[Non-Peak] Rock-Paper-Scissors (RPS)

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  1. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    I know you told me why, I was looking for a logistical answer.
     
  2. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    It's not a bug. I added "noVote": true, on purpose for 3 and 4 players games because :
    1) It looked weird on that sizes and some players looked confused for voting in a 1vs1vs1 situation.
    2) This way the game is longer.
    3) On that game sizes I thought that would be better a battle royale without vote phase because the teams are equals.
    4) On 1vs1vs1 there is not a pretty logical choice to vote someone out unless they want to vote out who has more HP. Which doesn't always happen and is a little unfair on the lynched player on my opinion.
    5)On 2vs2 the players will often try to tie if they are all alive, if they discover an enemy and reveal it to get it voted out then they would only get a tie and connect the other opponent to their revealed partner.

    Personally I wanted to delete completely the vote phase from 3 and 4 players sizes, but is impossible without deleting it for all the other sizes, so the only choices were noVote or give them a vote of 0. You think is wrong all of this guys ? Should I give the vote back?
     
  3. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I'm planning on coding a "End Voting Phase if all remaining players that still didn't vote have noVote: true" feature, so in cases like this one the vote phase would begin and instantly end (or not even begin at all, I have to check if it's possible).
     
  4. Whereabouts Unknown

    Whereabouts Unknown Absolutely Stunning Forum Moderator Channel Leader Forum Moderator Channel Leader

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    I agree, voting in 3 player disincentives getting ahead. The player with the most HP will get voted off by the other two.
    4 player voting doesn't accomplish anything, except make 2v1 scenarios even worse for the losing party.
     
  5. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    And this was the kind of answer I was looking for because I was unaware of the change, admittedly, but it makes sense even if it drags the game a little. Thanks, I'll be scouting the game out more.
     
  6. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Oh that would be delightful, let me know hot it goes. :wink:
     
  7. Roild

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    Any way to silence the curse?
     
  8. RudeStyle

    RudeStyle A year late x D

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    (20:38:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:38:57) Times Up! :
    (20:38:57) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (20:38:57) ±Game: You are a Blue Hand [4]!
    (20:38:57) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you. You cannot vote!
    (20:38:57) ±Game: You have 4HP!
    (20:38:57) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [4], Red Hand [4], Yellow Hand [4].
    (20:38:57) ±Current Players: Natsu Dragniil, RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:38:57) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [4]
    (20:38:57) ±Time: Night 1
    (20:38:57) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (20:38:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:39:14) ±Game: You have chosen to rock Natsu Dragniil!
    (20:39:22) RudeStyle: going paper
    (20:39:37) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:39:37) Times Up! :
    (20:39:37) ±Game: You smashed a pair of Scissors! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.
    (20:39:37) ±Game: Paper wraps Rock! You received 2 points of damage.
    (20:39:37) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (20:39:37) ±Game: You are a Blue Hand [2]!
    (20:39:37) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (20:39:37) ±Game: You have 2HP!
    (20:39:37) No one died! :
    (20:39:37) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:39:38) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [2], Red Hand [2], Yellow Hand [2].
    (20:39:38) ±Current Players: Natsu Dragniil, RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:39:38) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [2]
    (20:39:38) ±Time: Day 1
    (20:39:38) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (20:39:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:39:45) Natsu Dragniil: Meaning going either Rock or scissors or doule bluffing
    (20:39:46) RudeStyle: lol
    (20:39:51) White Kyurem: he went rock
    (20:39:55) White Kyurem: lol
    (20:39:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:39:57) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [2], Red Hand [2], Yellow Hand [2].
    (20:39:57) ±Current Players: Natsu Dragniil, RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:39:57) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [2]
    (20:39:57) ±Time: Day 1
    (20:39:57) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:39:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:40:08) Natsu Dragniil: Is there really any point in voting?
    (20:40:11) RudeStyle: not really
    (20:40:14) White Kyurem: meh
    (20:40:23) White Kyurem: we can't vote anyway
    (20:40:27) ±Game: You cannot vote!
    (20:40:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:40:27) Times Up! :
    (20:40:27) No one was voted off!:
    (20:40:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:40:27) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [2], Red Hand [2], Yellow Hand [2].
    (20:40:28) ±Current Players: Natsu Dragniil, RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:40:28) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [2]
    (20:40:28) ±Time: Night 2
    (20:40:28) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:40:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:40:28) Natsu Dragniil: well we can
    (20:40:30) Natalie changed names and is now known as RandomGuyNat.

