Chinchous

Discussion in 'Active Themes' started by Pangaea, Jun 2, 2014.

  1. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Well he is the faster killer of the entire game, if it needs a buff maybe we could make his kill even faster like a Kefka-kill so that he will supass even distract and protections, personally I don't think that a vote power is a good choice because the team leaders of most of the mafia teams and other mafia roles have some sort of vote power and adding another one could be too much confusing, the only buff option that could be added to relicanth during the lynching phase are A) Make relicanth survive the first lynch like a berseker soldier, or B) Make him into a vote bomb, so people will think twice before to vote him. Other possible defensive options for Relicanth could be giving him a self-bg with recharge or give him some sort of secondary ability like a command with 50% chance to distract and a 50% chance to inspect.

    Why they should spam their attacks? There is no Chinchou or Lanturn role that can hax their kills, which makes soamming kills completely useless and stupid.
    If you meant something else sorry but I do not understand, can you explain your thoughts in a different way please ?

    P.S.
    @Pangaea you triple posted your last post, please delete 2 of the copies.
     
  2. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Ugh sorry, I was lagging horribly when I posted this. I didn't even know it triple posted till you told me.

    I think he was trying to say that they can keep changing their kills until they find their ally, but actually they won't know if it's their ally or not until after the phase ends. For example: Player A and Player B are Chinchous. Player A tries to kill Player B during the night. He will just get the normal "You have chosen to kill Player B" message when he chooses to kill. But he won't know if it's his partner or not until after the phase ends. Player A will only get the "This is your partner, connect with him!" message until after the night phase ends.
     
  3. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    yeah, I thought it was like that (like how Kefka finds Kuja) but since you have to wait till the end of the night phase you can't spam, but it's even harder to find your teammates considering you only have one shot per night. Connecting the team partially (Chinchou to Chinchou, but not Lanturn) might be better.

    Relicanth vote bombing is pretty pointless because you can just sacrifice your least important role to lynch him. Surviving first lynch would be a better idea.
     
  4. Fate Testarossa

    Fate Testarossa Unbreakable Bond

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    Agreeing with the fact that Relicanth as a solo role is very weak. I'd like to see it ignore PLes and maybe have 50% nightkill and daykill evasion. Remember that as a solo role it needs to have the ability to be strong enough to win games. A single nightkill + some hax simply doesn't cut it (at least not for me).
     
  5. Withoutatrace

    Withoutatrace im a filthy weeb

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    (14:27:45) Withoutatrace: RELICANTH SOLUTION
    (14:27:51) Withoutatrace: BECAUSE ITS P UP
    (14:27:54) Pangaea: survive first lynch
    (14:27:55) Pangaea: !!!!
    (14:27:57) Withoutatrace: ALRIGHT
    (14:27:58) Withoutatrace: THEN DO IT
    (14:27:59) Withoutatrace: :]

    holding you to it
    and I know you are fixing the messages, so if you can post the new messages when you finish then Pangaea, that'd be great, so we can determine whether they need to be shortened yet again or not
     
  6. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    >:V it's being added in

    "Your heart-like form gives you the ability to make other fishes fall in love! Use /love on two targets to recruit them as two Alomomolas and your helpers. One will be able to night-kill and the other will be able to distract during the night, but if one of them dies, both die (you'll be able to convert two more). You can /protect one of them during the night. Use /tt to talk with your allies."

    "You are a Remoraid! You are a special soldier from the Alliance, and you wear an anti-daykilling suit! The suit also gives you a voteshield of -1. The suit does only give you 0.9 votes. You will also receive hax on the Alliance, so be sure to connect with them! If you feel brave you can use /reveal during the day to show everyone who you are. But be careful, as Relicanth can reveal itself with the same message as yours. If you survive 5 nights or if there are no Mantykes you will evolve into an Octillery!"

    They're still kinda beefy but these two roles are both quite busy so...
     
