[ORAS] Oras Ubers Viability Rankings V2

Discussion in 'Past Gens Discussion' started by Mysterious M, Dec 10, 2015.

  1. Lacus Clyne

    Lacus Clyne This might get unpleasant!

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    Well here is my personal list:

    S+

    Primal-Groudon

    S

    Xerneas
    Scarf, Specs, Geomancy and Geomancy RestTalk. Way too many options.

    Mega-Salamence
    Although I like Gengar more it should be obvious that this Pokémon is more versatile. It often acts as the only offensive P-Don check and has dominating power to punch holes in the opponents team.

    Mega-Gengar
    It can trade a kill most of the time and remove passive stuff, while also acting as a really solid revenge killer.

    Arceus
    Recover E-Killer is getting more popular and is one of the best revenge killer/cleaner in the current metagame. Normal LO E-Killer is also a threat people often tend to forget.

    S-

    Ho-Oh
    This Pokémon defines Balance, but because of the HO spam it often finds no use. (Set SR -> Darkrai -> No way to remove SR -> Ho-Oh becomes a sac)

    Darkrai
    Should be obvious.

    A+

    Klefki
    Perfect typing, gives speed control with T-Wave, checks many threats and is overall a good addition to every balance team.

    Deoxys-Attack
    Strong STAB, good Spe, strong priority move and good movepool.

    Arceus-Water
    It's still the best support Arceus.

    A

    Arceus-Ghost (maybe A+)
    Really underestimated. Most teams tend to forget their check to this Pokémon and are caught with their pants down once this guy sets up.

    Arceus-Ground
    Gets the job done. Diancie check and a strong wall breaker.

    Dialga
    Great Salamence/Rayquaza check, sets up SR and has a strong offensive presence, while it also can switch-in very well thanks to the good typing.

    Giratina-O
    Great typing. Checks many threats and is also able to remove hazards while being immune to any form of spikes. Lack of recovery makes this Pokémon a bit bad though.

    Yveltal
    Really strong presence in the current meta. His checks get damaged quite heavy with Knock Off. Overall good offensive Pokémon.

    Lugia
    Stall became worse, but Lugia still works in some Balance teams.

    A-

    Mega Diancie
    Good Darkrai/Yveltal check. It has Magic Bounce which bounces any non damage attack back. People prepare for this Pokémon though or are automatically prepared with Arceus-Water or the now common Recover E-Killer.

    Rayquaza
    CB/Mixed is a strong threat.

    Deoxys-Speed
    Gets the job done.

    Primal-Kyogre
    No offensive use. It's most of the time a really passive Pokémon but it has many good flaws.

    Latios
    Although the Defog set has dissapeared, the 4-Attacks set is still awesome.

    Arceus-Dragon
    Great substitute for Arceus-Water. It can't do anything to fairys though. (Klefki!)

    Landorus-Therian
    Good revenge killer. It becomes set-up bait if he has to revenge something though.
     
  2. Mysterious M

    Mysterious M Dream /\ Bigger

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    Ok so everyone posted their lists, i will try to sum up some of the close opinions and make a list with possible changes so we can discuss them in more detail..

    Thanks for the interest despite the fact that a new gen is coming around.

    ORAS LOVE
     
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  3. Edna

    Edna Chasing the Dragon Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    I don't see how Lando-T is that good, I guess i'll put it in B+ if it was up to me.

    I agree with all what Lacus said outside Kyo, it hits like a truck and when you remove Groudon CroOgre can become a nuisance ( or 2 atks really). I would place it in A- cause it is a very good pokemon.

    I think Rayquaza can also go to A- for the same reasons, huge atk, excellent movepool, great way of dealing with Groudon with Aqua Tail/Surf and CB is just amazing in the current meta. It can beat easily Dialga with outrage/eq so the best Dialga can do is revenge kill it
     
  4. Lacus Clyne

    Lacus Clyne This might get unpleasant!

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    Kyogre can't set up well at all. Most of the time when you are trying to set-up its already weakened or is used for something else. Also is it incredible hard to kill Primal Groudon, hence its simply not worth setting up. Building around CM Primal Kyogre is hard in general since you will most of the time lose something, be it a Darkrai check, E-Killer check or even a Salamence check. You simply don't have enough space to build around it. From my experience the offensive use Primal Kyogre has way too many flaws, which is why I would rather not use it since there are way better and faster sweeper out there. The only reason why I put Primal Kyogre in A- is because of the RestTalk set. To be honest I think Primal Kyogre is better off in B+ but it acts as a good status absorber which is why it should stay in A-.
     
  5. Mysterious M

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    Alright so from what i gathered out of your posts, plus my own thoughts on viability in the current meta, here are the changes i see. (I will apply none without further discussion, but will proceed into editing the ranking in 3 to 5 days.)

    Regarding what @Serga said about having too many mons in A+ i believe he is right, and his reasoning was solid.

    [​IMG] Mega Gengar: A+ --> S
    [​IMG] Klefki: A --> A+
    [​IMG] Deoxys-Attack: A- --> A+
    [​IMG] Dialga: B+ --> A
    [​IMG] Giratina-Origin: A- --> A
    [​IMG] Lugia: A+ --> A
    [​IMG] Landorous-Therian: B --> A-

    Those were the changes that all of your kind of agreed on, and i do as well. There were some Pokemon though that aroused different opinions and we could analyze them a bit more. Those are the following:

    [​IMG] Yveltal: Some supported it being A+, some A. I believe it stands well in A. Yeah it can be a solid answer to E-killer but except the use of taunt, it is not that good of a choice, specially when there are more solid option to use for this role. As an Offensive role and with Life Orb it can really hit hard and destroy balance builds. It is versatile enough to be in A.

    [​IMG] Deoxys-Speed: I don't see how a suicide lead can be so high on the rankings, so yeah i will support it going to A-. I agree with Lacus saying that it can pull off its work.

    [​IMG] Latios: Like Yveltal, it is supported to be A+ or A. I don't really see it being that high, because of many factors: it can be easy for something to set up on it after a draco meteor, plus it has not enough bulk to take hits from most of the mon in the tier. If you use it as defog, it is outclassed by Giratina-O while the 4 attacks set is solid but not enough to have it in A rank. A- is where it belongs.

    [​IMG] Diancie-Mega: It can be helpful vs some matchups but as Lacus said, most teams are prepared for it and with the raise of waterceus usage this one does not perform as good as it used to be. I don't see the reason for it to go A or A+.

    Those are the ones that i think had the more arguements. Please let me know if i missed something and dont post the whole rankings list, just mon + opinion so it can be easier for everyone to discuss. I am open to any new proposals and opinions before i apply those changes.
     
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  6. cries in vain

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    ogre deserves to be in a- tbf but because of its offensive prowess. defensive ogre doesn't work in this meta
    ray is a solid mon and it probably deserves a- but outrage is terrible and dialga runs shuca so u'r only getting past it by running draco meteor or v-create(mixed and cb sets respectively)



    yveltal still sucks imo. it's inherently less bulky+sr weak and has typing that leaves it vulnerable to sr while forcing it to run charti just to check ekiller. offensive yveltal is much more usable but still can be decently checked by the archetype it does best vs. ho oh or keys can spoil ur fun by pivoting in so u gotta get it right the first time (heat wave or knock off)

    deo s is jesus-
     
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