[NOC] Death Note Mafia - Game ends

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  1. Hopkirk

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    The kill was probably just because he claimed a cop.

    Why would you follow a "claimed" player just because they've claimed. You think (may be 95% sure but not fully) they are town but know you are town so why not follow/form reads yourself?

    We can look at nightkills. There was one on notmafia. There was no daykill day one, do you think there's a phase limited one or a one-shot one? why? Is the owner town or scum?

    "Or both mafia factions decided to kill NotMafia to be safe."
    Why mafia? I'd expect a serial killer not a second mafia team at this size.
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  2. Fiery Espeon

    Fiery Espeon The fire never bothered me anyway ~

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    You are right about the Serial Killers. If that is true, that means there is no Misa. @Whereabouts Unknown what other options are there besides Light Yagami and Ryuk to be serial killers?
     
  3. Whereabouts Unknown

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    I don't understand how Misa is excluded.

    If there is a bodyguard, they would have protected the claimed cop. This means no one was protected, or alternatively, protection is irrelevant because a faction can pierce kills. Soichiro suggested there are two anti-town factions, but no specificity from there. The fact that there was only one kill may suggest that both sides targeted the claimed person, or that one side cannot kill continuously. We can make assumptions based on characters in the canon to infer some abilities. A serial killer role would make more sense for a Shinigami than anyone. Light makes sense as the other side, but we can't rule out Misa or Teru as a teammate.
     
  4. Hopkirk

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    Possible anti-town factions:
    Light
    Shinigami
    Mello (could be either alignment)
    Higuchi

    Death note without a light faction only takes place with town light. Py said on p1 he was going to keep it accurate so this is unlikely.
    Last DN game i played was light side and neutral ryuk (survivor).

    But speculation about this doesn't matter when we consider that 1.) Nobody wants to mass name-claim 2.) We had a nolynch day one so scumhunting is all that matters at the moment. The complete lack of anyone else even voting is worrying.

    @Whereabouts: Why are you assuming if there's two sets of scum killers both would target the cop? They may assume another is killing (likely a SK would assume this as regular mafia don't know if there's another scum killer). This may suggest no sk, rather a neutral/different win con third party or a blocked kill.
     
  5. Whereabouts Unknown

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    @Hopkirk, do you think we should mass name-claim? If so, why, given the closed setup?

    It is possible they were blocked by a PL or bulletproof, but highly unlikely they were blocked by a BG. Would you as mafia take the risk of allowing the cop to live to provide info? If both sides assume the other is killing then both are hurt if the cop lives. It's not unlikely at all. While we can't rule out some forms of blocking, we know that a BG is not the reason no second kill happened. The most likely explanation is double-targeting.
     
  6. Hopkirk

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    As a lone role i would not kill a claimed cop as i'd know the team who can't be sure i even exist let alone would do it.
    Bodyguards do generally go on cop so unless the bg didn't believe the cop claim or the bg has a neighbor then there probably wasn't thus bulletproof or rb or non killing sk or double target was cause.

    So WU who is scum?

    Not sure if we should name claim, there's people like L, light's now dead dad and some others who would be very unlikely to be scum but scum likely have fakeclaims and there's always the possibility people like L have been excluded from the game to deter this action. The only reason i'm considering the idea is because on the first page py said he was keeping it accurate.
     
  7. Dreams

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    There's enough town oriented characters to render the mass claim useless
    Since Seb will be modkilled (no one sub pls) we can vote someone like
     
  8. Dreams

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    Vote hop
     
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    Mostly for bad wifom, just because you keep stating the obvious, doesn't make you seem town and voting me too

    Also wu is annoying
     
  10. Hopkirk

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    "Mostly for bad wifom" where?
    "just because you keep stating the obvious" If people are using it as an excuse to avoid speaking then why do you want them to keep excuses? Why haven't you commented about people raising the obvious?
    "and voting me too" And that's called an omgus which isn't a reason.
     
  11. Fiery Espeon

    Fiery Espeon The fire never bothered me anyway ~

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    vote Dreams
    like i said, i think Hopkirk is clean
     
  12. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    vote hopkirk
     
  13. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    dreams is scum's counterwagon
    and i think we need to massnameclaim

    also no access from a few hrs from now until the 30th
     
  14. Hopkirk

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    So want to justify anything you say?
     
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    @Fiery Espeon, do you have any reason to think so?

    Dreams, would you like to give a better reason to vote Hop?
     
  16. Fiery Espeon

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    I realized after the night that NotMafia's reason to vote Hopkirk was not a strong one and ti was flawed. It feels like Hopkirk was framed. I'm also thinking Dreams is not one of the serial killers because he's just following NotMafia's last vote but he is not even close to being fully cleaned. I think it would be best to vote Marquis, as he just jumped on the Hop wagon.
    unvote
    vote marquis
     
  17. Hopkirk

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    Why is sheeping a basically naked vote remotely town?
     
  18. Pyanda

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    Ok Marquis PM'ed me and they are now on V/LA from 10PM GMT 28th December to 10PM GMT 30th December.

    Vote count 2.1

    TraceofLife (0)
    Fiery Espeon (0)
    Dreams (1)
    - Hopkirk, Fiery Espeon
    Hopkirk (2) - Dreams, Marquis
    Julio-56 (0)
    Whereabouts Unknown (0)
    ajhockeystar (0)
    Marquis (1)
    - Fiery Espeon

    5 to lynch

    Deadline is 10PM GMT 31st of December, about 72 hours from now.
     
