[Approved] Best Of Battles...

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  1. VirajVora

    VirajVora VirajVora...

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    Introduction...
    Everyone here is a master of one tier or another. But players who are master of LC, LU etc. tiers are at a disadvantage as these tiers have hardly any tournaments on forums. So this is the best place to show-off your skills in your best tier. This tournament will have any tier you want to play. You heard it right, you will play the tier you want to play.

    Rules...

    Each player selects a tier they want to play and that tier will definitely be the one they will get a chance to battle against the opponent in Best of 3 battle. The second tier will be selected by your opponent. The third tier will be selected by voting of tiers and common for all players.

    Once a tier chosen cannot be changed again.
    Best of 3 battle.
    Round 1 last between 8 to 14 days (Will be ended on Sunday for convenience).
    Other rounds last 7 days.
    If you think you opponent has cheated/lied, give me the logs and if its true, you opponent will be removed from the tour.
    If matches doesn't end in time, I will decide the winner on the basis of activity and vms. If both are equally active/inactive, there will be a coinflip.

    Available tiers...
    RBY OU
    GSC OU
    Adv OU
    HGSS OU
    BW2 OU
    ORAS Ubers
    ORAS OU
    ORAS UU
    ORAS LU
    ORAS NU
    ORAS LC
    Monotype
    Inverted Battle

    Signups...
    None so far.
    Lasts 10 days.

    Along with signups send in the tier you want to play.
     
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  2. Weavile

    Weavile Phoenix

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    Above all else I'd encourage the removal of Sky Battle from the list. That metagame is more or less unplayable.

    Ignoring that for a moment. A tour with this format (except more streamlined and simple) was run once or twice as a "Battle of the channels" thing a couple years ago. It was a nice format and I liked it.
    That tour had all main line metagames from all gens + all LCs + monotype as a tier list and I liked that one so I guess I'd argue for that tier list again but it's not all that big of a deal.

    The one thing I really don't like about this tour is the selection process for the final tier. Simply put it puts a break in the series. The way the previous tour did it was to use the current main OU as a tie-break tier. But I guess you could randomly select a tier each week to be the tie breaker tier for that week. That'd be better probably. But making people pick 3 tiers and excluding their picks except when they have a pick in common just makes it complicated.
    So I'd suggest that each player picks a metagame in their signup post and you play a best of three of each player's metagame and the randomly selected tiebreak tier for that round.

    If those changes are made. I'll give my yes vote.
     
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  3. Withoutatrace

    Withoutatrace im a filthy weeb

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    Rather than just simply choosing the last tier at random, I would do as Weavile said, make the last one random for that round, but allow the players to choose the tier they wish to play from said list for the first two tiers.
    So if Player A chooses RBY OU, and Player B chooses ORAS Ubers, then you can generate a random tier through some random generator where you put lists in and get a result.
    Either solution about final tier decision works imo, your discretion.

    I'd also encourage the removal of Sky Battle, for the same reason, and the same for VGC 2015, VGC is optional but Sky Battle is a must for my approval.

    Yes if said changes are made.
     
  4. VirajVora

    VirajVora VirajVora...

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    At the moment I have removed the Sky Battle... Players choosing the tier they want to play and 3rd on randomly selected by me is a fine idea... I am ready to change into it... But there is an issue...

    What if both players have same tiers (For e.g. ORAS OU) for battling ?
    The only possible solutions I found are
    1) Make them battle ORAS OU twice...
    2) I choose 2 random tiers rather than 1...

    I don't like either of the solution... So hoping for some answer for it...
     
  5. Raducan

    Raducan Well-Known Member

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    I would really like it if you didn't include VGC 2015.

    In regards to tier selection, this is what I think you should do: allow each player of each round to choose a tier that they want to play. Have them play the two tiers that the players picked and if it comes to a tiebreaker, it would be ORAS OU.

    Just my opinion, neutral to the tour as of right now.
     
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    VirajVora VirajVora...

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    Ok I thought of few things... Removed VGC 2015...

    I am changing the structure a little and combining few parts of each of your comment...

    The player has to now choose a new tier every round... (Unlike earlier where it was same in the whole tournament...)
    That tier must not be used in any of earlier rounds...
    Meaning if I chose ORAS OU as Round 1 tier, it must not be used in any further rounds...
    It also must not be the tie-breaking tier of the next week...
    They have to pm me the name of the tier in the round before that... (Round 1's tier in Signups, Round 2's tier in Round 1 and so on...)
    I will randomly make match ups... If by chance a match up comes where both opponents have same selected tier, I will remake the whole match up until there comes a match up where no same tier match ups appear...
    Since the tier of a player changes continuously, match ups will be easily formed and players may also get to play almost all tiers...

    Now comes deciding the 3rd tier or tie breaking tier... Just as Weavile said, a new tier will be selected every new week for tie breaking...
    But this third tier will not be selected by me... It will be voted by people just like people used to vote in Battle of the Week and the tier with maximum votes will be tie-breaking tier... (Voting in signups for Tier of Round 1, Voting in Round 1 for Tier of Round 2 and so on...)
    If a tier has already became tie breaking tier of the week once, it will not appear in voting again...


    I also feel extending round limit from 7 days to 10 days is better...
    Voting will be first 7 days and round lasts 10 days...

    I hope this is good... Editing OP now...
     
  7. Weavile

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    I apologise but I'm going to have to disagree with @Raducan
    The idea of a new tier every round is, imo, not a good plan.

    It's additional work for the player that in my opinion, detracts from the appeal of the tour. The appeal of this tour is, imo, to play whatever metagame you want (within reason) for a whole tour and maybe get to try some interesting metas along the way. Making people change their favoured metagame is an extra layer of work for you, and 2 extra layers for the participants (building and PMing you).
    I would not approve this unless it required a single metagame stated in the signup post and that metagame was stuck with.
    I honestly see no problem with 2 ORAS OU battles if both players picked ORAS OU, they obviously both want to play it.

    I could live with a standard ORAS OU tiebreaker, or with a randomly selected tiebreak tier each round.
    Yah removing VGC was a good plan.
    I would still like to argue for at least the inclusion of RBY, GSC, ADV, HGSS and BW2 UUs, if not NUs as well. But idk what @Withoutatrace and Rad think of that. Oh and @Samphire lel
     
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  8. Samphire

    Samphire Too much hard work!

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    I would say the past gen UUs (except in the case of BW2 are not wise to include, myself. I do agree with Weavile though: applicants should pick a tier and stay with it, as it makes things clearer for contestants and yourself when organising.

    If it sticks to that, I can give you an approve.
     
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    I'm okay with what Weavile said. I was only making a suggestion, not demanding something for my approval. If you can make the format clear and easily playable, then I don't have a problem with it.
     
  10. Withoutatrace

    Withoutatrace im a filthy weeb

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    In agreement with Weavile.
     
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    Well then, I have made a tier fix throughout the tournament... Tier will be selected during Sign ups and will remain same throughout the tournament... I'll keep 3rd tier decision based on votes as earlier mentioned... If both opponents have a same tier then I will make them battle that tier twice just like Weavile said...

    I also kept round time limit back to 7 days since tiers are not changed every round...

    I have only 1 issue now... @Weavile says adding UU of earlier gens is a good idea whereas @Samphire says adding UU of earlier gens (except BW2) is not a good idea...
     
  12. Weavile

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    Sounds good.
    I'll approve with or without the UUs, although I'd prefer them
    So
    Approve 1/3
     
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    Approve 2/3
     
  14. Withoutatrace

    Withoutatrace im a filthy weeb

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    Approve 3/3
    Will add to schedule when on computer.
     
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