[ORAS Ubers]Unlocking the Fiery Gates (Peaked #1 1530)

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Is Primal-Groudon overpowered?

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  1. Lacus Clyne

    Lacus Clyne This might get unpleasant!

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    Welcome to my ORAS Ubers RMT and have fun while reading this.
    So yeah XY died and ORAS Ubers is now the dumbest Ubers Tier I've ever seen. Well thats just my opinion anyways. Everyone knows that Primal-Groudon is just overpowered and in the most teams there is always a Groudon trying to kill you. I decided to use it too, but at that time people were only using the Double Dancer Variant. After getting bored of seing that I choosed to use the old offensive SR Set and built my Team around it. The Team has some weaknesses though, which I will point out later. Now I show you the Teambuilding.

    With Groudon as a Stealh Rocker Lead it was decided that this Team would be more Offensive:
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    After thinking for a while I decided to add a Banded Ho-Oh even though knowing that there is no sun support. Groudon and Ho-Oh are a great Team together so with Ho-Oh I already got my Sleep Talker which takes on Darkrai.
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    Xerneas has still the potential to sweep through this team even with all the resistences. Since Groudon and Ho-Oh are amazingly strong, I only needed to slow down that Xerneas and adding Klefki is a great option. Klefki can paralyse Xerneas great with the ability "Prankster" and is also a great wall against Yveltal. The extra layers of Spikes are also something the team benefits.
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    After realizing that Kyogre is still a threat I decided to add a Palkia. If Kyogre suddenly gets a switch in against my Primal Groudon it could get a bit problematic. Adding something that could back up the Team with a water resist was needed. So yeah... Palkia.
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    The extrem Speed killer Arceus is a threat. Adding something that could pressure it to not set up was Yveltal. It's just such an amazing pokemon and it also helps me against DD Salamence. A psychic resistance is also something great, because people still run Mewtwo.
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    My Arceus slot was still open and building a team without an arceus is kinda dumb imo. I decided to use an offensive CM Arceus-Electric and ignoring my Defog/Spinner problem.
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    After realizing that running a team with a Ho-Oh and no Defog support is actually shit I changed my Arceus-Electric to an Support Arceus-Rock. That also gave me some better protection against other Banded Ho-Ohs.
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    So people were telling me that Soul Dew was viable again. I decided to throw that trash Palkia out of my team and adding a Support Latias. With Latias as a defoger I could change the set and spread from my Arceus-Rock to something more offensive. Yeah and that is now my Team. A more balanced one instead of offensive I think.
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    Groudon @ Red Orb
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Precipice Blades
    - Stone Edge
    - Dragon Tail

    Groudon is more or less a monster. I don't even know why I am using a Jolly Groudon but whatever. Groudon is most of the time my lead when I don't see a Deoxys on the other team. With his new signature move he can do quickly some serious damage and even OHKO pokemons with it. For the coverage I choosed the common Stone Edge. You might ask why I use Dragon Tail as a Filler. Most people switch in Giratina-O or the Latitwins into Groudon, so I thought why not switching them out. Now they have to think twice about switching in. It also gives me the opportunity to phaze a Arceus or DD Salamence if it is needed.

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    Ho-Oh @ Choice Band
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Sleep Talk
    - Sacred Fire
    - Earthquake
    - Brave Bird

    I don't know why, but I personally love Banded Ho-Oh. It's such a strong pokemon which can tank and kill. So yeah I am running Max. Atk with full Speed investment again like in XY Ubers. Most people don't run Max. Speed on their Primal-Evolutions which I don't understand. So outspeeding them with Ho-Oh is something I will deffinitly take advanage on. I'll use the 3 common Attack moves which almost hit everything. Sleep Talk is obviously there for Darkrai and yeah...

