[Non-Peak] Rock-Paper-Scissors (RPS)

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  1. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Another 5-players game: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jm48davy01i578/RPS_2014.05.06_20.16.txt
    From this game, it's possible to notice how an inspect is not really necessary. After my N1 attack, I could figure EvilDingo was not Yellow or Blue Right Hand, so it was quite likely he was my partner.

    EDIT: Log for a max capacity game (13 players): https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvdwtmi1nvbaxgj/RPS_2014.05.06_21.33.txt
    Took a while to finish (12 minutes). Lack of Team Talk contributed to slow game, but Shazan already said he will solve that.
    I also suggested having a way to "detect" Grey Hand so players will try to frame and lynch others.
     
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  2. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ok now every Player can talk with their known partner, I really hope that they understand that they cannot talk with their unknown teammates. Anyway the gray Hand had some problems with the recharges so he couldn't use his command as he should have and so even this influenced the final result. However If the game will be still too slow I will try to solve it adding a more powerful version of gray hand on this game size.
    I added on the bad-hit messages like when rock attack paper that when their targets resist their attacks it could be even the Gray Hand using his /shield .
     
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  3. Roild

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    Not sure why making gray weaker would be a good idea. Although frame is a positive.

    Anyway, it must have been known from the start that this theme required serious jiggering to make it suitable to be in a Mafia environment. Even from the older versions (from other authors), it fights against some Mafia basics.


