Here are the updated Speed Tiers for ORAS LU! This should be a handy reference for teambuilding (and speed-creeping). Use it wisely! As usual, please post if you feel something is missing from the list and it will be updated. Special thanks to Mfhoundoom/CuboneThugsnSkarmory for writing almost all of these speed tiers. StatPokemonBase StatEVs/NatureVariable500-650 558Klinklang90252+2 (Shift Gear)546Hitmonlee87252+2 (Unburden)524Cloyster70252++2 (Shell Smash)522Durant109252++1 (Choice Scarf)518Kabutops, Stoutland, Shiftry80252+2 (Swift Swim, Sand Rush, Chlorophyll)516Barbaracle68252++2 (Shell Smash)505Delphox104252++1 (Choice Scarf)400-499 492Flygon, Typhlosion, Ninetales100252+1 (Choice Scarf)478Cloyster, Victreebel, Poliwrath, Ludicolo70252+2 (Shell Smash, Chlorophyll, Swift Swim)476Durant109252+1 (Choice Scarf)460Delphox104252+1 (Choice Scarf)459Meloetta90252++1 (Choice Scarf)458Sandslash65252+2 (Sand Rush)458Omastar55252++2 (Swift Swim)456Vivillon89252++1 (Quiver Dance)447Rotom-H, Rotom-F86252++1 (Choice Scarf)442Sawk85252++1 (Choice Scarf)436Magmortar83252++1 (Choice Scarf)432Klinklang90 +2 (Shift Gear)427Accelgor145252++0426Braviary, Gallade80252++1 (Choice Scarf)418Meloetta90252+1 (Choice Scarf)418Omastar55252+2 (Shell Smash)414Crustle45252++2 (Shell Smash)414Nidoqueen76252++1 (Choice Scarf)406Gorebyss, Huntail52252+2 (Shell Smash)403Malamar73252++1 (Choice Scarf)300-399 397Tyrantrum71252++1 (Dragon Dance)394Jolteon130252++0393Magneton, Hoopa130252++1 (Choice Scarf)390Meloetta-S128252++0389Accelgor145252+0383Swellow125252++0376Emboar65252++1 (Choice Scarf)361Cinccino, Sneasel115252++0355Meloetta-S128252+0354Scrafty58252++1 (Choice Scarf, Dragon Dance)350Archeops, Tauros110252++0348Durant109252++0348Mega Steelix30252++2 (Rock Polish)346Virizion108252++0342Pyroar106252++0339Mismagius, Scyther105252++0337Delphox104252++0328Flygon, Typhlosion, Mega Glalie100252++0326Gourgeist-S99252++0322Sigilyph97252++0317Uxie, Xatu, Jynx, Drapion, Houndoom95252++0309Scyther105252+0306Meloetta90252++0304Vivillon89252++0300Hitmonlee87252++0200-299 298Rotom-H, Rotom-F 86252++0295Sawk, Articuno85252++0293Skuntank84252++0291Magmortar83252++0284Braviary, Stoutland, Mesprit, Gallade, Medicham, Glalie80252++0279Klinklang90252+0276Nidoqueen76252++0273Hitmonlee87252+0273Mega Banette, Smeargle75252++0269Sawk85252+0267Skuntank, Fletchinder84252+0265Tyrantrum71252++0262Hoopa, Magneton, Cloyster, Ludicolo, Samurott70252++0259Braviary, Kabutops, Stoutland, Gallade, Medicham, Mesprit80252+0258Exploud, Barbaracle68252++0251Nidoqueen76252+0251Emboar, Banette65252++0249Mega Banette75252+0242Mandibuzz8096++0241Tyrantrum71252+0239Hoopa, Magneton, Cloyster, Poliwrath, Ludicolo, Victreebel, Samurott70252+0238Clawitzer59252++0236Flygon, Miltank100 +0236Scrafty58252++0235Exploud, Barbaracle68252+0229Emboar, Sandslash, Banette65252+0229Omastar, Cacturne, Dwebble55252++0226Uxie, Xatu, Drapion95 +0217Clawitzer59252+0216Meloetta, Golbat, Klinklang90 +0215Scrafty58252+0209Omastar, Cacturne55252+0208Rotom-H, Rotom-S86 +0207Crustle, Marowak, Armaldo45252++0206Qwilfish, Articuno85 +0204Skuntank84 +0203Gorebyss, Huntail52252+0100-199 199Aggron50252+0198Milotic81 +0196Goodra, Braviary, Mesprit, Gallade, Mandibuzz80 +0196Rhyperior40252++0188Nidoqueen76 +0186Klefki75 +0182Malamar73 +0176Magneton70 +0174Mega Steelix30252++0170Lanturn67 +0168Jellicent6048+0166Banette, Pelipper, Alomomola, Emboar 65 +0156Abomasnow, Jellicent, Weezing, Masquerain60 +0154Clawitzer59 +0152Scrafty58 +0148Trevenant56 +0146Cacturne, Golurk, Exeggutor, Bouffalant, Omastar55 +0136Registeel, Tangrowth, Mega Audino, Audino, Regice, Muk, Hariyama, Eelektross, Mawile50 +0132Druddigon48 +0126Crustle, Granbull45 +0122Eelektross500-+0124Dragalge44 +0116Camerupt, Togetic, Gurdurr, Rhyperior40 +0114Gastrodon39 +0108Pangoro580-+0 (0 IVs)106Spiritomb35 +0102Bronzong33 +00-99 96Mega Steelix, Slowking, Mega Abomasnow, Cofagrigus30 +094Aromatisse29 +090Druddigon480-+0 (0 IVs)83Dragalge440-+0 (0 IVs)76Escavalier, Mega Camerupt20 +067Spiritomb350-+0 (0 IVs)63Bronzong330-+0 (0 IVs)58Slowking, Mega Abomasnow, Mega Steelix, Cofagrigus300-+0 (0 IVs)46Shuckle5 +040Escavalier, Mega Camerupt200-+0 (0 IVs)