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    Klefki (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SDef
    Careful Nature
    - Heal Block
    - Spikes
    - Play Rough
    - Thunder Wave

    Yeah the loved Klefki is here again to swag all the other pokemons. No just kidding, even without swagger it's still something good. Klefkis only serious job is to paralyse Xerneas with a Thunder Wave. Play Rough to break subs and Spikes for more cool Hazards. For the last slot I choosed Heal Block instead of Toxic for stoping the Recover from Arceus which is trying to remove Hazards at the same time. Writing all this over Klefki feels so dumb, since I get the feeling of only repeating myself.

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    Latias (F) @ Soul Dew
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 176 HP / 80 Def / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Defog
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Recover

    My great defoger is here and came back with his Soul Dew. Using Latias in Ubers feels so great and having something that bulky is even more great. I choosed to have some Def Investment, because Latias is someone who has to take on Primal Groudon 1v1. Defog is to remove the Hazards which are a problem to Ho-Oh and Yveltal. Recover instead of Roost to get HP back and not getting unnecesary hit by Ground-Attacks. For the attack slots I choosed Draco Meteor as a strong and powerful nuke and Psyshock to hit Blissey and other special walls.

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    Yveltal @ Leftovers
    Trait: Dark Aura
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
    Impish Nature
    - Foul Play
    - Sucker Punch
    - Roost
    - Taunt

    The Pokemon which takes on all physical Attacker. Obviously Full Def investment to tank hits. The set is pretty common and there aren't many things to say about it. Foul Play to OHKO the pokemons who used Swords Dance or something like that. Sucker Punch as prio move against Mewtwo Y. And I hate teams without a priority Move, so adding Sucker Punch was 100% sure. Roost to regain some health and Taunt to stop Hazards or Defogs if neccesary. Yet again common set and I don't like repeating myself. ._.

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    Arceus-Rock @ Stone Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 248 HP / 4 Def / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Judgment
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Calm Mind
    - Recover

    Something that can take on Ho-Oh and my Cleaner for the team. If I damaged the Pokemons from my opponent to the point where I can Calm Mind up and give them the final blow... I will obviously do it. '-' This Arceus Set is also a Plan B to Extrem Killer Arceus, since they Speed Tie and I get the opportunity to burn them with a Will-O-Wisp. Recover is here again to regain some health and the only Attacking move is Judgement. I didn't feel like using something like Earth Power, since my other pokemons can deal with this gap.

    Groudon @ Red Orb
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Precipice Blades
    - Stone Edge
    - Dragon Tail

    Ho-Oh @ Choice Band
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Sleep Talk
    - Sacred Fire
    - Earthquake
    - Brave Bird

    Klefki (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SDef
    Careful Nature
    - Heal Block
    - Spikes
    - Play Rough
    - Thunder Wave

    Arceus-Rock @ Stone Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 248 HP / 4 Def / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Judgment
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Calm Mind
    - Recover

    Yveltal @ Leftovers
    Trait: Dark Aura
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
    Impish Nature
    - Foul Play
    - Sucker Punch
    - Roost
    - Taunt

    Latias (F) @ Soul Dew
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 176 HP / 80 Def / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Defog
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Recover

    I got a huge problem with Mega Diancie, but I usually play around it or CM up with Arceus right of the bat.

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    [Hero]Useless: Great Battler but most of the time useless
    Kea: (look at Qwilfish)
    ShockWave: Same as Useless, but forget the useless part you're good
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    (14:24:03) ±Porygon: Your rank in ORAS Ubers is 1/12212 [1530 points / 135 battles]!
     
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  2. Draciel

    Draciel ALLEZ! ALLEZ! ALLEZ!

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    Awesome team Lacus!! And congratulations on your peak :]]
     
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  3. Crimson Blaze

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    Ok so, this is a pretty cool team. What i like most about this is in spite of being quite susceptible to status it isn't really weak to the stall builds I have seen thus far on the ladder.The only problems i really see at a glance apart from Mega-Diancie are mixed Zekrom and Scarf kyurem (because of it's coverage) because they kind of do a number to your team if it's a smart player. Also Ground Arceus is kind of annoying to face to be honest because yveltal and latias may be weakened late game. And of course Mega Gengar+Extremekiller(essentially Mega Gengar+Sweeper lol) facing standard hazards hyper offense is relatively easy with your build and add to that a very reliable defogger. I'm not really going to comment on EV's optimization because, it's normal not to provide exact spreads on RMT's. Overall a very cool team and congratulations on your peak :).
     
