[HGSS] Unbans

Discussion in 'Past Gens Discussion' started by yiran, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. Gtfo

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    Chomp is OU is just wrong as after a +2 there's not much stuff that can take hits from him, especially at midgame. I'd like to see Mence back in OU because I really hate those FWG cores of these days. I can describe the Mence metagame with 4 words: Less Stall, More Fun.
     
  2. Fakes

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    Salamence is better then Garchomp lol
    I know so many Pokemon which can counter/revenge Garchomp
    All in all i like the actually metagame. #it is very balanced !
    Why not add a suspect ladder ?
    there you could play with salamence,manaphy etc.
     
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  3. Gtfo

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    Garchomp looks well where it is, after a +2 not many stuff will enjoy an Outrage even if they're bulky waters. And if Chomp has SD, that means it has a Yache Berry, so it will easily live an Ice beam and 2HKO.
     
  4. Fakes

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    lol Gtfo
    Salamence at +1 +1 with Life Orb is pretty much the same lol
    but i think if Salamence is back at OU over 70% of the teams will carry it lol
    Manaphy can go back to OU i think but Tail Glos is damn strong -.-
    Garchomp isn´t countered by something like Cune if it have Yache Berry that´s right but Toxic Spikes+Phazer like Skaramory can hanle it quiete easly
    but ok Garchomp should stay at uber because if it become back in OU the metagem would be more deffensive
    The Metagame is Ok it doesn´t need to muc changes
    Tempation: Salamence should be Uber cuz Noobs like you ;) (lol jk) would use it in every Team xD
     
  5. fidgety

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  6. Fakes

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    Yes TL is very Broken but i would test manaphy in OU not more !
    Salamence would use by too many Guys really
    70% ishow it is called a bit too many
     
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    and B4 it was banned did it ever break 25% no not at any point.
     
  8. craptastic

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    I think bringing manaphy to OU is ok since manaphy, if you think about it, is a water type celebi. 100 base stats but it has hydration + rest. Manaphy needs rain dance/rain for it to be truly effective, and the TG set is the same as a NP celebi. Plus manaphy can easily be countered with the zapdos/jolteon/hp electric users. Plus, suicune can wall it, not to mention with all the sandstorm around it would be hard to keep rain up.

    Salamence, on the other hand, is a bit more difficult. Salamence has no real counters, it has checks at best. True, Banded ice shard from a weavile ( 252atk, jolly choice band ice shard on a 252hp 252def salamence does 85-101%, a ohko with rocks up) or mamoswine ( 252atk, jolly choice band ice shard on a 252hp 252def salamence = 91-107%) does KO, but it's tricky to switch them in. You'll have to sacrifice one of your pokemons to get them in, and no respectable salamence user would keep a salamence in on those two pokemon, or any other ice move wielding pokemon for that matter. Salamence can stay in uber, along with latias imo since they both require a counter for them to stop their sweeps.

    Btw, I know no one uses a 252hp 252def salamence, Im just making a point that a maxed def salamence can still be OHKO'ed by weavile or mamoswine.

    These are just my opinion on this topic, dont bash me if you think otherwise.
     
  9. Fakes

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    lol
    if you mean that you are right lol
    i know salamence would be completly change the cool metagame that we have at the moment
    Thanks to Crapastic:finally a guy know what he is talking about :D
     
  10. Gtfo

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    >cool meragame that we have at the moment
    I don't find cool seeing how every team is the same with these new FWG cores. Everytime is like Heatran/Celebi-Shaymin/Starmie. I've seen few teams not running this type of core.
     
  11. Luck>Skill

    Luck>Skill Well-Known Member

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    *Captain obvious ftw*

    Without a counter to Lucario, you are going to lose
    Without a counter to Dragonite, you are going to lose
    Without a counter to Gliscor, you are going to lose
    Without a counter to Tyranitar, you are going to lose

    ...and the list goes on :D

    That's an horrible argument. Latias isn't broken, at all. If running a choice specs, Ttar/Zong comes in and lols at her attack, if it's a CM, +1 Dpulse won't kill Weavile, while Weavile destroys her back with Night Slash, and it's trapped. CM Latias also gets pawned by Scizor, unless HP Fire, but then she loses speed ties against other Latias and against Gengar, that 0HKOs with Shadow Ball.
     
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  12. Django

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    I think what would be a better argument is that Mence and Latios require very specific hard counters, which may not be useful outside of these roles. I think the best argument for Salamence staying in Ubers is the fact that once it gets in then something WILL die (unless you have Cresselia :x)
     
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  13. Fakes

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    we have a cool metagame but Gtfo you´re right this boring FWG-Core is very annoying.´
    salamence is so uncool because as luck said every time you will face one, one pokemon will get killed
     
  14. Gtfo

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    I correct you, it was Django who said it. js
     
  15. craptastic

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    What I mean was Salamence and Latias needed hard counters. I mean how many weaviles and mamoswines have you seen being used after these two were banned? My point is, mence and latias NEED counters. I mean, dragonite, lucario, tyranitar, skarmbliss etc. can be dealt with even if you dont have their specific counters.
    Sure ok, latias' counters arent really specific compared to mence but latias is able to switch into so many attacks due to it's typing and it's bulk and begin to set up.

    It's just my opinion that the metagame is better without it. Like I said, if you think otherwise, you're entitled to your opinion.
     
  16. Freedom Figter

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    Wob definitely needs to stay banned. With the better-than-gen-5 encore and such. I feel like Latias and Salamance were banned for a reason, and should stay that way. Although Deoxys-D would be fun in OU I think : ).