Pokemon Sun and Moon - Pre-release discussion (SPOILERS)

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    briefly checked the thread and i didnt see them linked so there u go
     
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    They had just discovered the information when I went to bed, and were compiling it for release. I'll make comments about the datamine in this post, and keep demo-released information in my other post.

    I'll keep it in a spoiler-tag though, because people might not want to fully spoil the game.

    Psychic Terrain - blocks status moves whilst it is in effect, and boosts Psychic-type moves. I assume this links with a Psychic / Fairy Tapu Koko-like Pokémon. This could definitely be interesting, and if it is able to see decent usage, it could shake up the game entirely.

    Throat Chop - blocks the hit Pokémon from using sound-based moves for 2 turns. I doubt this will have significant usage, it almost seems like a unique move. That being said, this might just be useful in very specific situations. I imagine it is probably going to be Fighting-typed.

    Aurora Veil - err... is this Light Screen and Reflect in one fucking turn? What the fuck? I'm definitely interested in seeing how this links with Light Clay, Defog and Brick Break, as well as what gets this move. This could be very interesting indeed, and not necessarily in a good way.

    Laser Focus - a move used on the turn after this move is used results in a critical hit. Coupled with Sniper, this could be a nice thing to use. Past that, I can't see the use.

    Stakeout - double damage to any Pokemon that switches in as a replacement in that turn is pretty damn strong. Pursuit mind-games!

    Final Evolution Stages if starters - ...at least Popplio and family already looked stupid. I think it might be turning Water / Fairy. Rowlet looks like it turns from an owl into a hawk, which I'm not sold on. Similarly, I'm not a massive fan of the design as is. It's not terrible though. Litten's final evolution... oh god, it might just be Fire/Fighting. Please. No. It also might be Fire/Dark looking at it though. Admittedly, I do kinda like the panther design to it.

    Pikipek family - Pikipek turns into a... far too big and fat woodpecker? From there, it turns into a toucan. What? I do kinda like the design, but it just looks like a toucan.

    Random mons - Punchy crab turns into a... Yeti punchy crab? I reckon it'll be Water / Fighting, but I can't help but shake the feeling that it might just become Ice-type because it looks like a fucking yeti. The thing that looks like Beardy Long Legs from Pikmin might just be the Bug / Water-type we always wanted (piss off Surskit). Yet another big mushroom mon, makes me annoyed. There's the thing that looks like a sea urchin or durian, no comment on that tbh. Also Saladit evolves to the shock of nobody. There's an anchor mixed with a ship's wheel covered in moss. Grass/Steel again? The woodlouse evolves into a Mirelurk from Fallout.

    Tapu Koko's brothers - One is likely Psychic / Fairy with Psychic Terrain ability. I think one might be solo Fairy, with Misty Terrain ability. The bull, however, is hard to read. I'd probably say Fighting / Fairy looking at it, but it makes sense for it to be Grass / Fairy with Grassy Terrain ability. I might be completely wrong, but there's my thoughts. I love the design of all of these though.

    Solgaleo / Lunaala - they have... miniture forms? These are probably the unpowered versions, similar to the Egg and Tree that were Yveltal and Xerneas respectively. I'm interested in what's going on here. I doubt that they are pre-evolutions, but they just might be! People are saying that it might be time-based, where Solgaleo can only be used during the day, and Lunaala can only be used at night. If so, you can't use Solgaleo + Lunaala at the same time, nor can you use Lunaala + Skymin. Worth noting.

    Ultra Beasts - they look so much like Digimon lmao. There are rumours going around they each one corresponds with a specific NPC, with the spiky white haired Ultra Beast being the guy in charge of Team Skull, for example. I do like the designs of the majority of them. That belly mouth one tho... oh lordy, that's weird as hell.

    Magearna - ...there's a Poké Ball variant. Man, I hate Game Freak sometimes. Was Magearna created to capture Pokémon in the early days? Alternatively, was Poké Ball Magearna created to capture HUMANS TO TURN THEM INTO ULTRA BEASTS???? idfk, and tbh, i don't care

    Marshadow - the fuck is this? Looks like a Ghost-type Chespin or something. Still, I want to know more.

    Shiny Sprites - Zygarde's shinies look awesome. Rowlet family and Litten family look awesome shiny too. Toucan's beak looks cool as a shiny. Bruxish still looks silly, but cooler. Ghost Pikachu looks cool too cos it looks like the entire thing was drawn in pencil. Tapu Koko's family needs a little more colour, but look alright anyway. Shiny Muscle Bug Ultra Beast looks AWESOME. Shiny Belly Mouth looks FUCKING SCARY lmao. Shiny Poké Ball Magearna is Ultra Ball Magearna, looks alright imo. The rest are pretty forgettable or are crap.
     
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    If those starter evoloution leaks are true, then I might just give up pokemon.
     
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    They are, give up imo.
     
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    also, OH LOOK THE CAT IS ON 2 FEET. we can only wait in horror as the possible 4peat FiFi type combo makes its triumphant return.
     
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    "not too much different with its stats really, just buffed attack and speed"
    >145 atk/153 satk/132 spe
     
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    t wave is now 90% accurate & paralysis only halves your speed

    confusion is now only a 1/3 chance of hitting yourself
     
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    A wild Alolan Raichu appeared in the teambuilder

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    (yes its a little too big for the square. sue me)
     
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    Ooh, these are interesting. Makes Glare a more usable option over T Wave for the few things that get both (lol, Dunsparce), and much more balance.

    The only downside I see is that the confusion nerf will make it a lot harder to get it banned again. D:
     
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    There's been a fourth video of datamined information from the demo that's been released. The link is HERE, massive spoilers in that video, you have been warned.

    Similarly, my comments on is revealed in that video are in the spoiler tags below, a very high chance that I'll mention the spoiled information, so avoid if you don't want spoiling.

    - There's going to be 719 moves in total, up from 621 in ORAS, and 29 of those are Z-moves. As there is 1 Z-move per type, this means that there are 11 unique Z-moves. We already know of the Pikachu, Alolan Raichu, Eevee and Snorlax ones, so there are 7 more to be revealed. My money is on Charizard, Mewtwo and Greninja getting some. Unfortunately, the move information was scrubbed from the demo, so we don't have info on them.

    - It was already rumoured to be the case, but it has now been confirmed: HMs are officially gone. Ride Pokémon replace them, for the most part. A few HM moves are now TMs, which I'll detail in the next point.

    - We have 100 TMs still, but a few have changed:
    TM01 is now Work Up (replacing Hone Claws). I think this is an improvement;
    TM28 is Leech Life (replacing Dig). Dig was one of the original TMs, so I'm sad to see it change. Unless Leech Life is majorly buffed, this is a crap swap;
    TM59 is a new move that we don't know yet (replacing Incinerate). Incincerate isn't great, so let's hope for something good;
    TM67 is a new move that we don't know yet (replacing Retaliate). Retaliate is a unique move that not much uses competitively, so let's hope for something good;
    TM70 is a new move that we don't know yet (replacing Flash). Flash is crap, so anything is an improvement;
    TM76 is Fly, the former HM02 (replacing Struggle Bug). Struggle Bug is pretty useless, so I like this change;
    TM94 is Surf, the former HM03 (replacing Rock Smash). With the Ride Tauros existing, Rock Smash is pretty useless, so this is fantastic;
    TM98 is Waterfall, the former HM07 from Gens 2-4 and HM05 from Gens 5-6 (replacing Power-Up Punch). The only thing that gets Power-Up Punch that gets any benefit from using it is Mega Kangaskhan, so I feel this is a good change. However, this could change the VGC Mega Kanga meta significantly.
    HM01 Cut, HM04 Strength and HM06 Dive have all been removed from the game. Rip Strength, such a good in-game move.

