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  1. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    Because my Internet is so bad I can't actually play this game properly, let's make a mafia theme out of it instead.

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    What really stood out is the sheer amount of material in the game that can be used to make a theme - 119 champions as of the newest one, Gnar, while the standard mafia theme needs a little less than 40-45 roles to function. Also characteristic in a lot of roles in this theme are special abilities called 'ultimates' in League jargon, which translate to very powerful power roles arriving when these abilities can be activated.

    Roles:

    Village (Demacia)

    Minion
    Standard villager. Might have a chance of a cannon minion (stronger variant) spawning, with something like 1.5 votes, but I'd rather have vanillas be vanillas more often than not.

    Lux

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    The Lady of Luminosity. A standard exposer that reveals herself, but she can't claim because of a Kefka role and a few daykillers. Haven't really found a use for her ultimate, Final Spark, unless I want to go the Neptunium route and give her global distracts for one night. Edit: I did. Final Spark is a night 4 distract that can distract as many targets as Lux can type. Only able to be used night tho.

    Garen

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    The Might of Demacia. He is a 2-shot bulletproof with the ability to daykill someone once per game starting day 4 with his ultimate, Judgment. Probably the best person to go to if you need a claim, I might make him expose daykillers if mafia zones out village too hard so that no one can claim and connect.

    Jarvan IV
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    The Exemplar of Demacia. Has 4 votes because he's the 4th of his name (I'm clever). He knows Xin Zhao, the BG, from the start. Author Note: Kinda want a one-time daykill for him so I get an excuse to write "DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" in the daykill message.

    Xin Zhao
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    The Seneschal of Demacia, he's the BG and knows Jarvan IV from the start. Interestingly enough his BG is also a guard from being copied by Yasuo's Steel Tempest - more on that later.

    Quinn
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    Demacia's Wings. She can watch one person during the night. On night 3 she can choose to tag out and send her eagle, Valor, out. Valor has 2 nightkill charges.

    Vayne
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    Probably Batwoman. She can stalk one person during the night cause she's the Night Hunter and wants to PURGE THE LAND OF EVIL. On night 4 she can activate her ultimate, Final Hour, and kill one person during the night something something Vayne scales hard in late game.

    Sona
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    Fanservice. The Maven of the Strings. She can distract one person during the night, I might add something related to her passive so she can change auras or something, but eh.

    Shyvana
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    The Half-Dragon. Can kill every other night. Starting night 3 she can convert into her Dragon Form, where she is immune to nightkills and can kill every night, but this only lasts for 2 turns.

    Fiora
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    The Grand Duelist. This is where author bias comes in: she can either /riposte herself to give her a -5 voteshield for one day, or /duel someone so both Fiora and her target have a 9999 voteshield (so only one of them will be lynched most likely). Finally found a way to get the forum mafia role Gladiator into server mafia.

    Note: Fiora is revealed to everyone when she issues her duel (what kind of duelist would hide her identity when she issues a public challenge?) and I don't know how to fix this right now but Fiora receives the identity of her opponent. This is basically an inspect but when the inspector is revealed it's not that great, also since you can only lynch between the two for the day I don't think it's that much of a problem.

    Lucian
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    The Purifier. He can't be poisoned, and his /purify command is both a safeguard and a detox. While the safeguarder role usually doesn't do much, this theme has a lot of poisons, so he gets to spawn quite early. Also starting day 4 he can daykill once per game with his ultimate, The Culling.

    Ashe
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    The Frost Archer. Yeah she's Frejlord but Demacia ran out of champs to use (not familiar with Galio, he's been a bit unpopular from my perspecive). Anyways, she can send out her Hawkshot with /hawk to inspect someone. Starting day 4 she also has a daykill once per game like Lucian thanks to her Enchanted Crystal Arrow.

    Ezreal
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    The Prodigal Explorer. I really have no other roles to do by this point, so he inspects the side of a target like Soren in FE. Also he evades one nightkill (can't really find anything to do with Trueshot Barrage without making yet ANOTHER daykill).

    Caitlyn
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    The Sheriff of Piltover. Her ultimate just screams daykill but nope, in this theme, she utilizes her Yordle Snap Traps to be able to inspect whether her target wants to eat a cupcake or not. So she gets a positive result if she targets a mafia role from Bandle City or the Void, but also some friendly roles (like Valor). Teemo doesn't get caught because he is literally Satan. She can also distract with /net during the night.

    Irelia
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    The Will of the Blades. Because so many ultimates have a limited amount of charges, she's able to /surge one person during the night to give them an extra charge (this doesn't work if they have none left, I think).

    Lee Sin
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    The Blind Monk. A JOAT with two charges of kill, protect, safeguard, and distract, because he's quite versatile both in lore and in game.

    Mafia

    Noxus

    Katarina
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    The Sinister Blade. Her splash-art is meh, go High Command Kat. Anyways, she can kill during the night and starting night 3 she has 3 charges of poison, once per night (in an attempt to recreate her ult Death Lotus).

    Swain
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    Jericho Swain, the Master Tactician. He can root (distract) one person during the night and shares the factional kill. Also if you lynch him he turns into a bird (as per his ult), where he's immune to nightkills.

    Darius
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    The Hand of Noxus. He's pretty tanky so he's the mafia BG (also kills during the night). I managed to sneak in his passive Hemmorage by making it so that anyone who attacks him is poisoned.

    Draven
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    Welcome to the League of Draven. He can't nightkill, but he does have an unrevealing daykill and can't be daykilled back because he's the best executioner around Noxus and has thousands of adoring fans.

    Zaun

    Singed
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    The Mad Chemist. Can poison during the night, and on night 4 he drinks his Insanity Potion, giving him 3 votes and a one-shot bulletproof.

    Dr. Mundo
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    The Madman of Zaun (hmm, seeing a trend?). Can cleave (poison) one person during the night. On night 3 he can choose to use Sadism on himself, which poisons him for 3 nights but makes him immune to distracts and gives him a voteshield of -99. Pretty strong in midgames where it often doesn't last till night 6, I suppose.

    Warwick
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    The Blood Hunter. He gets the stereotypical werewolf role in the form of his ultimate Infinite Duress, where he has one shot to /supress someone with a priority that outspeeds BGs and PLs. Can also nightkill with the team.

    Viktor
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    The Machine Herald. You are able to convert into three different forms but can only choose one at the start: /hex gives you a distract, /hex2 gives you +2 votes, /hex3 gives you a protect. Can also kill with the team.