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    (12:31:19) Times Up! :
    (12:31:19) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (12:31:19) ±Game: You are a Blue Left Hand [5]!(12:31:19) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! Sometimes you will be able to know and Team Talk with one of the Blue Right Hands. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.(12:31:19) ±Game: You have 5HP!(12:31:19) ±Game: The Blue Left Hand [5] is Roild!(12:31:19) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Red Left Hand [5], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [5].(12:31:19) ±Current Players: Amy, FinnickOdair, Roild, TraceOfLife, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., Yuzuki Kanra.(12:31:19) ±Current Team: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5](12:31:19) ±Time: Night 1(12:31:19) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
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    (12:31:21) TraceOfLife: roild you missed the update of mafia :](12:31:32) Roild: I was here for a while.(12:31:33) Tuxedo M.A.S.K.: Roild is interested.(12:31:37) ±Game: You have chosen to paper Yuzuki Kanra!(12:31:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:31:58) Times Up! :
    (12:31:58) ±Game: Your target was Paper too! You dealt 1 point of damage to them.(12:31:58) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!(12:31:58) ±Game: You are a Blue Left Hand [5]!(12:31:58) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! Sometimes you will be able to know and Team Talk with one of the Blue Right Hands. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.(12:31:58) ±Game: You have 5HP!(12:31:58) ±Game: The Blue Left Hand [5] is Roild!(12:31:58) No one died! :
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    (12:31:58) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Left Hand [1], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [5].(12:31:58) ±Current Players: Amy, FinnickOdair, Roild, TraceOfLife, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., Yuzuki Kanra.(12:31:58) ±Current Team: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3](12:31:59) ±Time: Day 1(12:31:59) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
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    (12:32:14) Roild: eh(12:32:17) Yuzuki Kanra: '_'(12:32:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:32:18) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Left Hand [1], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [5].(12:32:18) ±Current Players: Amy, FinnickOdair, Roild, TraceOfLife, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., Yuzuki Kanra.(12:32:18) ±Current Team: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3](12:32:18) ±Time: Day 1(12:32:18) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
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    (12:32:48) Times Up! :
    (12:32:48) No one was voted off!:
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    (12:32:48) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Left Hand [1], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [5].(12:32:48) ±Current Players: Amy, FinnickOdair, Roild, TraceOfLife, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., Yuzuki Kanra.(12:32:48) ±Current Team: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3](12:32:48) ±Time: Night 2(12:32:48) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
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    (12:33:01) ±Game: You have chosen to paper Amy!(12:33:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:33:18) Times Up! :
    (12:33:18) ±Game: Your target was Paper too! You dealt 1 point of damage to them.(12:33:18) ±Game: Scissors cuts Paper! You received 2 points of damage.(12:33:18) ±Game: Scissors cuts Paper! You received 2 points of damage.(12:33:18) ±Foot: Amy (Red Left Hand) was eliminated!(12:33:18) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!(12:33:18) ±Game: You are a Blue Left Hand [1]!(12:33:18) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! Sometimes you will be able to know and Team Talk with one of the Blue Right Hands. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.(12:33:18) ±Game: You have 1HP!(12:33:18) ±Game: The Blue Left Hand [1] is Roild!(12:33:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:33:18) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [1], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [4].(12:33:18) ±Current Players: FinnickOdair, Roild, TraceOfLife, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., Yuzuki Kanra.(12:33:18) ±Current Team: Blue Left Hand [1], Blue Right Hand [3](12:33:18) ±Time: Day 2(12:33:18) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
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    (12:33:38) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [1], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [4].(12:33:38) ±Current Players: FinnickOdair, Roild, TraceOfLife, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., Yuzuki Kanra.(12:33:38) ±Current Team: Blue Left Hand [1], Blue Right Hand [3](12:33:38) ±Time: Day 2(12:33:38) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
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    (12:34:08) Times Up! :
    (12:34:08) No one was voted off!:
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    (12:34:08) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [1], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [4].(12:34:08) ±Current Players: FinnickOdair, Roild, TraceOfLife, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., Yuzuki Kanra.(12:34:08) ±Current Team: Blue Left Hand [1], Blue Right Hand [3](12:34:08) ±Time: Night 3(12:34:08) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
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    (12:34:17) ±Game: You have chosen to rock Yuzuki Kanra!(12:34:22) ±Game: You have chosen to rock FinnickOdair!(12:34:33) ±Game: You have chosen to rock Yuzuki Kanra!(12:34:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:34:38) Times Up! :
    (12:34:38) ±Game: Another Rock attacked you! You received 1 point of damage.(12:34:38) ±Game: You smashed a pair of Scissors! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.(12:34:38) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!(12:34:38) ±Game: You are a Blue Left Hand!(12:34:38) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! Sometimes you will be able to know and Team Talk with one of the Blue Right Hands. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.(12:34:38) ±Game: You have 0HP!(12:34:38) ±Game: The Blue Left Hand is Roild!(12:34:38) ±Game: You lost all your HP and died!(12:34:39) ±Foot: Roild (Blue Left Hand) was eliminated!(12:34:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:34:39) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [1], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [2], Yellow Right Hand [4].(12:34:39) ±Current Players: FinnickOdair, TraceOfLife, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., Yuzuki Kanra.(12:34:39) ±Time: Day 3(12:34:39) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
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    (12:34:58) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [1], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [2], Yellow Right Hand [4].(12:34:58) ±Current Players: FinnickOdair, TraceOfLife, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., Yuzuki Kanra.(12:34:58) ±Time: Day 3(12:34:58) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
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    (12:35:23) ±Game: TraceOfLife voted for Tuxedo M.A.S.K.!(12:35:31) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:35:31) Times Up! :
    (12:35:31) ±Foot: Tuxedo M.A.S.K. cheated and was disqualified!(12:35:31) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:35:31) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [1], Yellow Left Hand [2], Yellow Right Hand [4].(12:35:31) ±Current Players: FinnickOdair, TraceOfLife, Yuzuki Kanra.(12:35:31) ±Time: Night 4(12:35:31) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
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    (12:36:01) Times Up! :
    (12:36:01) ±Foot: FinnickOdair (Yellow Left Hand) was eliminated!(12:36:01) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:36:01) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [4].(12:36:02) ±Current Players: TraceOfLife, Yuzuki Kanra.(12:36:02) ±Time: Day 4(12:36:02) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
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    (12:36:06) ±Dratini: pokeman103 was muted by Draciel for 1 hour! [Reason: spam] [Channel: Tohjo Falls](12:36:08) TraceOfLife: gawd(12:36:15) Yuzuki Kanra: you again .-.(12:36:15) TraceOfLife: i teamkilled(12:36:21) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:36:21) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [4].(12:36:21) ±Current Players: TraceOfLife, Yuzuki Kanra.(12:36:21) ±Time: Day 4(12:36:21) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
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    (12:36:26) ±Game: TraceOfLife voted for Yuzuki Kanra!(12:36:36) ±Game: Yuzuki Kanra voted for TraceOfLife!(12:36:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:36:36) Times Up! :
    (12:36:36) No one was voted off!:
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    (12:36:36) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [4].(12:36:36) ±Current Players: TraceOfLife, Yuzuki Kanra.(12:36:36) ±Time: Night 5(12:36:37) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
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    (12:37:02) ±Dratini: whataffacchingpro was mysteriously kicked by Draciel!(12:37:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:37:06) Times Up! :
    (12:37:06) ±Foot: Yuzuki Kanra (Blue Right Hand) was eliminated!(12:37:06) ±Foot: By being themselves and having fun, TraceOfLife lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!(12:37:06) ***************************************************************************************

