Pokemon (here we go again!)

Discussion in 'Theme Development' started by Scatterbrain, Jun 29, 2016.

  1. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    The old thread is still a couple threads down, but it's been a year and necrobumping is generally frowned upon. Anyways, here is the raw: http://pastebin.com/raw/27vw8CLS

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    Magikarp/Gyarados + Shiny Versions: Magikarp is villager and can evolve into Gyarados (vigi with a recharge). Shiny Magikarp inspects as Magikarp, has a nonrevealing daykill (read: don't claim pls) and can evolve into Shiny Gyarados after 5 nights (nonrevealing daykill, 10% kill evade chance).
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    Farfetch'd: a samurai who reveals. Don't claim/daykill while Arceus/Mewtwo/Giratina-O/Deoxys-S are around.
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    Joltik: can reveal himself during the day, can't be daykilled, but has a vote of 0.5. However, beware of Mewtwo and such.
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    Dragonite: a reliable bodyguard who can hax inspects (Stoutland) and can't be distracted.
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    Stoutland: inspector who can hax protects (Dragonite). bark bark
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    Feebas/Milotic: both are standard PLs, except Milotic can distract twice.
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    Murkrow/Honchkrow: inspect as your standard baddies (Bidoof, Latios, Arceus, depending on game type). They are self aware, and can evolve into Honchkrow on the third night to get a vote of 2 and a stalk. They still retain their inspect as X role trait, however.
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    Celebi: backup bodyguard and safeguard, can hax poisons.
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    Chinchou/Gen 5 Starters: -1 vote, inspect as Magikarp and get hax on actions. The Gen 5 Starters don't spawn yet, and I'm not sure if I feel like adding them. I already removed Stunfisk and Cresselia from the theme because they didn't really fit, but I'm not sure if I'll give them the boot juuuuuuust yet.
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    Electrode: a night and day bomb. Moving along.
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    Bronzong: hard m2 counter (Mewtwo is kuja in this theme).
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    Gallade: vigilante, also gets hax on kills.
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    Liepard: spy with 2 votes.

    Bidoof Army:
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    Bidoof/Bibarel: Bidoof is basic mafia, Bibarel has a kill that isn't shared with Bidoof. Early game mafia.

    Creation Trio:
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    Dialga and Palkia have shared kill, Dialga can daykill with 20% reveal chance, Palkia has a vote of 3, fat Giratina (Giratina-A) has -2 votes and a poison and can change into Giratina-O, who has a kefka kill (slower than Deoxys-S, blame speed tier) also has -2 votes and 10% chance of evading kills.

    Regi Trio:
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    Regigang: the Hoenn Regis are all basic mafia, Regigigas can distract and has a separate kill.

    Eon Mafia:
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    They don't know each other from the start, but can spam kill until they find each other (they won't be haxed). Latias has inspect and Latios has protect in addition to their kill.
    Solo roles:
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    Arceus: creator of the universe. Has a nightkill and a daykill, avoids hax. Your standard badass.
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    Missigno: players who started on Gen 5 or later have no clue what this is, but can kill (and poison in later games) plus kills distractors. fuck ur cartridge gg no re
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    Deoxys: can change into different formes, which are Attack (nightkill and daykill), Speed (kill that's superfast and ignores bodyguards), and Defense (evasive capabilities and a poison). Normal just has a kill and they can all change from one another. If you change to Deoxys-D from any other role you can get his defensive traits (since his self convert is higher than most kills) so bear that in mind.
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    Jirachi: conspirator, can distract and also poison someone (takes 2 nights to die, doom desire and such).

    Ideas:
    - Take out Gen 5 Starters
    - Gallade can "wiretap" someone and be able to see their teamtalk. this can be worked around by using PM but imagine the chaos of pming with 4+ people on your team ;p. would be disruptive in later games and would be discrete (secret) however would be useless if it hits a village role.
     
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  2. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Glad to see you are working to bring this back again :)

    I'm on my phone so I'll post more later, but this is what I think so far.

    1. I never liked the Unova Trio, they always felt like filler roles and they did not have much of a use. If you bring them back, I think you should make them full millers (see themselves as Magikarp, inspect as a mafia and keep their -1 vote) since that could make things more interesting in smaller and larger games.

    2. You could afford to include some Gen 6 mons if I'm being honest. Obviously this theme was made before Gen 6 but I think you should maybe replace some of these roles with some gen 6 roles (Talon could be a good replacement for Gallade, maybe Xerneas and Yvetal could be a mafia duo that swap around with the Eon Mafia). Something that I've always wanted to implement into a theme is a Malamar role that uses topsy-turvy to swap a Pokemons role, so if you decide to use that then that could act as a new less reliable counter to Mewtwo (if you don't use this I will :]).

    3. For a lone role, Arceus is weak, especially in larger games. I suggest giving him something else to use as a form of protection, since he's basically weak to everything that a standard villager is weak to (maybe a self bg or a vote shield could work?).

    Will post more later.
     
  3. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Arceus now has one shot distract, self protect, poison, inspect and stalk. His night actions now bypass protect, safeguard and all defensive modes (rip Electrode). You can still kill him or vote him off, though.