    (20:40:31) White Kyurem: nope
    (20:40:32) White Kyurem: i tried
    (20:40:33) RudeStyle: it says we can't
    (20:40:34) Natsu Dragniil: (not anymore)
    (20:40:36) RudeStyle: must've changed
    (20:40:38) Natsu Dragniil: oh really?
    (20:40:40) ±Game: You have chosen to paper Natsu Dragniil!
    (20:40:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:40:57) Times Up! :
    (20:40:57) ±Game: Your target was Paper too! You dealt 1 point of damage to them.
    (20:40:57) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (20:40:57) ±Game: You are a Blue Hand [2]!
    (20:40:57) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (20:40:57) ±Game: You have 2HP!
    (20:40:57) ±Foot: Natsu Dragniil (Red Hand) was eliminated!
    (20:40:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:40:57) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [2], Yellow Hand [2].
    (20:40:57) ±Current Players: RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:40:57) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [2]
    (20:40:57) ±Time: Day 2
    (20:40:57) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (20:40:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:41:07) RudeStyle: e_e
    (20:41:11) White Kyurem: i cut him
    (20:41:17) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:41:17) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [2], Yellow Hand [2].
    (20:41:17) ±Current Players: RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:41:17) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [2]
    (20:41:17) ±Time: Day 2
    (20:41:17) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:41:17) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:41:20) RudeStyle: i papered you
    (20:41:23) RudeStyle: *him
    (20:41:47) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:41:47) Times Up! :
    (20:41:47) No one was voted off!:
    (20:41:47) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:41:47) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [2], Yellow Hand [2].
    (20:41:47) ±Current Players: RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:41:47) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [2]
    (20:41:47) ±Time: Night 3
    (20:41:47) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:41:47) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:41:56) White Kyurem: going rock
    (20:41:57) White Kyurem: obv
    (20:42:13) ±Game: You have chosen to rock White Kyurem!
    (20:42:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:42:18) Times Up! :
    (20:42:18) ±Game: Your target was a Rock too! You dealt 1 point of damage to them.
    (20:42:18) ±Game: Another Rock attacked you! You received 1 point of damage.
    (20:42:18) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (20:42:18) ±Game: You are a Blue Hand [1]!
    (20:42:18) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (20:42:18) ±Game: You have 1HP!
    (20:42:18) No one died! :
    (20:42:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:42:18) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [1], Yellow Hand [1].
    (20:42:18) ±Current Players: RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:42:18) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [1]
    (20:42:18) ±Time: Day 3
    (20:42:18) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (20:42:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:42:25) RudeStyle: is rock
    (20:42:29) White Kyurem: wow
    (20:42:37) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:42:37) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [1], Yellow Hand [1].
    (20:42:37) ±Current Players: RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:42:37) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [1]
    (20:42:37) ±Time: Day 3
    (20:42:37) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:42:37) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:42:46) RudeStyle: this part can be a bit tedious i guess
    (20:43:07) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:43:07) Times Up! :
    (20:43:07) No one was voted off!:
    (20:43:07) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:43:08) ±Current Roles: Blue Hand [1], Yellow Hand [1].
    (20:43:08) ±Current Players: RudeStyle, White Kyurem.
    (20:43:08) ±Current Team: Blue Hand [1]
    (20:43:08) ±Time: Night 4
    (20:43:08) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (20:43:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:43:18) ±Game: You have chosen to paper White Kyurem!
    (20:43:37) ***************************************************************************************
    (20:43:37) Times Up! :
    (20:43:37) ±Game: You wrapped a Rock! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.
    (20:43:37) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (20:43:37) ±Game: You are a Blue Hand [1]!
    (20:43:37) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (20:43:37) ±Game: You have 1HP!
    (20:43:37) ±Foot: White Kyurem (Yellow Hand) was eliminated!
    (20:43:37) ±Foot: Through icy determination, the Blue Hands RudeStyle lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!

    Heres a 3 player game. A bit of bluffing on my part and someone else too. It's Definitely good that we can't vote at 3. Kept the game going a little bit longer and had equal odds for all of us.
     
  9. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Yeah I could silence the curse but then people will be unaware of their actual Healt Points if they don't use /myrole.
    I am attempting to find a solution using Rice's Delayed Conversion Messages , so that I can silence the Curse , and take off the silence from the conversion of the hands converted into Items, so that there will be less messages during the night and only when attacked. But before to do so I want to be sure that Delayed Conversion doesn't work on curses, otherwise people would not receive any message at all apart the dummies messages: "you dealt X Damages" and "you received X Damages".
    Oh about the "you received X damages", should I remove them too? I mean after all we will know how much HP have thanks to the curses, but maybe the "you received X damages"messages can be useful to find out if someone faked to have attacked you. What do you guys think?
     
  10. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Delayed Conversion Message will work as long as you change roles during the night, regardless of the method.


    Keep those messages. Otherwise players wouldn't know if they had been hit by 1 good hit or 2 neutral hits, for example.
     
  11. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ok now I think to understand how it works Delayed Conversion Message and sadly I think that it can't be useful to make to solve the problem with the curse's heavy message.
    But I have another Idea, I could change the translation name of the Hands when transformed into rock paper and scissors with their amount of HP, so a scissors role with 5 Health Points as translation name will have [5]. After that I will expand the "you received X damages" messages to explain even how much HP the players have, so when someone will receive any damage, they will receive even how much HP they still have, like this "Paper wraps Rock! You received 2 points of damage. You still have [2] Health Points!", the only problem is that the players will receive an HP message for every time that they get damaged instead then only once per night, which I don't know if it would be confusing or not.
    Soooo, what do you think guys? It can work or is better as it is now?
     
  12. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    I like it how it is now tbh since you can already tell how much HP you have left anyway, thus that extra message isn't really needed and adds clutter.
     