    The Void

    Kog'Maw
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    The Mouth of the Abyss. Kog'Maw eats stuff. He can kill during the night and is a mafia vengeful (when killed, activates his passive Icathian Surprise and /surprise is a separate kill with highest priority in the game. Ever).

    Kha'Zix

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    The Voidreaver, he has evolution points in game which translates to him being able to convert one of his assets: /claws makes him unable to be distracted, /spikes gives him a poison, and /wings gives him a -2 voteshield. Also can kill during the night.

    Cho'Gath
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    Talk about a mouthful. The Terror of the Void, he works in a way similar to the Monster Hunters of the eponymous theme that JhenMohran and obey to kyubey made; his /feast command, which you can use every other night, makes him copy the role he targets. It kills them and gives him properties based on the side of the role:

    Demacia: -2 voteshield.
    Noxus: His feast can be used every night.

    Zaun: Poison every night.
    Bandle City: 50% to evade nightkills.

    Once feast is used to copy an enemy Cho'Gath can't get any more attributes else he'd be a scary late game monster.

    Malzahar
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    The Prophet of the Void. His influence gives him 3 votes and on night 3 he can use his ultimate, Nether Grasp, to poison (count of 0) and distract someone. Only one charge though. Can kill during the night as usual.

    Bandle City

    Teemo
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    Short preamble: the Bandle City side is probably one of the most infuriating sides to take down in all of mafia. Teemo inspects as a Minion, can /run to evade nightkills OR /blind someone to poison and distract them. He has a -3 voteshield AND a one-shot lynch immunity, meaning he's extremely difficult to take down (just daykill him lol)

    Lulu
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    The Fae Sorceress. Her vote is 2 thanks to her fairy companion, Pix. She can convert someone into a squirrel with /whimsy (a squirrel is town-sided but has 0 votes and they just stand there lol), and has two charges of this. She can also /enlarge to give one of her allies +2 votes (this is not a stacking ability, thankfully.) As if Teemo had to be even harder to lynch.

    Ziggs
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    The Hexplosives Expert. He can kill during the night and his ultimate, the Mega Inferno Bomb, can be cast every other night starting night 3 as a separate kill that pierces protects. Also he kills anyone who tries to kill him (he's a bomb user, what else would you expect).

    Shadow Isles

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    The Eternal Nightmare. Nocturne is alone for quite some time in the spawn, so he gets a ton of abilities:
    - Inspects as Minion.
    - Can't be distracted.
    - Can't be stalked.
    - Unrevealing daykill.
    - Nightkill.

    Mordekaiser
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    The Master of Metal. Morde es numero uno. He can /curse one person during the night to poison them and convert them into a Ghost, which can shield Mordekaiser or Nocturne (they're poisoned though, so they'll die the next night). Might need a voteshield for survivability though.

    Thresh
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    The Chain Warden. Can protect one person during the night. Can distract one person during the night too. Lanterns are cool. Chains are cooler.

    Solo Roles

    Jax
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    Grandmaster-at-Arms. He uses a lamp as a weapon. Badass over here. Anyways, he can either /kill during the night or use Counter Strike (counter) to protect himself from nightkills. He has two daykill evade charges, and if he survives till night 5, he gets a -999 voteshield. To top it all off he inspects as a Minion, because no one really knows who he is (that hood tho)

    Yasuo
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    The Unforgiven. This is actually quite a fun role to use. Yasuo can use /tempest on one person during the night. If he succeeds, he copies into another form which gets 2 nightkills. He has to keep landing /tempest to secure his nightkills else he can't nightkill, so hitting someone like Teemo (again........) or Lucian (because he's just that badass) will stop Yasuo's wombo combo. A good Yasuo will just steamroll through everyone while a bad one will do nothing. Did I mention he evades 70% of nightkills?

    Note: Roles that ignore Tempest are Garen, Xin Zhao, Teemo, Lucian, Swain in ultimate form, and any of Viktor's/Cho'Gath's/Kha'Zix's transformations.

    Spawn (probably needs work)
    List 1 (5~6 players):
    1. Minion (villager)
    2. Minion (villager)
    3. Minion (villager)
    4. Jarvan IV (jarvan)
    5. Teemo (teemo)
    6. Vayne (vayne)

    List 2 (7~22 players):
    1. Lucian (lucian)
    2. Katarina (kat)
    3. Darius (darius)
    4. Quinn (quinn)
    5. Jarvan IV (jarvan)
    6. Minion (villager)
    7. Dr. Mundo (mundo)
    8. Minion (villager)
    9. Xin Zhao (xinzhao)
    10. Warwick (warwick)
    11. Sona (sona)
    12. Garen (garen)
    13. Teemo (teemo)
    14. Lux (lux)
    15. Minion (villager)
    16. Draven (draven)
    17. Singed (singed)
    18. Vayne (vayne)
    19. Yasuo (yasuo)
    20. Shyvana (shyvana)
    21. Nocturne (nocturne)
    22. Mordekaiser (mordekaiser)

    List 3 (23~40 players):
    1. Lucian (lucian)
    2. Katarina (kat)
    3. Darius (darius)
    4. Quinn (quinn)
    5. Jarvan IV (jarvan)
    6. Minion (villager)
    7. Dr. Mundo (mundo)
    8. Minion (villager)
    9. Warwick (warwick)
    10. Xin Zhao (xinzhao)
    11. Sona (sona)
    12. Garen (garen)
    13. Teemo (teemo)
    14. Lux (lux)
    15. Minion (villager)
    16. Draven (draven)
    17. Singed (singed)
    18. Vayne (vayne)
    19. Yasuo (yasuo)
    20. Shyvana (shyvana)
    21. Kog'Maw (kogmaw)
    22. Kha'Zix (khazix)
    23. Cho'Gath (chogath)
    24. Fiora (fiora)
    25. Ashe (ashe)
    26. Nocturne (nocturne)
    27. Mordekaiser (mordekaiser)
    28. Ezreal (ez)
    29. Ziggs (ziggs)
    30. Lulu (lulu)
    31. Minion (villager)
    32. Caitlyn (cait)
    33. Swain (swain)
    34. Viktor (viktor)
    35. Irelia (irelia)
    36. Malzahar (malzahar)
    37. Minion (villager)
    38. Jax (jax)
    39. Lee Sin (leesin)
    40. Minion (villager)



    Spawn explanation:

    Roles 1 is a simple goal: kill the Teemo. Even if Teemo hits Jarvan n1, village can still attempt to lynch Teemo - after finding him, it's an easy win to just lynch him again before Jarvan dies to poison. Not hitting Jarvan n1 makes it infinitely easier as long as there's one minion alive to help Jarvan vote him off. Vayne comes at 6 to make things easier.