  7. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Oh well that already happen between the same type of Chinchou where they know all the other Chinchous that share their kill. For exemple "chinchou1" will know the other "chinchou1" but will not know "chinchou2".

    Ok I updated the changes on Chinchous, now the theme has the 2 help messages that Pangea said before, and we boosted a little relicanth: now he survive the first lynch and ignore any distraction.
    Added even /tips and prevent Team Vote on some teams.
     
  8. Fuzzysqurl

    Fuzzysqurl baa baa mareep I do what I want Server Owner Developer I do what I want Server Owner Developer

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    (15:19:43) ±Murkrow: Fuzzysqurl disabled theme Chinchous.

    Testing period is well past over. Find something that works, or make changes that would require a re-test.
     
  9. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    I added many of the things people suggested. Does anybody else have any suggestions for the theme? I'm open to all suggestions.
     
  10. Sky Sentinel

    Sky Sentinel You see?

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    The only thing I'm worried about is Shiny Chinchou, but that's not even a big deal. I am going to approve [1] this theme because it's much better than it used to be, and it used to be good enough. The theme is a classic and very popular on the server, and I see no reason for it to not remain this way. I see no glaring balance issues (aside from the occasional Relicanth mishaps) and the Pokemon flavor is as stellar as ever. Good job reviving this theme.
     
  11. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    I hate to rush my verdict, but I've been bugged about this ever since before I decided to quit QC (though Roild allowed me to finish these as I had promised times and times ago).

    Chinchous is an old theme. I'm not sure how old it is, but I'm confident to say that it's been around longer than I have. It has a somewhat ragtag village that at first does seem OP but with all the kills and poison and daykills flying around it really does help to balance it out. Your changes (such as the lovers update and Dragalge) have been a reflection of the ever-changing amount of Pokemon (especially Water-type and water-based Pokemon).

    If you need to comb help messages, split the actions into "help" and the rest into "help2" for both of the above roles. It may be a little bit of a stretch but no one reads the help messages word for word -- especially in the small amount of given time (40 seconds by default isn't enough for some people, including me ;-;)

    Also, remove Shiny Chinchou. Or maybe add it to the Chinchou side, if you don't feel like getting rid of it. And if you feel like it, adjust the spawn so Relicanth spawns a little earlier (no lesser than 13p though) if you wish to give him the ability to survive a lynch.

    I'll give you an Approve [2] but only on the condition that you communicate your thoughts on what I've just said. Input from the author on the topic of their own theme is something that our Review forum needs (even if it wasn't your theme to begin with. hue)
     
  12. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    I thought that now that Shiny Chinchou can be killed by Lanturn that role was ok now.
    Doesn't Relicanth already spawn on 13 players games ?
    Sorry I have no idea what are you saying there especially because I don't know what it means Comb, I don't think you mean the item used to order our hairs but from what you are saying I guess you are talking about the too long messages of Remoraid and cupid Luvdisc:
    "Your heart-like form gives you the ability to make other fishes fall in love! Use /love on two targets to recruit them as two Alomomolas and your helpers. One will be able to night-kill and the other will be able to distract during the night, but if one of them dies, both die (you'll be able to convert two more). You can /protect one of them during the night. Use /tt to talk with your allies."

    "You are a Remoraid! You are a special soldier from the Alliance, and you wear an anti-daykilling suit! The suit also gives you a voteshield of -1. The suit does only give you 0.9 votes. You will also receive hax on the Alliance, so be sure to connect with them! If you feel brave you can use /reveal during the day to show everyone who you are. But be careful, as Relicanth can reveal itself with the same message as yours. If you survive 5 nights or if there are no Mantykes you will evolve into an Octillery!"
     
  13. Sky Sentinel

    Sky Sentinel You see?

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    Oops, I must've missed that. It's all good, then.
     