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  4. Lacus Clyne

    Lacus Clyne This might get unpleasant!

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    Threats List:
    [​IMG] Arceus:
    ExtremeKiller - Yveltal, Arceus-Rock
    Choice Band - Yveltal, Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Arceus-Dark:
    Calm Mind - Klefki, CM war Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Arceus-Dragon:
    Calm Mind - Klefki, CM war Arceus Rock
    Swords Dance - Yveltal, Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Arceus-Electric:
    Calm Mind - Primal-Groudon, CM war Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Arceus-Fairy:
    Calm Mind - Groudon, Ho-Oh, Klefki, CM war Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Arceus-Flying:
    Calm Mind - CM war Arceus-Rock, Ho-Oh

    [​IMG] Arceus-Ground:
    Swords Dance - Yveltal, Arceus-Rock
    Calm Mind - Ho-Oh

    [​IMG] Arceus-Steel:
    Calm Mind - Ho-Oh, Primal-Groudon
    Swords Dance - Yveltal, Arceus-Rock, Ho-Oh

    [​IMG][​IMG] Blaziken:
    Offensive - Ho-Oh, Yveltal, Primal-Groudon, Latias
    Baton Pass - Ho-Oh, Primal Groudon, Latias, Yveltal

    [​IMG] Breloom:
    Focus Sash Lead - Ho-Oh, Latias

    [​IMG][​IMG] Charizard:
    Swords Dance - Arceus-Rock
    Dragon Dance - Arceus-Rock
    Special Attacker - Ho-Oh, Groudon, Latias

    [​IMG] Cloyster:
    Shell Smash Lead - Arceus-Rock, Groudon

    [​IMG] Diancie:
    Stealth Rocker: Arceus-Rock CM
    Calm Mind: CM war Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Darkrai:
    Nasty Plot - Ho-Oh, Klefki
    Taunt - Ho-Oh, Klefki

    [​IMG] Deoxys-A:
    Focus Sash - Ho-Oh, Yveltal
    Life Orb - Ho-Oh, Yveltal

    [​IMG] Dialga:
    Offensive - Ho-Oh (but not save)
    Choice Specs - predict your way out

    [​IMG] Ditto:
    Choice Scarf - switch in what walls

    [​IMG] Excadrill:
    Sand Rush - Yveltal

    [​IMG] Garchomp:
    Stealth Rock - Arceus-Rock, Yveltal, Latias?

    [​IMG] Genesect:
    Choice Scarf - Ho-Oh, Yveltal, Primal-Groudon
    Choice Band - Ho-Oh, Yveltal, Primal Groudon

    [​IMG] Gengar:
    Offensive - sac Ho-Oh, Taunt Yveltal
    Reflect Type - what is this bullshit?
    Perish Song - sac something

    [​IMG] Giratina-O:
    Defog - Arceus-Rock, Ho-Oh

    [​IMG] Gothitelle:
    Calm Mind - Ho-Oh, Groudon, Yveltal, Klefki

    [​IMG] Greninja:
    Life Orb - Thats actually a threat lmao

    [​IMG] Groudon:
    Rock Polish - Yveltal, Latias
    Stealth Rock - Arceus-Rock, Latias

    [​IMG] Gyarados:
    Dragon Dance - Yveltal?

