Streetwalker It's only been a week since my last #1 team in WiFi (http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthread.php?6003-Rank-1-Wi-Fi-Rita-Repulsa), but this team did so well that I'm already #1 again on Dream World. I've been using the name 'Streetwalker', a reference to a song from the amazing Michael Jackson. I don't have much else to say about the team, just that it works wonders and I love using it. I love Mienshao and I'm glad he could be fit into the team. Besides that, Thundurus is just a god and using him in my team has been a pleasure. I hope you will think so too, if you decide to use this team. With some practice, I'm sure you can make the most out of it and do just as well as me! Team Building Process I wanted a team with Nasty Plot Thundurus, so that's the first Pokemon I started with. Thundurus can't be stopped by many things when it has a Nasty Plot under it's belt. I think it's one of the best special attackers in the game and I think it's great using it. So, Pokemon one is the God of Thunder, Thundurus. Next up, I like my teams to have a good defensive core, preferably one that can support the Pokemon I want to sweep with. Again, I choose for Chansey as my special wall, just because it's so versatile and can stop so many things. Besides Chansey, I chose Forretress and Gyarados. My team dislikes Stealth Rock and other hazards alot, so I need a spinner. I don't want to lose a slot to a seperate spinner, so I picked Forretress who can set up hazards and remove them at the same time. He also gives me some nice resistances with his typing. Gyarados was chosen to phaze opponents and because of his typing and ability. After that, i wanted something with priority, in Dream World that choice is easy. Breloom is my main man for that task and it gives a decent rock and electric resistance as well. Breloom's Mach Punch does incredible amounts to most Pokemon, especially with a Choice Band. And finally, I needed a lead for my team, that could also weaken Breloom's counters. Since Gliscor is one of those annoying counters (even though still 2HKO'd and can even be OHKO'd with Bullet Seed!) I chose for Mienshao. He has Fake Out to break sashes and has decent special attack to take out Gliscor. In-Depth This time around, there is no Skarmory in my team. As always though, it's important for me to have a reliable wall that can do something back. The team is more offensive than my previous teams, which I like. It's easier to win fast and it's a bit of a change from the other teams. Maybe next time I'll try all-out offense. Wisewizard (Mienshao) (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Regenerator EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Fake Out - Hi Jump Kick - Stone Edge - Hidden Power [Ice] This thing is an awesome lead and very powerful. He also looks like a bad-ass mofo. With Hidden Power Ice it can make some space for Breloom, by taking out Gliscor. Fake Out is there to break sashes and outspeeds all other priority (+3). Stone Edge for coverage and Hi Jump Kick because it kills. Naive nature, since you aren't going to survive much and I need the special attack to KO Gliscor. Brunt (Gyarados) (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Intimidate EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Roar - Sleep Talk - Waterfall - Rest Gyarados is one of my bully Pokemon, with a useful ability. It can switch in on Breloom and other sleep moves and it can roar set-uppers away. Also a great Blaziken counter. Besides that he does well versus psychical Kingdra and can roar away Garchomp (which is nice especially if there are Toxic Spikes on the field). Shuffling Pokemon is a thing that this beast can do very well. With hazards around, the opponent won't be smiling for long. Barbarax (Forretress) (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd) - Toxic Spikes - Rapid Spin - Gyro Ball - Stealth Rock Forretress, he can set up Toxic Spikes and Stealth Rock and besides that use Rapid Spin. He's amazing and I think he's perfect for this team. The EV's and nature are to ensure he can take some special hits in rain and set-up on most special-attackers that lack a huge special stat. Freaky Tiki (Chansey) (F) @ Eviolite Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Softboiled - Seismic Toss - Rain Dance / Wish - Thunder Wave Chansey is back, just because it's so awesome and pink. Moveset is a bit different, Thunder Wave is here for fliers or steel types that aren't affected by Toxic Spikes. Rain Dance for even more insurance to sandstorm teams. When I use Rain Dance with my CHansey and their sand starter is gone, your opponent will be like: '..Oh'. With Chansey around, not many special attackers can do something to me. Wish can also be used to heal up Forretress and other things, but I didn't find myself using it alot. Hardtochoke (Breloom) (M) @ Choice Band Trait: Technician EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Mach Punch - Bullet Seed - Rock Tomb - Low Sweep Choice Band Breloom is awesome and really works on this team. I don't need Spore or another set-uppers, but straight out offense. Mach Punch does alot to everything non-resistant (even does around 50 percent on flying types like Thundurus and Tornadus though) and