  19. ajhockeystar

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    Will read over and post tomorrow most likely.
     
  20. Dreams

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    I'm fine with mass name claiming, but like I said, although you'd technically argue which roles will fit in as in only the more prominent ones can, it'll still be a huge mess but ok whatever, tell me when to claim

    Also going to do a post on hop soon
     
  21. Dreams

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    Fiery I don't give a shit if you think he's clean, your vote was even worse than mine and you have zero reasons to back it up lolz do you want to get lynched so bad rn
     
  22. Dreams

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    Well I'm the only one viewing the thread so any lynch might take a while, meh
     
  23. Hopkirk

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    Why are you complaining about that when you are voting someone without legitimate reason? You didn't respond to anything i said.
     
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    Fiery sry for bring rude I was out of line
     
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    Hopkirk I haven't seen a single serious post in which you posted your own opinion on others' alignment. You keep asking others why they haven't pushed or why have they voted which is all fine but you put absolutely nothing forward which I could take as your opinion and this makes me think you're scummy, simply ask the moderately safe and right questions, don't put forward your own reads too vehemently and avoid a strong impression while maintaining activity throughout the game.
    Feg had a fancy word for it, something he called backseat scumhunting, classic mafia move. Or maybe he meant something else, whatever.
     
  26. Hopkirk

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    Firstly if you look at feg's usage of that in regard to me, and my meta in general, he uses it when i'm town, it's how i scumhunt as town. Asking questions then vote people who answer badly or refuse to answer.
    Saying i haven't posted opinion of people is a downright lie, anyone who reads my posts sees that clearly.

    The best way to find scum is too look at people's motivation and reasoning behind+for posts. I have asked you a large number of questions, almost all of which you have totally ignored, and you say that i'm not saying anything? I'm saying that you are intentionally evading questions that you can't answer which is why you are scum thus need to be lynch. If someone votes without a reason then doesn't explain it then that's a naked vote which is meaningless thus does nothing to further discussion. If that is all someone does then they are intentionally hiding and actively not contributing which is not acceptable for town but helps scum/ the player if they are scum.
     
  27. Pyanda

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    @TraceofLife and @Julio-56 have both been prodded and will be modkilled/force replaced if they don't post in the next 12 hours.
    Nitrogen you can pick who to replace if they are both inactive.

    Meanwhile, no change in votes.

    Deadline is 10PM GMT 31st of December, 48 hours from now.
     
  28. Dreams

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    Feg used it when you were mafia
    I answered your question which was why I voted you without a reason
    Idk why you're lying

    Nitro hi
     
  29. Whereabouts Unknown

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    Vote Julio-56. I would like to hear explanations for anyone who thinks he's town.
     
  30. Hopkirk

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    Julio is town. There is no reason to be saying he's scum. Obv town.
    So many people are on crap wagons that we won't get a lynch with this activity. I wonder if we should drop the lynch pool a bit.
    @Dreams: I've asked around ten questions, many of which contain vote reasoning.
     
  31. Whereabouts Unknown

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    That is not an explanation.

    Also, the biggest wagon is on you. Leave it to others to determine if it's a crap wagon. The main problem is people not voting or posting. Like, half of them.
     
  32. Pyanda

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    @Nitrogen You can have 12 hours to choose who to replace between TraceofLife and Julio-56 or the randomizer will decide.
     
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    Traceofnolife
     
  34. Hopkirk

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    Julio please post before the 12 hours are up.
     
  35. Hopkirk

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    Or someone sub in, we don't want to lose him.
     
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    Sorry guys, i got some computer problems this week
    As someone said, i didn't come online since NotMafia's claim, and anyway, even if i were mafia, i'm not enough stupid to vote a claimed town

    According to NotMafia, there are 2 mafia sides. This game seems to be about the 2nd part of DN, so the two sides can be :
    - the Wamy House(Mello, Near if Light is with Task Force)
    - Kira Team (Ryuk, Light if Near is with Task Force, maybe Teru)
    Personally, i go for the 2nd option, so Near goes with the Task Force
     
  37. Julio-56

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    About the current lynch, i'm only sure that Hopkirk is town. For the others, idk, but i vote Marquis, for the same reasons as Fiery
    vote Marquis
    This day, we need a lynch, because mafia don't have only 1 nightkill, and we shouldn't need crossfire
     
  38. Pyanda

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    @Nitrogen replaces TraceofLife.
    @Julio-56 can live but will be modkilled/force replaced without warning if they are inactive for 36 hours.

    Vote count in 6 hours.

    Deadline is 10PM GMT 31st of December, 30 hours from now.
     
  39. Fiery Espeon

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    wait there is a huge possibility that TraceOfLife might be one of the serial killers. That explains the one kill during the night. I'm not sure, but it's a possibility. We cannot confirm this, without an inspector and now that Nitrogen replaces him
     
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    Just read through and looked a Dreams' vote on Julio, this might be a bit late but it wasn't really a good one as you decided to vote someone who you read as town and not voting your scumreads.

    Hopkirk why are you so lenient on Julio being town explain how he is town? Sorry if you already did, I just done a quick scan through the pages so I might have missed something out.