    Roles2 introduces Noxus and Zaun. I put Lucian in the spawn early to counteract Mundo's poison (and to a lesser extent, Kat's). Jarvan is around for some needed votepower, as it's 4v2v1 at 7 and there's no BG or PL around. Darius' BG or passive isn't really needed early, he's just there for another mafia member. Quinn provides an info gathering role and she can tag out for Valor if Mundo proves too much with his Sadism.

    I throw in a minion then Xin Zhao at 9, because only Noxus' kill can really be stopped by him and there still aren't any real hard info gathering roles. Xin also provides some ambiguity if Quinn watches someone who doesn't die (is it Xin protecting Jarvan or Darius protecting Kat or just Mundo poisoning someone?).

    Next Warwick comes in to threaten any protected targets, which endangers both Noxus and Demacia, but with all the kills being thrown around I have Sona in at 11 to help keep village numbers relatively safe thanks to her PL. Garen comes in as a relatively safe claim because Warwick can't kill him and Lucian can protect him from poison. Not sure if village would be too OP at this point.

    Teemo at 13 nullifies Jarvan to an extent and just annoys everyone in general. A powerful lone role at this point is something I took from FF where it's 8v2v2v1 when Kefka comes in.

    Lux is an exposer, but can't really expose safely thanks to Warwick around, however she can spam her expose if there seems to be more deaths than normal during a night. Toss in another villager here so mafia can hide better. I might consider moving Draven up though.

    Draven endangers everyone. He can't nightkill but he also can't be daykilled at this point so Lucian's ultimate doesn't threaten him, not to mention Draven's daykill is unrevealing anyways. Singed helps balance out Draven's spawn and he's quite potent if he survives till late game.

    Vayne for more information and killing power if needed. Village killers tend to spawn around this point (18) in popular themes. Yasuo at 19 gives people an incentive to join, I've seen lots of tricks to gain players like "guys 2 more for Haku" or something. OP lone roles are fun. Shyvana then comes in as a proper vigilante.

    For roles2, the Shadow Isles then drop in at 21 and 22 with Nocturne just wrecking everyone and Mordekaiser making up for their small numbers with ghosting (lol). At 23 however, they are replaced by the Void mafia side. Cho'Gath has a lot of feasting capabilities thanks to all mafia sides being open to him.

    Most village roles past this are quite powerful because of the amount of killing that's going on. Fiora's voteshield comes in useful lategame, giving the village a VCLR if she times her ripostes right; her /duel is something that will remain to be tested cause I think it's more fun and risky than viable. We finally get a proper inspector in Ashe (lol) and another d4 daykiller. Then Nocturne and Morde come back in.

    Ezreal at 28 to balance the double Shadow Isle spawn, then only at 29 do I give Teemo his partners in Lulu and Ziggs, who will probably dominate if they survive to late game to counteract the village's late game power.

    After this there's not much to do; I fill with the rest of the PRs, give Noxus, Zaun, and the Void their 4th members, and toss in Jax at 38 because he can probably win games single-handedly when he has daykill immunity, nightkill immunity, and a giant voteshield.


    Priority:
    [1] Jax (Counter)
    [2] Kog'Maw (Surprise)
    [3] Warwick (Suppress)
    [4] Malzahar (Grasp)
    [5] Fiora (Riposte)
    [6] Thresh (Flay)
    [6] Lee Sin (Distract)
    [6] Lux (Distract)
    [6] Caitlyn (Snare)
    [6] Sona (Distract)
    [6] Teemo (Blind)
    [6] Swain (Root)
    [6] Viktor (Distract)
    [7] Viktor (Protect)
    [7] Xin Zhao (Protect)
    [7] Lee Sin (Protect)
    [7] Thresh (Protect)
    [7] Ghost (Shield)
    [7] Darius (Protect)
    [8] Lee Sin (Safeguard)
    [8] Lucian (Purify)
    [8] Teemo (Run)
    [9] Fiora (Duel)
    [10] Katarina (Lotus)
    [11] Yasuo (Kill)
    [12] Jax (Kill)
    [13] Swain (Kill)
    [13] Katarina (Kill)
    [13] Darius (Kill)
    [14] Ziggs (Kill)
    [14] Ziggs (Bomb)
    [15] Kog'Maw (Kill)
    [15] Kha'Zix (Kill)
    [15] Cho'Gath (Feast)
    [15] Malzahar (Kill)
    [16] Warwick (Kill)
    [16] Dr. Mundo (Kill)
    [16] Viktor (Kill)
    [17] Vayne (Hunt)
    [17] Valor (Kill)
    [17] Shyvana (Kill)
    [18] Nocturne (Kill)
    [19] Lee Sin (Kill)
    [20] Dr. Mundo (Cleave)
    [20] Singed (Poison)
    [20] Kha'Zix (Poison)
    [20] Cho'Gath (Poison)
    [30] Caitlyn (Trap)
    [30] Ezreal (Inspect)
    [30] Ashe (Hawk)
    [35] Mordekaiser (Curse)
    [40] Viktor (Hex)
    [40] Kha'Zix (Claws)
    [40] Kha'Zix (Wings)
    [40] Quinn (Convert)
    [40] Dr. Mundo (Sadism)
    [40] Kha'Zix (Spikes)
    [40] Shyvana (Convert)
    [50] Irelia (Surge)
    [60] Vayne (Stalk)
    [60] Lulu (Whimsy)
    [60] Lulu (Enlarge)
    [70] Quinn (Watch)
    [80] Yasuo (Tempest)
    Role Possibilities:
    - Kayle. I see Intervention being very fun, could be thrown on Demacia's side.
    - Rengar. A daykiller with great quotes ("ANOTHER PIECE FOR MY COLLECTION") and a guy who just jumps out at you from the bushes is scary af
    - Nasus. Let me just farm my Q for 40 minutes then kill everyone. Black Knight?
    - Twisted Fate. If only to bring Destiny into a mafia theme (hello unlimited inspects / hax)
     
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  2. Cheezeburgar

    Cheezeburgar dankest john

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    No Cannon Minion? :c no love, rip.
    Could make him similar to strong leaf shinobi. But village is pretty strong, and Teemo should have a VS of -2 not -3. (from my experience with this theme on po2...)

