[Rejected] XY Team Tournament

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  1. The Lost Kingdom

    The Lost Kingdom "Silence is the best answer to a stupid question."

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    Welcome all to the XY Team Tournament! This is a tournament very similar to WCOP except this tournament will only be played using XY tiers (OU, UU, LU, NU, LC, Ubers and Doubles). Round 1 will be a group pool in the same fashion of R1 of WCOP and following rounds will be team vs. team.

    Clauses:

    · Sleep Clause ON (except for Doubles)

    · Item Clause OFF

    · OHKO Clause ON

    · Timer Clause ON

    · Moody Clause ON

    · Evasion Clause ON

    · Species Clause ON

    · Endless Battle Clause ON

    · Uber Clause ON (except for Ubers matches)

    On Activity:

    -If one user showed more activity through VM scheduling or through activity posts they will be awarded with an activity win that will have the same levity as a normal win.

    -If both users were inactive or if both attempted to schedule but neither showed more activity than the other the match will be coinflipped or possibly extended slightly in later rounds.

    -Do not schedule through PMs, if I don’t see the activity I’m going to assume there was none.

    Substitutions:

    -There will be 3 matches in the first round per player so activity is vital.

    -At the end of the first week I will tag the players who have not yet finished a match and will ask captains if they need to be subbed out.

    -If for whatever reason, later in the round if a player disappears or cannot complete the tournament, a captain may simply post in the thread asking for a sub and I will provide one.

    To sign up as a sub say “in as a sub” in this thread and list which tiers you can play.You must post "in" and the tiers you want to play if you sign up as a free agent, or you can make a team with other users/ join other people's teams.


    Everyone plays 3 matches.

    The top 2 teams in each pool will move on to the next round.
     
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  2. Weavile

    Weavile Phoenix

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    How big are teams? If everyone plays 3 matches how are you working this with 7 tiers?
    How are teams decided? How are captains decided?
    How are ties dealt with if even numbers of games are played?
    You might want to explain what "the next round" means. I can assume it's elimination playoffs based on my knowledge, but it'd be nice to know.
    How many teams are you going for?
    How many groups will there be?
    Who decides who plays what tiers?
    Can you be forced to play a tier you didn't sign up for?
    How are subs allocated to teams? Do they get forced in there by the host, are they chosen? What if they refuse to play for a team they are given to/chosen for?
    The OU Ban-list isn't a clause.
    Will you have a co-host in this venture? If not, could you find one?
     
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  3. The Lost Kingdom

    The Lost Kingdom "Silence is the best answer to a stupid question."

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    Hi Weavile.

    How big are teams? If everyone plays 3 matches how are you working this with 7 tiers?

    Teams will consist of 9 players, 2 OU Players, 1 Ubers Player, 1 UU Player, 1 Doubles Player, 1 NU Player, 1 LC Player and 1 LU Player.

    Each group contains 4 teams with 8 players in each team,for example, Group 1 contains 4 teams and each player will play 3 matches, Example: Draconinja vs Me, Draconinja vs Lutra, Draconinja vs Daybreak, so this how the tournament works.

    How are teams decided? How are captains decided?

    People will form teams and when thet have a complete team, then the team players decide the captain.

    How are ties dealt with if even numbers of games are played?

    The Captains of the teams will battle in best of 3, they have to play the tiers they signed up for, if it goes 1-1, the user who won with more pokemons left decideds the last tier.

    You might want to explain what "the next round" means. I can assume it's elimination playoffs based on my knowledge, but it'd be nice to know.

    Next Round will be Team Battle, Groups will be removed when Round 2 starts.

    How many teams are you going for?

    I am not sure maybe 16 but i don't if there will be 16 teams.

    How many groups will there be?

    Depends on the number of Teams.

    Who decides who plays what tiers?

    You can only play the tiers you signed up for, the captain decides the tier, but if you signed up for only one tier, you play that tier.

    Can you be forced to play a tier you didn't sign up for?

    No.

    How are subs allocated to teams? Do they get forced in there by the host, are they chosen? What if they refuse to play for a team they are given to/chosen for?

    After Sign-ups are closed, people can sign-up as a sub and i can add one of the subs if needed.

    If a user doesn't want to play for that team, he/she is out of the tour.

    Will you have a co-host in this venture? If not, could you find one?

    I will try to find as soon as possible.
     
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  4. Weavile

    Weavile Phoenix

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    So are you formatting that like a round robin and fumbling the explanation? As in; A plays B week 1 and then A plays C week 2. Or is that all happening in one week?

    Ok, what if they both win 2-0. Do you default to some tier? Randomly select from the tiers neither of them signed up for?

    That's 128 players. I doubt that will happen.

    So if everyone signs up for everything on a team then a captain can just shuffle around his players freely anyway. It may stop captains forcing people to play random tiers, but if they're trying to win they wouldn't do that unless it's a hole they can't fill.

    Then I assume the team, still missing a player, gets another activity loss (no fault of their own) and a new sub the next week?
     
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    The Lost Kingdom "Silence is the best answer to a stupid question."

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    There won't be weeks, i will give a 3 or 4 week deadline, if they both win 2-0, i will select a tier of my choice.The team which needs a sub won't lose to an activity, i will give 2-3 days extension and a sub.
     
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    Weavile Phoenix

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    Your choice isn't particularly impartial, it's very easy to give someone a favourable situation this way depending on how much you like them or don't like their opponent.