  13. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    I think you do not understand. I am not adding any extra message, in fact I am removing the giant amount of messages produced by the Curse, and transfering the part of the Curse message that say how much HP you still have to the messages that says How much damages you got from another player, which is not a new message because it already existed but now it says even how much HP you still have after the attack.
    Here an exemple of how the messages are now:
    (02:13:55) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:13:55) Times Up! :
    (02:13:55) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (02:13:55) ±Game: You are a Green Hand [4]!
    (02:13:55) ±Game: Your team have less Health Points then the other teams but you are more numerous. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.
    (02:13:55) ±Game: You have 4HP!
    (02:13:55) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [6], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (02:13:55) ±Current Players: HarisKun, Karp Karpity, Mr. Perry, Pikamaster, RiceKirby, obey to kyubey.
    (02:13:55) ±Current Team: Emerald Hand [6], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4]
    (02:13:55) ±Time: Night 1
    (02:13:55) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (02:13:55) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:13:56) HarisKun: ./push
    (02:14:00) Karp Karpity: emerald here
    (02:14:02) Karp Karpity: do i claim?
    (02:14:02) Mr. Perry: i need to say
    (02:14:08) Mr. Perry: I said pika was bad
    (02:14:08) Mr. Perry: three times
    (02:14:09) ±Game: You have chosen to rock Pikamaster!
    (02:14:14) Pikamaster: Hi Karp
    (02:14:17) Karp Karpity: hi
    (02:14:33) obey to kyubey: If there is no gray, yes you can if you want
    (02:14:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:14:34) Times Up! :
    (02:14:34) ±Game: Your target was a Rock too! You dealt 1 point of damage to them.
    (02:14:34) No one died! :
    (02:14:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:14:34) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [2], Violet Hand [5].
    (02:14:34) ±Current Players: HarisKun, Karp Karpity, Mr. Perry, Pikamaster, RiceKirby, obey to kyubey.
    (02:14:34) ±Current Team: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4]
    (02:14:34) ±Time: Day 1
    (02:14:35) You have 27 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (02:14:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:14:42) Karp Karpity: oml
    (02:14:49) Pikamaster: 3 PEOPLE ON ME
    (02:14:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:14:54) ±Foot: Emerald scanned someone with [4] HP!
    (02:14:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:14:57) Mr. Perry: >:{
    (02:14:58) Pikamaster: I must be Hate Targeted...
    (02:15:01) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:15:01) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [2], Violet Hand [5].
    (02:15:01) ±Current Players: HarisKun, Karp Karpity, Mr. Perry, Pikamaster, RiceKirby, obey to kyubey.
    (02:15:01) ±Current Team: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4]
    (02:15:01) ±Time: Day 1
    (02:15:01) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (02:15:01) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:15:02) obey to kyubey: I think Pikamaster is violet hand
    (02:15:11) Pikamaster: Not violet here
    (02:15:18) obey to kyubey: It's the only one that received damage apart emerald
    (02:15:22) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for Pikamaster!
    (02:15:25) RiceKirby: I will talk slowly because I'm eating too
    (02:15:25) ±Game: Karp Karpity voted for Pikamaster!
    (02:15:25) ±Game: HarisKun voted for Pikamaster!
    (02:15:29) ±Game: Mr. Perry voted for Pikamaster!
    (02:15:34) ±Game: RiceKirby voted for Pikamaster!
    (02:15:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:15:41) Times Up! :
    (02:15:41) ±Foot: Pikamaster (Violet Hand [2]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (02:15:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:15:41) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5].
    (02:15:41) ±Current Players: HarisKun, Karp Karpity, Mr. Perry, RiceKirby, obey to kyubey.
    (02:15:41) ±Current Team: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4]
    (02:15:41) ±Time: Night 2
    (02:15:41) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (02:15:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:15:53) Mr. Perry: tsc tsc
    (02:15:54) obey to kyubey: Can someone attack me guys?
    (02:16:00) ±Game: You have chosen to rock RiceKirby!
    (02:16:04) RiceKirby: Sure
    (02:16:06) Mr. Perry: ok :<
    (02:16:07) obey to kyubey: I need to check the messages
    (02:16:10) obey to kyubey: I am using rock
    (02:16:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:16:12) Times Up! :
    (02:16:12) ±Game: Your target was a Rock too! You dealt 1 point of damage to them.
    (02:16:12) ±Game: Another Rock attacked you! You received 1 point of damage. You still have [3] Health Points!
    (02:16:12) ±Game: Another Rock attacked you! You received 1 point of damage. You still have [2] Health Points!
    (02:16:12) No one died! :
    (02:16:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:16:12) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4].
    (02:16:12) ±Current Players: HarisKun, Karp Karpity, Mr. Perry, RiceKirby, obey to kyubey.
    (02:16:12) ±Current Team: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4]
    (02:16:12) ±Time: Day 2
    (02:16:12) You have 27 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (02:16:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:16:23) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:16:23) ±Foot: Emerald scanned someone with [4] HP!
    (02:16:23) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:16:36) obey to kyubey: Who did you inspected the previous night Karp Karpity ?
    (02:16:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:16:38) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4].
    (02:16:38) ±Current Players: HarisKun, Karp Karpity, Mr. Perry, RiceKirby, obey to kyubey.
    (02:16:38) ±Current Team: Emerald Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4]
    (02:16:38) ±Time: Day 2
    (02:16:39) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (02:16:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:16:40) Karp Karpity: haris clean
    (02:16:48) Karp Karpity: its rice
    (02:16:49) Mr. Perry: perry is clean too
    (02:16:51) RiceKirby: You mean from last turn?
    (02:16:53) ±Game: Karp Karpity voted for RiceKirby!
    (02:16:55) RiceKirby: I'm not
    (02:16:55) obey to kyubey: Yes
    (02:16:57) ±Game: HarisKun voted for RiceKirby!
    (02:17:03) ±Game: Mr. Perry voted for RiceKirby!
    (02:17:05) ±Game: RiceKirby voted for HarisKun!
    (02:17:10) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for RiceKirby!
    (02:17:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:17:10) Times Up! :
    (02:17:10) ±Foot: RiceKirby (Violet Hand [4]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (02:17:10) ±Foot: With the power of democracy, the Green Hands obey to kyubey, HarisKun, Karp Karpity and Mr. Perry lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!
    (02:17:10) ***************************************************************************************
    As you can see the messages are more shorter but they say how much HP we still have every time that we get hit intead then at the end of the night!
     
  14. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    ....OK, I'm just dumb then lol. Do that.
     
  15. Karp Karpity

    Karp Karpity Active Member

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    Here's a log of a glitched game
    (18:12:07) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:12:07) Times Up! :
    (18:12:07) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (18:12:07) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [7], Gray Hand [6], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:12:07) ±Current Players: Cereal, Chota Bheem, Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, Laser Kirby, MewtwoHidden, RickThePkmnBoss, SexyApollo, andrinor.
    (18:12:07) ±Time: Night 1
    (18:12:07) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (18:12:07) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:12:08) Laser Kirby: you must learn to code first
    (18:12:11) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.
    (18:12:16) Joeypals: Coding, general idea that's different than all the other themes, etc
    (18:12:19) Yuki Star Fox joined the channel.

    (18:12:21) MewtwoHidden: somebody could code for him
    (18:12:27) MewtwoHidden: I could for instance
    (18:12:28) Withoutatrace won against Daybreak.

    (18:12:37) Chota Bheem: What is coding?
    (18:12:38) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:12:45) Veteran Padgett won against .

    (18:12:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:12:46) Times Up! :
    (18:12:46) ±Foot: Laser Kirby ([7]) was eliminated!
    (18:12:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:12:46) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:12:46) ±Current Players: Cereal, Chota Bheem, Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, MewtwoHidden, RickThePkmnBoss, SexyApollo, andrinor.
    (18:12:46) ±Time: Day 1
    (18:12:46) You have 27 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (18:12:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:12:48) RickThePkmnBoss: where you add stuff to make the theme
    (18:12:51) Daybreak won against Withoutatrace.

    (18:12:56) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:12:57) MewtwoHidden: the server converts a code into the game
    (18:12:57) Darkslayer joined the channel.

    (18:13:02) Daybreak won against Withoutatrace.

