[NOC] Squad of the Undefeatables - GG town won

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  1. waehofen

    waehofen Peace, love, & understanding

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    Yeah I played pretty badly this game. Also, link.

    I know it's lame to make excuses but I feel like I kind of lost it for my team, and if so this was because I thought I could plan ahead for stuff and time and time again that turned out to be false. A post restriction ending in modkills was hard to foresee but it took away our recruiting power (which might have been helpful to use the next Night). The town faction name and Marina-Nitrogen things wouldn't have been so bad but for that mistake. Then it turned out Feg had abilities and one of them was that...lol. Gotta roll with it more in a bastard game.

    Other thoughts:
    • End-gaming sk joat survivor sounds OP. However every player who died because of the D2 post restriction was one less bomb suspect for the rest of us, so that action was pretty bad for him to get stuck with. But yeah he was as screwed as I was no matter what he did by the time D3 came around.
    • Town-mafia balance was good. Despite the modkills technically being in our favor the town was on track to win the game even if we had recruited, but would have to go through LyLo three times in total (makes up for a daykill on town). Balance with the bomb was good based purely on the setup but maybe not if he was forced to use the above action.
    • The reason why I was so eager to push Viraj/Trace as bussing partners wasn't really because I wanted one's death to "clean"/"implicate" the other, but because Trace's first post was chainsawing me really hard and I didn't want anybody to realize. Plus I slipped right back at him when someone asked about that post and my response was "welp idk why he'd care so much about me" instead of "wow what a contrived reason to vote someone else"
    • To add to the above: I thought we were fuuuuuucked when I saw this. lol
    • Telling the town how to play optimally was probably not a good idea in retrospect. I figured somebody would come up with it eventually if I didn't say anything, so it'd be fun to grab the town credit.

    Also props to aj. IIRC he was the only active town player no one ever accused of being scum. We probably should have just recruited him right off the bat or killed him or something lol

    EDIT:
    oh yeah rofl

    this was my plan going into d3:
    1. kill feg because if aj is bomb he deserves the win
    2. do one of the following:
    2a. ask aj for the town faction name and assert that if he is mafia he might have been given the information that there is one; put the pressure on him.
    2aI. he would give it. If he were mafia and I were town this would confirm that there was a recruitment; evidently either him, Beast, or one of the three who started out conftown
    2aII. this might just straight up not work. I've been calling him town a bunch and the chance that it would seems low
    2b. convince aj that it's a smarter idea to ask Nitrogen or Marina.
    2bI. he might come up with this on his own, at which point I would not argue, and of course the info would be useless because...
    2bII. if he thinks through it this doesn't work in any situation because either they're both scum and recruited Beast, who knew this information initially and would have told the rest of his team, or they both started out as town and would know the information. so yeah this isn't a reliable option even if it is very nice
    2c. figure out the town alignment name for myself somehow
    2d. convince aj and others that this town alignment name thing actually isn't relevant unless we have a mafia that didn't recruit, and therefore it isn't a useful device at all
    3. get either Marina or Nitrogen lynched (I would say "probably Nitrogen" but given the logic that one of them might have been recruited it isn't so clear). Then in any scenario in which I'm town, aj and one of the other two are scum (or just aj). This means I just kill the townier-looking of the other two and get free points.
    3a. well specifically only aj would have to be scum actually. because d5 will be a 3p setup so by that time it'll be obvious that the scum didn't recruit, meaning it has to be aj and allowing me to choose rather freely. I might be able to convince the town person to lynch him over me on the merit that all he's really done is sheep my thing about mylo and lynching scum, so it was MY town plan that he wouldn't have wanted to do until it appeared obvious that with Pyanda's support I was going to get it done.
    3aI. if I go with that then it might complicate the fact that in one potential plan I was asking aj to provide the town alignment. After all I'd look pretty scummy after that! (so that option is struck). ok so this means out of my four options I have:

    - one that forces me to look really scummy at some point before the end of the game, and probably end up getting lynched
    - one that relies on the town playing suboptimally and not realizing such, but guarantees my safety for the rest of the game
    - one that is difficult or impossible for me to do
    - one that makes me look a little bit scummy because I have to explain that apparently aj's pm contained the town alignment name
    ----- oh and then he asks me for it, at which point I'm confscum

    so I basically spend N3 trying desperately to figure out what this elusive piece of information is, and then if I can't I manipulate the town into doing some really useless shit with it (either by direct action, by indirect action, or by getting lucky and then by inaction)

    at this point I'm kind of hoping feg actually does have a distract and uses it on me. that'd save me the trouble. however it is not going to happen
    I wanted to put it in the scum qt but then it wasn't open


    Seriously though gg everybody. 'Twas a blast.
     
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  2. Laurel

    Laurel Well-Known Member

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    thx for killing pyanda and not me
     
  3. Marina

    Marina The Marshtomp has seen it all before.

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    fuk es
     
  4. waehofen

    waehofen Peace, love, & understanding

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    sotu = state of the union

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    game thread needed more Berlin Wall/Pink Floyd references
     
  5. ZZZX

    ZZZX The Ghost Of The Past

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    SOTU = Squad of the Undefeatables
     
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    ZZZX The Ghost Of The Past

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  7. NotMafia

    NotMafia Miltank: Destroyer of Souls

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    Thanks ZZZX for hosting. You played well Wae, you were just caught in PoE at the end.

    Sort of a dick move from feg doing that oracle thing on the night he would either die or endgame everyone.

    And I'll echo AJ town MVP

    I see what you did there
     
  8. NotMafia

    NotMafia Miltank: Destroyer of Souls

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    When I died and ZZZX showed me the set up I said town were definitely going to lose, on day 3 when town (and scum come to think of it) actually ended up mobile and unified the game shifted completely and I wish we we could have done that day 1
     
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    the e thing focked it up idk how i didnt get mod kiled man i was hacking
     
  10. ajhockeystar

    ajhockeystar Proud Canadian

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    Yay I got props. And to think, this was almost similar to BW2 in that I was a Villy and got converted to a scum side.

    Thanks for hosting ZZZX, it was really fun!

    I almost thought we were screwed on Day 2 'cause we wouldn't have a lynch done and we'd be screwed. It all turned out for the best though. Another NOC town win, yay!
     
  11. Laurel

    Laurel Well-Known Member

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    lol my whole PM said Green Alliance
     
  12. Laurel

    Laurel Well-Known Member

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    "You both worked hard to survive. However ZZZX might need to give you a signal before he can recognize you so in the start of the game he will not know you."

    Thats why i kept talking about u bb <3 @Hopkirk
     
  13. Laurel

    Laurel Well-Known Member

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    @Nitrogen I don't understand why you thought the bomb was a roll from your PM to me it indicates item
     
  14. waehofen

    waehofen Peace, love, & understanding

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    y did we hav 2 fite wen we only wantd teh same thig??
     
  15. Hopkirk

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    There's 2 people (who still play) i have a bias towards thinking are town- feg and wae. Why did both have to be scum :(