Tournament flash all player's

Discussion in 'Simulator Suggestions' started by o c:, Feb 24, 2016.

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    Since #Tournaments is starting to look more like a ghost town each passing day, I'd like to suggest a alert flash that will notify/flash all player's on Pokémon Online (Whether in #Tournaments channel or not) with the specified team loaded when a certain tourney is in signups.

    For example if a "ORAS NU" tourney is currently in signups, a notification flash will be sent out to all those player's with a NU team loaded inviting them to come join the tourney.

    Usually, when these lower tiers get saved or tiers like "Monotype" it's usually only a 4-8 player tour. Doing this will hopefully increase and save tours.

    You can do "/intier ORAS OU" and you'll see over 150+ player's in that tier battling (Depending on time zones could be more or less) and yet ORAS OU tourneys barely get 8 now a day's and barely 4 during late hour's. Same thing goes with the other tiers where they will barely be saved but if you do the "/intier" command you'll usually see quite a few more player's in that specified tier.

    #SaveTournaments
     
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  2. Nightfall Alicorn

    Nightfall Alicorn Left Pokémon Online, most likely not coming back.

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    Most people nowadays, even me, have grown an addiction to Safari. When events occur, I've seen numbers go up to 20. Most likely people wanna win Mega Stones.

    I've another idea. If flashes get too much. Chance that people only play tours to win stuff, why not slip a Big Nugget in normal tournaments, it's not a big reward like Mega Stone but if players get tired catching maybe winning some pawn-able item for money may attract players.

    I think I can implant a flash-all-in-tier function, however downside it may annoy players asking us to turn it off when they just wanna chat.

    Only tiers I play are ORAS OU, ORAS Ubers, ORAS Hackmons and Metronome, very rare Battle Factory and ORAS 1v1.
     
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    You do have a point that it may annoy those that have a 1 team but mostly only come on too chat but if it can be set to flash only for dead tiers like ORAS UU, LU, NU, 1v1 etc (Competitive player's on PC always have more than 1 team loaded) since those don't get saved as much as OU & Ubers.

    Well...OU & Ubers has been dying more recently (4 OU tourneys cancelled straight) happens daily
     
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    sulcata stéphane curry best waifu Forum Moderator Server Administrator Forum Moderator Server Administrator

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    It's a nice idea but flashing has always been associated with some sort of direct human interaction.
    i.e. someone said your name or you intentionally interacted with the scripts via some command (like joining a tour and getting flashed when the bracket is up).

    This breaks UI consistency and will be pretty irritating to boot.

    I think nightfall's got a few good points on safari though.

    edit: i just realized this was intended for the whole server, which makes it all the worse :v
     
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  5. Edna

    Edna Chasing the Dragon Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    In my opinion we could make a system that rewards kindalike tour users are rewarded by points:

    - main tiers win you a big nugget for 4 players+
    - side meta win you a nugget for 4 players, big nugget for 8+
    - Fun meta win you a big pearl for 4 players, a nugget for 8 players, big nugget for 16+

    Aside that I agree we should save tours, i've spectated myself a lot of them dying and it's really, really annoying cause it's the main part of a pokemon simulator. I agree Safari attracts people who don't play tours usually, but there's no harm trying to win these, a lot like being #1 in safari contests
     
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    Casparov This is supposed to be a Medal!

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    Just delete the safari channel problem solved
     
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    safari only increased activity in event tours tbh
     
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    Well yeah but when in /history when the only tours won are events and the rest are cancelled regular tours there's a serious problem. Something like what Nightfall and Elize stated needs to be done because it's really starting to get frustrating to be quite honest. I joined 5 different tours the other night (Only other person who joined was Ezio) and kept being told not to bother because it was gonna die anyways. And they all did.
     
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    At this point everyone knows this is a problem I'm pretty sure. Breaking the UI with annoying flashes isn't the way to fix that problem though. Proportionally speaking activity in tours has gone down as the total number of server users has gone down, so I wouldn't strictly say this is just a tours issue either. However, with a smaller userbase we should probably be trying to pull in a larger percentage of users. People aren't joining tours because they don't know that they exist, they're not joining because they're not interested/motivated. Everyone is perfectly capable of using tour alerts if they're looking for specific tours.