    (18:13:04) MewtwoHidden: the code tells the server what to do
    (18:13:09) HarisKun: you need a software
    (18:13:11) MewtwoHidden: in a game
    (18:13:13) HarisKun: Notepad++
    (18:13:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:13:13) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:13:13) ±Current Players: Cereal, Chota Bheem, Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, MewtwoHidden, RickThePkmnBoss, SexyApollo, andrinor.
    (18:13:13) ±Time: Day 1
    (18:13:13) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:13:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:13:14) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:13:14) Joeypals: Someone take that part of the log and shoot it to obey please
    (18:13:15) Chota Bheem: Joeypals do you know codes?
    (18:13:25) Joeypals: That shouldn't have done that
    (18:13:25) MewtwoHidden: you dont need it HarisKun
    (18:13:25) Darkslayer left the channel.

    (18:13:26) RickThePkmnBoss: why didnt my ±game you are green hand [**hp] thing show up
    (18:13:29) SexyApollo: how can a 12 year old like me code
    (18:13:31) andrinor: gray hand,green hand, white hand...
    (18:13:31) MewtwoHidden: I code in pastebin
    (18:13:40) Joeypals: I do Pastebin
    (18:13:43) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:13:43) Times Up! :
    (18:13:43) No one was voted off!:
    (18:13:43) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:13:43) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:13:43) ±Current Players: Cereal, Chota Bheem, Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, MewtwoHidden, RickThePkmnBoss, SexyApollo, andrinor.
    (18:13:43) ±Time: Night 2
    (18:13:43) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:13:43) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:13:57) IronStorm won against .

    (18:13:58) [OG]UmbraSkyYT joined the channel.

    (18:13:58) Daybreak won against Withoutatrace.

    (18:13:58) RickThePkmnBoss: ima rock someones world!
    (18:14:08) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:14:08) Joeypals: Seriously though, someone please grab the log of n1 and give it to obey
    (18:14:08) HarisKun: Hard as rock
    (18:14:12) Joeypals: That was an error
    (18:14:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:14:14) Times Up! :
    (18:14:14) ±Foot: Cereal ([4]) was eliminated!
    (18:14:14) ±Foot: MewtwoHidden (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (18:14:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:14:14) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:14:14) ±Current Players: Chota Bheem, Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, RickThePkmnBoss, SexyApollo, andrinor.
    (18:14:14) ±Time: Day 2
    (18:14:14) You have 27 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (18:14:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:14:14) HarisKun: sure
    (18:14:16) Poke Expert forfeited against Shadow Sneak.

    (18:14:16) HarisKun: ik
    (18:14:21) [OG]UmbraSkyYT left the channel.

    (18:14:25) Battle between Shadow Sneak and HeartBreak Kidd started.

    (18:14:25) Diamondslight won against Unknown Trainer.

    (18:14:27) andrinor: metapod used harden
    (18:14:31) Battle between Veteran Padgett and started.

    (18:14:32) [OG]UmbraSkyYT joined the channel.

    (18:14:33) Battle between and IronStorm started.

    (18:14:35) SexyApollo: MewtwoHidden they papered ur world
    (18:14:36) HarisKun: No roles name
    (18:14:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:14:40) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:14:40) ±Current Players: Chota Bheem, Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, RickThePkmnBoss, SexyApollo, andrinor.
    (18:14:40) ±Time: Day 2
    (18:14:40) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:14:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:14:41) RickThePkmnBoss: does the commands like rock do a kill thing?
    (18:14:42) Chota Bheem: What was the error?
    (18:14:47) Battle between Diamondslight and Micaiah started.

    (18:14:48) Withoutatrace won against Daybreak.

    (18:14:52) ±Game: andrinor voted for Dubz!
    (18:14:54) Joeypals: Look at Laser's death
    (18:14:59) ±Game: Joeypals voted for andrinor!
    (18:15:00) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:15:02) ±Game: Dubz voted for andrinor!
    (18:15:03) Dubz: counter
    (18:15:05) ±Game: HarisKun voted for andrinor!
    (18:15:07) Joeypals: And Cereal's
    (18:15:08) ±Game: RickThePkmnBoss voted for andrinor!
    (18:15:08) andrinor: fuuuuu
    (18:15:15) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:15) Times Up! :
    (18:15:15) ±Foot: andrinor (Green Hand [4]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (18:15:15) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:15) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:15:15) ±Current Players: Chota Bheem, Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, RickThePkmnBoss, SexyApollo.
    (18:15:15) ±Time: Night 3
    (18:15:15) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:15:15) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:26) HarisKun: i think it's supposed to be [rolesname] Eliminated
    (18:15:27) HarisKun: not the player
    (18:15:32) Joeypals: Right
    (18:15:33) Daybreak won against Withoutatrace.

    (18:15:43) Joeypals: I have someone getting the log
    (18:15:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:45) Times Up! :
    (18:15:45) ±Foot: Chota Bheem ([4]) was eliminated!
    (18:15:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:45) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [1], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:15:45) ±Current Players: Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, RickThePkmnBoss, SexyApollo.
    (18:15:45) ±Time: Day 3
    (18:15:45) You have 27 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (18:15:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:46) RickThePkmnBoss: idk anymore tacos
    (18:15:49) Battle between andrinor and started.

    (18:15:50) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:15:51) Battle between [EF]Greninja and Cal. started.

    (18:15:57) SexyApollo: l;
    (18:16:01) Battle between Chota Bheem and Shaymin's flower started.

    (18:16:03) RickThePkmnBoss: im green lol
    (18:16:06) Joeypals: Found Gray
    (18:16:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:13) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [1], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:16:13) ±Current Players: Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, RickThePkmnBoss, SexyApollo.
    (18:16:13) ±Time: Day 3
    (18:16:13) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:16:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:14) ±Game: Joeypals voted for RickThePkmnBoss!
    (18:16:15) Battle between LunaOfMoon and [OG]UmbraSkyYT started.

    (18:16:17) RickThePkmnBoss: gray claim and you can win
    (18:16:19) Daybreak won against Withoutatrace.

    (18:16:20) ±Game: HarisKun voted for RickThePkmnBoss!
    (18:16:22) ±Game: SexyApollo voted for RickThePkmnBoss!
    (18:16:23) ±Game: Dubz voted for RickThePkmnBoss!
    (18:16:24) Joeypals: Rick is gray and a fake
    (18:16:30) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:16:33) Withoutatrace forfeited against Daybreak.

