[BW2] Ubers Question & Answer Thread

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Ubers' started by Roy Mustang, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Roy Mustang

    Roy Mustang HOMOSEXUAL UNICORN

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    If you have a question regarding the Ubers metagame, ask it here. Please no trolling, flaming, spamming, or anything of the sort.

    For any questions regarding sets, try reading this thread first.
     
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  2. fidgety

    fidgety Active Member

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    wow i can't believe we didn't have this already (nor that none seemed to notice/care) this will be useful for new players.
     
  3. T-Dogg

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    Is this not similar to this thread, only in less detail?

    Also, inb4 nobody gives a damn about ubers.
     
  4. fidgety

    fidgety Active Member

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    that is an old DW ubers threat list (admittedly in ubers it is rare to see something become particularly outdated especially considering the nature of DW) this is a generic Q+A thread, really nothing in common outside of being related to the ubers tier.
     
  5. Roy Mustang

    Roy Mustang HOMOSEXUAL UNICORN

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    Yeah this is a Q&A thread, but im adding a few common sets so people aren't like "WHAT DO I RUN ON MY DARKRAI?".
     
  6. fidgety

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    i'll go through these later and alter them so they match the "absolute standard" (aka what is most used according to the usage stats), Eg. E-speed killer arceus according to usage stats has almost 60% using the standard 132/252/124 adamant spread so i'ld be using that spread as opposed to the extra bulky one you have now.

    when i find some time i'll go through these try to align the sets with the "standard" and PM you the results (the main reason i'm emphasizing the "absolute standard" is this way newcomers to the ubers tier have what is generally the "most effective" sets as opposed to what one user thinks is the best).
     
  7. -Manaphy--

    -Manaphy-- Overconsumption

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    Those can be subjective, as the user stats your going through to find these sets aren't even ranked. Some of the most used sets I've seen on there are actually quite worse..
     
  8. -jubton-

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    how viable is stall in ubers, just seems kinda hard. with a few walls and a alot of sweepers.
    imo there are only like 7ish actual walls
    lugia,chansey,blissey, giritini/o acreaus steel ferrothorn. thats all i could think of
     
  9. T-Dogg

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    Stall is 100% viable in Ubers. In fact, during my time in Gen 5 Ubers, I've seen more successful stall teams than offensive teams. Stall teams do not always need 6 walls (in fact, it's always nice to have a decent offensive presence). In addition to your list of 'walls', almost any form of Arceus can act as a wall (it certaintly has the stats and movepool for it). Dialga makes an amazing support Pokemon. Groudon can take physical hits nicely with the right EV spread. A variety of OU walls can perform very well in Ubers (in addition to Ferrothorn you have Skarmory, Bronzong, even Cresselia). I'm sure I've missed some out.

    As an example:
    http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthread.php?3830-The-Power-behind-Uber-Stall&prefixid=black_white
    Yes, it is for DW and possibly a little outdated, but it should give you a good introduction to Uber stall.
     
  10. "DJ Shadow"

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    Well I'll ask the opposite. How viable is full on offense? I usually stick to stall, and I was wondering. Generally you'd want kyogre + manaphy, as manaphy is the best stallbreaker in the game. Hands down.
     
  11. twofivefive

    twofivefive don't call it a comeback

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    I'm currently running a near-fully choiced team, and it works fairly well. I got #25 on the DW Ubers ladder with it, and would be much higher up if the RNG didn't hate me. Basically, you invest fully on attacking stats and run a ChoiceBand/Specs. The rest of the EV's should be going into Defense, because the playstyle is like this:
    First Turn: hit them, they take a huge amount of damage.
    Second Turn: Switch to something to tank the hit that would be SE against the pokemon you're switching out.
    Third Turn: Go back to first turn.

    These battles end fairly quickly, because you're usually KO'ing something every 2 turns, sometimes every turn if they don't have a good switch.
     
  12. Wander

    Wander Shitty Wizard

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    Lots of Uber Pokes can stallbreak, namely Giratina O

    I've been using an offensive team for a while now, it got me pretty high on the ladder, like number 15 was it?
    Make sure to cover weaknesses with things like Ferrothorn as your main defensive core, since full on offense might not do very well in the current metagame. In Ubers it'll be harder to set up, thing like Arceus or Kyogre will manage usualy though, but it's always good to have raw power, like Deoxys or Mewtwo. Lugia, Ferrothorn, Blissey etc can be a major pain, forcing switches and forcing you to take hazard damage, so having a reliable breaker is also important.

    Also, Icydude. That's not a very good sum up when you're facing someone good, or generaly know how to deal with offensive teams.
     
  13. "DJ Shadow"

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    Yeah Gira-O is underrated. Him combined with any normal type stops Shadow force E-killer arceus cold. Fun fact.
     
  14. -jubton-

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    Lol looks we could learn from each other. may if ya want pm if you are interested. lol im at 697 after playing two weeks of competive battling. heres my question: what yall think of whimscott in ubers. not sure if prankster is a dw ability or not
     
  15. Roy Mustang

    Roy Mustang HOMOSEXUAL UNICORN

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    Whimsicott can have prankster, but honestly it fails hard in ubers. It gets ohko'd by like everything and it can't do shit anyways.
     
  16. T-Dogg

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    I dispute that. Sub-seeding has always been an annoying strategy to work around, and Whimsicott is almost perfect for it (the only thing it's missing is a decent sleep inducing move). The key is to bring it in on something that's going to be forced out (examples: Blissey [will be Taunted], Kyogre choiced locked into Thunder etc).
     