    It's not like people aren't aware of the problem or are refusing to try new ideas. We've tried to do a lot of things, and most of them haven't worked out. Linking tours with safari being one of the few pleasant exceptions to that.
     
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    La.Melle2402 I'm the bone of my sword

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    I like the Idea of o c that players with the loaded tier gets flashed when a tour is in sign ups. And since Safari has a big player base and tournaments is dying we have to combine them.
    We already started with prices if you win an event (mega stone) or be at least 2nd or 3rd place (rare candy iirc). Elize Lutus already suggested to give small prices for tour wins like nuggets. I like this idea too and also i would suggest to give people mega stones or some rare shiny legendary or something idk if they win the tournament leaderboard. I remember when you needed 50 points to be on leaderboard at the end of a month. Now players needs 15-20 points. So imo the people on rank 4-10 gets some items and the ranks 1, 2 and 3 gets very rare stuff. I have no idea which stuff is very rare in safari but im pretty sure it would increase the activity. It makes me sad when i type /history and see how 17 of 20 tours died, so give it a try.
    Edit: Also i dont know where else to post it so ill do it here. I think we should change the point System for some tiers. Battle Factory and BF 6v6 needs 16 players to get a point. Other tiers like inverted battle and 3v3 needs 4 player while monotype needs 8. I think we should change it to 4 for monotype and to 8 for battle factory tours.
     
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    There will be no flashing. It's annoying and makes the whole system of flashing virtually pointless.

    In terms of interactions with Safari and to not step on any toes, I think that's just up to @Fuzzysqurl and @IceKirby in terms of what they think are fair and balanced rewards. I have no objections to any of that.
     
  12. pokeboss9

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    Need longer signups, longer breaks between tours.

    Tour badges only last 1 month or so,
    Your total points get reseted after a while aswell.

    There is no Hall of Fame, There is even no changelist.
    Nothing

    I cant tell whats Gen6 OU, there were like 10 different metagames.
    Side tiers are effected by stupid bans and suspects.

    F.e Confuse Ray. My Inverted team has a lead Parafuser Regigigas,
    Now the team has lost its core, as a result i cant join a tour in that tier.

    This is just 1 example. I only build 1 team per tier.
    However this puts me at a disadvantage against someone with multiple teams.
    I could build more, but I dont trust the staff to keep a metagame intact.

    1-2 bastards can change a tier. This happened to Balanced Hackmons recently.
    No matter your leader score, arguments or tournament wins, they force a new metagame.

    When they call the metagame "balanced" Everyone makes new teams.
    When they ban something else. call the tier "more balanced". Everyone makes new teams.
    Only dumbass gay followers fall for this.

    There is a reason i like RBY.
    I want battle online, not rebuild 10 teams constantly.
    If i want rebuild a tier i join a forum tour.

    Gen 5 had some amazing tours, now i chall join a tour with 2vs2 ?
    This is barly better than a private match.
     
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    make a minor adjustment to your team, save it, join tours??

    Side metagames haven't had notably any more or less suspects than other gen 6 tiers. Not sure what you're getting on about. Can't comment on Hackmons, but I know Traceoflife is actually trying to balance the metagame. If you want to take part in tiering you can do so (and have been doing so) just by posting. I don't see an issue.

    If you don't want to play changing metagames, then [insert current generation] is probably not a good choice to play. The current generation is always about figuring out what is/isn't broken.

    Not sure what 2vs2 means.

    With that said, what does any of this have to do with Tournaments in particular? Insulting the player base and tier leaders literally doesn't get us anywhere; no point is proven other than you don't like those people.


    Tour badges are temporary so players don't just quit after making the leaderboard for the month. Perhaps they could last 1 year before being removed or some longer period of time.
     
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    SO LET'S GET THIS TOPIC BACK ON TRACK, EH?

    Flashing won't happen.
    Melle's ideas about further integration with Safari would need to be addressed by Fuzzy and Rice.
    Changing anything else Tours-wise needs to be run by @Draciel, @diamondslight and sulcata (who is already lurking the thread so I won't flash him).