  14. RudeStyle

    RudeStyle A year late x D

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    Approve [3] Nothing wrong with the balance, the flavor of the theme is good. Great Job. ^^
     
  15. Pandaofazn

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    Accedentally Posted on retired chou's thread.
    Got message:
    :50:54) ±Game: You tried to attack (~Self~), but then you discovered that he is your ally, so please contact him!
    While playing as Lanturn.

    Churr~
     
  16. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Strange, Ignore has ~Self~ to say what the target's role is, maybe for daykill evade the code is ~Target~ I hope it works.
     
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  17. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Erm, this is approved, could it be moved to the Active Themes section of the forum? Thanks.
     
  18. Pandaofazn

    Pandaofazn Member

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    You guys should check the english on the chinchous start message. Was playing yesterday and noticed a slight grammatical error on the chinchou start message. Not sure if still up, but at the top of my head it was something like "You should PM other chinchous you know from the begin."
     
  19. Veteran Padgett

    Veteran Padgett TFT Main Developer Developer

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    Little grammar issue with Remoraid's help message:
    The suit also gives you a voteshield of -1. The suit does only give you 0.9 votes.

    Should be something like "The suit also gives you a voteshield of -1, but you will only have 0.9 votes."

     
  20. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    (19:44:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:44:14) Times Up! :
    (19:44:14) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (19:44:14) ±Game: You are a Mantine (Leader)!
    (19:44:14) ±Game: You are a Mantine! You created the Alliance to help defend yourself against the Chinchous! Thus you can /kill 1 person during the night! You can also /defend 2 people during the night from kills(Be sure to protect others on the Alliance!). Your vote counts as 2 as well.
    (19:44:14) ±Current Roles: Chinchou, Chinchou, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Lanturn, Lumineon, Mantine (Leader), Mantyke, Relicanth, Remoraid, Tentacruel.
    (19:44:14) ±Current Players: Cheeseburger, Dark Silver, Erron Black, Ibrox, Joeypals, KKKStriker, Karp Karpity, MayorOfPie, Miku, Neko Pup Gabby, Panda Hero, Sehun, Sheldon, ShellRager0, Steam Baron, Water.
    (19:44:14) ±Current Team: Mantine (Leader), Mantyke, Remoraid
    (19:44:14) ±Time: Night 1
    (19:44:14) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (19:44:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:44:14) Water: :)
    (19:44:15) Panda Hero: i saved 1
    (19:44:17) Steam Baron: good thing I preserved my BG n3 Joeypals
    (19:44:21) Joeypals: gj
    (19:44:23) MayorOfPie: gj
    (19:44:28) +Miku: chinchous suck
    (19:44:33) ±Game: You have chosen to kill Neko Pup Gabby!
    (19:44:35) MayorOfPie: no they don't =[
    (19:44:36) imacow joined the channel.

    (19:44:37) +Amane Ohtori: fun fact
    (19:44:38) ±Game: You have chosen to defend Steam Baron!
    (19:44:38) ±Game: Your target(s) are Steam Baron!
    (19:44:41) ±Game: You have chosen to defend Miku!
    (19:44:41) ±Game: Your target(s) are Steam Baron, Miku!
    (19:44:42) +Amane Ohtori: no one BG'd Joeypals n1
    (19:44:46) pia left the channel.