    (18:16:37) RickThePkmnBoss: i have 1hp
    (18:16:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:42) Times Up! :
    (18:16:42) ±Foot: RickThePkmnBoss (Green Hand [1]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (18:16:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:42) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:16:42) ±Current Players: Dubz, HarisKun, Joeypals, SexyApollo.
    (18:16:42) ±Time: Night 4
    (18:16:42) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:16:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:43) RickThePkmnBoss: [Dead] ;-;
    (18:16:46) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:16:49) Joeypals: ...or that, k
    (18:16:54) Withoutatrace won against Daybreak.

    (18:16:56) Laser Kirby: [Dead] rick against the world :)
    (18:16:58) RickThePkmnBoss: [Dead] i kept using rock and kept killing lol
    (18:16:59) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:17:04) Withoutatrace won against Daybreak.

    (18:17:08) RickThePkmnBoss: [Dead] my rock killed you laser CD
    (18:17:10) Battle between Daybreak and Withoutatrace started.

    (18:17:11) Diamondslight won against Micaiah.

    (18:17:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:17:12) Times Up! :
    (18:17:12) ±Foot: Dubz ([5]) was eliminated!
    (18:17:12) ±Foot: SexyApollo (Gray Hand) was eliminated!
    (18:17:12) ±Foot: With the power of brute force, the Violet Hands Joeypals and HarisKun lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!
    (18:17:12) ***************************************************************************************

    Apparently the killing messages malfunctioned by saying the HP and not the role name.
     
  16. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ops my bad, I forgot that Gray Hands kills only after that their target transformed into Rock, Paper or Scissors, now I have raised their priority to -1 so there shouldn't be problems with the killing message now.
     
  17. Endeavour

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    At Joeypals' request, a log of a game:

    http://pastebin.com/9xpbfKAJ

    I believe he intended the dead to be shown as 'Green Hand', not 'Green Hand [4]'.
    Also, the changelog of the theme isn't getting updated, he wanted to poke obey to kyubey for that, so just reminding/poking him now.
     
  18. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    There's something weird happening too. I don't have the log but I was a Violet Hand [5] and autodied without it saying I took damage, so unless 3 people hit me at once I don't understand.
     
  19. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Can you give me the log?
    Anyway are you sure that you weren't hit by gray hand's /gun which automatically kill you?
     
  20. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    I can't because I was on my phone, but the Gray was already gone. It was me, two other Violets, Emerald, and 2 or 3 Green at the time.
     
  21. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Now it should be OK at least from this log:
    (01:58:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:58:28) ±Game: Endeavour started a game with theme RPS (Rock-Paper-Scissors)!
    (01:58:28) ±Game: Type /Join to enter the game!
    (01:58:28) ***************************************************************************************

    (01:58:28) ±Game: One day, some children were arguing about who was the best at Rock-Paper-Scissors. After a massive uproar, a strange child said ''Hey, just go into teams. I'll be alone. Team that wins is the best'', and thus started the Super Mega Ultra Rock-Paper-Scissors Tournament! In as much as teams of 4, the teams will try to outdo each other and try to be the last one standing! A/N This theme runs on an HP system based on effectiveness. Good hit means 2HP for the opponent lost, bad hit means none lost, hitting the same type will cause your opponent to lose 1HP. Now you can Team Talk with your Known Partners! If you have any comments, questions, concerns, or bugs, please contact either obey to kyubey or Joeypals/Baby Jane/Xtina.
    (01:58:29) ±Game: Endeavour joined the game!
    (01:58:31) ±Game: Magmarex joined the game!
    (01:58:32) ±Game: Alyways joined the game!
    (01:58:33) Perspective: aw no choke
    (01:58:34) Pikamaster: Screw RPS...
    (01:58:36) ±Game: RiceKirby joined the game!
    (01:58:36) ±Game: Nitrogen joined the game!
    (01:58:38) ±Game: Dark Haze joined the game!
    (01:58:38) ±Game: Majora Mask joined the game!
    (01:58:40) ±Game: Pikamaster joined the game!
    (01:58:43) Endeavour: rps is fun
    (01:58:43) Endeavour: :<
    (01:58:46) ±Game: Perspective joined the game!
    (01:58:46) Pichi: And we would've had one more bunker if pika was blasted :c
    (01:58:47) ±Game: Pichi joined the game!
    (01:58:51) Pikamaster: Its really Borin
    (01:58:53) ±Game: Veteran Padgett joined the game!
    (01:58:56) Veteran Padgett: don't theme bash

    (01:58:58) ±Game: Hurry up, you only have 30 seconds more to join!