    - 920 items total in Sun and Moon, up from 775 in ORAS. 58 are linked with Z-moves, with half of them being holdable Z-items that the Pokémon must hold to use the item, and the other half being Key Items. 29 Z-moves, so 2 items for each Z-move. There's also data for a new "Lava Cookie"-type item, as has been the trend for every region introduced since Gen 3, I believe. There's an item that is reported to be similar to Dire Hit or Guard Spec that has an effect if held by a Pokémon also, which sounds useless. There's 17 items for Silvally to hold to change its type. There's 6 new hold-items that have effects in battle. 4 items are for use in changing forms, with no confirmation on what is it used for, though the data miners suspect it is linked to Zygarde. There's the previously-leaked Ice Stone, which we assume is used for Vulpix -> Ninetales. Finally, there's a new item which allows you to change Zygarde's forms, I assume this is the Zygarde Core, but we just don't know.

    - There's a new Poké Ball, which looks legendary in some way. The data miners expect it to be linked to capturing the Ultra Beasts. I think it looks more a bit like Solgaleo and Lunaala in a way.

    - Primal Reversion returns, to no-one's surprise.

    - Hoopa-Unbound exists, to no-one's surprise.
     
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    On a note unrelated to all other info in this post: Alolan Persian has been confirmed... not that we didn't already expect it. It looks rather crap imo.

    A fifth video of datamined information has been released HERE. Again, potential MASSIVE SPOILERS in the video. Going to have the information and my comments in the spoiler tag, as with the previous posts.

    - Super Potion heals 60 was already known, but Hyper Potion only heals 120 HP now instead of 200 HP, and it costs $1500 instead of $1200. I think MooMoo Milk are officially better now.

    - Fresh Water, Soda Pop and Lemonade now cost $200, $300 and $400 respectively, with Lemonade increased in price from $350. They have changed the amount they heal also: Fresh Water heals 30 HP, Soda Pop heals 50 HP, and Lemonade heals 70 HP. I think everyone will just use Lemonade instead of Super Potions, instead of using Soda Pops. Hell, they might still just use Soda Pops.

    - All X-Items (X-Attack etc) now sharply increase the stat in question. Use an X-Attack in-game, and you get to +2 Attack. This will make speedrunners VERY VERY HAPPY.

    - It has been confirmed that no new weather effects exist in the game. I think we all knew this thanks to Tapu Koko - there's going to be a focus on Terrains instead.

    - There's apparently 8 new in-game medals. Yay?

    - They scrubbed the Key Item sprites... but not the pop-up icons that appear when you collect them. Such icons include: a helmet which looks a bit like a cross between a motorcycle helmet and a lucha libre mask; Zygarde Cell, Zygarde Core and Zygarde Cube-thing sprites; a Fishing Rod, which I assume to be the one and only rod in the game, making it the Super Rod; the Rotom Pokédex; a Mega Stone; what appears to be a ring box; some kind of item that looks like an Amazon Dash stick; a bracelet and tablet that both look like old stone, with similar markings on the front of both; what I think looks like a Berry Pouch, but I could be very wrong; a leaflet or guide of some sort; a small purse; a medallion of sorts that has 4 different colours on it, and I think this might be given to those that complete all 4 Island's Trials; and 2 flutes with the icons from Pokemon Sun and Moon on, which I imagine have something to do with the summoning of the respective cover legendaries.

    - They managed to solve the extra encryption used in the save files already, though it reportedly took over a day and a half for the guy to do it. This means that people will probably still be able to "hack" to get their Pokémon battle-ready for Wifi and VGC pretty damn quickly. Opinions vary on whether this is good or bad from user to user, but I think that this is rather impressive.

    - They left in the images for all the Z-stones of each specific type. They each have a little icon in the middle to represent their type, as well as having their type's colour be their primary colour. That's neat.

    - They also left in random images of: the 4 islands of Alola; various Pokémon icons (similar to the ones used in the menus of GSC); a world map of Earth which seems to be centralised around Hawaii; and a random X mark. Cool I guess.

    - Finally, they report that that is the end of the datamine from the demo. However, I speculate that with the demo cracked, they may very well be able to get the database for the main game accessed rather quickly after release, which should help the simulators significantly! Hooray!
     
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    The three starters' final evolutions have been named; Decidueye, Incineroar, and Primarina. They are Grass/GHOST, Fire/Dark and Water/Fairy respectively. Each starter has a decent sounding signature move too.

    Decidueye's Spirit Shackle prevents the target from switching. Incineroar's Darkest Lariat ignores stat changes, and Primarina's Sparkling Aria heals a target's burn. Maybe it's like Smellingsalt?

    Alolan Persian has been confirmed, as has Cosmog, Lunala's presumed pre-evo.

    The other three Tapu have been revealed, and all of them have similar abilities, as well as a shared (and AWESOME) Z move.

    Much stuff.
     
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    New info released in a trailer, so they won't be in a spoiler tag:

    Decidueye - final evo of Rowlet, Grass / Ghost. What? NO LEVITATE? Hawk Archer, Hawkeye? Anyway, unique move Spirit Shackle, Ghost-type move, traps opponent and damages. Indigo is speculating how much people will be annoyed at that move. Could be interesting.

    Incineroar - final evo of Litten, Fire / Dark. THANK THE LORD. Signature move of Darkest Lariat - Dark-type move, ignores Stat Changes, so probably like Chip Away. Think it looks the best of the three.

    Primarina - final evo of Popplio, Water / Fairy. I think we all predicted that. Looks idiotic. Unique move of Sparkling Aria - Water-type move, heals burns. Will it double power on a burned opponent, like how Smelling Salts does for paralysed opponents?

    Tapu Lele - Psychic / Fairy, Psychic Surge (makes Psychic Terrain) gets Draining Kiss.
    "The battlefield got weird!"
    "The wild Tapu Lele surrounded itself with psychic terrain!"

    Tapu Bulu - Grass / Fairy, Grassy Surge (Grass Terrain) gets Horn Leech.
    "Grass grew to cover the battlefield!"

    Tapu Fini - Water / Fairy, Misty Surge (Misty Terrain) gets Moonblast.
    "Mist swirls around the battlefield!"

    Tapu unique Z-move - "Guardian of Alola" Z-move. The only info we have is that it is neutral on Probopass. I imagine it'd take the type of the Guardian, with it looking like a Electric-type move in the trailer when used by Tapu Koko. I'm just speculating, however.

    Cosmog - Psychic-type, Unaware as an ability. This was speculated to be a pre-evo of Lunaala by leaks. Absolutely no info past its typing and look was given though. It looks dumb if you ask me.

    Alolan Persian - LOOKS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING RETARDED. Dark-type. Fur Coat / Technician for its abilities. Fur Coat is a nice addition that could give it a niche use alongside Furfrou, but chances are people will still just use it as a Technician sweeper, if they even use it at all.

    Alolan League - " See the Beginning of the Alolan League?" What? I'm just confused now. Are they planning on making a Pokémon League in Alola, but haven't currently? Or is the Alolan League going to end up being the finale to the Island Challenge?

    Battle Tree - "Alolan Champions can take on the Battle Tree!" This seems to be like the Pokémon World Tournament from Black and White 2, as you can battle against and with notable trainers of past games: Cynthia and Wally were shown in the trailer.

    Finally... apparently, you can battle Red and Blue. They actively appeared in the Alolan Region, and they looked more adult than they have done in the past. If they play a role in the game, we currently have no idea what that is. However, it may relate back to the Gen 1 transfers.
     
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    >Grass/Ghost, ok.
    Lariat seems like a fighting move but thank god it isn't and thank god the evo is fire/dark.
    The Tapu team seems pretty great if you tell me xd
     
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    Red and blue in the new games

    RBY 3DS remakes confirmed
     
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    Some more smaller bits of information were released on the official Pokémon Sun/Moon website, and via a new a trailer over in Japan.

    - All the Tapu Pokémon get the move Nature's Madness, which is essentially a clone of Super Fang. There's also been rumours that the Tapu Z-move is basically a Super Fang clone that takes of 75% of your health instead of 50% too. If so, that's going to be absolute dogshit.

