Non-Peak Project

Discussion in 'Mafia' started by IceKirby, Apr 25, 2014.

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  1. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Those last weeks, Mafia channel has been almost dead, mostly probably due to Spring Break and stuff. So that (and the fact that Zelda and Myth already got one) made me think about adding Non-Peak setups for regular Peak themes using only roles that already existed in the theme.

    I already added a non-peak setup for Kirby (Dedede / Mass Kirby / Cook / Cook as the base, then Gordo and Rainbow Sword) and Caterpie (2 Caterpie / 1 Weedle, or 3 Caterpie / 2 Weedle).
    EDIT: Added one for SSBB too.

    So the discussion here is: Is that a good idea?
    It's quite likely those setups won't be perfectly balanced or have the same base core that the theme uses, but would it hurt to have them? IMO, it's better than having no games running, but some people may think it would be better to preserve the theme's essence.
     
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  2. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Well, I am someone that is more online on non-peak time then on peak. So on my point of view is always good to have more theme to choose during this periods, even because from what i see the players sometimes gets bored when they can play only the same 5-7 non-peak games, especially when there are only 3 players and so neither all the non-peak game can be played.
    Obviously it will be difficult to have a 40 players theme good both on the peak and non-peak times, because they will have to adapt their gameplay for a format that wasn't thought for, this is why typically even if there are themes that works with 3 players too like Fantasy, they still aren't played so much like Dethy and Oracle when there are so few players.
    But this doesn't mean that is not a good choice to permit an expansion of a theme to be played even with 3-4 players, afterall some of the big themes work well even with few players, it all depends by what type of roles that Game can give for small games.