    [​IMG] Ho-Oh:
    Life Orb - Arceus-Rock
    Choice Band - Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Kangaskhan:
    Parental Bond - Yveltal, Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Kyogre:
    Choice Scarf - Primal-Groudon, Latias
    Choice Specs - Primal-Groudon, Latias

    [​IMG] Kyurem-W:
    Choice Specs - Play your Ho-Oh well or predict Draco's with Klefki
    Unchoiced - Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Landorus-T:
    Choice Band - Yveltal?
    Earth Plate - Yveltal
    Double Dance - Yveltal

    [​IMG] Lucario:
    Physical Attacker - Prepare your Yveltal for damage

    [​IMG] Mawile:
    Huge Power - Primal-Groudon

    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] Mewtwo:
    Special Attacker - predict switch around Yveltal, Primal-Groudon and Ho-Oh
    Physical Attacker - Yveltal
    Bulk Up - Yveltal
    Mixed - Suck the sucker punch

    [​IMG] Palkia:
    Leftovers - Groudon + Ho-Oh
    Lustrous Orb - try to bring latias in or kill with Groudon
    Choice Specs - well yeah... (gladly no one uses it)

    [​IMG] Pinsir:
    Swords Dance - Arceus-Rock, Yveltal

    [​IMG] Primal-Groudon:
    Double Dancer: Yveltal, Latias
    Stealth Rocker: Latias
    Rock Polish; Yveltal

    [​IMG] Primal-Kyogre:
    Special Attacker: Primal-Groudon, Latias
    Resttalk: Primal-Groudon

    [​IMG] Rayquaza:
    Swords Dance - Arceus-Rock, Yveltal
    Dragon Dance - Arceus-Rock, Yveltal
    Mixed - Arceus-Rock

    [​IMG] Reshiram:
    Toxic + Roost - Arceus-Rock + Latias
    Flame Charge - Arceus-Rock, Ho-Oh
    Choice Scarf - Arceus-Rock, Ho-Oh

    [​IMG] Salamence:
    Sub DD: Arceus-Rock, Yveltal
    Dragon Dance: Arceus-Rock, Yveltal

    [​IMG][​IMG] Scizor:
    Choice Band - Ho-Oh, Primal-Groudon, Yveltal
    Swords Dance - Ho-Oh, Primal-Groudon, Yveltal

    [​IMG] Scolipede:
    Lead - Burn with Ho-Oh, Arceus-Rock
    Baton Pass - Ho-Oh

    [​IMG] Shaymin-S:
    SubSeed - Try to hit with Ho-Oh
    Special Attacker - Ho-Oh or Sucker Punch with Yveltal

    [​IMG] Terrakion:
    Stealth Rock - Arceus-Rock, Latias, Primal-Groudon?
    Choice Scarf - Latias is the best switch

    [​IMG] Thundurus:
    Prankster - Primal-Groudon, Latias

    [​IMG] Tyranitar:
    Dragon Dance - Primal-Groudon

    [​IMG] Xerneas:
    Geomancy - Klefki Para and clean off with Ho-Oh or Primal-Groudon
    Choice Scarf - Klefki, Ho-Oh
    Mixed - Klefki
    Calm Mind - Klefki, CM war Arceus-Rock, Ho-Oh

    [​IMG] Yveltal:
    Life Orb - Arceus-Rock, Klefki
    Choice Scarf - Arceus-Rock, Klefki

    [​IMG] Zekrom:
    Choice Scarf - Primal-Groudon, Arceus-Rock?
    Tailwind - Primal-Groudon
    Choice Band - Primal Groudon
    Mixed - Switch around

    @Draciel Thank you :)

    @Crimson Blaze Thank you for your rate. Yeah I am kinda weak to Mixed Zekrom, but I usually play around it unless it's a Mexican Mixed Zekrom. Ground Ceus is also something annoying but when I scout it I usually let my Yveltal healthy and don't make unnecesary switches into SR. Mega Gengar is kinda a problem, but I usually sacrifice the pokemon I don't need. Most of the time it is Ho-Oh but almost everything can hit it on the switch and knock it off. I don't know if the EVs are bad, since I don't really ladder that much, but @TCMK already showed me some awesome EV spreads which I deffinitly try out. More Bulk on Groudon and things like that. Anyways I am happy that actually someone rated it!
     