    Then if the sub can't play in those 2-3 days (which is likely for what will probably be a Monday-Wednesday)?
    Perhaps a system where teams sign up with subs already in their team? That way it's not your fault when their sub is inactive too.
     
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    The Lost Kingdom "Silence is the best answer to a stupid question."

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    I coinflip all the tiers on Pokemon showdown and paste the screenshot, yeah and teams can have 2 players for every tier(3 for OU), there will be a sub for every tier?
     
  8. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    I asked to be a co-host via VM and got OK'd by the original tour author, I'll work with them and make everything more clear later.
     
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    Sub for every tier is impossible on numbers alone.
    Subs aren't planned to be played so it's probably better to have 1 or 2 general subs that play everything.

    Anyway;
    - Large player number requirements that can't be met
    - Dubiousness of your proposed Tiebreak method
    - Similar room for imposed bias in your proposed sub system (again, you can give people better subs depending on your like or dislike for them)
    - Confusion regarding exact functioning of the proposed format. (Although I guess that's fixable if you find a Co-Host who's good at English and writes all the threads for you, while writing Joey posted, I guess he speak English well enough.)
    - Poor performance of previous non-official team tours (of more than 3 players)
    - Restrictions on tier playing that means even more players are required to make the tour run smoothly.
    - The host of other problems that come with team tours like this for both hosts and players.

    These things (mostly points 1, 2, 5 and 7) make me want to say
    Decline 1/2
     
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  10. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    OK, since he's currently offline or something for now and this already has a decline, I'll go ahead and put forward my changes.

    -Tournament structure is the same, with it being similar to POWC using only XY tiers and everything else that was stated in round 1.
    -Clauses: Sleep, Species, Wifi, and Self-KO. Nothing else strays from the usual OU clauses.
    -Right now, in terms of size, I'm thinking four teams of 7 with 1-2 subs per team. This will ensure that matches can be done in a specific and swift manner.
    -Usual activity rules apply and the same structure that I've used in my other tours apply: 2 weeks for Round 1, everything else is one week. Best of 1 per match, except for the finals in this case, which will be Best of 3 per match.
    -After all four teams have played each other, the two teams with the highest score will play each other in the finals (+1 for a win, -1 for a loss, +-0 if the match isn't done and there's no sign of who's more active).
    -During sign-ups, the person posting for the team will post a team name as well as who is playing which tier.
     
  11. The Lost Kingdom

    The Lost Kingdom "Silence is the best answer to a stupid question."

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    I am changing the tour.

    Welcome all to the XY Team Tournament! This tournament will only be played only in XY tiers (OU, UU, LC, Ubers.

    Clauses:

    · Sleep Clause ON

    · Item Clause OFF

    · OHKO Clause ON

    · Timer Clause ON

    · Moody Clause ON

    · Evasion Clause ON

    · Species Clause ON

    · Endless Battle Clause ON

    · Uber Clause ON (except for Ubers matches)

    On Activity:

    -If one user showed more activity through VM scheduling or through activity posts they will be awarded with an activity win that will have the same levity as a normal win.

    -If both users were inactive or if both attempted to schedule but neither showed more activity than the other the match will be coinflipped or possibly extended slightly in later rounds.

    -Do not schedule through PMs, if I don’t see the activity I’m going to assume there was none.

    Substitutions:

    -There will be 3 matches in the first round so activity is vital.

    -At the end of the first round I will tag the players who have not yet finished a match and will ask captains if they need to be subbed out.

    -If for whatever reason, later in the round if a player disappears or cannot complete the tournament, a captain may simply post in the thread asking for a sub and I will provide one.

    To sign up as a sub say “in as a sub” in this thread and list which tiers you can play.You must post "in" and the tiers you want to play if you sign up as a free agent, or you can make a team with other users/ join other people's teams.

    The top 2 Teams in each pool will move to the next round.

    Note:There will be 12 teams, 6 teams in each group(2 groups).

    I also agree with JoeyPals.
     
  12. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    Going to disagree with this format, you're not gonna get the people needed for what you want and it's still not compact with issues Weavile brought up not resolved. As such, going to suggest we go with my format that I stated, OK buddy?
     
  13. The Lost Kingdom

    The Lost Kingdom "Silence is the best answer to a stupid question."

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    Yeah, that's fine too.
     
  14. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    So, to recap, what Kingdom and I will be going with for this review is this (I can update it to a thread format for the sign-ups).

     
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    Well, what he didn't specify in his post is that the teams are now 4 players.
    I discussed this in PM with him.
    Your (joey) proposed format also does not address the concerns I listed with the exception of clarity and the sub system.

    The reduction in team player numbers is the main thing that would make me not reject this tour. Large teams mean large amounts of organisation and large amounts to go wrong. As well as a requirement for more people that we generally don't have sufficient numbers for.
     
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    With that in mind then, how does 8 teams of 4 sound with the tiers being XY OU, Ubers, UU, and LC with a pool of subs?
     
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    The Lost Kingdom "Silence is the best answer to a stupid question."

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    I agree with Joeypals.
     
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    Samphire Too much hard work!

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    I am going to say that I still have issues with this. I still do not think this is going to be a viable tour to run, as tours with teams of over 3 players don't seem to work outside of an official capacity. I can see you have tried to work through the issues, but I still do not think at this current moment we can entertain a tour of this structure, even with amendments.

    Regretfully, I am going to decline.
    2/2
     
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    @The Lost Kingdom
    We don't have a rule against completely stealing tour threads from somewhere else.
    However it would be common courtesy to actually credit the person and not completely snake their idea as if it's yours.
    :^[
     
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