Mafia Theme Approval

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  1. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    Does this go in sim suggestions? not sure.

    This follows up my death of mafia post. Well, mafia is alive and fine, but i suggest a Theme Approval Group. Sorta like trivreview, but legit. (heh)

    Basically, i mean, go to mafia, type /themes
    There are, according to http://server.pokemon-online.eu/mafiathemes/stats at the time of postage, 113 THEMES!

    One Hundred, Thirteen Themes.
    SOME STATS:
    • 29% of all themes havn't been played over 10 Times
    • 339 people, of all time, have started a mafia game
    • 2 Themes are disabled (or is it 3) Just delete these
    • After looking at the coding of 5 randomly selected themes, 3 of them have errors
    • A Rough Estimation between me and ChaosPenguin decided that about 95% of the themes are never played today. What a waste.
    [/HIDE]

    If we get maybe like THREE peoples who can be in a channel (compare to TrivReview) and just be the official Theme Approvers, and for now, be able to decide on deleting shitty themes.

    BTW I Volunteer for this if its accepted xD

    Yeah, and you know how shanai has working admins? Mafia needs those too. Not just like channel admins (unless people think this is enough) but like legit admins who can ban, stop, kick, and stuff. i mean like Non-Official-PO mods.

    In conclusion, i have to say this: Of the 10 (again randomly selected) themes from the theme list
    6 I have never played, 2 i played today, and 2 ive played, but its been a while
     
  2. ChaosPenguin

    ChaosPenguin Penguin Of Chaos

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    I back this idea, and a team of 3 would work very well, but the number of people can be settled later. Maybe we can get Nix and Lamp to collaborate something to get this up and working!!!
     
  3. Mayorofpie

    Mayorofpie New Member

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    I back this idea as well, it is a good idea, and yea some themes r no good

    I am the MayorOfPie on the PO server ;), arch-nemesis of MayorOfCake.
     
  4. Tyrex

    Tyrex Godfather of Mafia

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    I volunteer to be one of the theme approvers.

    I have made my own 2 themes which are considered good by most people (not by everyone, I know) and I looked through lots of other scripts while making ThemeWar, so I know what works, what is interesting or totally broken or a plain reskin.

    and we really need to delete some themes because nobody can learn over 100 of them, lots of them are really stupid and some people still have to start them despite nobody really liking them (real estate, endless fun, mavs vs heat and more).

    also people who can enforce the rules on the server (slaying trollnames for example) would be nice to have, but that doesn't have to be the same people as the approvers.
     
  5. ChaosPenguin

    ChaosPenguin Penguin Of Chaos

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    The "approvers" would be picked by Lamperi and Myself, if this goes through.
     
  6. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    lol of course.
    But i volunteered too! but i hope they pick legit people who play a lot (no anju plox xD)
     
  7. Tyrex

    Tyrex Godfather of Mafia

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    oh yeah, forgot to say I play very often xD

    and ofc it's on Lamp (and Chaos?) to decide who these approvers will be, if Lamp likes the idea as well.
     
  8. Wander

    Wander Shitty Wizard

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    I agree with the OP.
    Let's face it, some themes suck (Fruits?)
     
  9. Lamperi

    Lamperi I see what you did there

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    Yeah sure, Chaos could work up 2-3 people from his timezone (including him if he wants), and I'll get some people from the other timezone. First thing would be to go through all themes, and find the broken ones, or too low quality themes to be removed. I'll get in touch with Chaos on the server.
     
  10. Tyrex

    Tyrex Godfather of Mafia

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    we also really need channel admins or something like that.

    [​IMG]

    in another game he was villy and trolled the game by claiming insp.
     
  11. GreenWater10

    GreenWater10 GreenWater10

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    For your information, I never claim inspector. Skarm's name is hard to type, and I remember tat from today, but with different times. Is mafia alive again? Cause don't work on something dead.
     
  12. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    Yes its alive. The games now have 10+ people ^^
    I'll Gladly work on it, if i can get in touch with Chaos, and gives da OK.
    Its good that my idea was accepted ^^
     
  13. ChaosPenguin

    ChaosPenguin Penguin Of Chaos

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    Well Lamp, one of my choices is indeed Hobbes1, but we will talk more on the server.
     
  14. Darkkis

    Darkkis The Superhero of Mafia

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    I would like to be theme approver.
     
  15. yiran

    yiran Become a Magical Girl!

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    3 people deciding what over 50 people play. Not a good idea.

    Sorry, I'm not the type that just tags along the crowd and agrees to everything.

    This could work if there were more "theme reviewers", but 3 is far too little.
     