    - Serebii has reported more information on Sun and Moon's communication features: "Quick Communication" uses local wireless only, and can allow you to do Single and Double battles; in the "Festival Plaza", you can do Single, Double and Multi Battles and Battle Royales via local wireless or Wifi; "Battle Spot Free Battle" has Single Battle, Double Battle and Battle Royale options, as well as a toggleable option to allow or disallow "special" Pokémon, which are Legendaries and Mythical Pokémon; and "Battle Spot Rating Battle" only has Single and Double Battle options, as well as the VGC Ladder. The most notable thing I take from this is this: Where have Triple Battles and Rotation Battles gone?

    - The Japanese trailer revealed some of the Pokédex information for the Alolan Pokédex: Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Ledyba and Ledian are Pokémon 017-021 in the Alolan Pokédex; Vikavolt is shown to be Pokémon 029 in the Alolan Pokédex, so Grubbin and Charjabug will be 027 and 028 respectively; and Bonsly, Sudowoodo, Happiny, Chansey, Blissey, Munchlax, Snorlax, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Slowking, Wingull, Pelipper, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Alolan Meowth, Alolan Persian, Magnemite, Magneton and Magnezone were all shown to be Pokémon 030-046 in that order in the Alolan Pokédex.

    - The trailer confirms that Exeggcute evolves into Alolan Exeggutor by using a Leaf Stone. This pretty much confirms that normal Exeggutor isn't obtainable by normal means.

    - The trailer confirms that Charjabug evolves into Vikavolt at Level 40.

    - The trailer confirms the name of the Normal-type Z-move, Breakneck Blitz.

    - The trailer shows the Rock-type Z-move. Its name was not shown.
     
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    So I almost reached November without knowing about the final evos.

    Unlike most of you, I can totally get the Fire/Dark typing. It's quite clearly Satan. And man do I love Satan... definitely my favorite starter this gen.

    On the grassy end, we got a forest Elf. We all know elves are good with bows. The design is decent and maintains the fashionableness, but I just wish it stayed adorable all the way.

    Both of the above seem to have good signature move.

    The Water/Fairy one, well it could've sucked more. It still clearly sucks, make no mistake. And the signature move is probably useless too.

    Love the new dark and cloudy psychic type.

    The Tapus are okay. Terrains are the next big thing. The Z move seemed like a bit too much tho. We shouldn't be crushing pokemons really. That's cruel af.

    ROFL that Alolan Persian. Will be interesting to see what fur coat does for it. Probably not much if the poodle before him was any indication.

    Battle Tree seems like a simple yet solid idea. Can't go wrong with this.
     
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    Apparently Spirit Shackle is a physical 90BP, and that's gr8.
    Also for Satan, what I really believe was it actually was meant to be fight type. But when GF saw the reaction of fans after the leaks they went,"Holy shit, Plan B! Change it to Dark Type!" :V
     
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    New Japanese Trailer, info from it here:

    - It confirms that there is a Wishiwashi (School Form) Totem Pokémon at some point. Look at the orange glow. This was already known, but I thought I'd include it. It also confirmed the Gumshoos Totem Pokémon that was also known.

    - It displays the Bug-type Z-move. It wraps the opponent in a silk cocoon, and slams the cocoon overhead into the ground.

    - Skitty and Poliwhirl are seen wandering the overworld in the trailer, confirming those lines for the Alolan Pokédex.

    - Bewear was shown to use Hammer Arm, to the surprise of no one.

    - Rowlet's middle evo seemed to use Energy Ball. Litten's middle evo seemed to use Fire Blast. Popplio seemed to use Aqua Jet. None of these are shocking revelations.

    - A Dragonite was shown in the trailer facing a wild Hakamo-o, showing that Hakamo-o can be caught at Level 49 in the wild.

    - The Psychic-typed Z-move was shown. It seems to bounce the opponent around on mirrors using Psychic power.

    - Dratini and Dragonair were confirmed to be Pokémon 281 and 282 in the Alolan Pokédex, meaning Dragonite is 283. Dragonite was shown earlier in the trailer, and thus its inclusion in the Alolan Pokédex is not a surprise.

    - Eevee is shown to be Pokémon 123 in the Alolan Pokédex, with Vaporeon being 124, Jolteon being 125, and Glaceon being 130. This would make Flareon 126, Espeon and Umbreon 127 and 128, Leafeon 129, and Sylveon 131 in the Alolan Pokédex.

    - Pikachu was shown to be number 25 in the Alolan Pokédex, the same as its National Pokédex number. This would make Alolan Raichu 26.

    - The Rotom Pokédex appears to show you specific patches of grass where you can catch a specific Pokémon, Pikachu in the case of the trailer. Does this mean that each patch of grass has different encounter rates, or does it just show every patch of grass it can be found in? This could be interesting!

    - The Rotom Pokédex can also allow you to set a marker on the bottom screen for a location, showing the trainer as a :) face on the bottom screen also.

    - Bewear was shown to be Pokémon 170 in the Alolan Pokédex, meaning that Stuffel will be Pokémon 169 in the Alolan Pokédex.

    - The player character, accompanied by Lillie, appear to be protecting a Cosmog at one point at the end of the trailer. The context of this is unknown.

    - UB-02 Absorption is shown descending from a... cracked... sky? It isn't lightning, because the bolts are slowly expanding like something that is cracking, instead of moving more swiftly like electricity does.
     
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    I dub thee Captain Obvious of House So_What. You may now rise.
     
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    Congrats on your knighthood, Oak. What do you plan to do with these honors bestowed upon you?

    Info dumps like that are still useful to me though, since I can't be assed to look up every single new trailer.
     
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    Oh boy, I just realized that the demo base stats of the alolan mons aren't exactly going to be the same in the OG. That said, the theorymon post I was doing here on the starter evos will have to wait. Also, yeah Spoovo, theorymoning works here tho! xd
     
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    ...you called? O.o

    Err, to make this not spam... does anyone else feel like they're pandering to gen 1 with all these alolan formes, and Red and Blue as well now? I mean, the idea's great, a genetic changed based on geographical influence, but to only affect Kanto-based pokemon? ._.
     
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    It's really not uncommon at all for a long running series to have callbacks to their first game. It happened last gen as well, with generation 1 having the only 2 pokemon with split mega evolutions. This is pretty much an extension of that treatment, they're basically paying homage to the game that kicked off the franchise. It does help that it can be used to mask not being creative but I don't have a huge issue with it long as we get enough new pokemon.
     
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    XY literally copied Viridian forest into the game. All of the games since pt have had a bunch of references to Kanto.

    I'm guessing it was designed to make the world feel more cohesive, but it's also really dumb fanservice for genoner people.
     
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    Some puns regarding the new grass starter line:

    Rowlet went from having a bow....... to having a bow.

    Decidueye's signature move prevents enemies from escaping
    It basically ties them down with its bow
    BOW TIE

    It is Robin Hoot !!
     
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    Starter stats datamine.
     
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    They seem... very low, overall. Also very slow, collectively. Are these confirmed, or just speculation?
     
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    they're from the game's files apparently
     
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    All of their BSTs round out to 530 so they're par of the course for starter pokemon.
     
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    So this guy released BSTs and movesets of all pokemon, including Alolan forms.

    And it turns out Muk is now a Poison/Dark with the following ability: Power of Alchemy: "The pokemon copies the ability of a defeated ally". So you could give this an Air Balloon and make sure Shedinja dies next to it in a double battle, so this gets Wonder Guard?

    WONDERTOMB IS BACK EVERYONE
     
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    Assuming those stats etc are correct the popleo thingy seems like a potent special attacker although slow (scarf would out speed base 110s I suppose) and water fairy seems a good typing. What I'm really interested in is Liquid Voice which makes sound moves water type. Would this boost power by 30% like the -ates do which would make hyper voice like a better hydro pump? If not scald is probably the better option
    Edit: will -ates even keep the 30% boost? Stay tuned to find out!
     
