I just feel the need to express that the 1.0 version of PO has updates that need serious reversing. The one that concerns me is the automatic OHKO and Evasion clauses. I know they are standard, but that doesn't mean you should take them out (after all, if you take them out, why not take out sleep clause as well?) People should not be forced into to clauses, especially if it is consensual battle between friends without those clauses. I really hope you guys reconsider removing these and making them automatic, because it's really imposing and pointless.
Are they automatic for Challenge Cup as well? I don't mind the fact that they're standard for regular competitive play, but in CC you should always be able to work with what you have.
Just go to Challenge Cup tier or Ubers with your regular team and play with whatever/whoever you want if the tier you want to play in has those enforce/removed. Clauses were removed to free space for new possible clauses.
...why not just remove them when there actually ARE 'new possible' clauses? That really makes absolutely no sense. Like I said, imposing. It also can mess with tourneys. Edit: Also, you're saying that in Ubers, it is not possible to play with OHKO and Evasion clauses? I have no idea what you're thinking, because I think most people will be able to point out that that's a terrible idea.
So, I'll take that as Challenge Cup still doesn't have Evasion or OHKO clause enforced. *fist pumps* Yessssssssssssssss.
Another thing: If you REALLY had to take out clauses, why not just make being in Challenge Cup tier impose the Challenge Cup clause, since that actually makes 100% sense? And get rid of the challenge cup clause because it's utterly pointless?
In ubers no evasion or OHKO moves are banned by default (but maybe on other servers) Evasion clause and OHKO clause existed in the first place because there was no way to ban the moves directly, now with tiers you can. You can't force a tier to have CC battles but you can make it ban some moves. Also stop being so agressive...
I agree with making the clauses optional in challenge window. If anything, what needs to be removed is "No Timeout". It serves absolutely no purpose at all. ~_~ And I agree with CC removal as well. Want CC, go into CC tier. Makes perfect sense to me. About the evasion and OHKO not being banned by default in Ubers... does that include in ladders too? Hope that's not the case, or it sucks. DX p/s: liking the theme. although imo dragonair fits better. <3
i dont agree with this being bad update or anything but i do believe that the ohko and evasion clauses should be removed from the ubers ladders... makes me QQ when blissey gets ohkod by kyogre sheercold
I had a feeling that this was gonna happen...Although I still think Evasion & OHKO clause is ignorable, I don't think ppl will stop these any time soon Wouldn't increasing the challenge window's size solve everything though (It'll mess with the themes but still...) Or maybe increase its width, and add a scroll bar for the clauses?...
Increasing the challenge window size is a hell of a lot of work. Anyway, I'll be staying out of this one, although I think there are other things which could have been removed and forced only in their own tiers, like CC/Wifi.
I'm not being particularly agressive, trust me. And as you can see, other people are agreeing. If I am being 'agressive' it is because I have an awful time trying to wrap my head around decisions that make no sense. As far as I know, there was a way to ban those moves in the previous updates as well, hence the 'No Hazards' tier that was sever updates ago. I only used Ubers as an example because further up you said "Just go to Challenge Cup tier or Ubers with your regular team and play with whatever/whoever you want if the tier you want to play in has those enforce/removed." which implied to me that Ubers did not have those clauses automatically put in. So what you are saying is that the only way to play without clauses is to play in the Challenge Cup tier? Also a bad idea.
Ok, I misread it then. But then, as I said before, you think letting OHKO and evasion in ubers is a GOOD idea?
Ubers is a tier where things that are banned from OU are allowed. Banning things from Ubers is a pretty bad idea and negates the purpose of a Ubers tier.
Ubers is the allowance of banned Pokemon, not necessarily clauses. It doesn't negate the purpose of ubers to include clauses at all. And like I said, it should be the people's choice entirely.
I'm not making any trouble about this; It's only a matter of getting used (Or make some random script in the "BeforeBattleStart"). But remove the Evasion Clause only for Claw Sharpen and Coil it's like nonsense... I mean, few Pokémon can learn Coil, and those who learns Claw Sharpen, in most of the cases don't use it; the Never-Misses moves, would be necessary, but the main users of that moves are easily KOed, or in the other cases; don't have enough power to deal with the DT / Minimize user. About the OHKO Clause, that mean a LOT of Articuno flying there, but there are even More Sturdy Pokémon that Articuno can get down, also, he gets 50% from Stealth Rock, the problem will be Smeargle, Spore - Agility - Mind Reader - Sheer Cold... If you don't have a Pokémon with Sturdy x: Whatever, the "main problem" will be about the Evasion Clause... ALL Pokémon can learn Double Team, and a few have the tools to do something agains them... that, or ScarfCrobat with Haze will be the new toy. PD: Maybe something make the Claw sharpen set on Jolly Doryuzzu for Sand Storm: Claw Sharpen, Horn Drill, Fissure and... I don't know... ¿Rock Slide?
I hope you know, Claw Sharpen doesn't affect the accuracy of OHKO moves, like Horn Drill and Fissure.
We could always have "Ubers HARDCORE" where things banned from Ubers are allowed. But seriously I am with putting them as optional clauses again. Until something to fill the space is found.