  17. twofivefive

    twofivefive don't call it a comeback

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    Even if Kyogre is locked into Thunder, it can still maim Whimsicott if you're running Specs (which is actually incredibly useful as an early game wallbreaker. It 2HKO's Chansey with a Special Move, how can you not love that)
     
  18. T-Dogg

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    252+ Choice Specs Kyogre Thunder vs 252/0 Whimsicott = 46.91% - 55.25%

    Sure, after Stealth Rocks it's a 2hko. Meanwhile, Whimsicott gets to Leech Seed and continue to sub until Kyogre dies. The worst thing that could happen is paralysis that first turn, but thanks to Prankster that's less of an issue.
     
  19. Mattstah

    Mattstah Emotional Sickness

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    Contrary to what a bunch of people believe, a Surf from Kyogre does more damage than Ice Beam to Ferrothorn (and maybe other Pokemon that 2x resist Surf), provided rain is there.
     
  20. -jubton-

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    glad there is a Q&A thread cause i got alot of questions lol.
    so here another one, what is considered standered ev spread for acreus extreme killer
     
  21. fice1010

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    I believe it's 132 HP/ 252 Atk/ 124 Speed with Swords Dance, Extremespeed, and some combination of these moves (Earthquake, Shadow Claw/Shadow Force, Brick Break, Recover). The item is usually Silk Scarf or Life Orb.
     
  22. twofivefive

    twofivefive don't call it a comeback

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    Whimsicott cannot switch in. Giratina can be an easier target, due to higher HP and softer offensive stats (though it can randomly Roar you away).
     
  23. -jubton-

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    what do yall think of this groudon
    evs: 200 hp/200atk/106def
    impish nature
    -twave
    -swords dance
    -stone edge

    -earthquake

    this groudon in theory should survive some annoying threats in ubers
    THREATS:

    a +6 extreme speed for standered acreus bar life orb



    a sun boosted life orbed sacarded fire from ho-oh
    with a 252attack/252 speed

    i need help with damage caculations some i wont feel n00bish
     
  24. Roy Mustang

    Roy Mustang HOMOSEXUAL UNICORN

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    252Atk +6 Multitype Arceus (+Atk) ExtremeSpeed vs 200HP/200Def Groudon (+Def): 81% - 95% (318 - 375 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252Atk Life Orb +6 Multitype Arceus (+Atk) ExtremeSpeed vs 200HP/200Def Groudon (+Def): 105% - 124% (412 - 487 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
    Even 252Atk Life Orb +6 Multitype Arceus (+Atk) ExtremeSpeed vs 252HP/252Def Groudon (+Def): 98% - 116% (399 - 471 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 93% chance to OHKO.
    Trying to counter arceus at +6 is just pointless. I don't even see the point behind your set either, are you trying to sweep or be a wall? You should just run a bulky phazing set with SR or a rp/sd or double dance set on groudon, don't try to run a bulky sweeper like that on groudon, it doesn't work well. Idk about ho-oh since idk how to do sun on my calc.
     
  25. Yuki Nagato

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    252Atk Life Orb Pressure Ho-oh (+Atk) Sacred Fire vs 200HP/200Def Groudon (+Def) (In Sun): 52.4% - 62.1% (205 - 243 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
     
  26. T-Dogg

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    Indeed. I was assuming you bring it in after something else dies, since it's frail enough to die to anything. Alternatively you could just invest in some more special bulk if you want to survive certain hits like that. It's not like you actually need to invest in speed or anything.
     
  27. -jubton-

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    hey need dome help for a late game sweeper
    heres my team so far
    specs kyorge chose banded groudon ferrothorn scarfed palkia and jirachi
    i was thing extreme killer acreus thoughts?
     
  28. Roy Mustang

    Roy Mustang HOMOSEXUAL UNICORN

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    How about you test to see what works on your team/post an rmt if you need to, in the future. It's easier that way. Anyways, cb groudon isn't the best set and im not too fond of Jirachi in ubers. I don't see why extreme killer arceus wouldn't work on your team, you have ogre and palkia to help with arceus's counters/checks.
     
  29. -jubton-

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    have another question sorry. is there something that reseist fighting ice and dragon
     
  30. fidgety

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    no there is no Steel/Ghost Type (there is no other possible way since Steel the only type that Resists Dragon [it also resist ice] is weak to Fighting)
     
  31. T-Dogg

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    The closest I can think of is Jirachi or Bronzong (both resist Ice and Dragon, neutral to Fighting).
     
  32. -jubton-

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    i sucked up the double fighting weakness and put mewtwo to deal with those threats and put extreme killer arceus on the team to deal with quicker stuff. gotta test the team tommorow and see that goes..
     
  33. -jubton-

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    got a random question im using skarmory on my team and it knows roost, the team builder says it learns roost through dream world.. so would that make my team wifi or dw
     
  34. twofivefive

    twofivefive don't call it a comeback

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    Wifi.

    Is Zapdos legal in Wifi Ubers tier? Just checking.
     
  35. fidgety

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    first a question to you: why the heck are you using Broken Armor on Skarm, honsetly it Depends on if the DW Ability released.

    @Icey why wouldn't it there are no Pokemon bans in Ubers.
     
  36. -jubton-

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    @ fidgety: blleh im not. in the team builder where it say hoow moves are learned it say roost is learned though the dream world and i was asking if that made skarmy a wifi or dw poke
     
  37. Roy Mustang

    Roy Mustang HOMOSEXUAL UNICORN

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    Learning something through Dream World or having a Dream World ability does not make a pokemon exclusive to Dream World as long as you can legitimately get said move/ability/pokemon in the Black and White games. Skarmory can have roost legally.
     
  38. -jubton-

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    oh okay thanks god i sound silly with all my questions
     
  39. fidgety

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    i assumed as Skarm gets it for the other 2 abilties from Gen 4 TM 51.
     
  40. twofivefive

    twofivefive don't call it a comeback

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    I meant is it released yet?