    [5:54:24 PM] Spectre Vietpride: also you forgot one thing about mordekaiser

    huehuehueheuhueheu
     
  3. RudeStyle

    RudeStyle A year late x D

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    No Ahri bad theme gg

    The Flavor looks really good, it resembles League of Legends pretty well like Teemo being Super annoying, Kha'zix with his evolutions and Mordekaiser with his ghosts. Village looks pretty strong. Maybe you could make Lux's ult to let her distract someone once when Garen dies. :o Since they are siblings, although Village is strong enough already.
     
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    Paradoxial Drawing an avatar sometime this year -.-

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    No [Favorite champion], [synonym for bad] theme. Also, you should remove all the champions and just make it Space Invaders with minions and turrets.

    Shadow Isle seems to die pretty easily. Maybe adding Thresh with a BG could help them survive all of the kills?
     
  5. Whereabouts Unknown

    Whereabouts Unknown Absolutely Stunning Forum Moderator Channel Leader Forum Moderator Channel Leader

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    I've never actually played LoL but I have a few friends that are really into it, and I know enough to tell that the roles simulate participation as the characters they represent. Their roles are flavored with their actions, and you found ways to work stuff like passives and ults into a mafia setting.

    Looking at actual gameplay, I look forward to potentially playing it on the server in the future. Many of the roles are interesting and unique. I have a concern about this setup though:
    1. █ Minion (villager) - 1 votes
    2. █ Minion (villager) - 1 vote
    3. █ Minion (villager) - 1 vote
    4. █ Jarvan IV (jarvan) - 4 votes
    5. █ Teemo (teemo) - Lynch escape, -3 voteshield, Reverse Miller, can poison+distract or protect self
    6. █ Vayne (vayne) - Stalker, can kill n4
    The problem I see here is that if Teemo hits Jarvan n1, the village literally cannot win. Even if they lynch Teemo d1, Jarvan will die and the next vote will tie. I think the -3 VS is excessive, at least for non-peak, and Teemo is already annoying enough with lynch escape/ax/self-protect/distract+poison. Having a mayor in the setup would still be beneficial to gameplay because it's a role that Teemo must make sure not to be stuck with 1v1.

    Anyways, Teemo is a cool role but a little bit overwhelming in that setup.

    On the topic of Teemo, I was thinking that it's a shame that Ashe doesn't spawn for a long time. I like the mini-game that Teemo and Ashe can create. Because Teemo is a Reverse Miller, and Ashe will more likely than not find at least two Minions in the first 4 turns, she can't easily find Teemo. But a daykill is one of the few things that can actually end him, and she has one charge of it. Maybe not in 5-6p, but in 11/12+ it could be interesting to have Ashe and Teemo spawn in a list 3. Lucian is already in there as a SG/Detoxer, which would be interesting; though Teemo would need the VS to beat them 1v1. The village could also benefit from more ways t0 get information before Lux shows up in the spawn.
    Good luck in review, once it becomes a thing again!
     
  6. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    Don't mind the spawns right now I'm reworking them quite intensively. Might make Teemo's poison 2 days cause I did realize that Jarvan problem.

    Thresh as BG would be good idea, most of my problems come in finding enough room to squeeze all the mafia in and what mafia I want to prioritize. I do know that I'd want Teemo in early yet won't give him partners until late (20+ perhaps) because he's such a strong lone role, but I also need to get Nocturne and Yasuo in as lone roles before 22 or so. So there's a lot of lone roles. I'll figure something out.

    Still looking for Lux ult suggestions.

    EDIT: The reason why Ashe doesn't spawn so early is because she's not Demacian (same for Caitlyn, Ezreal, Irelia, Lee Sin). I could easily tweak a few of the Demacian roles to accomodate for early game balance however.
     
  7. Vietpride

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    Don't use Thresh as the BG instead use Maokai. Maokai is one of the tankiest champions in the LoL meta at the moment because of his ultimate reducing damage around him.
     
  8. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    Maokai hates how the Shadow Isles were corrupted though iirc, seems more natural for the guy with the lantern escape to save his teammates
     
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    Paradoxial Drawing an avatar sometime this year -.-

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    Rengar could be a solo daykill-lyncher role whose goal is killing Kha'Zix. If someone else kills Kha'Zix, he could either get buffed/nerfed and try to win solo, or he could join the village as a stalker or something similar.

    Lux's ultimate could stop all night actions from happening for a turn.
     
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    I second this over a global distract (typing in everyone's name is meh). For gameplay's sake, I think it would be cool if it was onDeath like 3 from Math. It would be useful because it would be a disincentive to kill exposed Lux. Which means she can claim and do some work, because if she does die she's giving the village an extra free turn to lynch. Mafia has to decide if another Expose or a lost turn is more punishing. Doesn't make as much sense with flavor, but oh well.
     
  11. DatXFire

    DatXFire Never gonna use an avatar

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    Played several smaller versions of the theme on PO2, as long as a minion doesn't counter claim poison (*cough*cheeze*cough*) the game is interesting pending who teemo hits. I have two concerns although being entirely biased in favor of this theme, number 1 being the spawn (which I know you are working on) due to the fact that many of the village roles have game changing commands thus leaving balance important. My other concern is as usual with PR heavy themes: if there are too many PRs it becomes less about a game of strategy and more about a game of who hits what commands on who and how lucky do they get.
    Just be wary of the balance of the spawn and putting in too many PRs in large games. I have yet to check the code/spawn so I don't know if you have different versions of the village PRs for varying spawns (i.e. Ashe spawn early without her daykill), but it is something to consider. Also, after thinking about it for a minute, the vote phase is also going to be absolute hell.Many characters have voteshields, mini kuja votes, actual kuja votes (Fiora) and things like that, so it is going to be very difficult to tell who is who during the voting phase which will require a lot of playtesting.
    I've known you for a long time Wind and have every respect for you; this theme has potential but will probably require a lot of balancing due to the sheer number of roles. I hope you are committed to working hard to perfect the theme, and if not find somebody who can if you get busy with school. As a big fan of Mafia and LoL, this could be a very intriguing addition to the server. However, we need to make sure it doesn't turn into another killfest (looking at you Castle) or PRfest (WWW).
    On a final note, I think the lux ult could be a very interesting mechanic, it slows down the pace of the game a little and allows everyone to focus on the game, while giving village an extra day to lynch.