    (19:44:46) +Miku: lol
    (19:44:50) Erron Black: lel
    (19:44:50) Sheldon: hah
    (19:44:52) Dark Silver: lol
    (19:44:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:44:54) Times Up! :
    (19:44:54) ±Death: Neko Pup Gabby (Relicanth) drowned!
    (19:44:54) ±Death: Erron Black (Finneon) drowned!
    (19:44:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:44:54) ±Current Roles: Chinchou, Chinchou, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Lanturn, Lumineon, Mantine (Leader), Mantyke, Remoraid, Tentacruel.
    (19:44:54) ±Current Players: Cheeseburger, Dark Silver, Ibrox, Joeypals, KKKStriker, Karp Karpity, MayorOfPie, Miku, Panda Hero, Sehun, Sheldon, ShellRager0, Steam Baron, Water.
    (19:44:54) ±Current Team: Mantine (Leader), Mantyke, Remoraid
    (19:44:54) ±Time: Day 1 (Standby)
    (19:44:54) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (19:44:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:44:55) Sheldon: aliens suck
    (19:44:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:44:56) ±Game: Lanturn used Thunder! A Critical Hit! Cheeseburger Fainted!
    (19:44:56) ±Death: Cheeseburger (Finneon) drowned!
    (19:44:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:44:57) Water: miku what is your favorite pokemon
    (19:45:03) +Miku: shaymin land forme
    (19:45:08) Water: mine too
    (19:45:11) Joeypals: (19:44:42) +Amane Ohtori: no one BG'd Joeypals n1
    (19:45:12) Joeypals: WAT?
    (19:45:13) +Miku: no way
    (19:45:14) MayorOfPie: my favorite pokemon is Ditto
    (19:45:16) Joeypals: Waaaaaaaaaat?!?!?
    (19:45:20) KKKStriker: lumi plz
    (19:45:20) +Miku: ditto is ugly
    (19:45:20) Water: no actually its scyther
    (19:45:23) Water: i lied
    (19:45:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:45:24) ±Current Roles: Chinchou, Chinchou, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Lanturn, Lumineon, Mantine (Leader), Mantyke, Remoraid, Tentacruel.
    (19:45:24) ±Current Players: Dark Silver, Ibrox, Joeypals, KKKStriker, Karp Karpity, MayorOfPie, Miku, Panda Hero, Sehun, Sheldon, ShellRager0, Steam Baron, Water.
    (19:45:24) ±Current Team: Mantine (Leader), Mantyke, Remoraid
    (19:45:24) ±Time: Day 1 (Voting)
    (19:45:24) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (19:45:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:45:27) MayorOfPie: miku plz
    (19:45:28) +Miku: scyther is alright
    (19:45:31) *** Joeypals has a slight mental breakdown
    (19:45:40) +Miku: thats what u get
    (19:45:41) Water: rip joey
    (19:45:45) ±Game: ShellRager0 voted for Sehun!
    (19:45:48) Sheldon: poor joey
    (19:45:48) ±Game: Water voted for Sehun!
    (19:45:50) Joeypals: When you let your heart win?
    (19:45:54) KKKStriker: lumineon wtf?
    (19:45:55) pia joined the channel.

