[HGSS OU] Confuse (in the real life) the enemy, and attack!

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  1. Gilad

    Gilad ¯\(°_°)/¯

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    Import it into Pokemon online -

    [Secret]Porygon-Z @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Download
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Icy Wind
    - Tri Attack
    - Hidden Power [Ground]
    - Magic Coat

    Vaporeon (M) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Signal Beam
    - Hidden Power [Electric]

    Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stone Edge
    - Crunch
    - Pursuit
    - Earthquake

    Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Taunt
    - Roost
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock

    Dusknoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Pain Split
    - Substitute
    - Focus Punch

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Spd / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Toxic
    - Flamethrower[/Secret]

    [​IMG] @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Download
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Icy Wind
    - Tri Attack
    - Hidden Power [Ground]
    - Magic Coat

    When you first look at this, you probably say to yourself - WTF?!, and I can understand why.
    Porygon-Z's ability is download, which 95% of the time, gives you Sp. attack boost.
    His icy wind 1HKO Gliscor, and bring aerodactyl to his sash and lower his speed, so he won't touch Porygon-Z at all, He would only used Taunt or SR.

    Hidden power Ground 1HKO Heatran (without shuca, and sometimes it also kill it when it got shuca ), it 2HKO jirachi and metagross, it 1HKO Ttar.

    Magic Coat put to sleep Roserade, smeargle, etc, and prhax togekiss back.

    and to counter swampert, roserade, smeragle, togekiss, etc with 2 hits MAX.

    And oh - if i fear Trick is coming, i go into to return them the scarf, and then pursuit them to easy kill.


    [​IMG] @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Signal Beam
    - Hidden Power [Electric]

    My signature pokemon in the past was Vaporeon. Vaporeon is bulky water with 110 base special attack, with 31 IVs, 252 EVs, modest and specs, it reach to 525 base special attack, and with STAB surf (143 base attack) it can really screw teams.
    It may confuse many people, cause nobody afraid of Vaporeon.
    This pokemon Also can take hits really well and counter the pokemon.

    [​IMG] @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stone Edge
    - Crunch
    - Pursuit
    - Earthquake

    I needed revenge killer, i used Scizor, but BP didn't do alot to Starmie and gyarados, so i used Scarfed Ttar, that nobody expect to see.
    If I switch into Ttar to take the scarf, I'm using Pursuit for easy kill.

    [​IMG] @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Taunt
    - Roost
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock

    With sandstorm up, gliscor can be great wall, set up SR and taunt pokemons, so they won't set up.
    When his job finished, i send him as a death father.

    [​IMG] @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Pain Split
    - Substitute
    - Focus Punch

    Dusknoir works really well with blissey, so i chose them toghter.
    he must take physical hits, so i gave him WOW.
    Substitute helps a bit to predict the enemy next move.
    If i already got sub, i can use Focus Punch, to kill Dark type, that got Supper effective hits against me.
    If I use sub, i lose health, so i must recover it somehow. Pain split is great choice cause it also hurts the enemy.

    [​IMG]@ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Spd / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Toxic
    - Flamethrower

    With the combination of Dusknoir and blissey, i can harm the enemy team alot.
    protect helps in 2 diffrent ways - to get the wish in the air, and toxic stall the enemy.
    Scizor likes to come in while blissey around, so i chose Flamethrower, to counter them (and of course switch into dusknoir to take the hit and WOW them.)

    I'd like if you'll give me advices how to improve my team. Thanks :D
     
  2. SkipShot

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    Just a quick note, Scarf Tyranitar is pretty common in OU nowadays, so it can be expected by a lot of players.

    Vaporeon already has a high HP, so I would move all of its HP EVs into Defense and Speed. Try the standard 188 Def/ 252 Spa/ 68 Spe spread.

    I'll come back if I spot anything else, but I do see a SubLO PainSplit Gengar weak.
     
  3. coyotte508

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    Anyway, nice seeing a team that's quite original!

    You're saying that HP Ground OHKOes tyranitar, I wouldn't be so sure, the sp.def boost by sandstorm negates the effect of download, and I don't think tyranitar would be koed by a 140 base power special attack from Porygon.
     
  4. Gilad

    Gilad ¯\(°_°)/¯

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    Thanks!

    I Know that rock type got sp. def boost in the sandstorm, HP ground i still kill it, because i don't have any sp. def EVs.

    Thanks for giving me advice, both of you! :)
     
  5. SkipShot

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    No problem! One thing though- coyote is right on Tyranitar, I ran some damage calculations:

    Your Porygon-Z moveset with a +1 Hidden Power Ground vs. the standard 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP Scarftar does 76% - 89.5%.

    You have a chance to KO with Stealth Rock up, but that's a pretty slim chance, I'm estimating around 15% chance to OHKO with SR up.
     
  6. Erebos

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    you are missing 4 ev's on vappy.

    other than that, the team is very solid, and very original.
     
  7. Ginku

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    I´m not sure if this is still true, after the removal of latias, who was the main reason why it used (i think, im playing competeively since ~2 months)

    And I like your team, it´s really original, something seen rarely.
     
  8. Gilad

    Gilad ¯\(°_°)/¯

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    Thanks everybody!

    i got few more original teams, i'll post them during this month..

    Vappy will get + 4 EVs in speed. Thanks

    Skipshot - Mabey thier nature was -Sp. attack, cause i defeat all of them with one hit.

    And G.I.R (Which is chalk in hebrew), you were right. :)

    Thanks again, all of you :D
     
  9. Hodou Masaka

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    Latias wasn't the only reason, to be sure. A lot of Tyranitar's checks can still be killed by most of its attacks, since many of the Pokemon that can kill it are rather frail (Infernape and Gengar come to mind.) I'd say the number has probably gone down, but they're far from uncommon still.
     
  10. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    I just looked at the team and...

    PUT DEF EVS TO BLISSEY!

    Remove all the HP evs, put them in defense instead :) You'll see, blissey will resist physical attacks a lot better after!
     
  11. Cthulhu

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    I'm assuming he has HP and SpDef maxed on Bliss because HP and Def are maxed on Dusknoir. Creating a sponge/wall combo.
     
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    Oh wow. How to tell when Oak has only glanced at the post.

    Seriously, you should always run 252 Defense EVs on Blissey. It more than doubles Blissey's ability to take Physical attacks, which helps her to take weaker Physical attacks. It'll help her to be a much better defensive Pokemon.

    @ Cthulhu, read the rest of this post. Blissey already has infinite HP and Special Defense (slightly inaccurate statement), and the Defense EVs will help a lot more than running 252 HP / 252 SDef.
     
  13. Gilad

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    I don't like to risk a crit with physical attack on blissey, so i just switch out, into dusknoir, that the reason that dusk got max hp\def.

    thanks again :)
     
  14. Hodou Masaka

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    Nonono, that's not enough though Gilad. There are three problems with that:

    1) The number of Blissey counters spikes tenfold without def EVs, as suddenly any wall with Earthquake, unboosted Snorlax, the aforementioned Dusknoir, and many others can kill her.
    2) Surprise Mixed Attacker! Any special attacker with even a weak physical attack will be GG for you. This is mostly significant when switching into Pokemon that can run physical sets next to their special sets. Your walling ability will be greatly reduced.
    3) Having to switch into Dusknoir each time will wear Dusknoir down, as even with Pain Split he needs to keep in decent health to be useful. Also, it makes prediction easier for the enemy.
     
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