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    Primarina/Incineroar has the same base speed as Magnezone so yeah, scarf will outspeed base 110s.
    Also wishing that Decidueye's Special Defense was switched with its Speed. Cuz man, I am still crying over that spread.... ;_;
     
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    Ahh, fair enough. I was reading on a tiny screen, so they weren't all that clear lol
     
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    Going to comment on all the information that is being leaked. As it is still pre-release, it is in the spoiler tags, due to the massive spoilers.

    Rowlet - Long Reach seems like a nice ability. Rocky Helmet / Iron Barbs / Rough Skin all not activated for a start is good. Gets Defog and Roost, which is awesome. Brave Bird and Leaf Blade are solid physical STABs, and it gets Swords Dance via TM. IT GETS NASTY PLOT VIA LEVEL UP. Energy Ball is a decent special attack. Curse Rowlet in LC?

    Dartrix - is just better Rowlet

    Decidueye - Spirit Shackle is 80 BP. That is completely usable. Confirms that Decidueye doesn't get Levitate though, which annoys me. Gets U-turn at Level 1 too, which is awesome. Wtih Shadow Claw being the only other physical Ghost move it gets, Spirit Shackle is almost mandatory on it. I didn't see if its pre-evos got Shadow Ball, but this one does, so that's good. Base 70 Speed is awful though, same Speed as Breloom. This is going to be my starter btw :P

    Litten - Intimidate is an awesome ability, no reason to not use it when able to. Nasty Plot on Litten too! It gets Outrage by level up... ok. It gets U-turn as well. It has the makings of a good mon.

    Torracat - is faster, stronger Litten. Keep it up!

    Incineroar - AFGTRDFFDVBHDTGVRTGYHG. WHY. Ok, it at least looks like a Physical attacker, and it still looks awesome. But why has it suddenly gone down to Base 60 Speed? The bloody bird is faster than that! It'll be a decent attacker, with its Dark-type moves, Flare Blitz, Cross Chop, Earthquake, Swords Dance, Bulk Up, and Flame Charge, but I cannot see it rising outside of the bottom 2 tiers.

    TM59 - Brutal Swing - "The user swings its body around violently to inflict damage on everything in its vicinity." (Base 60, Dark-type, Physical, 100 accuracy). This has gotta be a move for Doubles etc, seems useless in singles.

    Popplio - Water Voice is crap, unless it gets access to Boomburst, then it could be interesting. If it also boosts the power of the moves, that would make it absolutely amazing. It confirms that it gets Moonblast though, which is nice.

    Brionne - A better Popplio, which is nice.

    Primarina - ...ok, whilst I don't think it looks good, I think this is going to be the most usable of all the starters in terms of competitive Pokémon. Water / Fairy is a good type, and whilst Azumarill hangs around to OU thanks to its amazing power combined with good bulk, Primarina is a significantly better special wall who can switch into Scald relatively easily. Strong Scalds and Moonblasts should play a notable factor in Primarina's tier placement, but its lack of reliable recovery will play a part. It also doesn't get Boomburst, so both of its abilities are pretty terrible. I think it has the strongest case for either OU or UU this generation, but I suspect it'll be below that.

    Pikipek - Keen Eye / Skill Link / Pickup. Obviously, Skill Link is the superior option. Pretty good stats for an offensive crappy bird, should be good early on. Brave Bird, Smack Down, Brick Break, Return, U-turn, Flame Charge... nice stuff for very early game.

    Trumbeak - slight improvement on its offenses, but its biggest improvement is its defenses, which aren't as crap anymore. This could go either way.

    Toucannon - ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME. Sheer Force replacing Pickup is a very good change but it doesn't seem like most of its moves are even boosted by it. Why are Game Freak making everything so fucking slow? Beak Blast is a Flying-type Hyper Beam that causes burns if hit whilst charging it, which is just... ehhh. It gets Rock Blast and Bullet Seed, which is cool for using with Skill Link. I think Skill Link is probably still the best of its abilities. Base 120 Attack isn't bad for a Normal / Flying type, but it is just so slow... see you in NU, dude.

    Yungoos - Stakeout is crap for in-game, has some use otherwise. Strong Jaw could see some use, depends on what Fang moves it gets. Adaptability as a hidden is ok, if only for the super-powered Normal-type moves. Seems to get Bite and Crunch currently, let's see what its evo gets...

    Gumshoos - I hate his name, btw. Trump also only gets Bite and Crunch. Basically, if you want a second STAB in Crunch, get Strong Jaw. Otherwise, try its other shit. Base 110 Attack is good, but the rest of its stats are crap. NU for you.

    Grubbin - It only gets Swarm. Makes sense. It doesn't half get some decent moves by levelling up though: X-Scissor, Bite, Acrobatics, Spark... and its BST is 300, which is not bad at all for a crappy Bug-type base form. This could be interesting. It gets Poison Jab and Wild Charge via TM too!

    Charjabug - I tell you what, with Battery, Evolite Charjabug might just see some use in Doubles. Its stats aren't brilliant yet, but its defenses are surprisingly good. Access to Volt Switch gives it an option to get out of there too. Interesting.

    Vikavolt - OH COME THE FUCK ON! Base 43 Speed is fucking awful! Sure, Levitate is amazing, but come on! Its Attack stat is worse than Charjabug's, which forces you to run Vikavolt specially... but at least that Base 145 Special Attack is worth using! New Pokémon for Trick Room! Thunderbolt, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Energy Ball, Hidden Power makes up the entirety of its Special movepool, however. It truly will be a one-trick pony. It's going to hit like a fucking truck, but there is no way that this is making it any higher than LU.

    Crabrawler - Hyper Cutter / Iron Fist / Anger Point. Power-Up Punch, Crabhammer, Close Combat and Payback by level up are all awesome moves. It gets Stone Edge, Earthquake and Thief via TM too, as well as Superpower as an Egg move. It could do with some Punch moves and a move to hit Ghost-types.

    Crabominable - ANOTHER POKÉMON THAT LOSES BASE SPEED! Fighting / Ice is actually amazing offensively, with both types being two of the best offensive types. Shame that it doesn't actually work defensively. It gets Ice Punch, making Iron Fist creep in as a useful option again... until you see Ice Hammer. Ice-typed Wood Hammer on something with shit Speed? Hell yeah! If Ice Hammer gets boosted by Iron Fist, it might be worth using Iron Fist, but I think Hyper Cutter is the only useful ability here.

    Oricorio - eh, generic and crap for the most part. Revelation Dance is the same type that it is, ignoring the Flying-type part, which gives it a solid STAB move regardless of its typing, but its movepool is just awful past that.

    Cutiefly - Honey Gather / Shield Dust / Sweet Veil. Sweet Veil probably the best ability. Its stats are ass, even if it does get Moonblast and Quiver Dance. Let's move on.

    Ribombee - HERE WE GO. THE FIRST 100+ BASE SPEED GEN 7 MON. REJOICE! Pollen Puff is going to make Ribombee a solid choice to use in Doubles. Quiver Dance / Moonblast / Pollen Puff or Bug Buzz / Psychic or HP. Base 95 Special Attack at the start. Base 124 Speed. This is actually pretty good! It probably won't reach the upper echelons of the tiering system, but it'll be a solid threat wherever it lands.

    Rockruff - Keen Eye / Vital Spirit / Steadfast. Vital Spirit is the best one there. Fire Fang, Thunder Fang, Sucker Punch, Crunch, Rock STAB, Rock Polish via TM... not too bad at all.

    Lycanroc - BACK TO BACK BASE 100+ SPEED MONS! REJOICE! On normal Lycanroc, Vital Spirit becomes Sand Rush, so it is clearly the best choice. Accelrock is a Rock-typed Quick Attack, which is actually really good. It gets Swords Dance and Stealth Rock. Base 115 Attack with Base 112 Speed as a pure-Rock-type. This could have been OU... but it doesn't get Earthquake. Its coverage outside of Rock is pretty bad overall. Might see UU if it is lucky. Lycanroc Midnight is fucking terrible, don't use it.

