[ADV] Adv 200

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  1. zeroality

    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    This is Ruby/Sapphire mode and was scripted in, so let us know if you spot any mistakes. Many thanks to Lamperi for getting this done, and to all who contributed with organizing the information!

    Good article here: http://www.smogon.com/rs/articles/200_metagame

    Only Pokemon in Ruby/Sapphire can be used, and moves/items obtained outside of R/S are banned.

    Banned Items: Ganlon Berry, Salac Berry, Petaya Berry, Apricot Berry, Lansat Berry, Starf Berry

    Banned Moves: Link
     
  2. mael

    mael np: diary

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    thats great
    thank you and lamperi and everyone helping to get this done
     
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  3. Whereabouts Unknown

    Whereabouts Unknown Absolutely Stunning Forum Moderator Channel Leader Forum Moderator Channel Leader

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    Awesome! Always looking forward to exploring a new (old) tier!

    Thank you guys :3
     
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  4. yiran

    yiran Become a Magical Girl!

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    Thanks Zero, Lamperi, and Dingo :3
     
  5. MixTar

    MixTar New Member

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    Thanks for all who helped making that tier :)
     
  6. -Manaphy--

    -Manaphy-- Overconsumption

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    200 Lantern + Thunder Wave

    (12:21:57) ±Snorlax: Pokemon Lanturn is not allowed to have move Thunder Wave in advance 200!

    However, Lantern learns Thunder Wave through level up in R/S

    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/171.shtml
     
  7. Crystal Moogle

    Crystal Moogle Ayaya~ Administrator Administrator

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    Netbattles' Ru/Sa Tier also allows it as well, so fixing.
     
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  8. .WMV4

    .WMV4 pure evulz!!!!!

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    Wow, seems very interesting. I look forward to having battles in Adv 200 (Hopefully its ladder is more alive than the other Adv tiers) Thanks to all who made this tier possible!
     
  9. zeroality

    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    Wouldn't count on it.

    Just moved that post about Lanturn + Twave from another thread, if anybody's wondering where that came from.
     
  10. sceptileraikou

    sceptileraikou Monster Hunter

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    Good, this is very awesome, thanks guys!
     
  11. Django

    Django UNCHAINED

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    Yay its done. Thanks Lamperi and Zero and everyone else. Can't wait to play it now
     
  12. Marche Radiuju

    Marche Radiuju crush it casually

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    Also of note: Grumpig can learn Substitute. Don't remember whether it's by breeding or not, but I know that it is allowed, even if it says it's not.

    Definitely my favourite OU tier. Zero Zapdos.
     
  13. zeroality

    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    Forgive me if I don't take your word for it, but I'd like verifiable sources before changing anything.

    If you're using NetBattle or Serebii to verify then I want additional sources. Those have been known to be inaccurate - especially Serebii.
     
  14. yiran

    yiran Become a Magical Girl!

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    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    I didn't know LegendaryPokemon had such a detailed Pokedex. I used them for a resource all the time in Gen 3, they're pretty good.

    Anyway, according to their page Spoink can get Subsitute by breeding with several RS 200 Pokemon so I'll see about getting it unbanned.

    http://www.legendarypokemon.net/rs/pokedex/Spoink/breeding

    I had to confirm it gets it by breeding within RS 200.
     
  16. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    Personally I prefer 200 to regular ADV. The Slaking+Magneton combo is so broken.
     
  17. M Dragon

    M Dragon Active Member

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    Not really, especially when protect is that popular
     
  18. zeroality

    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    I never saw Slaking much in 200. Substitute/Protect really screws him over.
     
  19. Marche Radiuju

    Marche Radiuju crush it casually

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    I really like Gyarados. Without Zapdos or the wildly popular Rock Slide it can carve through unprepared teams.
     
  20. mael

    mael np: diary

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    i do like elemence and starmie, crobat is a nice gimmick to beat alakazam [broken]
    anything that beats it?
     
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    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    Anything that beats Alakazam you mean?

    Well Regice does take hits pretty well. I had a specially defensive Regice survive +3 Fire Punch from Alakazam to win me the match (adv ou, not 200).
     
  22. Xdevo

    Xdevo Phrasing Super Moderator Tour Director Super Moderator Tour Director

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    Alakazam can set-up on certain Regice with Calm Mind depending on the moveset.
     
  23. zeroality

    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    Psych Up Regice is a good counter against some stat-uppers.

    Alakazam can be tough to beat, a lot of the counters listed on the Smogon analysis aren't even in 200 play.

    I used to run Calm Mind Dusclops in 200, it did pretty well if I remember.

    I'll go ahead and unsticky this, not really needed as a sticky anymore.
     
  24. Marche Radiuju

    Marche Radiuju crush it casually

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    I kind of wasn't kidding about the Grumpig thing. If Grumpig is given Substitute it will be able to function better as a wall to all non-HP Dark Alakazam. Some proof of Grumpig's Substitute learnage here:

    http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/grumpig

    It says that it learns it by egg in RS, and I could check on my cart if you really needed me to. Not that I could prove I did, but it's possible anyway.

    Isn't Psych Up Regice illegal in 200? I didn't check, but since most things learn Psych Up by tutor I imagine it isn't allowed. For beating Alakazam I just use my Toxic Regice with Earthquake (lol), or even just revenge with Flygon's Quick Attack for 50%.

    Maybe it's just me, but Dusclops is the most annoying pokemon in this meta ever. Assuming you trap anything besides Shadow Ball Trollbat, you will stall it out with Rest/Will-o-Wisp/Mean Look/Night Shade. It gets a kill every time, unless it's tried to trap like Alakazam I guess.
     
  25. mael

    mael np: diary

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    if you have to use an earthquake regice to beat something than it kinda IS broken also I've seen this dusclops and its SRSLY annoying, I do hate it, but well alakazam is way worse
     
  26. zeroality

    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    Confirmed. According to legendarypokemon, Spoink can breed with Kecleon who learns Substitute by level-up.

    LP has a good Gen III Pokedex and lists breeding chains for all Pokemon egg moves, so it's a great resource to double check for Adv 200 move legality.

    Spoink/Grumpig can now use Substitute in Adv 200.

    As for Psych Up Regice, you're right - it is illegal. My bad.
     
  27. Marche Radiuju

    Marche Radiuju crush it casually

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    Well, I don't HAVE to use it. I just chose to, because I don't think that it's necessary to have the OHKO on Gyarados or Starmie with Thunderbolt. Alakazam is strong, yes. But there are a decent few things that can survive an unboosted hit from him and OHKO back (like Metagross), or even a few that wall him. I appreciate a tier where Alakazam is actually a threat, with things like Blissey and Tyranitar out of the way.