Respect/Etiquette

Discussion in 'Mafia' started by Reneko, Nov 7, 2011.

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  1. Reneko

    Reneko Nonstop music.

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    I'm sure none of you will take this seriously at first glance, but there needs to be a standard of respect in the mafia channel. The common players and mods have a major disconnect with the newer and less experienced players on the channel. I'm not on 24/7, so my personal input is only from what I've seen since mafia has expanded its number of mods.
    -Mafia is meant for everyone, we all were noobs at some point. A mod's job is to inform, moderate, and provide for all players, not just a certain few.
    -So the theme sucks? Give examples/reasons why before you nuke. The people on the mafia forums know more than anyone about the themes, people won't be upset with an override if they actually know what the heck is going on and why the theme they waited several minutes to start was nuked within 2 seconds by a mod.
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    (23:44:56) ±Game: Garruk started a game with theme chess!
    (23:44:56) ±Game: Type /Join to enter the game!
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    (23:44:58) ±Game: Mavs>Heat has stopped the game!
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    (23:44:59) ±Game: Mavs>Heat started a game!
    (23:44:59) ±Game: Type /Join to enter the game!
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    (23:45:00) ±Game: Mavs>Heat joined the game!
    (23:45:00) ±Game: Garruk joined the game!
    (23:45:01) ±Game: Smunch joined the game!
    (23:45:01) ±Game: Eenie Meenie joined the game!
    (23:45:01) ±Game: ZekeHighwind joined the game!
    (23:45:02) ±Game: The Question joined the game!
    (23:45:02) ±Game: AzN pRiDe joined the game!
    (23:45:02) ±Game: xXBBXx joined the game!
    (23:45:03) ±Game: GenesisMafia joined the game!
    (23:45:04) ±Game: Puff-Sun joined the game!
    (23:45:05) ZekeHighwind: ruleless?
    (23:45:06) Smunch: Zeke, you could nightkill :O
    (23:45:06) xXBBXx: first win
    (23:45:08) Eenie Meenie: Mavs
    (23:45:09) ±Game: Zeromare joined the game!
    (23:45:10) ±Game: SpiderMonkey joined the game!
    (23:45:11) ZekeHighwind: I misdid.
    (23:45:12) Garruk: mavs...
    (23:45:14) Garruk: what the hell
    (23:45:15) Mavs>Heat: mavs.
    (23:45:16) ±Game: RiceKirby joined the game!
    (23:45:18) Eenie Meenie: I wanted to play chess
    (23:45:22) ZekeHighwind: I went to check to see if LPL could nightkill
    (23:45:24) Mavs>Heat: ChaosPenguin join
    (23:45:25) ±Game: ChaosPenguin joined the game!
    (23:45:28) ±Game: Reneko joined the game!

    (23:45:29) ±Game: Hurry up, you only have 30 seconds more to join!

    (23:45:34) ±Game: WaterBoat joined the game!
    (23:45:34) ±Game: Buzzkill81 joined the game!
    (23:45:36) RiceKirby: So liek, Chaos and Mavs win?
    (23:45:39) Reneko: give us an explanation, mavs
    (23:45:39) ZekeHighwind: Now... we die.
    (23:45:39) Mavs>Heat: nah
    (23:45:40) +ChaosPenguin: Lol
    (23:45:43) +ChaosPenguin: Why do we win?
    (23:45:46) WaterBoat: No rules?
    (23:45:48) RiceKirby: ./cmute Mavs>Heat
    (23:45:49) ZekeHighwind: Mavs and CP are boss
    (23:45:51) +ChaosPenguin: No rules
    (23:45:51) Mavs>Heat: cause we have many friends?
    (23:45:52) Smunch: No rules, hoorah
    (23:45:57) RiceKirby: Chaos, mute him and win
    (23:45:57) ±Game: Reneko unjoined the game!
    (23:45:59) +ChaosPenguin: lol[/HIDE]
    Be constructive, or I'll ask Oak or a mod to lock this.
     
  2. Tyrex

    Tyrex Godfather of Mafia

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    I assume Mavs stopped Chess because it is a reskin which was disabled (like all reskins). I can also assume why Chess was enabled again. whenever Lamperi updates the Mafia scripts, all disabled themes are enabled again and we have to disable each of them again (although I think lamp fixed that now).

    another thing about game starting:
    try to understand that there are people who don't like themes and want to play default, but that there are also people who find playing default again and again rather boring and want to play themes.
    so neither start lots of defaults in a row, nor lots of themes. and when there are multiple people who want to play a certain theme let them start it and don't insist on the theme that only you want.
     