    These are my thoughts at 10 'til 3 AM (man I feel like I'm in QC again lol) so please excuse any grammatical/spelling/other errors I've made.

    -Dat
     
  12. -Leon-

    -Leon- bae <3

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    @MUMU :]] u can play league now LOL
     
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  13. Pandaofazn

    Pandaofazn Member

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    I like this, flavour is nice, except it seems that Villy is OP. I like it otherwise, it recreates a good scenario like you're within an actual game. Its good otherwise, and spawn list seems good.
     
  14. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    I don't always call bullshit on reviews - oh wait, I usually do.

    How is my village OP? You don't get a proper vigilante until 20, you don't get a single reliable daykiller, and you can't have a single role that can claim 99% safely (hello Mike Kirby).

    On another note, really slacking on Thresh addition + Lux changes but I'll get to them soon, I promise.
     
  15. Vietpride

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    Village isn't OP especially when there are killers and they have no way to fight back during the night until night 3 or 4 which they get their ultimate at level 6. Also one thing about Kha zix, he can evolve his ultimate which give him instant stealth for a few seconds and has 3 charge. Maybe you can implement an night/day evade or lynch protection when someone evolve his ultimate.
     
  16. Pandaofazn

    Pandaofazn Member

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    Had a look again at the spawn list and the roles. Villy is not OP. I apologize for the confusion
     
  17. Paradoxial

    Paradoxial Drawing an avatar sometime this year -.-

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    League of Legends is restarting its lore, so the flavor might become invalid when they make the new lore. Hopefully, the champions will remain mostly the same.
     
  18. Vietpride

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    The lore changes are only affecting champions that are associated with Shurima, so there not much changes to this theme
     
  19. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    Patch Notes

    Finally updated with Thresh and Lux's ultimate.

    Thresh:
    - A Shadow Isles bodyguard with a distract as well.

    Lux:
    - Final Spark can only be used Night 4, and the user can distract as many people as they can type during the night (like Neptunium from Elements)
     
  20. Micaiah

    Micaiah Bop it

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    Hi not sure why this hasn't be given any love lol but overall this is a really solid theme. All of the sides are balanced, with not one side over powering the other. Solo roles all look like they can win the games by themselves, without being too OP which is something that can be difficult to pull off. One worry though is about Lulu's whimsy, seems to be really strong ability, even if only can be used twice. Basically a much much more powerful morph imo. Nonpeak setup is unique and fun, having played it myself a couple times. Not much to add tbh since this is a really solid theme.
     
  21. Pandaofazn

    Pandaofazn Member

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    I dunno how the new QC system works, but for what its worth, Accept (1).

    I see a unique theme, with great balance between sides, and one that has a great non-peak flavour that is deliciously unique from other non peak themes out there, and seeing how LoL is such a huge game, I am astonished that this hasn't been implemented already. Good Stuff.
     
  22. VirajVora

    VirajVora VirajVora...

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    You don't have rights to accept/test/decline unless you are a QC member...
     
  23. Cheezeburgar

    Cheezeburgar dankest john

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    Ok so for those possible roles you have listed:
    - Kayle. I see Intervention being very fun, could be thrown on Demacia's side.
    - Rengar. A daykiller with great quotes ("ANOTHER PIECE FOR MY COLLECTION") and a guy who just jumps out at you from the bushes is scary af
    - Nasus. Let me just farm my Q for 40 minutes then kill everyone. Black Knight?
    - Twisted Fate. If only to bring Destiny into a mafia theme (hello unlimited inspects / hax)

    1. Kayle: She is not aligned with a faction, but she is the "judge." (Kayle is one you see when you go to the tribunal.) So maybe I would think of her being a solo role that has limitted self bgs, can expose other players, and maybe has a vote count of 3? This theme is going to be quite full of pr's, but it fits well with the concept.

    2. Rengar: To go with his trophy passive, each kill should give him a sort of reward. Definitely a night killer because of bushes and shit, and to be able to protect him from stacking rewards by BG or PL. Maybe with each kill, he earns one inspect? Nothing that would make him too powerful.

    3. Susan: OMG LOL I GOT SUSAN GAME OVER!!?!! Has to be killed twice in order to die. Because fuck susan.

    4. Twisted Fate: Every other night, he can use his ultimate to inspect anyone, and not be stopped by distract, noticed by hax/inspector/spy, or stopped by safeguard. (Is there even a safeguard from inspects? Didn't see one) Also because he rolls dice whenever he kills a minion or other champion, maybe he could have an inconsistent vote #, if this can be coded. (IMO have three TF chars coded, each with different votes, and every night he changes between those 3 randomly but you do not know how many votes you have, and the vote range should be -1 to 1)

    More Suggestions:

    Lee sin:
    PO goes black, and you are unable to notice what is going on. (Also able to /dash to an ally if they are poisoned to delay the poison one day. Usable once in small games)

    Spawn:
    6 Player spawn: 2v2v2
    Don't know who I would put in there for the teams but this seems balanced to me.

    Teemo:
    Remove either the voteshield, or the vote immunity for small games.

    Also windblown stop feeding :[
     
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  24. Micaiah

    Micaiah Bop it

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    locked because dead author. can resubmit once alive again
     
  25. Whereabouts Unknown

    Whereabouts Unknown Absolutely Stunning Forum Moderator Channel Leader Forum Moderator Channel Leader

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    Officially un-locked, cactuar CLAIM PLS

    Since author is back this theme has been resubmitted to review. It requires 4 reviews an a min of 60 for test, 75 for approval as per the normal guidelines. We'll get to assignments soon.
     