    Went pretty much full quiet with nothing in the game. The thing is that it didn't affect the game at all. Now if there were PMs because clanwar, I can't tell. The crowd didn't organize nor care at all, so possibly an off game. My point is that no conversation is required to do anything, you can buffalo around and win.
     
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  4. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Declining a theme after only 2 days of test without even given proper suggestions or feedback. And I thought QC's quality couldn't go lower than it already was.
     
  5. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    This.

    At least give the author some positive feedback or ways how to fix it. And it's only been two days of testing, some people haven't even been able to try out this theme themselves. I myself like to hear the feedback and thoughts from the community, Mafia QC or not. I honestly really like this theme, it's fun and has strategy, and the only reason there isn't much talking is because 1) Teammates are talking with their known teammates and 2) They are taking their time to strategize during the night, like an actual game of RPS.
     
  6. RudeStyle

    RudeStyle A year late x D

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    It's waaaaay too early to start declining. especially when this theme is actually enjoyable to play. I'm not really sure what there is to talk about in RPS apart from luring possible enemies with a bluff like "going rock on name". The Game encourages strategic gameplay which is a good thing n_n
     
  7. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Shazan and I were talking about making it possible for players to frame others as Grey Hand (similar to Shedinja in Trainers). The idea we came with was to simply adjust the message a player get when their target successfully defend, but more ideas on this aspect would be cool.

    BTW, @Shazan you should add the role of the lynched player to the lynchmsg :x
    And the side's name to winmsg.
    EDIT: Log (7 players): https://www.dropbox.com/s/yowvpsb9bo1ky6a/RPS_2014.05.07_20.10.txt
    And lol, I hadn't noticed the theme's bot is Foot.

    Another one: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6781sibaknw4isj/RPS_2014.05.07_20.43.txt
     