    Wishiwashi - Its stats normally are absolutely horrid. It is legitimately the weakest Pokémon in the game, at Base 175. Sunkern, you've been retired. So, we're going to ignore it, and move onto its School form.

    Wishiwashi (School) - First point: It retains its terrible Base 45 HP. Second point: It retains its fucking horrible Base 30 Speed. Third point: get it at low enough HP, and it is back to being the worst Pokémon in the game. Now the positives: 140 Attack and Special Attack, 130 Defense and Special Defense. It gets both decent STABs in Surf / Scald and Waterfall / Aqua Tail, and it gets Earthquake... but that's about it. It gets U-turn, I guess. It's just... not going to be any good. It can't really take a hit, as that low Base HP means that strong hits will still do over half of its health despite the very good stats. It can't really get past Water-types at all without Hidden Power. It might end up, by its sheer amount of power, being banned from NU, but even that seems unlikely.

    Mareanie - Merciless looks very interesting. Critical hits all the time if the opponent is poisoned? It gets Toxic Spikes ffs. Limber isn't a bad ability either. Still, neither will get used - Regenerator is its Hidden Ability. It gets Recover as a Poison / Water mon, so its evolution might just replace Tentacruel. Liquidation is Water STAB that can lower the opponent's Defense.

    Toxapex - This thing will not die. Regenerator, Recover, Baneful Bunker (a Protect that poisons anyone who makes contact), Toxic Spikes, Venoshock, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Scald, Ice Beam, the ability to RestTalk, Base 152 Defense, Base 142 Special Defense... this thing is OU or UU for sure. It isn't particularly good at attacking, its Base HP is only 50, and its Speed is awful, but this thing is awesome. There's only 2 things that I think would have made it better: Rapid Spin or Defog, and a little bit more Special Attack. Amazing.

    Mudbray - IT IS SO CUTE. Own Tempo might be good, depending on its moves. Stamina is... eh. Inner Focus might be useful. Close Combat is an Egg move for it. "High Horsepower" is a 95 BP Physical move which I would assume only hits the targetted Pokémon, which may be useful in Doubles if you don't want to hit your partner, I suppose. Obviously gets Earthquake, but only gets Rock Slide and not Stone Edge. Base 100 Attack on a pre-evo is good, this might be useful in LC. Shame Own Tempo IS useless.

    Mudsdale - Why. WHY IS EVERYTHING LOSING BASE SPEED? It went from Base 45 as Mudbray to 35 as Mudsdale. Are you trying to fill up NU or something? Base 100 HP and Defense with Base 85 Special Defense isn't terrible at all, and Base 125 Attack is certainly workable. It gets Heavy Slam, which is useful as only Mega Metagross, Groudon and Primal Groudon weigh more than Mudsdale, so it will always be really powerful. Could be useful to use, and I suspect that this might just climb out of NU.

    Dewpider - Water Bubble acts like Fireproof and Water Veil combined, so it's a good ability. Its Hidden Ability is Water Absorb though. Both are good options. I like its design also. I'll just comment on its evo though.

    Araquanid - I really like this design. Lunge looks like a good attack - Bug-typed, Base 80, and lowers the target's Attack stat. Considering this is a defensive mon, that's cool. Leech Life's boost to Base 80 power makes it a good option too. It also gets Scald, like every other Water-type to exist. Its HP is a bit poor at base 68, its Defense is okay at Base 92, and its Special Defense is great at 132. Bug / Water is a really solid typing defensively, so it's a shame it doesn't get something like Recover. Could have some use in the lower tiers.

    Fomantis - Leaf Guard is bad. Leaf Guard is bad. Contrary is... oh god, here we go again. It gets Leaf Storm, so that's good. Weather Ball is a good move to have. It gets Leaf Blade for the physical side. It gets Defog. It gets Swords Dance, Leech Life and Energy Ball too. Can't comment more really.

    Lurantis - It has 480 BST. 45 Speed is ass, but the rest of its stats are alright, especially a Base 105 Attack. Solar Blade is apparently Base 125, making it stronger than Solarbeam. It also gets Synthesis. Low Sweep and Poison Jab are coverage options. This has the makings of a decent Grass-type. It just needed 1 more evolution to actually make it good.

    Morelull - Illuminate is fucking dreadful. Effect Spore is unreliable. Rain Dish is situational. A shame. It gets Moonblast, Thunder Wave and Moonlight, and is otherwise your standard Grass-type with added Fairy.

    Shiinotic - Strength Sap is interesting: "The user restores its HP by the same amount as the target's Attack stat. It also lowers the target's Attack stat." Combined with Spore and its typing, this could make for a decent Pokémon... in the lower tiers. Its stats overall are pretty bad, with its Special Defense being the only thing of real merit. Combined with Strength Sap, though, this could be an interesting thing to use.

    Salandit - 71 Special Attack and 71 Speed makes for a decent early-game mon. Please still be good after this! Corrosion is by far the best ability it gets, with its Hidden Ability being Oblivious. It seems to get Dragon Pulse via level as well as Flamethrower. It needs a TM to get a Poison STAB better than Venoshock, however. Just run Toxic and poison everything, it'll be fine. It has literally 0 coverage outside of Normal / Poison / Fire currently, but it gets Nasty Plot. Come on, please don't fuck this up...

    Salazzle - ...ok its defenses are pretty terrible, but YES IT IS FAST AND STRONG WOOOOO! Shame it still doesn't get any other moves. Nasty Plot / Sludge Wave / Flamethrower or Fire Blast / Hidden Power or Status or something else idk. Certainly going to be a one-trick pony, but it can hit Heatran and Chansey with Toxic and come back another time to sweep. Can't see it remaining OU, but it might enjoy some time there. It's also going on my in-game team!

    Stufful - Fluffy / Klutz / Cute Charm. A terrible Hidden Ability, a fairly useless 2nd ability in Klutz due to a lack of Trick and so on, and Fluffy makes contact moves do half damage at the cost of a Fire-type weakness. I think they're all pretty useless. It gets Stomping Tantrum, which gets its 75 BP doubled if its previous attack fails, and is a Ground-type move. It also gets Ice Punch and Thunder Punch as egg moves too. Hammer Arm, Superpower and Double-Edge make for strong STAB moves learned by level. Earthquake, Brutal Swing, Rock Slide and Swords Dance are also decent moves it has access to.

    Bewear - Cute Charm is replaced by Unnerve, which is probably the best ability to use on it. Base 125 Attack is decent, as is Bas 120 HP, but it is still quite slow and isn't that bulky either. Could get some use in lower tiers.

    Bounsweet - Its stats are awful, but it's a 3-stage evo mon, so that is mostly expected. Leaf Guard is crap, Oblivious is crap, Sweet Veil is passable due to making it immune to... Hypnosis and Relic Song, I guess? Synthesis, Play Rough, and Rapid Spin are its most notable moves. I suspect the last two will be very notable later on too.

    Steenee - Its stats are still pretty awful. It gets Leaf Storm and Low Sweep. That's about it.

    Tsareena - Oblivious gets replaced with Queenly Majesty, so you want to be getting Oblivious first. Trop Kick drops the opponent's Attack, and is Grass and 70 BP with 100 accuracy. The problem is that Trop Kick is its best Physical STAB move to use off of its Base 120 Attack stat, instead of its crap Base 50 Special Attack. It gets Aromatherapy, High Jump Kick and U-turn. Base 72 Speed isn't the best, but its defenses are not too bad, with 72 HP, 98 Defense and 98 Special Defense. Could have some use overall thanks to Rapid Spin, but I can't see it as high as UU.