    (01:59:00) Alyways: perspective aims bad
    (01:59:04) Perspective: hey
    (01:59:06) Alyways: He missed
    (01:59:07) Pikamaster: Why :c
    (01:59:07) Perspective: I have a bad perspective on things
    (01:59:08) Alyways: :)
    (01:59:11) Perspective: :)
    (01:59:13) Endeavour: 2 more for full them leggo
    (01:59:18) Pikamaster: Its my opinion Right...?
    (01:59:18) Endeavour: theme*
    (01:59:25) Alyways: i just hit the self-destruct button
    (01:59:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:59:28) Times Up! :
    (01:59:28) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (01:59:28) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [7], Gray Hand [3], Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (01:59:29) ±Current Players: Alyways, Dark Haze, Endeavour, Magmarex, Majora Mask, Nitrogen, Perspective, Pichi, Pikamaster, RiceKirby, Veteran Padgett.
    (01:59:29) ±Time: Night 1
    (01:59:29) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (01:59:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:59:31) Alyways: on purpose...
    (01:59:59) *** Alyways yawns with one hand
    (02:00:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:00:08) Times Up! :
    (02:00:08) ±Foot: Pichi (Violet Hand) was eliminated!
    (02:00:08) ±Foot: Endeavour (Violet Hand) was eliminated!
    (02:00:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:00:08) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [7], Gray Hand [1], Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4].
    (02:00:08) ±Current Players: Alyways, Dark Haze, Magmarex, Majora Mask, Nitrogen, Perspective, Pikamaster, RiceKirby, Veteran Padgett.
    (02:00:08) ±Time: Day 1
    (02:00:08) You have 27 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (02:00:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:00:16) Endeavour: [Dead] and now we be dead scum
    (02:00:17) Dark Haze: violet hate
    (02:00:17) Alyways: violet fail
    (02:00:20) Pichi: [Dead] wow
    (02:00:20) Majora Mask: a lot
    (02:00:28) Pikamaster: Wow
    (02:00:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:00:35) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [7], Gray Hand [1], Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4].
    (02:00:35) ±Current Players: Alyways, Dark Haze, Magmarex, Majora Mask, Nitrogen, Perspective, Pikamaster, RiceKirby, Veteran Padgett.
    (02:00:35) ±Time: Day 1
    (02:00:35) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (02:00:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:00:38) Pikamaster: What does Gray hand do...?
    (02:00:44) Magmarex: no idea
    (02:00:49) Pikamaster: And is it bad or good..
    (02:00:51) Pikamaster: Or both
    (02:00:52) Alyways: it reflects
    (02:00:54) Nitrogen: Type /roles :gray
    (02:00:55) Pikamaster: Or Or Or-
    (02:00:57) Magmarex: check current team?
    (02:01:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:01:05) Times Up! :
    (02:01:05) No one was voted off!:
    (02:01:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:01:05) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [7], Gray Hand [1], Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4].
    (02:01:05) ±Current Players: Alyways, Dark Haze, Magmarex, Majora Mask, Nitrogen, Perspective, Pikamaster, RiceKirby, Veteran Padgett.
    (02:01:05) ±Time: Night 2
    (02:01:05) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (02:01:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:01:07) Veteran Padgett: who is a green with 2 hp?
    (02:01:09) Alyways: we have emerald
    (02:01:10) Veteran Padgett: actually
    (02:01:14) Veteran Padgett: who is emerald?
    (02:01:15) Pikamaster: Woah
    (02:01:27) Alyways: Nearly dead greeny i am.
    (02:01:33) Majora Mask: emerald afk?
    (02:01:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:01:35) Times Up! :
    (02:01:35) ±Foot: Magmarex (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (02:01:35) ±Foot: Pikamaster (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (02:01:35) ±Foot: RiceKirby (Gray Hand) was eliminated!
    (02:01:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:01:35) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [7], Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [3].
    (02:01:35) ±Current Players: Alyways, Dark Haze, Majora Mask, Nitrogen, Perspective, Veteran Padgett.
    (02:01:35) ±Time: Day 2
    (02:01:35) You have 27 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (02:01:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:01:41) Pikamaster: [Dead] Doh i missed..
    (02:01:45) Alyways: i killed rice
    (02:01:46) Majora Mask: green hate now
    (02:01:56) Majora Mask: congratz
    (02:02:02) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:02:02) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [7], Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [3].
    (02:02:02) ±Current Players: Alyways, Dark Haze, Majora Mask, Nitrogen, Perspective, Veteran Padgett.
    (02:02:02) ±Time: Day 2
    (02:02:02) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (02:02:02) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:02:07) obey to kyubey: [Dead] Why Emerald is not exposing
    (02:02:15) Majora Mask: oh Nitrogen is violet
    (02:02:16) Pikamaster: [Dead] idk
    (02:02:18) ±Game: Majora Mask voted for Nitrogen!
    (02:02:18) Alyways: There is only violet left
    (02:02:19) RiceKirby: [Dead] Because pro, obv
    (02:02:20) Nitrogen: No I'm not
    (02:02:21) Pikamaster: [Dead] Maybe Stall..?
    (02:02:21) ±Game: Nitrogen voted for Majora Mask!
    (02:02:25) ±Game: Dark Haze voted for Nitrogen!
    (02:02:27) ±Game: Veteran Padgett voted for Nitrogen!
    (02:02:29) ±Game: Alyways voted for Majora Mask!
    (02:02:37) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:02:37) Times Up! :
    (02:02:37) ±Foot: Nitrogen (Violet Hand [3]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (02:02:37) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:02:37) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [7], Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4].
    (02:02:37) ±Current Players: Alyways, Dark Haze, Majora Mask, Perspective, Veteran Padgett.
    (02:02:37) ±Time: Night 3
    (02:02:37) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (02:02:37) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:02:47) Veteran Padgett: just gray hand now
    (02:02:51) Alyways: he was, there is a grey i didn't saw
    (02:02:56) Majora Mask: its easy now
    (02:03:07) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:03:07) Times Up! :
    (02:03:07) ±Foot: Perspective (Emerald Hand) was eliminated!
    (02:03:07) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:03:07) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [1], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [4].
    (02:03:07) ±Current Players: Alyways, Dark Haze, Majora Mask, Veteran Padgett.
    (02:03:07) ±Time: Day 3
    (02:03:07) You have 27 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
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    (02:03:11) Pikamaster: [Dead] Lol
    (02:03:15) Majora Mask: oh
    (02:03:16) RiceKirby: [Dead] Nice expose there, Perspective
    (02:03:16) Alyways: emerald one hit kill
    (02:03:19) Perspective: [Dead] so I have no idea what I was supposed to do
    (02:03:25) Alyways: gray is op?
    (02:03:26) Veteran Padgett: Dark Haze is the gray
    (02:03:29) Majora Mask: im not
    (02:03:32) Majora Mask: im green
    (02:03:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:03:34) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [1], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [4].
    (02:03:34) ±Current Players: Alyways, Dark Haze, Majora Mask, Veteran Padgett.
    (02:03:34) ±Time: Day 3
    (02:03:34) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
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    (02:03:35) obey to kyubey: [Dead] use inspect during the day Perspective
    (02:03:35) ±Game: Veteran Padgett voted for Dark Haze!
    (02:03:37) Perspective: [Dead] it says I can reveal after night 2 but the command reveal doesn't even exist
    (02:03:41) demwaffles forfeited against obey to kyubey.
    (02:03:42) Perspective: [Dead] oh it's inspect
    (02:03:45) ±Game: Majora Mask voted for Dark Haze!
    (02:03:58) Pikamaster: [Dead] Wow
    (02:03:59) obey to kyubey: [Dead] mmm then It still have the old message
    (02:04:02) Perspective: [Dead] but that's so troll
    (02:04:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (02:04:04) Times Up! :
    (02:04:04) ±Foot: Dark Haze (Gray Hand [1]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (02:04:04) ±Foot: With the power of democracy, the Green Hands Alyways, Majora Mask and Veteran Padgett lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!
    (02:04:04) ***************************************************************************************
    Sorry I have been unable to see any code error. Are you sure that there was only one Gray Hand? Because with 11-12 players there are two Gray Players
     
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  22. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    Yes, I'm sure. It was just an 8 or 9 player game.
     