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  8. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Lol it looks like that there are a lot of people that support at least partially this theme, thanks all of you that defended this theme ^^.
    Now returning to your post Roild,
    First of all
    we didn't weakened Gray Hand as you Roild think, what we did is simply a modification to the messages that a player will receive when it attacks a player that resisted their attack, so that they will understand that such player could be a Gray Hand that protected themselves with /shield. Actually the only way to be sure that a player is not a Gray Hand is when your target is a neutral Hit maybe I should modify that hit message too, what do you think?
    Second
    I don't mind a Decline vote so soon, it's always better then having a theme declined a month after the test period like it happened with some of my previous themes like Animals and Chrono Trigger leaving me unaware of the problems until too late, at least I have some time to try to fix the theme before the end of the test.
    What I would have loved to see together with the decline, is a little more detailed explanation about what are this Mafia Basics which this theme is going against it. I mean, it's pretty different from the previous versions like the one of Stocke and doesn't seems to bend the Mafia Basics more then other Clanwarish themes like Castle and Rotom, there are teams so that the theme could have the typical mafia collaboration between players, there are Pseudo Inspects which means that if a player uses their gray matter they could be able to understand what is going on around.
    Another thing that I would loved to see is maybe some suggestion or thoughts about why this theme has such problems like Ice Kirby said, because as you proposed the argument right now it looks like you think that there is no way that this theme can be fixed.
    Third Now let's start to analyze the only point that i could understand of your argument, the silent Players and why they don't talk:
    1) I guess that what they fear is that if they begin to talk and reveal their suspect that another player is another color then them, then their enemies will understand what colour they are, becoming this way a possible target. The good news is that when there are 3 teams colours it's more easier to reveal another color hand because the third team will be unsure i you are sided with them or not.
    2)Every team starts with the same vote power, which means that it is really unlikely that someone would expose someone so soon when their vote can be easily tied. This point too is valid only when there are only 2 teams.
    3) Looking at the first 2 points and because is impossible to have a NOC rule inside Server Mafia: it's easy to understand why people talks on PM more then in mafia channel during this theme.
    4)The mute channel doesn't mean that there is no organization or trickery during this theme, the players are simply applying it on PM instead then on general chat. They can still pm another player to Lie on them and tell that they are their partner or if they discovered their partner to reveal themselves to them.
    And now I wanna talk about some ideas to solve this problems that you proposed, so it would be really important to me to know your opinion Roild and that of any other person that will read this message
    1) Making the vote phase anonymous like it is for Trust, this way if someone has some track on a possible enemy they can vote without fearing to be targetted after.
    2)Personally If I could I wouldn't modify the theme phylosophy because as it is now one of the theme strong points is that is one of the most balanced themes on server, but if necessary on some game size where the silence is higher I could use the RPS rules in a different way:
    ---OR I make so that in that game sizes there are 2 teams, one team with more not connected hands but with less HP and a second team with fewer connected hands but with more HP, this way it would be easier to talk in the general chat.
    ---OR I make a real rock paper scissors Village vs Mafia without HPs like a classic theme, with roles like these:
    Mafia
    Mafia Hand: They know their partners, they can attack someone with /rock, /paper or /scissors (shared with team). If they get a good hit they will kill their targets, if they get a neutral hit they will poison their targets, if they get a bad hit then their target will be safe.
    Village
    Inspector Hand: Can try to Inspect someone using /rock, /paper or /scissors , if he gets a good hit their target will be inspected, if he gets a neutral hit they will receive a message that the inspection has failed, if they get a bad hit their inspection will be wrong like if they are the Insane Inspector of Dethy.
    Villager Hand: They can use /rock, /paper or /scissors on themselves hoping that the mafia will get a bad hit on them and survive this way.
    Bodyguard Hand: They can transform into /rock, /paper or /scissors and shield their target so to take the attacks instead of them.
    Anyway, some game size will still continue to have the old RPS system like 3,4 and 13 players games .

    Now i want to say some good word in favour about this theme that i think are important to say:
    1) As it is now, server mafia really needs slower 3,4 players games especially now that is unable to come out from the non-peak phase, so a theme like RPS that uses HP would be really useful.
    2) It could probably be the most balanced theme on server, because all the teams apart gray hands have the same amount of power, hp and players when they spawn.
    3)It's pretty simple and unique XP .
    Anyway if someone has some other ideas to solve such problems let me and Joeypals know!

    P.S.
    Roild remember to press this button [​IMG] before to paste a game Log if you don't want all the texts sticked between each others.
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    Ops sorry, Ok done. Well what did you expected ? With all the hands playing Rock, Paper, Scissors, remain only foot to arbitrate the game :grin:
     
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  9. Roild

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    Testing is not a necessity to themes. Themes can be accepted or declined without any testing. I just wanted to see a couple mechanics in action. This theme is a gimmick. I have no suggestions to give. Make it not a gimmick?

    @IceKirby I gave a reason to decline and I don't need three months to check everything out. I'm not on the edge enough to wait, but I do believe I stated I could change my mind if things change.

    @Pangaea ^. I stated time issue already. Theme is a gimmick and I have no positive changes to contribute. If I did had an idea, I would have said it. Personal opinion does not matter. Teammates are not known in small games. Strategy in this goes as far as killing concentrating fire vs spreading it out. Not much.

    @Rudestyle ^. The only time it is too early to start declining is before you understand what is going on. You kind of pointed out one of my reasons for declining.

    @Shazan
    I thought that making a way to find Grey would make him easier to... find. Frame has a different connotation. The messages seem really specific and feels like it would not be a helpful way to show stuff. For the most part, if the messages are different, then you'd need to read the code of the theme to understand what the possibilities are of who you are hitting.

    The theme currently is pretty much vepix with teams and HP. The X > Y > Z > X is not a negative aspect of the theme. Neither teams nor HP changes the vepix mind set.

    Yes, people are scared of being attacked. And yes, PMs could happen assuming a connection has been made. The connection only happens during n2+ less than half the time or in large games. In large games, a person could either try to kill or just spread damage. Most will try to kill one person to try and monopolize damage. Gray will be around messing people up. This will never change for how the theme is.