Low Sweep 2HKO's even Skarmory. Rock Tomb for flying types, does about 80 percent to Xatu, Gyardos etc. Bullet Seed can do high amounts of damage, even OHKO'ing resistant things if I get lucky with the number of times it hits. Magnetox (Thundurus) (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Prankster EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hidden Power [Ice] - Thunderbolt - Nasty Plot - Focus Blast The almighty Thundurus, this thing is a god. Without a Nasty Plot it sweeps, with a Nasty Plot it rapes. Moves are chosen for almost perfect coverage (Shedinja.. but rocks and spikes say hello). With enough support going around for Thundurus, it can easily find a chance to Nasty Plot, where it can continue to kill the opponent team. It's just amazing and I love using him. Thanks you for reading and have fun battling. If you need any help when using this team or with trying to build your own team, you can always ask me in PM. Coming up - Threat list and teambuilding-process, since I have been getting requests of giving those. And a new #1 team in Wi-Fi of course.. Spoiler Wisewizard (Mienshao) (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Regenerator EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Fake Out - Hi Jump Kick - Stone Edge - Hidden Power [Ice] Brunt (Gyarados) (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Intimidate EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Roar - Sleep Talk - Waterfall - Rest Barbarax (Forretress) (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd) - Toxic Spikes - Rapid Spin - Gyro Ball - Stealth Rock Freaky Tiki (Chansey) (F) @ Eviolite Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Softboiled - Seismic Toss - Rain Dance - Thunder Wave Hardtochoke (Breloom) (M) @ Choice Band Trait: Technician EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Mach Punch - Bullet Seed - Rock Tomb - Low Sweep Magnetox (Thundurus) (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Prankster EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hidden Power [Ice] - Thunderbolt - Nasty Plot - Focus Blast
Excellent team, Especially love that Gyarados, Bulky as fuck and takes hits like a boss. Same with breloom, the idea of scaring people with the threat of spore and hitting them hard with choice'd moves is very creative.And yes, Thundurus is indeed a god! Once again, great team!
You forgot the importable. Please PM it to me so I can unlock the thread. Also, grats on #1! Nice team, beat me with it. Edit: Done
Will try it out later, seems like a good team! Currently using your rita repulsa team and that is awesome too! ~
woah semi offense huh.....would love to try it out .I've been playing far too much stall these days......really can't say much about this badass team.well done!this shows me how much i suck, so what do i do?steal!
This team doesnt work :_: I tested it. Maybe help us how to handle pokemon with a threat list? P.s: Don't think I'm offending you as im quite a big fan of you
Might I suggest making 8 EV investments in SpA instead of 4 on Mienshao? Since with 8 SpA EVs no common Gliscor would live Hidden Power I love the fact you're using Mienshao btw :3
Thanks for all the comments @ Nexus: I've helped you understand the team on the server and you were already doing better, just keep going and you'll do great with it :)
Finally someone uses Meinshao right. :) ;~; inb4 everyone "starts" abusing thundurus. It's funny how this is my team minus kojondo for blaze, and ferrothorn for forretress.... Nothing much to say but finally an original team.
Thank you, in my opinion Mienshao is one of the coolest fighting Pokemon out there, and it's sad to see he doesn't get much love in the teams of higher-ranked players.
How much do you ladder in one day? Really you have no life :P Still seeing a subseed serperior weakness though (an underrated wallbreaker to say the least).
Actually I just win everything so I don't need many battles! (j/k) Depends on Hidden Power on what to do versus Serperior, if Toxic Spikes is on the field it's even easier. Also, Mach Punch does around 60 percent.
I love how you use unconventional sets that work for your play style. This entire team is built around cb breloom sweeping and it's really good. I know I couldn't use a team like this and get anywhere near #1. If you didn't get the message, great team. Congratulations, I look forward to seeing your next one (I have read all of your rmt's already. xD)
Thank you, it's great to hear you enjoy my teams. I'm looking forward to my next one too, I'm still brainstorming on what to do with it though ;)
Ashton i feel pittyful for my last comment :D After you taught me how to use the team , it works wonders . Good team and I'm looking forward to a sand team from you ;)
I just don't know how you do it. Well done. The only thing I'd suggest is replacing Rock Tomb on Breloom for Stone Edge. You say Tomb does 80% to Xatu / Gyara - Edge would most likely kill them, and in those cases the Speed drop from Tomb would be useless anyway, it just gives you a greater chance of missing. But, I'm sure you have your reasons for using Tomb over Edge (at this point in time, I don't think anyone has the right to suggest changes for any of your teams :P). Really great job.