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    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ok guys it passed some time from when I tried the Village vs Mafia setup and looking at how much has been played I guess that has been well received, but I even heard some people think that it was weird, so I wanted to hear some more precise comment about why is weird and if there is still something wrong that doesn't satisfy so that I can try to make this theme better.
     
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    I think it may be weird since the day inspect checks health. Or maybe just the format of 1v1+1. Maybe since there are two different setups, people get confused when they play one and then the other. Depends why people say, but I would imagine because those things aren't being used much.

    I find the town setup a lot more endearing since now more conversation is available. Although people may still not talk.
     
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    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Quite frankly, I was looking forward to playing the theme during conception, until I read the code and I found out that HP and colors and shit got mixed into it. I don't understand why you need to have colors and HP mixed into it. It just makes the game drag on for way longer than needed. Games have stretched from anywhere to 5 to 7 to 12 nights if memory serves correctly (one hit 9 nights not too long ago) and no matter how long your phases are to compensate for that it shouldn't take more than 5 nights on a regular basis to settle and make a side win especially in a nonpeak theme. You have three days (starting 22:00 GMT) to make this theme simple or justify otherwise or else it is a Decline from my part.
     
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    Oh god, the bad reviews just don't stop coming.
    You do realize that the colors are only the teams' names, right? There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    Also, this theme wouldn't work without an HP system, mainly for 2 reasons:
    1. No HP would mean players die on the first good hit they take, which would make the game have absolutely no logic at all (just rand a command and hope for the best). It's like real RPS: The first game is luck, but after that it's purely mind-game, which wouldn't be possible with instant deaths.
    2. No HP would also mean that a neutral hit (Rock on Rock, for example) would not work. If there was no HP system, a good hit would make you instantly defeat another players, while a bad hit would make nothing. Where would a neutral hit fit there? And no, having a bad hit defeat the user instead is a terrible idea as it makes players die because of a bad luck hit that they had no information to decide upon.

    As for the game duration, it's stupid to judge a theme only based on that. It's better having a single game going through 7 turns than having no games running at all (which has been occuring quite often even at peak times).
     
  27. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    Agreeing with Rice here completely. The #1 reason as to why this theme works is because of the HP system, without it we may as well be playing Vepix with Hands. And as for duration, you're the only one that I've seen complain about that, which makes me wonder if it's really an issue or just your preference.
     
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    From what I'm understanding, the problem is having a RPS theme at all. It only works with an HP system which requires an extended amount of time to maintain. The addition of nights is extremely different from other nonPeak themes in that players don't spend the extra time finding information. They spend it trying to kill others.

    Of course, one of the main points against this theme is that it has a non-Mafia basis. It doesn't help calling it Vepix with hands and HP. Or maybe it's a good idea to help point that out and get it removed.

    I've noticed time and it has been talked about. Since everyone is killing, small games are usually quick. The slower games are the problem. If gray dies early, the game stalls a lot. A single game of 7 turn depends on player amount. If 4, there's a problem. If a game does get to 9 or 12 just from trying to kill - and fail - then there isn't anything productive going down in this style of theme. The justifications I've seen here for what Matt is saying are weak. As to how to speed things up, it may just not work. Possibly only reducing the maximum.
     
  29. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    I'd like for you to explain what you mean by "non Mafia-like". The game has a village set-up in which there are two Mafia factions and, through pseudo-inspections via the night actions, allows people to connect up like they would in a normal Mafia game. The only issue here is that there's not alot of communication, but that's just in the channel chat. I can testify personally the game revolves heavily PM and /tt communication, making this a very different theme for the server. Isn't that what the themes are supposed to be from each other though, different? Yes the games drag a little but it doesn't snag the channel up too much.

    I also appreciate how you took my comment towards Scatterbrain and took it out of context. What HE wants is essentially Vepix with hands. This version is a legit village set-up and, as far as I've been able to tell, a majority of players like it.
     
  30. IceKirby

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    So you want all non-peak themes to be the same?

    You do realize you just made Matt's argument even weaker with this, right? Matt wanted a Vepix-like setup, and Joey explained that the HP system was added exactly to prevent that (and anyone who played can atest it accomplished this objective).
    Please do not try to distort people's words to promove your bias against the theme.
     
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  31. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    While this debate continues, allow me to link to the only post in regards to jurisdiction so far.

    Accept by Pangaea

    Anyway, back to the conversation. After analyzing the thread, the main issue I can see is "Does this theme have communication?", which may or may not be the basis of a "non Mafia-like" theme (still waiting for a definition on this term because it's been thrown around quite a bit, most recently by yourself and Windblown with no clear explanation). To answer that question, one has to look at the mechanics.

    During n1, it's completely luck-based as to who's who, unless you're the Violet Hands and you coordinate your shots (I personally like the tag-teaming technique). After that however, it's simple. Let's say for example there's 3 Green Hands with 4, a Violet with 7, and a Gray with 3. By the end of n1, I hit player 1 who loses 1HP, the end results being Gray 3, Green Hands 4, 1, and 4, and the Violet 7. By process of elimination, I can figure out the guy with 1 is on my team and I can PM them. Alternatively, the lovely concept of fakeclaiming can come in if that other person that hit the Green was the Violet Hand, creating an interesting game that is very Mafia-like (like claiming Impa to Link as Ganon, for example). I just find it funny how the main criticism is lack of public communication. I mean, if you were a Green Hand, would you want to be sitting there going "Green here, player 1 is clean'? Didn't think so.
     
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    Most roles are given said pseudo-inspection. Every role also has the ability to kill. Just throwing around pew pews to everyone isn't great. Trying to prove something with personal testimony is weird. Feels like you're trying hard to disprove a truth. Either way, the emerald brings some conversation and stuff. Clanwar setup does what it does. Themes should be different. Not all different works.

    All nonPeak the same? They're all different and have different tactics. Yet they have tactics. RPS has prediction and disconnected ganging up. I think what all nonPeak have in common at the moment is they provoke individual thought. Oracle having 100%, but having the day kills to change up village power.


    You do realize I can have separate ideas, and also why I tend to separate my sentences? Matt never said anything about a Vepix setup, just that the colors and HP added an extra dimension that dismayed him. You're both overreaching and distorting words to promote bi-- HEY WAIT A SECOND. Oh, you guys. Silly. Doesn't help to fall to the things you slander others for. Regardless, you actually don't know my opinion on the theme from what I'm saying. Believing that you do is silly.