  26. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    I'm not sure why this theme is enabled on server right now, but I got a good testing log out of it (credit to @EljayQuiz )

    (20:32:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:32:48) Times Up! :
    (20:32:48) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (20:32:48) ±Game: You are a Minion!
    (20:32:48) ±Game: You're a minion who mindless heads towards the enemy Nexus and tries to destroy anything in your way. But you're not very strong, so all you can do is /vote during the day!
    (20:32:48) ±Current Roles: Darius, Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Katarina, Lucian, Minion, Minion, Quinn, Xin Zhao.
    (20:32:48) ±Current Players: Amane Ohtori, EvilDingoRobot, Karp Karpity, Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, Shadow_Worgen, Windblown, riko.
    (20:32:49) ±Current Team: Jarvan IV, Lucian, Minion, Minion, Quinn, Xin Zhao
    (20:32:49) ±Time: Night 1
    (20:32:49) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (20:32:49) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:32:49) EvilDingoRobot: why are we not friends on LoL
    (20:32:53) Misa Amane changed names and is now known as Meta Knight.
    (20:32:53) +Amane Ohtori: it says
    (20:32:57) +Amane Ohtori: I am sided with the wind mage
    (20:32:58) +Amane Ohtori: WHO WANTS TO DIE
    (20:32:59) Windblown: NO ON ECLAIMS
    (20:33:06) Mafia VS Scum: Amane Ohtori
    (20:33:07) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (20:33:07) ±Role: Jarvan IV
    (20:33:07) ±Ability: Vote of 4. Knows Xin Zhao. Sided with Demacia.
    (20:33:07) ±Players: 4-40 Players
    (20:33:07) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (20:33:09) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (20:33:09) ±Role: Xin Zhao
    (20:33:09) ±Ability: Can protect one person during the night. Knows Jarvan IV. Sided with Demacia.
    (20:33:09) ±Players: 9-40 Players
    (20:33:09) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (20:33:12) Mafia VS Scum: im not village or mafia
    (20:33:14) Mafia VS Scum: so dont shoot me
    (20:33:17) +Amane Ohtori: ok
    (20:33:20) Windblown: actually jarvan can
    (20:33:20) riko: dunkmasterr
    (20:33:25) +Amane Ohtori: but mundo
    (20:33:27) +Amane Ohtori: poisons?
    (20:33:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:33:28) Times Up! :
    (20:33:28) ±Kill: Shadow_Worgen (Xin Zhao) died!
    (20:33:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:33:28) ±Current Roles: Darius, Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Katarina, Lucian, Minion, Minion, Quinn.
    (20:33:28) ±Current Players: Amane Ohtori, EvilDingoRobot, Karp Karpity, Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, Windblown, riko.
    (20:33:28) ±Current Team: Jarvan IV, Lucian, Minion, Minion, Quinn
    (20:33:28) ±Time: Day 1 (Standby)
    (20:33:28) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (20:33:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:33:29) Windblown: you have lucian
    (20:33:30) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (20:33:30) ±Role: Dr. Mundo
    (20:33:30) ±Ability: Can cleave (poison) one person during the night (shared with Singed). Can sadism on night 3: Sadism poisons Mundo for 3 days, but he can kill during the night without being distracted and gains a -99 voteshield. Sided with Zaun.
    (20:33:30) ±Players: 7-40 Players
    (20:33:30) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (20:33:33) Pangaea: yay lag
    (20:33:33) +Amane Ohtori: oh I'm noob
    (20:33:34) Windblown: ok now j4 can't claim lool
    (20:33:36) Karp Karpity: rip
    (20:33:36) +Amane Ohtori: now they an't?
    (20:33:38) +Amane Ohtori: NICE
    (20:33:39) +Amane Ohtori: can't*
    (20:33:49) Windblown: darius is mafia BG kat poisons and gets pentakills mundo is poisoner
    (20:33:49) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (20:33:49) ±Role: Lucian
    (20:33:49) ±Ability: Can purify (detox + safeguard) one person during the night. Cannot be poisoned. Starting day 4, can daykill (cull) one person once per game. User is revealed. Sided with Demacia.
    (20:33:49) ±Players: 7-40 Players
    (20:33:49) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (20:33:54) Windblown: damn this spawn is imbalanced
    (20:33:55) +Amane Ohtori: >pentakills
    (20:33:57) +Amane Ohtori: oh my god
    (20:33:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:33:58) ±Current Roles: Darius, Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Katarina, Lucian, Minion, Minion, Quinn.
    (20:33:58) ±Current Players: Amane Ohtori, EvilDingoRobot, Karp Karpity, Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, Windblown, riko.
    (20:33:58) ±Current Team: Jarvan IV, Lucian, Minion, Minion, Quinn
    (20:33:58) ±Time: Day 1 (Voting)
    (20:33:58) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:33:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:34:01) Windblown: not literally
    (20:34:04) +Amane Ohtori: o ok
    (20:34:06) +Amane Ohtori: shoulda known
    (20:34:09) Miki Sayaka: jarvan rand for great glory
    (20:34:09) Windblown: quinn is the watcher
    (20:34:13) Windblown: she might actually be able to claim
    (20:34:16) +Amane Ohtori: can I fakeclaim jarvan and rand
    (20:34:20) ±Game: Mafia VS Scum voted for riko! Jarvan randing out a mafia d1
    (20:34:21) Miki Sayaka: well
    (20:34:22) +Amane Ohtori: ,
    (20:34:26) +Amane Ohtori: that is
    (20:34:26) Miki Sayaka: watcher can watch Jarvan
    (20:34:26) +Amane Ohtori: quinn
    (20:34:28) +Amane Ohtori: but ok
    (20:34:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:34:28) Times Up! :
    (20:34:28) ±Game: An enemy (riko) (Darius) has been slain!
    (20:34:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:34:28) ±Current Roles: Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Katarina, Lucian, Minion, Minion, Quinn.
    (20:34:28) ±Current Players: Amane Ohtori, EvilDingoRobot, Karp Karpity, Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, Windblown.
    (20:34:28) ±Current Team: Jarvan IV, Lucian, Minion, Minion, Quinn
    (20:34:28) ±Time: Night 2
    (20:34:28) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:34:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:34:30) Miki Sayaka: so that we find
    (20:34:31) Miki Sayaka: bop
    (20:34:34) Windblown: I think the parentheses
    (20:34:36) Windblown: should be fixwed
    (20:34:37) +Amane Ohtori: lmfao
    (20:34:38) Mafia VS Scum: no ounter
    (20:34:40) +Amane Ohtori: ( ) ( )
    (20:34:46) Miki Sayaka: mafia is jarvan anyway?
    (20:34:48) Pangaea: wait you can have custom vote messages now
    (20:34:49) +Amane Ohtori: no
    (20:34:52) +Amane Ohtori: jarvan is village
    (20:34:53) +Amane Ohtori: ur bad
    (20:34:53) Mafia VS Scum: no
    (20:34:56) Windblown: you could always have
    (20:34:57) +Amane Ohtori: ,
    (20:34:58) Mafia VS Scum: im not the mayo
    (20:34:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:34:58) Times Up! :
    (20:34:58) ±Kill: EvilDingoRobot (Minion) died! Only one kill and one poison per night.
    (20:34:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:34:58) ±Current Roles: Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Katarina, Lucian, Minion, Quinn.
    (20:34:58) ±Current Players: Amane Ohtori, Karp Karpity, Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, Windblown.
    (20:34:58) ±Current Team: Jarvan IV, Lucian, Minion, Quinn