Congrats on ANOTHER #1 team! Finally, someone is using Thundurus well. I really prefer lead Thundurus to prevent hazards with Taunt, but Nasty Plot is amazing too. You may want to try Grass Knot over Focus Blast on Thundurus, but HP Ice works too, it's really up to you.
nice team... choice band breloom says more about your skillz than anything else curse you though. certain people who saw your team became wary of hp ice kojondo. that strategy was on the dl so i had no idea how the guy (who frequents these forums) even predicted that... but now that i see your rmt, there's the cause of it all x(
Thank you for the comments. Rock Tomb over Stone Edge because it doesn't KO everything on the switch. Things like Gyarados are 2HKO'd and I can outspeed it with speed drop, to get the second hit in. Besides that, it makes it easier to counter the threat switched in, if it gets a speed drop, and I have to switch in one of my other Pokemon.
I see that you rely on Gyarados as your Breloom counter, but from what I see it looks very unreliable. Sure Gyarados can take a Spore, but with Sleep Talk it has a 33% chance of Roaring away Breloom. And Roaring away Breloom is the best Gyarados is going to do other than Intimidate. While SD Breloom can easily take advantage with SR up. And your Forretress just being bait for Brelooms to set up on. While your only other chance is Thundurus which is also SR weak and can easily die from LO damage as well. The team doesn't really handle Brelooms very well. The team also fears Sandstorm teams a lot. And having Rain Dance on a Chansey isn't very reliable, especially when most of the Sand abusing Pokemon are hard hitting physical attackers and Sandstorm hurts Chansey (no Leftovers to keep it consistent).
I personally run leftovers on my Thundurus. The amount of damage from Sandstorm + Life Orb will quickly wear down your Thundurus. I can't really say too much about this team, since I don't really play DW. But from the looks of it, Eternal is right. You really don't have a solid SD Breloom counter.
Not quite. Gyarados is only there to take the Spore. Obviously I'm not keeping it in after it's asleep. Afther the Spore you can switch to something like Thundurus and most of the tiem I see them Swords Dancing on the switch. Especially the Technician Breloom won't be around long, especially if Toxic Spikes is present. If it's a Poison Healer, then I can just go to Thundurus as well since a -1 Breloom (since I will switch to Gyarados first) won't come near KO'ing it. If it decides to switchout, it won't be as much as a problem when it switches in next, because it can't Spore again. SandStorm teams have trouble with with both of my sweepers and Toxic Spikes, so I'm not the only one who needs to be on the lookout when someone is using such a team. Most of the time SS teams only have one fighting counter so it will be very hard to keep that alive with two very powerful fighitng-types. As for Rain Dance, it's only there if their weather inducer is gone and is a bit of a filler move, which is why I slashed it with Wish.
Obviously no good player would use SD after using Spore on Gyarados when they know you have Thundurus. They will go for the Bullet Seed right after Spore. A 5 hit Bullet Seed with Life Orb after being Intimidated will do 65% ~ 76.65% to your Thundurus. Mach Punch then does 21% ~ -25% to Thundurus. Thus, taking out Thundurus is quite an easy task especially from Thundurus' LO recoil and SR damage. And especially when Forretress is just a bait for Breloom to set up on, your opponent can easily switch out after Sporing Gyarados then try to get up on Forretress and SD when your Thundurus is weakened or it can go with Bullet Seed right after Forretress Rapid Spins away the entry hazards. But yea, I can see that you can handle Breloom to some extent, but it isn't a very viable way. And especially when Poison Heal Sub Breloom is even more threatening for the team (as Gyarados will be unable to break Substitute with Waterfall). I would also like to recommend using Wish Blissey over that Chansey set. It will allow you pass a full recovery to any of your Pokemon, and this can be very significant for all your Pokemon.