    Ironic. Already stated it up there.
    Middle parts has a village setup. 3 and 4 keep the game small. What does 13p provide?


    There's also the issue of time and mechanics. Usually, you won't find anything helpful during an attack. Not always. Some people may try to PM, but what's the point. You get an assistant who can help you kill someone else, but you can still lose yourself from everyone else. Emerald finds actual information sometimes (not always) which can lead, otherwise the game follows its own standard of everyone hitting anything. Coordinating hardly matters, nor does it require much to say "On X". What, don't want to hit X? Whatever. Hit Y. Insignificant results.

    Also, I added that to the reviewer's guide. Maybe you haven't checked yet.
     
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  33. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    Funny thing you mention that because...

    This statement does not read "Mafia QC, except for Roild, are expected..." (etc), therefore this applies to you too. Yet, after reading the pages, you've been anything but professional. You're analyzing based on how you play, which is not how everyone plays. You've also been throwing sarcasm at obey, Ice, and I for what, the last 1 1/2 - 2 pages? And what part of this reads "ClanWar"? The original style was ClanWar, the current is village.
     
  34. IceKirby

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    Don't even try. Let's recapitulate what's happened here:
    1. Matt said he's against the HP system.
    2. We stated that the only alternative to an HP system in such theme is to make it Vepix-like, and as such, the HP system is used to avoid that.
    3. Upon reading "Vepix-like", you made it sound as if we said the theme is Vepix-like, when we said exactly the opposite.
    4. You then tried to say that we hurt our own cause with that misquote, and you even implied the theme could be instantly rejected for being a Vepix-like theme.

    You are the one that distorted words and arguments here. And to top it all, you even refused to give feedback when asked for in earlier pages, while we are properly explaining why the arguments used to give this theme a decline are invalid. Who has the bias here again?
     
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    RudeStyle A year late x D

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    My only real problem with the theme is how long it can last. I'm pretty sure when people get more familiar with the theme a lot more communication and tactics will come into play so it's not a major problem.
    As it's been mentioned if the gray hand gets taken out early it can lengthen the game out significantly. Which isn't too pleasant and it can get pretty dry if this happens ( what i mean by that is that some players could lose interest, which i hope you would like to avoid. ) I stressed this again as I think this is the most important
    I will try and voice my opinion more tomorrow.
     
  36. Joeypals!!

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    Since it is a solo role and it usually has relatively low HP, what could be helpful is if we made it only lose 1HP per attack as opposed to 2, but the problem with that is when you have smaller games and thus the Gray Hand, in conjunction to its on-again off-again Shield and 2 votes, makes it relatively OP. It's something we still have to juggle but I appreciate your input :)
     
  37. Roild

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    I analyze by common probability and overall results. I would play in the same manner as someone who hasn't created the theme or goes out of the way to do stuff.

    The rest is really silly. If you're feeling bad at something I said, don't. Hardly negative to the individual.

    Matt is against the extra time, drawn from the HP system and the colors. That does not mean Vepix when he said it considering he could mean a village setup with similar rps tactics or even something else which I don't know. That is what Joey said. You just said that HP is needed, something which I essentially agreed with. Upon reading "Vepix-like", I stated the negative connotations of referring to that. Again, not for what you said. 4 is like 3. Pointing out negatives may sound bad, but it's just pointing out stuff. Like a theme author comparing his theme to a FFA may be bad to said theme. I didn't distort anything. Some people just simply do not understand previous posts, then draw much more from them than actually stated.

    And to top it all off, if I don't have any ideas, then I don't have any ideas. The arguments why I gave the theme a decline were completely correct. That is why the theme changed - which I didn't recommend, but I did recommend Emerald to Obey. You have the bias here again. Maybe. Or someone else, idk. You must be referring to someone, but I do not know who.
     
  38. IceKirby

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    Another option is to change the Gray Hand's extra vote for a "survive 1 lynch" power, since lynches are what usually get him out so fast. This way, even if Gray is found D1, he still can take down another player before getting defeated/lynched again.

    Again, what's the problem with the colors?

    Wrong. When we mention another theme, especially a theme that was rejected, we are making it clear that thought was put to avoid the issues that said theme had. You were the one to freak upon reading "Vepix". You even said it was better so the theme would be instantly rejected.
    Do you understand the incoherence? We mentioned Vepix to make it clear this theme avoids those issues, but you said the theme could be rejected simply because we explained the theme doesn't have those problems.

    If you are unable to help the theme improve, then you are not fit to review the theme. Simple as that. You don't even need to give concrete suggestion, you can simply do as Joey and I are doing: discussing ideas. Something may emerge from that, but even if it doesn't, it's better than saying "I have no suggestion to offer".
     
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    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    How is this me saying the theme is Vepix??? No HP means the theme is a killfest, which is what we're avoiding. Matt is implying we should remove the HP system, thus my analogy.

    And the color thing isn't changing. If it were, what would we name the roles? Good Hand, Bad Hand, Lonely Hand? Everyone has gotten used to it at this point.
     
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    Joey, you said RPS - HP = Vepix. That concept wasn't enough for me to not decline before (Enough for me to decline before). Matt did imply HP could be removed, but he also implied something else could be done or an explanation to keep it for games to be less long. He implied HP could be less too. I said HP was a necessity, and also that saying that the theme is a step away from being Vepix is bad.

    I don't know the problem with colors. I didn't care for complicated colors before.

    What Joey (and I guess you by your statement) said is that the theme is vepix with hands + HP (Since it's vepix if it had no HP). I made a statement on the negative connotation of saying something like this. If you think I freaked out, maybe you should reevaluate what happened. I said something about that being better? I just stated that if you were trying to say something negative about the theme, then that would be it.

    If I am unable to help the theme improve, and I find it in a negative state, I decline: even simpler. I can recommend ideas if possible, but to assume that I could give a winning idea to every single theme I'm reviewing is ludicrous. Yet I actually did here, just not when "expected". I'm reviewing a theme, not helping build it. That's TC and I. There isn't much theme discussion atm. Seems more semantics.

    Also going to point out that my opinion is not necessarily to be drawn from what I say. So saying I'm biased is really silly.