    Here anyway a small 6 player game of kirby in action just in case you wanna take a look:
    (19:24:31) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:24:31) Times Up! :
    (19:24:31) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (19:24:31) ±Game: You are a King Dedede!
    (19:24:31) ±Game: I'm the king of Dream Land! I have several loyal servants, and whoever oppose me shall be eliminated with /kill [name] during the night! Since I'm the King, I get a vote count of +4! And I can't be haxed, so I should make the decisions about who our team is going to attack. [Hint: Use /tt [message] to talk to your teammates.]
    (19:24:31) ±Game: Your team is PirateKingLuffy (Gordo) and obey to kyubey (King Dedede).
    (19:24:31) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, Gordo, King Dedede, Mass Kirby, Rainbow Sword Kirby.
    (19:24:31) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Mohito297, PirateKingLuffy, Sniper_501, Wafflz4evr, obey to kyubey.
    (19:24:32) ±Current Team: Gordo, King Dedede
    (19:24:32) ±Time: Night 1
    (19:24:32) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (19:24:32) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:24:33) PirateKingLuffy: Waffles never claim
    (19:24:36) obey to kyubey: well you are a faster kill then me
    (19:24:40) Wafflz4evr: Uh?
    (19:24:42) PirateKingLuffy: unless you have shit roles
    (19:24:44) BlackStar44: not rainbow here
    (19:24:49) ±Game: Your teammate PirateKingLuffy (Gordo) has decided to kill Mohito297!
    (19:24:55) obey to kyubey: [Team] hi partner
    (19:25:02) PirateKingLuffy: lol
    (19:25:05) PirateKingLuffy: [Team] hey
    (19:25:05) ±Dratini: guest28108 was muted by Wriggle Nightbug for 1 hour! [Reason: Rule 3, asking for battles gets annoying, so use the Find Battle button and read the /rules] [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (19:25:07) ±Dratini: mariano1995 was muted by Wriggle Nightbug for 1 hour! [Reason: Rule 3, asking for battles gets annoying, so use the Find Battle button and read the /rules] [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (19:25:11) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:25:11) Times Up! :
    (19:25:11) ±Kirby: Mohito297 (Mass Kirby) will not be seen in Dream Land anymore!
    (19:25:11) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:25:12) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, Gordo, King Dedede, Rainbow Sword Kirby.
    (19:25:12) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, PirateKingLuffy, Sniper_501, Wafflz4evr, obey to kyubey.
    (19:25:12) ±Current Team: Gordo, King Dedede
    (19:25:12) ±Time: Day 1
    (19:25:12) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (19:25:12) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:25:12) ±Dratini: pokemon battler was muted by Wriggle Nightbug for 1 hour! [Reason: Rule 3, asking for battles gets annoying, so use the Find Battle button and read the /rules] [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (19:25:17) ±Dratini: Pokémon Master Jebb was muted by Wriggle Nightbug for 1 hour! [Reason: Rule 3, asking for battles gets annoying, so use the Find Battle button and read the /rules] [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (19:25:18) Wafflz4evr: Uh? Explain, if possible.
    (19:25:22) PirateKingLuffy: new roles
    (19:25:29) PirateKingLuffy: not the one i'm familiar with
    (19:25:36) obey to kyubey: never heard of this roles Gordo and mass kirby
    (19:25:41) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:25:41) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, Gordo, King Dedede, Rainbow Sword Kirby.
    (19:25:41) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, PirateKingLuffy, Sniper_501, Wafflz4evr, obey to kyubey.
    (19:25:41) ±Current Team: Gordo, King Dedede
    (19:25:41) ±Time: Day 1
    (19:25:41) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (19:25:41) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:25:47) PirateKingLuffy: yeah
    (19:25:52) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (19:25:52) ±Role: Mass Kirby
    (19:25:52) ±Ability: Vote counts as 10. Sided with Kirby.
    (19:25:52) ±Players: 2-6, 42-52 Players
    (19:25:52) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (19:25:57) BlackStar44: sshould we rand
    (19:26:00) obey to kyubey: waoh mass has +10 votes
    (19:26:05) ±Game: BlackStar44 voted for Sniper_501!
    (19:26:09) PirateKingLuffy: mass and cook
    (19:26:12) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (19:26:12) ±Role: Gordo
    (19:26:12) ±Ability: Can kill one person during the night. Vote counts as 0.5. Revenges any opponent's night action. Gets hax on fight, hammer and sword. Sided with Dedede Mafia.
    (19:26:12) ±Players: 6, 35-52 Players
    (19:26:12) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (19:26:12) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:26:12) Times Up! :
    (19:26:12) ±Game: Sniper_501 (Rainbow Sword Kirby) was lynched and had to leave Dream Land!
    (19:26:12) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:26:12) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, Gordo, King Dedede.
    (19:26:12) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, PirateKingLuffy, Wafflz4evr, obey to kyubey.
    (19:26:12) ±Current Team: Gordo, King Dedede
    (19:26:12) ±Time: Night 2
    (19:26:12) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (19:26:12) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:26:17) BlackStar44: damn
    (19:26:23) ±Game: Your teammate PirateKingLuffy (Gordo) has decided to kill BlackStar44!
    (19:26:23) Wafflz4evr: What are our "moves"?
    (19:26:28) PirateKingLuffy: is that like mike?
    (19:26:34) Wafflz4evr: Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! Huh?
    (19:26:42) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:26:42) Times Up! :
    (19:26:42) ±Kirby: BlackStar44 (Cook Kirby) will not be seen in Dream Land anymore!
    (19:26:42) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:26:42) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Gordo, King Dedede.
    (19:26:42) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Wafflz4evr, obey to kyubey.
    (19:26:42) ±Current Team: Gordo, King Dedede
    (19:26:42) ±Time: Day 2
    (19:26:42) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (19:26:42) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:26:48) PirateKingLuffy: oh boy
    (19:26:51) Wafflz4evr: Bad guy?
    (19:26:58) Wafflz4evr: Huh!?
    (19:27:09) PirateKingLuffy: I think its obey to kyubey
    (19:27:12) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:27:12) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Gordo, King Dedede.
    (19:27:12) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Wafflz4evr, obey to kyubey.
    (19:27:12) ±Current Team: Gordo, King Dedede
    (19:27:12) ±Time: Day 2
    (19:27:12) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (19:27:12) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:27:16) PirateKingLuffy: he is too quiert
    (19:27:21) obey to kyubey: i think is Wafflz4evr XD
    (19:27:25) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for Wafflz4evr!
    (19:27:26) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for Wafflz4evr!
    (19:27:30) Wafflz4evr: How would I know?
    (19:27:34) Wafflz4evr: D:
    (19:27:37) Wafflz4evr: Nuuu!
    (19:27:40) Wafflz4evr: i think
    (19:27:41) PirateKingLuffy: lol
    (19:27:42) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    (19:27:42) Times Up! :
    (19:27:42) ±Game: Wafflz4evr (Cook Kirby) was lynched and had to leave Dream Land!
    (19:27:42) ±King Dedede: I'm the (self-proclaimed) King of Dream Land, so obviously the victory goes to me and my minions! Now bring all the food you can find to PirateKingLuffy and obey to kyubey!
    (19:27:42) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<)
    Kind DEDEDE and Gordo won without loss, but i think that village has good chance to win too.
     