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    everything below here is for pokeboss9, has nothing to do with the topic.
    Longer signups means the 3 people that join the tour before it fails go offline before the tour starts. Longer breaks between the tours means less time between tournaments failing to start - and if they do start sooner, you can capitalise on a tournament actually being played out by actually having people join.
    That's the whole point. It is meant to encourage you to keep playing. Having a 1 month leaderboard when points don't reset is kinda dumb!
    Changelist for what? There are previous topics on the forums that list exactly who was on the leaderboard that month. No need to make a Hall of Fame for it.
    http://pokemon-online.eu/threads/generation-six-tier-listings.23310/
    Lists every single main metagame. Metagames change. If you don't want to follow the changes, you might want to play a metagame that isn't still actively changing. It's no different here to any other major tiering system that goes by usage.
    If you don't like the suspects in the side metagames, and you actually play those metagames, perhaps posting in the side metagames subforum and the suspect threads therein to try and improve those metagames would be best?
    Then make another goddamn team then!
    This is a problem with you, not with the PO staff. If you don't like the tiering changes, post relevant and helpful posts in the subforums' respective suspect posts and don't just bitch for no reason.
    Once again, post in the suspect threads if you don't think things should change. The leaders follow the feelings of the players, but only if they post in the threads!
    People adapting to a shifting metagame, finding new things to use and causing further adaptation? STOP TRYING TO ADAPT GUYS, MAKE SURE THE METAGAME STAGNATES.
    RBY isn't a current-gen tier, so you can make a team for that without having the metagame change dramatically. Same goes for GSC, ADV, HGSS and BW2. Don't want to play a current-gen tier that changes? Don't. We aren't forcing you to.
    I don't even know what you're trying to say with this bit, so I'll just nod and move on.


    You outright refuse to change with the tiers, and then blame the staff for it. You constantly insult the staff and the tiers for fuck all reason.
    So, I'm going to just do all of us a favour.

    Enjoy your ban.
     
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    Once it was 3 months, but it was judged better to actually reset them every month, I am not opposed to change them to 3 months again. Longer breaks between tours nearly means 1 tour at a time, which all the tournaments staff discussed, and our conclusion was that it was better to keep it 2 tours in the same time ( if they could possibly run )

    Actually for a long moment every month tour owners ( and even me once ) used to write a long paragraph and encouraging post for tournament players so you congratulate them on their achievement, so you have no right to say there's nothing as some people try to keep PO alive, especially tours.

    As far you're talking of side tiers, you really can't say we're affected by stupid bans or suspects, a lot of us have experience in these tiers and we have a sort of mini council, in the sense we discuss a lot with players who are experienced in the tier, and some of us even try stuff on smogon so we can judge the impact they have in the metagame. If you have a solid argument to refute the suspect, to say what's wrong, then feel free to do it, however I don't feel like we banned stupid stuff and I feel currently our side metagames are quite balanced.

    This ban happened all of sudden, I can understand you're mad it's unusable, but that doesn't mean you can't modify your team and just run sub at confuse ray place for example. Also, I can't see how losing Confuse Ray breaks a team core, i'm quite lost with that reasoning.

    I won't lie, I have over 300 teams on my pc because teambuilding is one of the funniest part of Pokemon, or at least it is for me. If you plan just sitting with one team, then I don't know how you react to each tier shifts, or how do you even have fun using the same all the time, I find that quite boring.

    I can understand your frustration with the current tiering. PO playerbase is not the same it was before, and so suspect tests are severely reduced to some people trying to make it better ( LU only has 3 posters per suspects, but that doesn't mean we can change a tier that easily) which is why I find it quite silly to call these people bastards when they participate in a discussion, they share what they think of the current suspect, and give solid arguments to justify their points. Tiering always been a sort of 'elitist' system, where the people 'more famous and known to be very strong' have a stronger voice than the littles, although this is just normal. Forcing a new metagame means nothing also

    I can quite understand you like RBY since you seem to be fixed on the same teams

    wat