    Comfey - Flower Veil / Triage / Natural Cure. Flower Veil is terrible in singles, and is outclassed outside of singles. Natural Cure is a solid ability for almost any Pokémon. Triage's priority for healing moves still needs further investigation... does it give priority to Draining Kiss, Giga Drain etc as well as Recover? Does it help with Aromatherapy? Comfey's ability to be a good Pokémon depends on more information. Anyway, its base HP is poor at 51, its Defense is decent at Base 90 and its Special Defense is solid at Base 110. 52 Base Attack is useless, but its Special Attack is Base 82... which is alright? Base 100 Speed is solid though. Interestingly, it doesn't get Moonblast, but it does get Play Rough. It has a unique recovery move, Floral Healing, which heals more in Grassy Terrain. Luckily, it does get Dazzling Gleam, but its movepool is most Grass-type moves. I just think it's not going to be as good as all the other Fairy-types that currently exist. It might see use somewhere near to LU, if not down in NU.

    Oranguru - Inner Focus is the only ability to use for it, as Telepathy and Symbiosis are both Doubles abilities only. It seems like a decent specially defensive Pokémon in terms of stats. It has Nasty Plot and Calm Mind, so you could choose either option for boosting. Interestingly, it seems to get a really nice selection of Physical moves... but its Attack is crap at base 60. I think it is really outclassed by Meloetta, so it will probably hit NU at best.

    Passimian - Receiver is useless outside of Doubles, so you need to try and get his Hidden Ability, which is Defiant. Base 120 Attack is solid, but Base 80 Speed means it will likely need a Choice Scarf to do much. Its physical bulk is pretty good, though its Special Defense is lacking. It gets Close Combat via level, Iron Head via Egg move, Earthquake, Rock Slide and U-turn, and doesn't really get a solid Dark-type move with more than 60 BP. It gets some nice special attacks, but its Base 40 Special Attack renders that useless. It doesn't even get Swords Dance... Choice Scarf Passimian it is then.

    Wimpod - Wimp Out makes it switch out at less than 50% HP. To reflect that it is a total wimp, its stats are awful, with the exception of base 80 Speed. Thank god it evolves. It only gets Struggle Bug and Sand Attack from level up, so evolve it asap! It gets Spikes, Aqua Jet, Leech Life, Scald and Waterfall from other means, which may come in handy.

    Golisopod - GUESS WHAT IS LOSING BASE SPEED??? It gets the Emergency Exit ability... which is exactly the same as Wimp Out, but with a different name. REALLY??? Unique move First Impression is a 90 BP Bug-type move... that only works the 1st turn Golisopod is on the field. It's a Fake Out that has no priority, no flinch chance, and more power. No thanks. Once you're past those issues, it does get Swords Dance, Razor Shell, Sucker Punch, Pin Missle, Liquidation (which should be your move of choice for the Defense drop), X-Scissor and Rock Slide. Shame that once you set up an SD, you have to switch out because of the damage you've taken. What could have been such a solid mon, wasted.

    Sandygast - Sand Veil is its Hidden Ability... so basically, you're using Water Compaction for the Defense boost. It gets Shore Up, which is a recovery move that heals more in a sandstorm. Could see some use alongside Tyranitar I guess? It is a slow, special attacking physical wall currently. Will that continue?

    Palossand - Yes it will. 85 Base HP and 75 Base Special Defense aren't great when compared to something like Hippowdon. The Base 110 Defense is welcome though. It has base 100 Special Attack, though the base 75 Attack isn't completely useless. Don't look up its Speed. Don't. It's just a Ghost-type with Ground-type moves, essentially: Shadow Ball, Earth Power, Shore Up, Giga Drain, Psychic, Energy Ball... a shame that it doesn't get Stealth Rock though.

    Pyukumuku - Shuckle and Munchlax are now tied with this guy for slowest Pokémon with 5 Base Speed. Yay. It is simply a support Pokémon. Base 55 HP is poor, though its Base 130 Defense and Special Defense are pretty good. Attack is Base 60... Special Attack is Base 30... great. It legitimately gets no attacking moves anyway, so what's the fucking point? Innards Out is a nice novelty. Its Hidden Ability is Unaware, which is useless on it. Use Taunt, this loses, it can only use Counter or Bide. It does get Purify, a nice move that heals its status condition, and if it works, it also heals its HP. It's basically this generation's Shedinja - it is based around a novelty idea that will work in the right situation, but has the ability to be completely stopped by one or two options. At least this guy has more than 1 HP.

    Type: Null - this is not able to be found in the wild, which I think we all expected. Base 95 across the board, except for a Base 59 speed, and Battle Armor as its ability. It cannot breed. It is genderless. It's a legend, if you ask me. Crush Claw, X-Scissor, Metal Sound, Iron Head, Punishment, Air Slash, Double-Edge... all fairly solid level-up moves. It gets Work Up, Dragon Claw, Aerial Ace, Flame Charge, Shadow Claw, Thunder Wave, Rock Slide, U-turn and Swords Dance as its TM moves. It is clearly made as a Pokémon that is restrained in what it can do. I suspect Silvally will be a lot better.

    Silvally - ...I did not expect its stats to not change, with the exception of Speed becoming Base 95 too. Multi-Attack is its signature move, Base 90 move of the same type as Silvally according to the RKS System ability he has. All the Fang moves become Level 1 moves. It gets Bite and Crunch and Tri-Attack. Parting Shot becomes a level-up move. It can learn Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Explosion, Surf and Draco Meteor. It's just... why? In almost every case, there's a Pokémon of the type in question that you can use that is going to do a better job than Silvally. It'll be a monster in the lower tiers, but it won't be reaching OU. I'd put money on that.

    Minior - Prior to losing its shell (upon reaching below half health), it has 100 Base Defense, 100 Base Special Defense, and 60 Base everything else. Once its shell breaks, its defensive stats become Base 60, its Attack and Special Attack become Base 100 and its Speed becomes Base 120. Combine this knowledge with the fact that Minior learns Shell Smash, and you have a potentially very dangerous Pokémon. Its only notable level-up moves are Explosion and Power Gem, but its TMs help to make up for it: Earthquake, Psychic, Acrobatics (for use with White Herb Shell Smash?), Stone Edge, U-turn and Dazzling Gleam make up its notable moves. Shell Smash White Herb with EQ / Acrobatics / Stone Edge? Even if it doesn't do well in the higher tiers, it can certainly do well in the lower tiers. Keep an eye on this.

    Komala - I LOVE THIS MON. Overall, its stats aren't great. Base 65 in HP, Defense and Speed, Base 75 in Special Attack and Base 95 in Special Defense leave me a bit unhappy. The Base 115 Attack is welcome though. Shame about the Normal-typing. It gets Wish, Play Rough, Rapid Spin, Sucker Punch, Wood Hammer, Thrash, Earthquake, Swords Dance, Rock Slide, Acrobatics, U-turn, Low Sweep... not a terrible set of moves, it just wishes it were better. It is worth noting that it cannot learn Rest, but can learn Sleep Talk, which definitely implies that its ability Comatose puts it to sleep when it enters the battle, making it completely immune to all other statuses. I hope that's true. Can't see Komala being too notable, but I sure wish I could make a team with it.

    Turtonator - those stats are just... I think this guy is trying to mimic Torkoal. Base135 Defense, and everything else is pretty terrible. Fire / Dragon is a nice typing, and being immune to crits thanks to Shell Armor is welcome, but it's just not that good. Shell Trap apparently has 150 Base Power, so be careful about hitting this guy with a physical move. Past that, it's a generic Dragon-type who gets all the stuff a Fire-type would get also. Really lacklustre imo.

    Togedamaru - Electric / Steel, but it's just not Magnezone. Iron Barbs is a nice ability, Lightningrod would be better if it increased Attack, and Sturdy is always welcome. Base 98 Attack, Base 96 Speed, the rest is forgettable, and so is this Pokémon. Twinneedle, Spiky Shield and Fell Stinger are all interesting moves that it gets access to, but it just doesn't seem that good at all. NU or bust imo.