    (20:34:58) ±Time: Day 2 (Standby)
    (20:34:58) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (20:34:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:34:59) Miki Sayaka: >custom vote message
    (20:35:01) Miki Sayaka: that's better around since
    (20:35:05) Miki Sayaka: the middle ages
    (20:35:05) Miki Sayaka: ok
    (20:35:06) +Amane Ohtori: >better
    (20:35:06) Windblown: well I am poisoned
    (20:35:12) Pangaea: wHat
    (20:35:13) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (20:35:13) ±Role: Katarina
    (20:35:13) ±Ability: Can kill one person during the night. Starting night 3, can lotus (poison) three times during the game, with one poison per night. Sided with Noxus.
    (20:35:13) ±Players: 7-40 Players
    (20:35:13) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (20:35:18) Miki Sayaka: does mascclaim
    (20:35:20) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (20:35:20) ±Role: Dr. Mundo
    (20:35:20) ±Ability: Can cleave (poison) one person during the night (shared with Singed). Can sadism on night 3: Sadism poisons Mundo for 3 days, but he can kill during the night without being distracted and gains a -99 voteshield. Sided with Zaun.
    (20:35:20) ±Players: 7-40 Players
    (20:35:20) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (20:35:22) Karp Karpity: meh
    (20:35:22) Miki Sayaka: beat this/
    (20:35:22) Mafia VS Scum: please dont follow me.
    (20:35:25) +Amane Ohtori: n imo
    (20:35:27) Windblown: >sadism gives mundo a -99 voteshield
    (20:35:28) Windblown: LOL
    (20:35:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:35:28) ±Current Roles: Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Katarina, Lucian, Minion, Quinn.
    (20:35:28) ±Current Players: Amane Ohtori, Karp Karpity, Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, Windblown.
    (20:35:28) ±Current Team: Jarvan IV, Lucian, Minion, Quinn
    (20:35:28) ±Time: Day 2 (Voting)
    (20:35:28) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:35:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:35:32) Windblown: what the fuck have I done
    (20:35:33) +Amane Ohtori: it's not
    (20:35:33) ±Game: Mafia VS Scum voted for Karp Karpity!
    (20:35:36) +Amane Ohtori: night 3 yet
    (20:35:39) +Amane Ohtori: WE CAN STILL DO IT
    (20:35:41) Karp Karpity: no
    (20:35:45) Windblown: we need quinn to turn valor btw
    (20:35:46) +Amane Ohtori: this is
    (20:35:47) +Amane Ohtori: lucian
    (20:35:50) +Amane Ohtori: rip purifier
    (20:35:50) Windblown: we don't need lucian
    (20:35:53) +Amane Ohtori: WOW
    (20:35:57) Windblown: ya i'm racist
    (20:35:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:35:58) Times Up! :
    (20:35:58) ±Game: An enemy (Karp Karpity) (Quinn) has been slain! You need Quinn to turn into the vigilante, Valor, in order to actually defeat Dr. Mundo if there's no other mafia.
    (20:35:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:35:58) ±Current Roles: Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Katarina, Lucian, Minion.
    (20:35:58) ±Current Players: Amane Ohtori, Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, Windblown.
    (20:35:58) ±Current Team: Jarvan IV, Lucian, Minion
    (20:35:58) ±Time: Night 3
    (20:35:58) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:35:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:36:02) Windblown: oh that's
    (20:36:02) Mafia VS Scum: wtf
    (20:36:04) Windblown: not good
    (20:36:04) Mafia VS Scum: im minion
    (20:36:05) Miki Sayaka: says he wasn't an enemy
    (20:36:08) Mafia VS Scum: why dont u counter rofl
    (20:36:08) +Amane Ohtori: ^
    (20:36:18) +Amane Ohtori: because we're town/new to this theme
    (20:36:21) +Amane Ohtori: can someone kill mundo
    (20:36:21) The Brock left the channel.
    (20:36:22) +Amane Ohtori: thx
    (20:36:26) Miki Sayaka: er
    (20:36:27) +Amane Ohtori: LUCIAN SHOOT SOMEOEN
    (20:36:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:36:28) Times Up! :
    (20:36:28) ±Game: A player was cured of poison!
    (20:36:28) ±Game: You were killed during the night!
    (20:36:28) ±Kill: Amane Ohtori (Minion) died!
    (20:36:28) ±Game: Dr. Mundo has used his Sadism, draining his health but giving him increased speed and killing prowess! He cannot be stopped!
    (20:36:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:36:28) ±Current Roles: Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Katarina, Lucian.
    (20:36:28) ±Current Players: Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, Windblown.
    (20:36:28) ±Time: Day 3 (Standby)
    (20:36:28) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (20:36:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:36:36) Windblown: thank you based purifier
    (20:36:38) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (20:36:38) ±Role: Lucian
    (20:36:38) ±Ability: Can purify (detox + safeguard) one person during the night. Cannot be poisoned. Starting day 4, can daykill (cull) one person once per game. User is revealed. Sided with Demacia.
    (20:36:38) ±Players: 7-40 Players
    (20:36:38) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (20:36:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:36:58) ±Current Roles: Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Katarina, Lucian.
    (20:36:58) ±Current Players: Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, Windblown.
    (20:36:58) ±Time: Day 3 (Voting)
    (20:36:58) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:36:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:36:59) Mafia VS Scum: im poisoned lucian
    (20:37:01) Mafia VS Scum: help me
    (20:37:14) ±Game: Pangaea voted for Windblown!
    (20:37:15) ±Game: Mafia VS Scum voted for Windblown!
    (20:37:17) Pangaea: idk what to do
    (20:37:28) ±Game: Windblown voted for Pangaea!
    (20:37:28) Windblown: rip
    (20:37:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:37:35) Times Up! :
    (20:37:35) ±Game: An enemy (Windblown) (Katarina) has been slain!
    (20:37:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:37:35) ±Current Roles: Dr. Mundo, Jarvan IV, Lucian.
    (20:37:35) ±Current Players: Mafia VS Scum, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea.
    (20:37:35) ±Time: Night 4
    (20:37:35) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:37:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:37:50) Shadow_Worgen left the channel.
    (20:37:55) +Amane Ohtori: [Dead] did you actually poison everyone
    (20:37:56) EvilDingoRobot: [Dead] wind how about like
    (20:37:57) +Amane Ohtori: [Dead] or none
    (20:37:58) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (20:37:58) ±Role: Katarina
    (20:37:58) ±Ability: Can kill one person during the night. Starting night 3, can lotus (poison) three times during the game, with one poison per night. Sided with Noxus.
    (20:37:58) ±Players: 7-40 Players
    (20:37:58) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (20:38:04) ±Dratini: TheHunter. was muted by Raducan for 15 minutes! [Reason: Spam] [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (20:38:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:38:05) Times Up! :
    (20:38:05) ±Kill: Miki Sayaka (Lucian) died!
    (20:38:05) ±Kill: Mafia VS Scum (Jarvan IV) died!
    (20:38:05) ±Game: The messed-up creatures of Zaun, Pangaea, have overrun Runeterra!
    (20:38:05) ***************************************************************************************