Chansey reaches 704 HP, while Blissey reaches 714. I don't really think that'll help much with Wish.. (Unless you mean Wish Chansey over Rain Dance, which is a good option as well, hence I slashed it with Rain Dance). Also, in your example you're assuming multiple things, that most likely will not occur at the same time in a battle.. - that my opponent knows I have Thundurus - that Bullet Seed hits 5 times - that Stealth Rock is up - playing against the perfect player Not saying Breloom is easy to handle, but it doesn't sweep the team 'easily'. Poison Heal Breloom is easier to handle since it can't set up a Sub easily against any of the team, only after the turn it Spored Gyarados, where it's at -1 attack from Intimidate.
All those are plausible situations a good player should be aware of when against another good player. It is obvious that once you've Spored a Gyarados, your opponent isn't going to let you SD and easily sweep from there. Chansey does not have access to Leftovers, unlike Blissey. That's like giving it a conceptual +6.25% bulk to any damage. While Poison Heal Breloom is not easier for your team to handle even after Intimidate. Why? Because Waterfall fails to break Substitute. You have a 33% chance of breaking Roaring away Breloom with Sleep Talk. Focus Punch can take out the rest of your team and brutally weaken Thundurus. Another threat, Reuniclus, totally sweeps this team. There is not one viable Pokemon in this team that can handle this Pokemon with efficiency. Cloyster is also another big threat to the team, where you must rely on Breloom to revenge kill. Specs Latios can be very threatening, especially when Chansey is the only Pokemon that can take a Draco (does 31.11% ~ 36.65% and there's no recovery from Leftovers). And Chansey does fear being Tricked. Keldeo destroys your whole team except Thundurus. Whereas a Thunderbolt from your Thundurus will do 88.9% ~ 104.6% to a +1 CM Keldeo. Meaning you can't risk sending in Thundurus to counter Keldeo, you must revenge kill. And if you can't risk sending in Thundurus on a possible attack, then you've just allowed it to CM again. CM + Wish Jirachi also can easily sweep your whole team. It may not be that popular on ladder, but it's still something frequently used in good Rain teams. -------- Anyways, these are just examples of the many weaknesses to your team. Sure any good player can reach rank #1 on the ladder with that team and through predictions and experience. But that doesn't mean that this team has weaknesses and that you will fail to beat players that are better or equally better than you. Or players that simply use such threatening Pokemon that gives your team trouble.
Can you name me something that does like taking Specs Meteor then.. anyways Forretress can also take a Meteor with his spread. CM Reuniclus is annoying, I usually try beating it with hard hits from Breloom and Thundurus after paralyzing it with Chansey. If it's Trick Room then Chansey walls it pretty much. Even though Reunuclis is dangerous, I wouldn't say it's 'Totally sweeping' this team. About Keldeo, weirdly enough I haven't seen him around much in my battles, but Mach Puch from Breloom (Or Bullet Seed if at full health and Keldeo has no boost) does a very big number on him. CM + Wish Jirachi take huge numbers from Hi Jump Kick from Mienshao and after that it can be taken out with a Mach Punch or Thunderbolt from Thundurus. It can also by paralyzed by Chansey to get a stronger hit in with Breloom. Again, not saying that examples you name aren't dangerous. I'm just describing in what I would do against the Pokemon you describe. In theory a team can look perfect of have many weaknesses, but it's about how it plays in practice as well. There isn't a single offensive or semi-offensive team that can handle dangerous Pokemon like Reuniclus with efficiency (sure you can have a Scizor but it's 2HKO'd so it's not 'efficient' since Reuniclus can just switch out).
hey man nice team here I think I would just use SR on chansey to free up a moveslot on forry for spikes or pain split. Kojondo would also be cool with u-turn. I think that's all, nice team
Nice team I like all your Pokemon and This team works because its not standard Aston you think outside of the box... I hate your chansey though just because its better than blissey and not as cute IMO. Grats
I don't understand why people think that using the same team as a particular person will mean you will have the same success rate as that person. Peoples' decision making will vary in battle, and thus, so will the outcome of the battle. But with all honesty, as far as teams go this generation, no team is 100% reliable. The metagame is far too inconsistent and has way too many potent threats.
This team gets handled by Sableye, Mienshao doesnt like WoW and cant be faked out, Togekiss with thunder wave/Air slash would also put a hurt on this team
Sableye can be annoying if it has WoW + Taunt. Does the team get handled by it? No. Things like Thundurus can still reliably beat it. Togekiss? ..No. It can't get past the Chansey. Thundurus / Breloom / Mieanshao severely hurt, if not KO, Togekiss.