[BW2] Tornadus

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  1. Man-Bear-Pig

    Man-Bear-Pig Member

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    #641 Tornadus

    Stats:
    HP:
    79
    Atk: 115
    Def: 70
    SAtk: 125
    SDef: 80
    Spe: 111

    Abilities:
    Prankster: Raises non-damaging moves' priority by one stage
    Defiant: Raises Attack two stages upon having any stat lowered.

    Level-Up Moves:
    - Uproar
    - Astonish
    - Gust
    7: Swagger
    13: Bite
    19: Revenge
    25: Air Cutter
    31: Extrasensory
    37: Agility
    43: Air Slash
    49: Crunch
    55: Tailwind
    61: Rain Dance
    67: Hurricane
    73: Dark Pulse
    79: Hammer Arm
    85: Thrash

    TM / HM Moves:
    TM06: Toxic
    TM08: Bulk Up
    TM10: Hidden Power
    TM12: Taunt
    TM15: Hyper Beam
    TM17: Protect
    TM18: Rain Dance
    TM21: Frustration
    TM23: Smack Down
    TM27: Return
    TM29: Psychic
    TM31: Brick Break
    TM32: Double Team
    TM34: Sludge Wave
    TM36: Sludge Bomb
    TM40: Aerial Ace
    TM41: Torment
    TM42: Facade
    TM44: Rest
    TM45: Attract
    TM46: Thief
    TM48: Round
    TM52: Focus Blast
    TM56: Fling
    TM58: Sky Drop
    TM59: Incinerate
    TM62: Acrobatics
    TM63: Embargo
    TM66: Payback
    TM68: Giga Impact
    TM86: Grass Knot
    TM87: Swagger
    TM89: U-Turn
    TM90: Substitute
    TM94: Rock Smash
    HM02: Fly
    HM04: Strength

    Overview:
    Tornadus might seem like a strange choice for the Ubers environment, but it has many advantages that make it a great choice for your Ubers team. First, Tornadus's STAB Hurricane recieves great neutral coverage in the Ubers tier, as the only Ubers that resist it are Zekrom, Dialga, and Rock, Steel, and Electric Arceus. Another advantage that Tornadus has over other Ubers is priority Tailwind. Many Ubers that hover at or around 90 Base Speed will appreciate their speed doubled so that they can pummel through teams. Tornadus also has an exceptional base 111 Speed.

    Sets:

    Mixed Tailwind Lead
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    Tornadus (M) @ Life Orb / Focus Sash
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 32 Atk / 224 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Tailwind
    - Taunt
    - Hurricane
    - Hammer Arm / U-Turn

    Tornadus excells most in the lead position. Priority Taunt stops entry hazards, as well Dark Voids from Darkrai. Hurricane is Tornadus's STAB move, and, with Kyogre being so common, it has a great chance of never missing. Tailwind, uh, sets up Tailwind. Hammer Arm is a secondary attack, with the above EV Spread it 2HKOs Chansey and Ferrothorn. However, U-Turn can be used for scouting and retreating after Tailwind has been used.

    More sets coming soon.

    Teammates:
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    Not only does Kyogre provide infinite rain to ensure that Hurricane never misses, but Tornadus can double Kyogre's average speed with Tailwind so that it can cause mayhem with Water Spout. Kyogre resists Tornadus's Ice weakness and Tornadus resists Kyogre's Grass weakness, however, both are weak to Electric moves, so packing many Electric resists is smart.

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    Tornadus and Dialga have excellent synergy, plus, Tornadus can double Dialga's speed so it can finally sweep teams with its massive 150 SpA.

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    Palkia is a great choice for a Tailwind receiver. Palkia is commonly held back by its average speed, forcing most Palkias to run a Choice Scarf. However, with a Scarf Palkia is limited to only one move. This issue is solved with Tailwind, allowing Palkia to defeat the pokemon that normally give it the blues, such as Latias and Garchomp, giving it the opportunity to sweep teams. Credit to jjfish94 for mentioning him.

    More teammates coming soon.
    So yeah, discuss Tornadus here.
     
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  2. jjfish94

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    I love Tornadus. In the rain it's an absolute beast. STAB Hurricane is sure to hurt anything neutral to it in ubers, aside from the obvious Chansey/Blissey.