  3. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    I've done this for Ember with a couple problems, most aesthetic. People need to realize that we need more themes to be played during nonPeak since everyone died over spring break :x
     
  4. Fiery Espeon

    Fiery Espeon The fire never bothered me anyway ~

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    I think we just need to increase popularity of Mafia. Non-Peak is a great step forward, but a lot of people, including myself, would like to play games with a large number of people. Get new players, get back old players and more people will join. Non Peak is a great step forward, but some people don't like Non Peak or refuse to play.
     
  5. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    I think the general issue is people are too busy with school and finals and such, which I can totally get since my finals are next week (senior in HS w00t). If we're still having this popularity problem mid-June, that is when we should start thinking about how to boost the channel's popularity.
     
  6. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    The point of this thread is not discussing how to make the channel more active. The idea here is to discuss non-peak ideas for existing themes recycling as much as possible from the current roles the theme has.

    I've been thinking if it was possible to add a non-peak FF, but it seems quite impossible without any new role, since all baddies except Ultimecia and Kuja have a killing action available N1. With those roles, 3-players setups are impossible, while 4-players would often become Vanilla.

    I also want non-peak setups for Weapons and MP. MP is probably possible, but it has the same problem with the killers that FF has, so I need to think more. For Weapons, I was planning an update anyway, so I may as well make the new roles suitable for non-peak too.
     
  7. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    I was thinking to introduce a 3-6 players non-peak version of FiM but I am not sure what to do.
    The only idea that I could come up is that to have a ponyta mafia role.
    The Idea works this way,
    1) On this game Size there is Twilight (the inspector), the villagers and ponyta as mafia.
    2)The villagers' names are revealed in the Current role list but the villager players don't know what is their real name.
    3) Ponyta has a 1.1 vote power and a -0.1 voteshield to make it more difficult to find him. Every night Ponyta can disguise themseves as one of the villager pony still alive. After 3 nights Ponyta will evolve into Rapidash and will start to kill, this way the game will not be too stallish and Twilight will not inspect too often the same Player to see if changed Role.
    Practically the gameplay would be something like this:
    Twilight the Inspector is the only Pony that knows their role name, every night Twilight will inspect a Player, maybe reveal what they got and lead the village during the night. Meanwhile during the night Ponyta will write the name of a role apart Twilight and disguise himself as that role.
    The point o the game would be that to discover who is ponyta and ponyta have to disguise himself trying to not be inspected as a Pony that already died.
    Soooo let me know what do you think .
     
  8. Fiery Espeon

    Fiery Espeon The fire never bothered me anyway ~

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    Actually, Idk if you watch FIM or not, but there is a new villain. You can search it up on a wiki or something. He's called Tyrek. Basically, he's a primate who tried to take control of the ponies but was imprisoned in Tartarus. He escaped and slowly regained power and finally started draining magic from unicorn, the power of flight from pegasi and brute strength from the earth ponies. Celestia, Cadance and Luna gave TS their alicorn magic to safeguard it. Discord joined forces with Tyrek but before that he was sided with the ponies. To the point, Tyrek gets up to TS and their at a stalemate. Discord got betrayed by him earlier and was also magicless. Blah, blah, friendship is magic, Discord gives TS he final key and TS finally becomes a princess with a castle.
    This is really good material for a mafia theme and you can incorporate both to the theme, and the non peak version.
     
  9. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Sorry I still haven't saw the last season because this year i have only 2 giga of internet per month so I cannot watch video online anymore XP.
    Anyway are you suggesting me to use Tirek instead of Ponyta as role able disguise themselves as a villager pony, or, do you want me to make him as new bad role for peak games.
    I still have to see Tirek's design but from your description I imagine it like a a Mankey with shark's teeth , a monocle and evil mustaches.
     
  10. Fiery Espeon

    Fiery Espeon The fire never bothered me anyway ~

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    Perfect description. More like a centaur. (Tyrek.) You could do both but Peak would be really interesting for reasons stated above.
     
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