    (19:45:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:45:56) Times Up! :
    (19:45:56) ±Game: Sehun (Lumineon) was removed from the game!
    (19:45:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:45:56) ±Current Roles: Chinchou, Chinchou, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Lanturn, Mantine (Leader), Mantyke, Remoraid, Tentacruel.
    (19:45:56) ±Current Players: Dark Silver, Ibrox, Joeypals, KKKStriker, Karp Karpity, MayorOfPie, Miku, Panda Hero, Sheldon, ShellRager0, Steam Baron, Water.
    (19:45:56) ±Current Team: Mantine (Leader), Mantyke, Remoraid
    (19:45:56) ±Time: Night 2
    (19:45:56) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (19:45:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:46:00) MayorOfPie: ._.
    (19:46:00) Karp Karpity: YAy
    (19:46:03) Karp Karpity: good going
    (19:46:03) +Miku: chinchous suck
    (19:46:04) ±Game: You have chosen to kill ShellRager0!
    (19:46:11) MayorOfPie: you said that already
    (19:46:12) ±Game: You have chosen to kill Ibrox!
    (19:46:17) ±Game: You have chosen to defend Sheldon!
    (19:46:17) ±Game: Your target(s) are Sheldon!
    (19:46:22) ±Game: You have chosen to defend KKKStriker!
    (19:46:22) ±Game: Your target(s) are Sheldon, KKKStriker!
    (19:46:26) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:46:26) Times Up! :
    (19:46:26) ±Death: Ibrox (Finneon) drowned!
    (19:46:26) ±Death: Karp Karpity (Remoraid) drowned!
    (19:46:26) ±Game: Karp Karpity's dying wish was for Mantyke to level up, and thus allowed them to make the final blow. Mantyke evolved and became Mantine (Safeguarder)!
    (19:46:26) ±Death: ShellRager0 (Finneon) drowned!
    (19:46:26) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:46:26) ±Current Roles: Chinchou, Chinchou, Finneon, Finneon, Finneon, Lanturn, Mantine, Mantine (Leader), Tentacruel.
    (19:46:26) ±Current Players: Dark Silver, Joeypals, KKKStriker, MayorOfPie, Miku, Panda Hero, Sheldon, Steam Baron, Water.
    (19:46:26) ±Current Team: Mantine (Leader)
    (19:46:26) ±Time: Day 2 (Standby)
    (19:46:26) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (19:46:26) ***************************************************************************************
    (19:46:41) Water: ok
    (19:46:44) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Alliance consists of: Mantine (Leader), Mantyke (Inspector), Mantyke (Mayor), Mantyke (Safeguarder), Octillery, Remoraid.
    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Alliance consists of: Mantine (Inspector), Mantine (Mayor), Mantine (Safeguarder).

    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Chinchou Military Army consists of: Chinchou, Lanturn.
    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Finneons (Village) consists of: Finneon (Bomb), Finneon (BulletProof), Finneon (Distractor), Finneon (Inspector), Finneon (Lover), Finneon (Mayor), Finneon (Protector), Finneon (Vigilante), Finneon (Villager), Lumineon.
    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Floatzel consists of: Floatzel.
    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Luvdisc consists of: Alomomola♀, Alomomola♂, Luvdisc.
    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Relicanth consists of: Relicanth.
    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Shiny Chinchou consists of: Shiny Chinchou.
    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Toxic Fishes consists of: Dragalge, Tentacool, Tentacruel.
    (19:46:44) ±Side: The Ugly Ducklings consists of: Feebas, Gyarados, Magikarp, Milotic.
    (19:46:44) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    Can we fix this please?
     
  21. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Can you be more specific about the problem? Is about why Mantine (Inspector), Mantine (Mayor) and Mantine (Safeguarder) are into a different alliance team then Mantine(Leader)? If I remember the original author did this for a precise motive, but right now i don't remember why, and I fear that if I move them into a single team it could produce some sort of bug, if I will remember why they were inserted into two different teams I will see what can I do to change it.
    Anyway they still win together, so it's only a problem to confusion, when I remember why they were separated I will see what can i do.
     
  22. Yttrium

    Yttrium Well-Known Member Developer Developer

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    Luvdisc role is broken (i.e. it doesn't work at all). Theme has been disabled until this issue is addressed.

    Who even maintains the theme anymore?
     
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  23. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    My computer broke so I haven't been on PO in like months so I can't really do anything and rip kyubey.
     
  24. Zzyzx Road

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    Hey everyone!

    I don't know if anybody watches this thread, but Ytrrium asked me to revamp and maintain this theme if I'm going to be back.

    I'm not sure I'll be 100% back but I'm getting Yttrium to help me since it was his idea, this way even if things go wrong someone will take care of it.

    MAs, would it be OK to resubmit it as a new theme once it's done? I feel like it's bloated and takes rebuilding from the ground up with some few core concepts kept intact.

    Edit: Started a summary of a possible rework of Chinchous and posted it to GitHub. Fate and I had a few ideas: https://github.com/gabrielchiconi/pokemon-online-mafia/tree/master/chinchous
     
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  25. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Looks fun! You'll probably do a better job at fixing it up than I did (crazy to think I worked on this two years ago). Good luck :)