A New Tier?

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  1. AnuncioBot

    AnuncioBot Tome muito líquido!

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    I do not know if this is the right place to post this, so I apologize in advance.
    I would like to talk about something that for me is a must in the competitive.
    The new generation, even bringing a few new Pokémon, with the mega developments and alternate forms of some Pokémon, exceeded 800 options for us to play.
    Consequently, the tiers ended up getting "full". Anything Goes was created, and for those who know Smogon / Showdown know about the creation of PU.
    Tiers probably created to increase the viability of increasingly numerous Pokémon.
    So I stopped and thought, where else are underutilized Pokémon.
    There is a abyss between Ubers and overused.
    Pokémon banned in OU are really broken / overpower in fact, but generally do not have utility in Ubers.
    A portion of cool Pokémon are forgotten in the "Pokémon gameplay."
    Mega Mawile, Aegislash, Landorus-I, Greninja, Genesect, Hoopa-B and many others that I believe many players would like to use become unviable and without metagame.
    And this is the purpose of my post, discuss the possibility of a new tier between Ubers and OverUsed. Yes, this sounds crazy, but I believe that this new metagame would be fun and dynamic, Pokémon little used in Ubers could be gradually tested in this tier and inserted or banned, the same with Pokémon broken for OU.

    I'm sorry if I was not fully understood, I do not speak English, and I thank everyone who reads this post.
     
  2. Oh So Penspin

    Oh So Penspin Hail RNGesus, our Lord and Saviour!

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    Would potentially be a good idea, but I don't know if we have a large enough playerbase for it.
     
  3. Casparov

    Casparov This is supposed to be a Medal!

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    I like the idea though of an Ubers UU but like penguin said idk If we have the playerbase for it.
     
  4. Aurist

    Aurist I do not jump for joy. I frolic in doubt.

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    Aside from the clear playerbase issue with finding new tiers (I'd be much happier if we got an extra tier in the official list rather than this, personally) there is the thing that Aegislash, Greninja, Genesect, Mawile, Blaziken, Lucario, Kangaskhan, Salamence, Gengar, etc all see at least some regular use in Ubers leaving barely any true "BL" Ubers pokemon at all. When you get down to it the unused Ubers banned from OU boil down to just Deoxys-D, Landorus-I, Hoopa-B and Mega Metagross (if it leaves again). All other things banned from OU actually see notable use in Ubers this gen.
     
  5. OUAzumarill

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    What about things that have always been Ubers but simply aren't really viable in the current metagame? Stuff like Reshiram, Deo-N, and a couple more arguable ones like Shaymin, Kyurem-W, and Palkia.

    Also, this is kinda related, but I'd also argue we need to create some kind of PU/NEU type tier. Power creep from generation to generation is a real thing, and it seems like every new generation not only includes new and powerful Pokemon, but they also include new mechanics like hidden abilities, Mega forms, and powerful new items that drive further the gap between "good" and "bad" Pokemon. I mean, our NU tier is filled with powerhouses like Virizion, Escavalier, Lanturn, Mesprit, Uxie, Registeel, Tangrowth, Gastrodon, and Kabutops. All of these Pokemon and plenty have others in NU have spent several previous generations at the top of the lists and some of them are even still more than viable in higher tiers. All this leads to the types of Pokemon that used to be the face of NU like Arbok and Walrein now struggling to be even slightly useful.
     
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  6. Aurist

    Aurist I do not jump for joy. I frolic in doubt.

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    NEU is a tier I'd love to push for but right now we can barely even get any userbase for UU / LU / NU right now, let alone an additional tier :/ if enough people showed lasting interest something could happen, but seems doubtful...
     
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  7. Celestial Phantom

    Celestial Phantom YAHA

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    A tier lower than NU really isn't possible with what we have. I hate to say it, but currently a lot of playing here is OU or luck tiers to bust honestly, which is a shame. To run and start up another tier would take a player base to play it, enough people to sort out the tier and actually tier it well according to tiering standards, and as it currently stands after the "NEU" attempt last gen, things really did not work out as envisioned as people gave up on it. Working out the current tiers first and getting them all to a very well put standard could probably give rise to an NEU/PU/whatever we can call it happening in the future, just not really possible as of right now is what I'd call it.

    As for the ubers idea, it sounds like doing ADV BL tier again or something. Like ADV BL is a tier where you can use BL pokemon with the UU metagame since the BL mons really aren't that viable in ADV OU, but people wanted to play with them, and thus it's like a combination just so people can play with them as they want. Can't really say it was the best idea....just a weird one. Unless this ubers idea is more of like an Ubers metagame sans Primal Ogre, Groudon, and Mega Ray, because that's really what would be metagame changing to the point that more of the "non used in Ubers/broken in OU so banned" mons would at least has a shot of being used more, but it really would be a gimmick tier. Can't really say either is very doable at this point right now.
     
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