  16. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    Well if you ask me, more then 3 is a BIT too chaotic and, if 3 w/ dif playing styles would come together, its enogh

    Ex of 6 ppl Chat:

    1: Ok lets review 40k
    2: yeah it sucks
    1: why?
    5: Its too defaultlike
    3: but i like it...its nice
    4: There are no bugs
    5: Its boring
    1: Well...
    6: Nuke it
    4: Um....idk
    3: Its fun! Screw you all
    [/HIDE]

    It would be way to chaotic, and litle gets
     
  17. ChaosPenguin

    ChaosPenguin Penguin Of Chaos

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    @Yiran, you clearly don't read very well, re-read this, then we will talk" Chaos could work up 2-3 people from his timezone (including him if he wants), and I'll get some people from the other timezone" so it is more then 3.
     
  18. yiran

    yiran Become a Magical Girl!

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    I saw that. But it's still likely the number will max at around 5 people. I'm just saying that a small group of people shouldn't decide what a lot of people play.

    TrivReview is very different from MafReview. In TrivReview, you just needed the skills to differentiate good and bad questions, and disputes were at the most rare. Mafia, however, is a lot different. People have different preferences. I personally dislike Castle, but if I'm the only one that hates it, and absolutely everyone else likes it, it shouldn't be removed. Mafia themes is all about opinions; there is no truly good or truly bad theme. (Unless everyone agrees on one...) Therefore, even 5 people representing the playerbase of mafia is a bad idea.
     
  19. Lamperi

    Lamperi I see what you did there

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    Hence why I said "broken" or "low quality" themes should be removed first. Their removal should have the lowest number of opposition.

    How do you define low quality? Maybe a bad reskin, too random or too unbalanced to be fun. There are also some simple themes which are in fact funny to many people despite maybe fitting into my description of low quality (Vepix, Spammer).
     
  20. yiran

    yiran Become a Magical Girl!

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    This is probably why we need some "MafReview Guidelines", if that makes any sense. "There are no bugs" is a totally stupid argument. "I like it...its nice" is also pretty much redundant. "Its boring" is also an opinion of one player. "it sucks" without any reasoning is just a statement. The only thing in there that should possibly affect the outcome is "defaultlike".

    Yeah, that would be a great start.

    I personally believe all complete reskins (i.e. only changing names) should be removed, and bad slight reskins (like with mayor change and priority change etc) should be removed. Good slight reskins could be kept, I suppose. Non-reskins should be kept, unless they are utterly terrible.

    But again, that's my opinion, and I have no right to decide for the whole mafia playerbase.

    I'll let you and Chaos sort it out for now.
     
  21. Tyrex

    Tyrex Godfather of Mafia

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    yiran, I also don't like Castle that much, but would never remove it.

    however, I would fix it. there are 2 "mayor" roles, Elder Dragon and Aged Scholar, who are both sided with Dragons. I guess the scripter intended the Scholar to be a Knight, but made a mistake.
    fixed it here: http://pastebin.com/nrWSLTb0

    and believe it or not, Mythology also has a small error. Hades' startup message tells the player he can't be found by hax roles, but in fact he doesn't have any ignore hax. and Basilisk is on a side that doesn't exist (when he wins it says "the undefined wins").
    fixed the theme here: http://pastebin.com/q776TALy

    Lamperi, would be cool if you updated these 2 themes.

    what is good and what is bad is certainly not easy to decide and the approver shouldn't judge only based on personal taste. the approvers should represent all mafia players, and not rule them.
    also instead of deleting themes they should only be disabled, so if a big group of mafia players wants a theme back it is easy to do.
     
  22. Lamperi

    Lamperi I see what you did there

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    updated
     
  23. yiran

    yiran Become a Magical Girl!

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    Just a small suggestion; I think a script to separate disabled themes and active themes in the /theme list would be helpful for players who want to find themes to play.

    I still hate 1v1 Mafia :P It's about typing fast and luck.
     
  24. Tyrex

    Tyrex Godfather of Mafia

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    /themeinfo lists all themes and says if they are disabled or not. imo /themes should lead to the same list instead of the huge mess that it shows atm.
     
  25. The First Hipster

    The First Hipster That's too mainstream.

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    Soz I see that there's a thread for theme editing. Well, I volunteer myself, BlueNinja (Lord of Awesome, Archangel of Maf, and current hater of lag), to be in this group.
    It seems like this is very much about the deletion of bad themes, but wouldn't it be better to have this focused on the rebalancing of themes that are messed up or fixing of ones that were written incorrectly? (*coughcough* airbender *cough*) Correct me if I interpreted the idea wrong...
     
  26. Viderizer

    Viderizer Admin/Developer

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    thought of updating the situation a bit >_>. So, Chaos and Lamperi have chosen 3 mafia reviewers now:

    - Viderizer
    - Hobbes1 (2) in server?
    - Tyrexinator
     
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