    Changing the vote phase wouldn't do much, I don't think.

    Balance is weird. The data proves you're wrong. Although it is all /supposedly/ balanced. tbh, one still outspeeds another. In games of 1v1, 1 still comes out first. 12-8-4 wins. That's a ratio of 3:2:1 yellow:red:blue. Gray isn't even on the board; may need more health.

    Changing the 1v1v1+1 might actually be a decent start. Especially if you change it to player amount vs HP vs ...vote power/shield? And Gray having a slight combo of all.

    A village setup for this may be excessive. That said, to the way you propose, it may also be interesting. Although what happens before you change into a role as villager?
     
  10. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Testing is not obrigatory, but if it was conceded, at least wait for the full period so the theme author is able to gather feedback and fix what's needed.
    If you have no suggestion, then you should give this theme for another QC member to review.

    Don't exaggerate. No one said you should take 3 months, but 2 days is also too quick. Both extremes are bad, all we said was that there should be a better balance in that.

    Based on the Guidelines, your review post was poor. Simple as that. You are not following the very guidelines you are supposed to enforce.

    Wrong. What Shazan did was change the message for absolutely every occurence when a player deals 0 damage to another player. This didn't change absolutely nothing in the gameplay, it was only meant to increase awareness about the roles.

    If you actually play the theme more, you will notice you will easily find yourself caught in your thoughts trying to decide your next move. Players on the server are liking that aspect.

    Sampling for win data is still too low for anything. Also, there was changes to the spawn list, and, for a faction-based theme, the win data shows nothing wrong since there are no landslides in the numbers.
    And even then, you are mistaken about the concept of balance there. Balance is not about who won or lost more, is about the chances each side has to win given their initial parameters. Win Data is just a helper to find where there are problematic points, not a definitive cold rule to check if something is balanced.

    Also, you are wrong about the priority. Shazan is probably the 2nd person to better understand how priority works for Mafia Script. He managed to make it so priority will be irrelevant.

    I actually think this theme will only work with a faction-based setup. Having a village on this kind of theme will only make the game more dull, slower and harder (if possible) to read.
     
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  11. Roild

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    Just because I didn't say "You should do X to make the theme better" does not mean I should not be allowed to review. I don't need the rest of the time for the current status of the theme. If there is a mass overhaul, it would not even be the same theme and should undergo a different review.

    I disagree. If you can accept during the middle of a test, why not decline? If I felt confident about the state of the theme, I would have decided earlier. I wanted to check mechanics first. I exaggerated because I had to get the point across that more time is not necessary.

    Posts should make theme author improve. Not theme. Should I add clauses to check for how those things are all according to the nature of a theme? Themes like vepix will not be accepted even though it has many of those things. I do find RPS to be this kind of theme, a free for all.

    I didn't understand. For some reason, never ran across any of these situations. I think I get it now. Making someone get hurt vs making him get framed. Ehhhh.

    I played and watched a lot. Considering people are quiet a lot and it doesn't affect the theme, words aren't important. The most I'd decide on (I play in the morning and late at night) is whose name I feel like removing at first.

    Somewhat, though it's still showing how one is up by thrice as much. I didn't look at balance when deciding, I do know it should be the same throughout and are all equally chanced. Except gray.

    Yet one is still going to kill the other one first, as I noticed when I played. I understood that it doesn't matter, but it actually still matters.

    I only said it'd be interesting. Not that it'd be good. My comment before showed how the 3 differently shaped sides thing may be better.
     
  12. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    You are exaggerating again. No one said about an overhaul, I've seen (and made) lots of themes instantly going from "Doesn't work" to "Work well" with simple tweaks.
    And you should give suggestions. This is the whole reason the Mafia QC was changed from a closed system and made into an open system on the forums. By saying you don't need to give suggestion, then you are going against the very reason the QC system was implemented.

    Because when you are accepting, you are saying the theme doesn't need anything else. When you are declining, you are saying the theme lacks something, and as such, you should help improving the theme first, and then declining if the author was unable to adjust that.

    Wrong. From the Mafia Review Guidelines:
    It's not about the authors, it's about the theme.