    I think Palkia would be a great choice to be on the receiving end of a Tailwind. Without a scarf, Palkia is easily revenged by several uber pokemon, including lati@s and garchomp. With a scarf however, Palkia becomes a wrecking machine, revenge killing and utterly destroying slower pokemon. However this comes at the cost of being locked into one move. It is worth noting that scarf palkia is actually the most common set currently being used, so obviously speed is very important. Tailwind allows palkia to outrun all of his threats, as well as even faster pokemon. With Tailwind in effect, Palkia easily outruns every pokemon in the game that is not holding a scarf, as well as every pokemon holding a scarf that isn't named deoxys (A/S), but who uses scarf deoxys anyway? This means that some ev's can be taken out of speed with little fear of missing out on some pokemon. These ev's can either be moved to HP to boost survivability, to attack to increase the power of a mixed set. A possible set may look like:

    Palkia @ Lustrous Orb
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 16 Atk / 252 SAtk / 240 Spd
    Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
    - Surf
    - Spacial Rend
    - Outrage
    - Thunder

    240 speed ev's with a neutral nature allows Palkia to outrun everything up to and including positive natured scarfed base 130's. A hasty nature can be used with some of the speed ev's moved to attack if you prefer. This means you will still reach the same speed and will have more power behind outrage, however the difference in power in the special attacks is noticeable. I like to use Lustrous Orb on this set because although it doesn't give the same amount of power as Life Orb, it still boosts 3/4 of Palkia's moves by 20% as well as coming with the added bonus of no recoil and possibly bluffing a choice set.

    Other abusers of Tailwind include all uber base 90's (there are a lot of them, and outspeeding the rest can often be a pain), as well as Rayquaza and Garchomp, who all greatly appreciate outspeeding their most common checks.
     
  3. Man-Bear-Pig

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    Thank you for contributing. I added Palkia to the list of teammates.
     
  4. Mattstah

    Mattstah Emotional Sickness

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    Palkia has average speed? 100 isn't too shabby, with the plethora of base 90s (Dialga, Reshiram, Zekrom, Groudon, Kyogre, Giratina[-O], Ho-Oh), and Rayquaza (base 95).

    Just about any Pokemon can abuse Tailwind, the problem is the short duration. You basically have three turns to do something; the first turn is to switch out. I think Prankster is the main attraction. Priority Taunt and Thunder Wave is nice.
     
  5. Man-Bear-Pig

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    Tailwind is upgraded from 3 turns to 4 turns this generation, making it much more usable. But yes, Prankster is one of the only reasons to use Tornadus in Ubers (the other being 100% accurate STAB Hurricane). I'll update this thread in a little bit.
     
  6. Mattstah

    Mattstah Emotional Sickness

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    I'm aware of the change, for the record.

    Also, maybe you should list advantages Tornadus has over Thundurus?
     
  7. jjfish94

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    As far as I know, Tornadus has two key advantages over Thundurus, being access to Tailwind and hurricane. These few choices however, are definitely worth it in the uber environment.
     
  8. Man-Bear-Pig

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    Okay, sorry for any misunderstanding. The main advantages that Tornadus has over Thundurus are Tailwind and Hurricane. Plus, Tornadus's Hurricane gets much better neutral coverage in Ubers than Thundurus's Thunder.
     
  9. jjfish94

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    STAB hurricane has brilliant neutral coverage, especially in the ubers tier. The only types that aren't hit at least neutrally by flying are steel, rock and electric. Very few steel types in ubers actually resist flying, due to secondary typing (bug on scizor, grass on Ferrothorn). Off the top of my head, the only common uber steels that are resistant to flying would be dialga and arceus steel. There is really only one electric type used in ubers: zekrom. As for rock, I don't really think rock turns up all too often in ubers (even arceus rock isn't used that much). As for the mentioned pokemon that can take hurricanes without too much trouble, tornados can run focus blast to hit all of them super effectively of neutrally, however imo tornados is much better off paralyising the threat and running for it's life, or simply just gtfo immediately.
     
  10. PwnageBureau

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    THE BEST SET FOR TORNADUS IN UBERS ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    SUBSTITUTE
    FOUL PLAY
    SWAGGER
    HURRICANE

    252 SPEED/252 SPECIAL/LEFTOVERS
    LEFTOVERS AS ITEM
     
  11. Kumiho

    Kumiho Silhouettes

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    That set is terrible. Plus, I wouldn't even use Tornadus in Ubers. I'm sure it might possibly be viable, but definitely not with that set. :l