    relevant puush: http://puu.sh/ihHC3/ba0b0b3b66.png
    9p doesn't have terrible balance. Darius' protect is useless until Valor and Sadist Mundo come into play, so that's kinda meh. There's no way to get information at this stage, besides the fact that Jarvan and Xin already know each other, but J4 can claim easily because Lucian can safeguard him from poisons. Come Day 3 Mundo can just vote out Jarvan, but Quinn will be able to kill starting Night 4 so theoretically it's not an issue. Katarina's poison comes way too late for such a small game size, so looking to change that. Don't know what else to alter. Lucian's daykill on d4 isn't too late here because if it came on d3 it would be a free win for village seeing how Lucian himself is resistant to poison.
     
  27. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    I am still checking the theme, for now I am focusing my attention on Fiora and Quinn/valor.
    And I fear you need to train yourself a little with heavy converted themes, because I found a group of problems with Fiora's duel and the relation between convert and "charges", I don't know about "addcharges" because I never used them but maybe this too could give problems if used in the wrong way.

    1)
    About your problem that Fiona discover the role of her duelist: you simply need to add "usermsg": " " without a message like this, maybe add "tarmsg": "Fiora challenged you in a duel so today you two have +9999 voteshield!" or something like that, otherwise the target will receive the most confusing "You have been converted and changed roles!".
    And add "copymsg": "" to /duel and /riposte, otherwise all the other player will hear the "Fiora become a Fiora" message which is a little annoying.
    2)
    Change Fiora's "convertmsg": "'To the death.' Fiora, ~Self~, has challenged ~Role~ to a duel!" into "convertmsg": "'To the death.' Fiora, ~Self~, has challenged ~Target~ to a duel!" because ~Role~ means the role of the user of /duel not the target.
    P.S.
    If you need help to understand better the messages in the future: I suggest you to use Fuzzy's Mafia Theme Message Guide , it's very helpful.
    3)
    When I converted Quinn into Valor i got the 2 /kill charges as it should be and used all of them, but then when Fiora used /duel on Valor, I got again 2 charges when i become "valord" and when the curse converted me back into "valor" I got 2 charges again , this happens because both "valor" and "valor" have "charges": 2, so when you convert valor into one of them they gain back 2 charges .
    4)
    Because Quinn's /convert is slower then Fiora's /duel and "quinnd" converts into "valor", when Fiora and Quinn use /convert and /duel together on Quinn , then she will become "valor" instead "valord" and so Fiora will be the only one with the voteshield.
    5)
    Lucian cannot be converted during a /duel because there is no "luciand" role and couldn't find nowhere something that says that Lucian cannot be challenged in a duel or converted. I didn't checked any single role so I suggest you to check if some other role lack their alternative Duel version.

    Anyway when a theme have more possible type of conversions there could be problems like this. Be careful especially if a role when converted has an "initialCondition": "curse" or has "recharge" or "charges", because they will overwrite their previous curses and charges.
     
  28. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    Yeah I can see where that would get messy real quickly.

    1) Added usermsg, copymsg, tarmsg. The only problem is that since /duel is a dual command of copy and convert the usermsg shows up twice for Fiora but it isn't a huge issue.
    2) Changed to ~Target~
    3) It's a problem that would arise with all roles with charges, so I added "addCharges" : 0 to anything that would be affected by Fiora's convert. Now you can have Valor use 1 charge, get converted by Fiora, and still have the charge, but after he converts back into his normal form he will have 1 charge instead of 2.
    4) "quinnd" now converts into "valord." It was the shortest solution, but if I'm overlooking any loophole with that let me know.
    5) There is a "luciand" role, not sure why I never coded it but he was always intended to be a possible target for Fiora.

    I also went ahead and added a message to Irelia knowing when she has successfully hit a target she can add charges to so she can connect with any role that she targets because they are all village roles (only four of them though).
     
  29. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Yeah that is a coding bug because both Copy and convert use usermsg this is why I suggested to make it silent, only Ricekirby or other server coder could solve it.
    But there are two way to bypass this problem:
    1)you can add "silentCopy": true, but doing so Fiora will not see her help message refreshed when she uses her copy ability, but I think that all the other messages are enough even without the refreshing of Duelist mode Fiora's help message.
    2)A more precise method is to modify it into "usermsg": "" to make silent only the double message and then add into duel the command "dummy2", add the message "dummy2usermsg": "Your opponent has accepted your challenge. The ball is in your court, mademoiselle." , and add inside all the roles unable to be challenged in a duel "dummy2": { "silent": true, "mode": "ignore" }, this way you will not receive the "dummy2usermsg" if the action is a failure.
    You forgot to add the conversion "luciand": ["lucian", "lucians"] inside the "newRole" of Fiora's /duel, otherwise it will be useless the addition of "luciand" if he is not in the conversion list:tongue:
     
  30. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Hey @Windblown RIcekirby made some change that could be useful for your usermsg problem:
     
  31. Fate Testarossa

    Fate Testarossa Unbreakable Bond

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    Using a different experimental spawn for very small games (5-6 players).