  3. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    Now, is this mafia itself, or only maf admins

    Also, i expiremented by prentending i'm a newbie (laughterispro) and as long as the newbie doesn't continuously ask how to do things that are in /help or something, then the regulars will be acceptive of them. I try to help newbies by linking the guide, or buy showing them commands and stuff (it helps if they my maf partner or something)

    This.
     
  4. Marche Radiuju

    Marche Radiuju crush it casually

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    I'd be cool with the themestarting thing if all themes were as balanced as default, but that's not so. It's no fun, either winning or losing, when you're playing something competitively unbalanced. There are topics about this rebalancing, but it's obviously not happening if fruit still has all of the rottens knowing each other at start and castle is being disabled/renabled twice a week (was this fixed?).

    I agree that there should be a general list of etiquette listed somewhere. Maybe put it in with the current Mafia Guide?
     
  5. Mavs>Heat

    Mavs>Heat Member

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    ... I stopped it because ChaosPenguin said that we are doing a Default game with no rules after we did that themed game.

    You can ask Chaos about it if you dont believe me.
     
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  6. Professor Oak

    Professor Oak same Forum Administrator Server Owner Social Media Rep Forum Administrator Server Owner Social Media Rep

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    If that's the case...

    Why is ChaosPenguin not sticking to the default - theme - default order? Just curious.
     
  7. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    pwned!
    i pmd lamp and he said that rule is ggonne

    mavs i think just didnt know .-.
     
  8. Mavs>Heat

    Mavs>Heat Member

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    I think the only person that sticks to that order is probably Secundum. The rest of us really dont care, as long as it isnt ridiculous.
     
  9. GreenWater10

    GreenWater10 GreenWater10

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    To show some respect, I think that there should be a link to a short guide that introduces people to the game of mafia. The guide we have now is very long, and no one really has the time to read that. During the game, people should show respect and not say "haha, I won!" or stuff like that. Also, we could mute anyone showing disrespect to someone else for like 10 minutes.

    Also, on the Welcome Message, it says /join is one of the few commands they need to know. They should probably learn how to play before they actually play. The welcome message should probably include: "If you are new to the game, PM a player that is playing the game."
     
  10. yiran

    yiran Become a Magical Girl!

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    ...How exactly is 'Haha, I won!' disrespectful? It's merely a form of celebration. If it was 'Haha, I won, you suck' that is definitely debatable, but are people not allowed to be happy that they won a mafia game?

    Despite this, I agree with the opening post's aspect of 'Mods should explain their actions'. Mods should provide an explanation when asked as to why he/she did something, unless it is deliberate trolling, which it wasn't in the case provided by Reneko.
     
  11. ChaosPenguin

    ChaosPenguin Penguin Of Chaos

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    Cuz, like Hobbes said, Lamp disabled that, and until now no one has really complained about it, so I just let them start whatever they want, unless I feel it is being over played because some people spam the same theme over and over again.
     
  12. Lamperi

    Lamperi I see what you did there

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    Yes, I disabled theme-default-theme-default-thing. I'm trying to keep tuning mafia according to what yields less complaints, and now people got over the "themes are new" and are willing to play the normal mafia too. Thus there are less complaints with less constrains.
     
  13. Reneko

    Reneko Nonstop music.

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    Thanks for the input, everyone. I wasn't trying to single out Mavs or anyone in general, and I apologize if the nature of my argument offended anyone. There are a lot of instances where mods do great things and make major strides for the mafia community, and those happen when they get everyone involved. One such example is earlier today, when Tyrex had a bunch of us test out 'pushing' players who had already joined.
    Just try to keep us villys informed, too.
     
  14. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    Well said bro.

    Haha, push thing wiz lolz
     
  15. JaxenPenguin

    JaxenPenguin RIP RICEKIRBY + ROTOM

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    If you wanted something that shows the improper etiquette You should've copied the time me and Kogent MEGA Trolled a newb!
     