    Mimikyu - If my avatar didn't say it by now, I absolutely love Mimikyu, and he is going into my main team. Base 96 Speed is better than I thought it was going to be! Base 105 Special Defense isn't terrible either. Base 90 Attack is okay. Base 80 Defense is not too bad. Base 55 HP and Base 50 Special Attack is crap. Disguise is confirmed by the ability's text to only work once per battle too, so you cannot keep switching it in for the fun of it. Make use of it carefully! Wood Hammer, Shadow Sneak, Play Rough, Shadow Claw, Bulk Up, Pain Split, Leech Life, Thunder Wave, Swords Dance and X-Scissor, combined with a fair selection of Special moves that are generally inferior, make this a pretty decent Pokémon. Free setup or free stop to a Pokémon in revenge? I really hope it'll reach OU, but I think LU or thereabouts is where it will finish.

    Bruxish - Dazzling stop priority, Strong Jaw improves Poison Fang and Ice Fang, and Wonder Skin is crap. Strong Jaw would also boost Bruxish's unique move, Psychic Fangs, which is base 85 power and can break Reflect and Light Screen too. It gets Waterfall too, and it can use Swords Dance but it lacks anything past the moves I've already mentioned. Base 105 Attack and Base 92 Speed with Base 68 HP and Base 70 everything else? Won't break OU, but might make a case for anything below that.

    Drampa - Slightly tough decision with abilities here. Berserk is a +1 Special Attack boost when you drop below 50%. Sap Sipper gives you an immunity to Sleep Powder, Leech Seed and other moves... it also boosts Attack, but Base 60 Attack isn't the best. Cloud Nine stops weather. It has Base 36 Speed, so it isn't going to be a tough sweeper, but that's fine. Its defensive stats aren't the best, but they're solid, giving Drampa a solid base to work from in the lower tiers. Luckily, it has a Base 135 Special Attack to work with also. Outside of Megas and Legends, that's the strongest STAB Draco Meteor in the game given to this little shit. It also gets other amazing moves: Hyper Voice, Dragon Pulse, Hurricane, Glare, Extrasensory, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Energy Ball, Grass Knot, Thunder Wave and Surf. This is going to hit like a truck, if the truck is able to actually get past Special walls.

    Dhelmise - Ghost/Grass? Because we didn't already get 2 of them last generation? Ugh. Its ability, Steelworker, seems to give it a third STAB, which is nice. It gets a unique move, Anchor Shot, which is basically the same as Spirit Shackle. This could make this guy interesting. Base 131 Attack, Base 86 Special Attack, decent defensive stats, slow speed... Gyro Ball set could work! It gets Heavy Slam, Phantom Force and Power Whip as the levels go on, but early on, it looks almost dedicated to special attacks. It gets Switcheroo, Rapid Spin, Earthquake and Rock Slide as well. Could be an interesting Pokémon, and I daren't say where it'll end up.

    Jangmo-o - We already knew about Bulletproof, and that's an awesome ability. We already knew about Soundproof, and how that's actually an awesome ability due to the increase in Pixilate Hyper Voice. Its last ability must be awesome too! Overcoat isn't too bad, immunity to Sleep Powder, Spore and weather damage, but I feel like it isn't as good as the other two for Jangmo-o.

    Hakamo-o - The added Fighting-type gives it a ton more decent moves. Sky Uppercut, Dragon Tail, Noble Roar???, Dragon Dance, Dragon Claw, Outrage, Earthquake, Rock Slide, X-Scissor, Swords Dance, Draco Meteor... granted, most of those were also on Jangmo-o, but I needed something to put here, right?

    Kommo-o - The pseudo-legend of Generation 7. Base 75 HP, Base 110 Attack, Base 125 Defense, Base 100 Special Attack, Base 105 Special Defense and Base 85 Speed. Choice Scarf or Dragon Dance seems the most likely. Bulky Dragon Dance is an option, as is mixed. Clanging Scales is a Base 110 power Dragon-type Special Attack with drops Kommo-o's Defense after use, making it more powerful than Dragon Pulse, and outdamaging 2 uses of Draco Meteor, despite the weaker inital power. Unfortunately, its only other non-Dragon-type Special options are Flash Cannon, Flamethrower and Focus Blast, so Physical is almost always better. It gets access to Belly Drum as well, providing another potential setup method. I think that despite the lower Speed and Attack when compared to Haxorus, this guy might just fare better than Haxorus overall, partially due to the Fighting-type STAB.

    Tapu Koko - his Attack is Base 115, and his Special Attack is Base 95. That's disappointing. Base 130 Speed isn't though! Brave Bird, Wild Charge, Thunderbolt, Agility, Volt Switch, U-turn, Grass Knot, Thunder Wave... I feel like he could have been so much better if made purely Special, and given Moonblast. Oh well.

    Tapu Lele - 130 Special Attack, 95 Speed, 115 Special Defense. Calm Mind, Psychic, Moonblast, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Energy Ball, Grass Knot... you can make something out of that.

    Tapu Bulu - 130 Attack, 115 Defense, 75 Speed. Superpower, Horn Leech, Megahorn, but no Play Rough. Another missed opportunity here.

    Tapu Fini - Primarina, you have competition! Moonblast, Hydro Pump, Scald, Defog, Ice Beam, Taunt, Shadow Ball... Arguably the most useful of the 4 guardians.

    Cosmog - Exists for plot reasons, can't attack due to only having Splash and Teleport, it has Unaware, moving on.

    Cosmoem - Seems to also exist for plot reasons, evolves from Cosmog, I'd assume. It gets Cosmic Power and has Sturdy. Apparently, this thing evolves into BOTH of the legends. Moving on.

    Solgaleo - Clear Body clone for its ability. Sunsteel Strike is base 100 power Physical Steel-type move that ignores the opponent's abilities. Base 97 speed, but its stats are solid overall. The ability to go Special exists, but is probably not as good. Solid Pokémon, bored of writing about Pokémon now.

    Lunaala - Multiscale clone for its ability, but it still dies to any Dark- or Ghost-type move. Moongeist Beam is a Special Ghost-typed Sunsteel Strike. It is basically a Psychic / Ghost Solgaleo that is more Special than Physical. We might end up seeing this in OU, if things go badly for it.

    Nihilego - UB01? Rock / Poison = MEET EQ MOTHERFUCKERRRRRR. Terrible Attack and Defense, 103 Speed, 127 Special Attack, 131 Special Defense, 109 HP, there's a chance it could be alright. Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes, Power Gem, Thunderbolt, Psychic, Sludge Bomb + Wave, Grass Knot, Dazzling Gleam... not bad, but dead to most Physical things.

    Buzzwole - UB02 Big one. Bug / Fighting = pls don't be better than Heracross. Slower than Heracross at 79, more physically imposing with higher Attack and Defense, but dies to any Flying or Fairy-typed move, and all Special moves. Gets a lot of decent Physical moves, but it isn't Heracross, so fuck it.

    Pheromosa - UB02 Girl one. also Bug / Fighting = still pls don't be better than Heracross. SHIT IT IS. It dies if you breathe on it, but Quiver Dance, HJK, Bug Buzz, Ice Beam, Roost (so LO will be awesome), Focus Blast, Poison Jab, U-turn... shit man, that thing is gonna be Uber as fuck.

    Xurkitree - that fucking name, yo. UB03, I think. Electric-type. Base 173 Special Attack is ace, the most balanced stats past that I've seen thus far. Relatively poor Speed, but that is gonna hit like a truck.

    Celesteela - UB04, I think. Steel / Flying, so Skarmory is your competition. Most balanced overall mon, stats other than Speed all near to 100, tons of solid attacks, no recovery. Just going to be a tough SOB overall.