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  5. Ruby Wolf

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    Hey grazz on ya peak mabey try mixed yveltal for The lols?
    Yveltal
    Power Herb
    252 atk and spe
    Adamant
    Sky attack
    Hone claws
    Sucker punch
    Acrobatics/Steel Wing
     
  6. Lacus Clyne

    Lacus Clyne This might get unpleasant!

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    @Ruby Wolf Hey thanks, but I don't think that changing my Yveltal to something offensiv is a good idea. I need my Yveltal to stay defensive to check Arceus and other Threats so I don't think that changing the set and spread is an option.
     
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  7. Ruby Wolf

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    Hey np I usaully run u turn to scout and focus blast or even run mega lati or fairyceus
     
  8. KyogreF4N

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    Hey Lacus, i was just watching around :]] gratz on your peak, you're still that good !!

    Sad we can't battle anymore (cuz i don't play anymore -_-), it was always a pleasure to fight against you.

    See you ! ;)
     
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  9. karkinos

    karkinos Lord Of The Car Keys

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    Fancy seeing KyoF4N back around :o
    Nice team, Lacus. Well, my two cents on this: Bulk would probably be better on Groudon, at least get rid of that Jolly nature, I wouldn't think it helps you much, especially if you run -prio like DTail. Also, I don't think you have enough for EKiller: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Arceus Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Yveltal: 439-517 (96.4 - 113.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO is what I run atm, and you probably know yourself what this does to Arc-Rock after SD. In that sense, maybe Refresh is better than WoW just to reduce vulnerability to Twaves n Toxics (obv) as an opponent still has to fear the burn if he hasn't set up and the moveslot is not revealed yet. Just my opinion though. GJ, especially on the peak :] but please explain that shoutout...
     
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  10. Celebi.

    Celebi. Active Member

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    Have you considered running Dread Plate > Lefties on Yveltal to guarantee 0hko's on opposing Standard Arceus/MegaMence?
    GroundCeus has a pretty fantastic match up against this team (Swords Dance, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Recover/Refresh). Ekiller also has a respectable match-up against this team, but not as harmful and Groundceus. Sucker vs Recover or Swords Dance may not be something you'd like to risk. Also being able to beat Ekiller with SE + Espeed is nice and not getting stuck in 50/50's with GroundCeus is even better.

    Outside of that, solid team ^_^ only other weaknesses that come to mind are really well played cores, but that's not worth mentioning here. I'm pretty sure I played something similar on the ladder earlier and GroundCeus put in hella work.
     
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  11. Lacus Clyne

    Lacus Clyne This might get unpleasant!

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    Hey thanks for the rates but that team is kinda outdated. I built it when everyone was kinda new to the meta and were still using Arceus with Shadow Claw and shit like that. Well thanks anyways and @karkinos I thought you died so I gave you a good welcome back message .-.
     
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    Celebi. Active Member

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    >Reads date
    Oh. Still a really solid team after 4 months of meta
     
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  13. Laurel

    Laurel Well-Known Member

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    You have a pretty big weakness to CM Ground-Ceus, I would consider using Magnet Rise on Klefki > Heal Block, that way it cant hit you and you can easily bring in Klefki on a Stone Edge.
     
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    Lacus Clyne This might get unpleasant!

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    Updated the team:
    Groudon @ Red Orb
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 248 HP / 52 Def / 184 SDef / 24 Spd
    Careful Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Precipice Blades
    - Fire Punch
    - Dragon Tail

    Ho-Oh @ Choice Band
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Sleep Talk
    - Sacred Fire
    - Earthquake
    - Brave Bird

    Klefki (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SDef
    Careful Nature
    - Toxic
    - Spikes
    - Play Rough
    - Thunder Wave

    Arceus-Rock @ Stone Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 248 HP / 4 Def / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Judgment
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Calm Mind
    - Recover

    Yveltal @ Charti Berry
    Trait: Dark Aura
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
    Impish Nature
    - Foul Play
    - Sucker Punch
    - Roost
    - Taunt

    Latias (F) @ Soul Dew
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 248 HP / 124 Def / 136 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Defog
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Recover
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