  16. Tyrex

    Tyrex Godfather of Mafia

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    or I could dig up another quote from you that I still have saved somewhere ;-)
     
  17. JaxenPenguin

    JaxenPenguin RIP RICEKIRBY + ROTOM

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    ly2 Tyrex
     
  18. Secundum

    Secundum Ice Master

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    That's because we have a small minority of theme spammers.
    I don't stick to it, but I think anything more than 2 of default or theme in a row is overdoing it.
     
  19. ChaosPenguin

    ChaosPenguin Penguin Of Chaos

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    I agree with this, I think all MAs should follow this.
     
  20. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    ehhhhh, idk...
     
  21. ChaosPenguin

    ChaosPenguin Penguin Of Chaos

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    Or I can add it to the MA guidelines and you will have to follow it, your call.
     
  22. Marche Radiuju

    Marche Radiuju crush it casually

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    There's no way to build the rules around how the players want to play; sometimes I want to play every theme game that starts, and sometimes I want to play default forever. A guideline of no more than 2 of each consecutively will be exactly like having it go default every other game, except it has the illusion of freedom with just one more choice of theme or game of default before you're forced to change.

    I admit, it's annoying when it goes through cycles like Sonic -> Ninja vs. Samurai -> Mythology -> Unicorn and back, but it's the people who start the games who have to play them. If you want a different theme, it's not that hard to wait and start it yourself.
     
  23. ChaosPenguin

    ChaosPenguin Penguin Of Chaos

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    Actually is is insanely difficult to start a theme you want when you have theme spammers, like oh say Deria, he use to get FF every theme because he was that fast, Lamperi actually had to make a script that said the creators of a theme couldn't start them.
     
  24. Weiss

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    The above holds true. It are usually the same people starting a theme each round and they make it into a contest to see who can start one up the fastest.
     
  25. Professor Oak

    Professor Oak same Forum Administrator Server Owner Social Media Rep Forum Administrator Server Owner Social Media Rep

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    If it happens again, we can always restrict starting mafia games to the mafia admins, much in the same way that Tournaments used to not be run unless started by a megauser.
     
  26. JaxenPenguin

    JaxenPenguin RIP RICEKIRBY + ROTOM

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    OH great Chaos, Mavs, Hobbes, Tyrex, Lame, and Sec starting themes. Do you strive to start chaos Prof. Oak?
     
  27. ChaosPenguin

    ChaosPenguin Penguin Of Chaos

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    Oak is all about the Chaos...haha. But at least Oak is on the same page as me with this.
     
  28. Professor Oak

    Professor Oak same Forum Administrator Server Owner Social Media Rep Forum Administrator Server Owner Social Media Rep

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    If you really want, we can go as far back as moderators+ starting mafia games only.

    Anyway, if we did make it so only mafia admins could start mafia games, they would be removed from their post for abusing their power and only running the same type of game repeatedly.
     
  29. Tyrex

    Tyrex Godfather of Mafia

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    fun fact: Mavs and me are already the most starting users!

    *** Most starting user ***
    1: Tyrexinator - 564 times (favourite: zelda, 76 times)
    2: Mavs>Heat - 535 times (favourite: mythology, 94 times)
    3: Suicune3000 - 391 times (favourite: elements, 57 times)
    4: ShinyPichu67 - 374 times (favourite: fruit, 58 times)
    5: TacosRevenge - 364 times (favourite: elements, 53 times)
    6: RageSuzaku - 360 times (favourite: ff, 47 times)
    7: Juggler - 336 times (favourite: fruit, 64 times)
    8: KarHo - 335 times (favourite: vepix, 15 times)
    9: Destroyman - 300 times (favourite: mythology, 29 times)
    10: Skill Master - 285 times (favourite: ff, 45 times)
     
  30. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    Bleeeeh i dont like this idea... i mean its not tournaments, its MUCH more user involved so i mean, users play the games so users start the game ._.

    idk lol it just doesn't seem...right....

    *insert best reason ever here*
     
  31. JaxenPenguin

    JaxenPenguin RIP RICEKIRBY + ROTOM

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    Like Hobbes said it's not tournaments. User keeping mafia alive, make the games, report bugs, have fun, and play the games. So therefore users deserve the right to start games.
     
  32. Thrighragon

    Thrighragon To Slay a Samurai

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    yea, mafia is meant to be fun and every1 has right to start a game. However i do agree with ending reskins. And yea, ragesuzaku was insulting for failranding and being a n00b... lol.
     
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