    Kartana - that name... UB05, I think. Grass / Steel, but ignore Ferrothorn. 181 Attack, 109 Speed, dies if you blow wind at it specially but good defense. It gets Sacred Sword, SD, Psycho Cut, X-scissor... this shit is definitely Uber.

    Guzzlord - YO THAT NAME IS ACE... UB06, I think. Dark / Dragon, but it is totally different from Hydra. Defenses are terrible, offenses around 100 each, HP is a whopping base 223. Holy shit. It's just cool as fuck too.

    Necrozma - UB07? Psychic-type, and has Solid Rock, basically. 97/101/101/127/89/79 would be awesome if its Speed were higher, but that ability combined with its typing means it might just be hard to OHKO. It also learns almost every TM, so it's gonna be a bitch to deal with.

    Magearna - Soul Heart makes Magearna stupidly broken in non-Singles formats. Fleur Cannon is a Fairy-type Draco Meteor, so that shit is gonna hurt. Interestingly, it gets Shift Gear, which might end up being on its best set purely for the Speed bost, though the Attack boost could make for a useful gimmick. Aura Sphere, Flash Cannon, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Brick Break (for use with Shift Gear?), Focus Blast, Energy Ball, Explosion, Volt Switch, Thunder Wave, Grass Knot, Dazzling Gleam... good set of moves there. It also gets Calm Mind, which could very well be the boosting move of choice with a defensively EV'd set. No matter which way I look at it, I see Magearna as a very good Pokémon, and it might just find its way to Ubers.

    Marshadow - first off, Technician is an amazing ability. Secondly, Fighting / Ghost is THE BEST TYPE COMBO EVER. Priority STAB Technician-boosted Shadow Sneak? Check. Drain Punch? Check. Decent Physical coverage moves? Check. Strong STAB moves? Check. Broken as fuck signature move that steals the opponent's stat boosts? Check. Ability to learn an absolute fuckton of TMs? Check. Decent stats? 90/125/80/90/90/125, check. This thing is fucking awesome.

    Rattata - Gluttony / Hustle / Thick Fat. I know which one I'd prefer. Needs a TM to get a better Normal-type move than Quick Attack, but all the solid Dark-type moves are there.

    Raticate - +20 HP, -10 Atk, +10 Def, -10 SAtk, +10 SDef, -20 Speed. I do not like those stat changes. It doesn't even get Flame Wheel anymore. The only positive is the STAB on the Dark-type moves. A shame.

    Raichu - -5 Atk, -5 Def, +5 SAtk, -5 SDef. A slight boost to its Special Attack is more than welcome. Surge Surfer is its only ability, which is an Electric Terrain Swift Swim. Ok.

    Sandshrew - Snow Cloak / Snow Cloak / Slush Rush. Yes, Slush Rush. Yes, it is Sand Rush but in hail. Icicle Spear and Icicle Crash are both Egg moves. Ice Ball, Iron Head and Swords Dance are all level.

    Sandslash - Icicle Spear and Icicle Crash are both Level 1 moves, so Move Relearner is your friend. It doesn't learn any moves by level-up past Level 1, so it will evolve using the new Ice Stone. +10 Def, +10 SDef, -20 SAtk is good for it.

    Vulpix - Snow Cloak / Snow Cloak / Snow Warning. No one is surprised by Snow Warning, right? Freeze-Dry and Moonblast are Egg moves. Decent level-up moves for in-game btw, might be worth investing in Vulpix.

    Ninetales - egg moves from Vulpix make sense now, don't they? Ice / Fairy is a weird typing. -9 Atk, +9 Spd. Minor change in base stats, but a very welcome one indeed. Dazzling Gleam and Nasty Plot are both Level 1 moves. Ice Stone evolution was pretty much already confirmed here.

    Meowth - Pickup / Technician / Rattled. Only Rattled changed. Parting Shot is an egg move, which is cool. Nasty Plot, Dark Pulse, Bite, Pay Day, the expected level-up moves are there. Thunderbolt is there for decent coverage as a TM.

    Persian - IT LOOKS SO FUCKING BAD. Fur Coat replaces Pickup. -10 Atk, +10 SAtk. That change is a nod towards using Nasty Plot Persian, I guess. It still gets Power Gem, and U-turn is a TM move for it too.

    Geodude - Magnet Pull / Sturdy / Galvanize. Galvanize is Pixilate or Aerilate but for Electric-type moves. Double-Edge Golem, let's get it. Basically, Mud-Slap, Earthquake and the like have been replaced with Spark, Thunderpunch and Discharge.

    Graveler - It gets Stealth Rock still!

    Golem - Its Base Stats are unchanged. Electric-typed Explosion... sounds tasty... It does get Earthquake, so Magnet Pull is an option if you think it is worth doing. Do remember that you die if anyone breathes a Ground-type move on you though. Sturdy is probably best until Galvanize becomes available, and you can Electric Explosion.

    Grimer - Poison Touch, Gluttony, Power of Alchemy. Pair it up with Mega Medicham, watch it copy that sweet Pure Power! Gunk Shot and Knock Off, but no Sucker Punch? What?

    Muk - Its Base Stats are unchanged. Worth noting that Muk gets Pursuit via Egg move too. It gets Bite and Crunch, but it just doesn't get Sucker Punch. It still gets Curse though, so you can try and go that route still.

    Exeggutor - +10 Atk, +10 SDef, -10 Spd. +10 BST, it is now a 530 BST Pokémon. I'm using this in my team. Dragon Hammer is apparently Physical, and that's why it got the Attack boost. Frisk / Frisk / Harvest for its abilities. Worth noting that because it is now a Dragon-type, it can use Flamethrower now. It is such an improvement. Shame about the Chlorophyll though.

    Marowak - Its Base Stats are unchanged. Cursed Body / Lightningrod / Rock Head. Rock Head is actually now amazing, because Marowak would like to use Flare Blitz. That being said, Lightningrod is now actually useful, as it isn't normally immune to Electric-type moves anymore. Shadow Bone is Base 85 Physical Ghost-type move, and Marowak still gets its own Bone moves too. It also looks cool as hell. I might use this in my team.

    Diglett - RIP IN ARENA TRAP. Sand Veil / Tangling Hair / Sand Force. Tangling Hair makes any Pokémon that makes contact with Diglett have its Speed lowered 1 stage. Iron Head STAB is nice I guess, but without Arena Trap, rip in Diglett.

    Dugtrio - +20 Atk, +10 Def, -10 Spd. +20 BST, it is now a 425 BST Pokémon. The Attack boost was very much welcome, but the drop in Speed sucks. Combine THAT with the loss of Arena Trap, and why would you want to use Dugtrio? BECAUSE IT IS FUCKING FABIO, THAT'S WHY.

    10% - Power Construct, turns into beastly form under 50% HP. 54/100/71/61/85/115. I actually think those stats are better than 50%'s. Nothing has really changed past that.

    Complete - Holy fuck balls. Ok, so compared to Zygarde 50%, Complete has: -10 Spd, +108 HP. Its BST is 708. Amazing. That does mean it is kinda lacking in power and Speed though, just like normal Zygarde 50%. At least it gets a better shot at using Dragon Dance. One question though: Where's Thousand Arrows, Thousand Waves and Core Enforcer?
     
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    I wanna point out that I think Necrozma isn't an Ultra Beast, but rather a 3rd to the main legend trio.
    It lacks the beast boost ability. It's also psychic and its stats are non comparable with the other ultra beasts.
     
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    WTF
    THEY REMOVED LEVITATE FROM GENGAR
    THIS IS BULLSHIT

    Also everything is so fucking slow, what the fuck GF
     
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    Gengar losing Levitate? That might just see it fall to UU after all these generations, and leave Starmie as the sole overlord... sorta
     
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    No, I don't think so. While Gengar has lost Levitate it still has the stats and offensive typing to stay put in OU. I don't think it's ability being changed will hurt it that much at all. But alas, we'll miss Levitate.
    Pokemonnerd would go crazy as his beloved Snorlax can EQ Gengar yet again.