I hope this is the right place to post it. I had an idea for a setup for server mafia, but I figured it wouldn't work well, so I'm posting the idea here. I'm not planning to host it, I wanted to discuss the setup and see if there's any flaw that I hadn't noticed. It's a 9p vanilla setup, probably NOC with N1 kills allowed. Roles are: 2 Mafia 7 Villagers But there comes the twist: Those players are split into 3 circles. Each of those circles work like this: -Player A knows Player B, but not Player C. -Player B knows Player C, but not Player A. -Player C knows Player A, but not Player B. By "Knows player X", it only means that they are given the name of another player, not their role or any other information. Something like: "Hello [Player A]. Your role is [Role]. You are on the same circle as [Player B], but they are not aware of this." Both mafia would be part of the same Circle and know each other regardless of position in the circle. One of them would still know the 3rd player in the circle, and that player would know the other Mafia (again, only know they are on the same circle, not their role). The idea here is that players cannot confirm each other as being on the same circle without the collaboration of the whole circle (which should allow for some bluffing, although slight), and even if they confirm it, it doesn't mean anyone there is clean. The Night 1 kill is also an important factor because mafia can decide to kill the 3rd member of their circle to make the circles harder to identify, or kill someone from another circle to put the suspicions upon them. There are other possiblities, like knowing someone is clean if the other 2 players from their circle flip Town, or bullshitting all the way by saying you are part of another circle, lynching whoever counter claims and then framing the 3rd member of your actual circle (doesn't sound that smart, but who knows). That's it for the idea. Maybe it could be modified to have more circles or players per circle. I looked at MafiaScum wiki if there was any setup like this one but didn't find any, so if already exist then sorry :x P.S.: An actual [Setup] tag for threads discussing a setup/format would be cool.
I think that if a single scum is caught in this then the scum team auto loses/ If all town claims circles in day 1 its hard for mafia to bluff
It's always optimal to claim circles day 1 and then even with no-kills the best scum can hope for is 5p LYLO where they have to 1v1 as a pair with a conf town kingmaker (I think, plotting it out in my head). Because of that and what ZZZX said the set up should be made white flag if you do run it.
@ZZZX: I didn't think of any special interation among circles, but maybe something could be added there. Maybe having a "No talk during the night" rule (including N1) could help Mafia into breaking a circle to make it harder to confirm each other, since one of them could fake claim being into another circle to confuse the village. Other alternatives would be having a 3rd Mafia Goon in a different circle and circles with 4 players instead of 3, so it would be easier for Mafia to fake claim and harder for them to get the whole team detected if any of the Goons is found.
I feel like someone said something about this before. Maybe it was you. Lynch from each circle once and the likely hood of hitting mafia is high. You have a 66% chance of hitting mafia if you choose the right circle. Once you hit the one mafia you lynch the other two in the circle and it is game over. Mafia would have to kill out of the circle that just got lynched or else they run the risk of cleaning the other circle outright. If they don't kill out of the circle that got lynched it is probably that they are the mafia circle. If they kill from another circle then the town would just lynch from the last circle of three and then by night 2 one circle would be down to one person if the mafia choose to kill. The optimal play for scum I think would be not to kill until it would win them the game. That being said the whole lynching by circle thing would mean the game is broken in 4 days so the mafia have to win before that. Just my thoughts.