I noticed one minor error in that, iirc, Seismitoad is a base 74, not 73, but I believe it still hits the same Speed point lol, so it's not a huge problem
Exploud can't learn Agility. Unless it was an event move or something. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Agility_(move)
Removed Cresselia and Reuniclus due to ban. Please keep posting if you think something is missing, I know people keep using stuff that isn't on this list atm. Same goes for viability list
Why would Delphox run a Modest nature? Usually Pokémon with +100 Speed run Speed boosting natures, unless they're running a defensive set. Choice Scarf could possibly get away with it, but still I'd always run max Speed Timid personally.
Agreed with Doom. I wouldn't run a neutral Speed nature on anything with more than like a base 90 or 95 unless their Attack/Special Attack stat was ridiculous (like Slaking, Kyurem-B, etc.)
I would run Modest on a Scarf set, it deals better with bulky waters like Jellicent and Milotic (2hko is more easier with some EH support than timid), and can 2hko AVest Goodra without SR support, it can also still outspeeds most of mons that the timid version can outspeeds, the thing that sucks about Modest Delphox is that is outspeeded by Jolly Flygon and +2 Cloyster, but overall 460 is a good speed point. Maybe not so good as Timid, but surely has a niche.
This hasn't been updated in a long while, I removed stuff no longer LU, I will add stuff that dropped later. The formatting is a real eye sore, so I'll do it in my spare time when I'm not disgusted with all the [.tr]. and [./tr]. stuff that's literally everywhere and see if it can't be condensed a bit. A lot needs work I know, so I'll get to it at a bit at a time if needed.
Can't have all that prettiness without the pain of BBCode formatting! I'll add to the list too, we've got a lot of stuff missing now. Hard to keep these things up to date lol
K so made some changes, updated changes that I did were: - Added Scarf Durant (both neutral and positive nature) - Added Rhyperior because we never readded it after it fell from UU months ago, both to min speed and max speed jolly. - Added Mandibuzz at min speed, and enough for 242 speed. If anyone has more to add to good adequate Mandibuzz speeds, might wanna let me know otherwise those are probably gonna be two of the better used areas for it. - Added Smeargle - Added Eelektross negative nature (should have it because mixed spreads that use -speed) - Added 48 Speed Jellicent because honestly you use it anyway (I know 44 is standard just to speed creep by 1 on alo and other stuff, but I prefer trying to guarantee it by 2). - Added Klefki - Added Klinklang the underrated useful mon to 216 at 0, because that's the base speed for the bulky set up anyway. Figured it was worth the mention/add for people who might go for it. I also added what it would be at +2 for this because it's a good reference. - Added Samurott to the list - Added Aggron neutral to the list Edit: -Added Emboar to 166 speed group, because it wasn't there and it's something you can use for a bulkier Ganon - Removed Leafeon because no one uses it, nor is it good in this meta. - Added Modest Delphox scarf because it's actually useful, and unlike the people who didn't think it was a year ago, it has uses. Will add/change more later, probably remove a few things that should really be there. Looking at gourgeist-S.