    OMG OMG OMG! I've been asking for this for over 2 years now, finally someone considered the possibility of doing it!
    Just to be clear, I've been asking since forever that Mafia QC should have a clear position regarding "non-mafia" themes. Every time a non-mafia theme comes, this same discussion happen again and then the theme itself is forgotten.

    Players actually use their brains to play. You are being unfair when you judge a theme only based on your own playing style.
    Admittely, this is a theme that so far has been shown to require little open communication, but it requires lot of thinking. You may play without thinking, but your chances are better if you pay attention.


    Again, the sampling is still ridiculously low. No game size had more than 5 games at the time I typed this.
    You have to look by spawn, not by the raw numbers, as the spawns lists for this theme change for each player added, or you will make the same mistake people did when they said "Red is OP" in Trainers.

    No, it doesn't. This theme uses a combination of convert and curse to make sure everyone attacks. If you check the logs I posted (this one specifically: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvdwtmi1nvbaxgj/RPS_2014.05.06_21.33.txt ), you will notice that I lost my last HP, yet I was able to hit another player before dying. Priority is not relevant to balance for this theme.
     
  13. Roild

    Roild Member

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    I'll add something to account for non-mafia themes. I'll talk to Obey on server about the theme. Maybe I'll open up a thread asking about opinions on non-mafia themes.

    On reviews/themes:
    Code (text):
    1. All reviews should be done based on the theme itself, not the author.
    2. All posts are expected to be constructive and help the theme author improve.
    The other stuff isn't really important now.
     
  14. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    As i said before I don't mind an early decline if it is constructive and gives me time to solve the problem.
    MMmmh, it looks like that maybe is better if I give to you Roild and any other person interested that maybe want to create another theme where the priority is not so much necessary, a more precise explanation how it works a normal hand attack:
    Blue Hand decide the /item and target ---> Blue Hand uses Copy to become that /item -----> The target too uses copy and becomes a choosen /item but as Blue Hand he still has not attacked ---->Blue Item Hand converts his target in a version of themselves with less HP if it damage it---> Blue Item Hand produce a dummy message for himself and his target that changes depending if Blue Item Hand landed a Good, a Bad or a Neutral Hit on the target-----> After this then if their Target has 0HP: it becomes poisoned and will die at the end of the same night, but Target can still attack before that this happens.
    This more or less explain why priority doesn't matter and if all the teams spawn the same number of HP and Players then the game is automatically balanced, the only role that could actually be Over Powered or Under Powered is Gray Hand
    and partially the Yellow Hand (but only on 5 players games where Yellow is the big bad guy instead of Gray Hand)
    because is the only one that has a priority that matter. This mean that 92,3% of the roles are automatically balanced and thanks to the HP system is even easier to fix Under or Over Powered roles simply giving that role more or less HP then the other hands.

    Anyway from what I understand you compare this theme with Vepix, personally I never played that theme so i am not sure how it works apart that from what i understand is a theme where everyone is a solo Role that has a priority kill, from a point of view it seems a little unfair to compare RPS to that, if I have to choose a rejected theme to compare it: I would say that is more near to Castle:oops: because the players have teams, an action and have a way to fake claim or connect with partners.
    Sorry i have some difficulty to understand what you are asking with "Although what happens before you change into a role as villager?" Can you explain it to me in a different way?
    Oh well if the problem is that night 2 is already half of the game, i can simply raise the HP level on small games, after all it could be good to have longer small games. Oh and never say never the right idea can change everything:smile:
    Actually they could simply read the Gray Hand description on the roles info i think, to understand that gray hand can protect himself. Anyway i think that i will remove the "recharge" command from Gray hand's /shield this way he can protect himself anytime he want but the bad hit message will be more useful because the chances that gray will protect themselves are higher, this way i empowered and depowered Gray at the same time :grin:

    Here a talkative 3 players game from anyone that doesn't like the silence
    (15:40:35) PirateKingLuffy: one guy with 6 points
    (15:40:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:40:36) Times Up! :
    (15:40:36) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (15:40:36) ±Game: You are a Blue Right Hand [3]!
    (15:40:36) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! Sometimes you will be able to know and Team Talk with one of the Blue Left Hands. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.
    (15:40:36) ±Game: You have 3HP!
    (15:40:36) ±Game: The Blue Right Hand [3] is obey to kyubey!
    (15:40:36) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [3], Red Right Hand [3], Yellow Right Hand [3].
    (15:40:36) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Yuzuki Kanra, obey to kyubey.
    (15:40:36) ±Current Team: Blue Right Hand [3]
    (15:40:36) ±Time: Night 1
    (15:40:36) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (15:40:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:40:41) PirateKingLuffy: yeah
    (15:40:49) ±Game: You have chosen to rock PirateKingLuffy!
    (15:41:06) obey to kyubey: Do you think that i should make the vote phase anonymous ?
    (15:41:16) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:16) Times Up! :
    (15:41:16) ±Game: Your attack was deflected, your target either used a piece of Paper or a Gray Shield
    (15:41:16) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (15:41:16) ±Game: You are a Blue Right Hand [3]!
    (15:41:16) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! Sometimes you will be able to know and Team Talk with one of the Blue Left Hands. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.
    (15:41:16) ±Game: You have 3HP!
    (15:41:16) ±Game: The Blue Right Hand [3] is obey to kyubey!
    (15:41:16) No one died! :
    (15:41:16) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:16) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [3], Red Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [3].
    (15:41:16) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Yuzuki Kanra, obey to kyubey.
    (15:41:16) ±Current Team: Blue Right Hand [3]
    (15:41:16) ±Time: Day 1
    (15:41:16) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (15:41:16) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:17) obey to kyubey: this way people can vote more easily on RPS
    (15:41:19) PirateKingLuffy: lol yeah
    (15:41:30) PirateKingLuffy: obey did you create this theme?
    (15:41:35) obey to kyubey: Yeah
    (15:41:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:36) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [3], Red Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [3].
    (15:41:36) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Yuzuki Kanra, obey to kyubey.
    (15:41:36) ±Current Team: Blue Right Hand [3]
    (15:41:36) ±Time: Day 1
    (15:41:36) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:41:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:41) obey to kyubey: Together with Joeypals
    (15:41:41) PirateKingLuffy: Nice man
    (15:41:46) PirateKingLuffy: thumbs Up
    (15:42:00) PirateKingLuffy: I love this theme
    (15:42:02) obey to kyubey: anyway i am Blue and PirateKingLuffy is Yellow
    (15:42:04) obey to kyubey: XD
    (15:42:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:06) Times Up! :
    (15:42:06) No one was voted off!:
    (15:42:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:06) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [3], Red Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [3].
    (15:42:06) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Yuzuki Kanra, obey to kyubey.
    (15:42:06) ±Current Team: Blue Right Hand [3]
    (15:42:06) ±Time: Night 2
    (15:42:06) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:42:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:08) PirateKingLuffy: yeah
    (15:42:23) ±Game: You have chosen to paper PirateKingLuffy!
    (15:42:33) obey to kyubey: Feel the wrath of my piece of paper
    (15:42:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:36) Times Up! :
    (15:42:36) ±Game: You wrapped a Rock! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.
    (15:42:36) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (15:42:36) ±Game: You are a Blue Right Hand [3]!
    (15:42:36) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! Sometimes you will be able to know and Team Talk with one of the Blue Left Hands. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.
    (15:42:36) ±Game: You have 3HP!
    (15:42:36) ±Game: The Blue Right Hand [3] is obey to kyubey!
    (15:42:36) No one died! :
    (15:42:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:36) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [3], Red Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [1].
    (15:42:36) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Yuzuki Kanra, obey to kyubey.
    (15:42:36) ±Current Team: Blue Right Hand [3]
    (15:42:36) ±Time: Day 2
    (15:42:36) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (15:42:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:45) PirateKingLuffy: awww
    (15:42:50) PirateKingLuffy: yuzu lets get obey
    (15:42:55) Yuzuki Kanra: ok
    (15:42:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:56) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [3], Red Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [1].
    (15:42:56) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Yuzuki Kanra, obey to kyubey.
    (15:42:56) ±Current Team: Blue Right Hand [3]
    (15:42:56) ±Time: Day 2
    (15:42:56) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:42:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:56) PirateKingLuffy: he has 3 points
    (15:42:57) obey to kyubey: Damn
    (15:43:01) PirateKingLuffy: we have 1 each
    (15:43:06) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for obey to kyubey!
    (15:43:07) ±Game: Yuzuki Kanra voted for obey to kyubey!
    (15:43:09) obey to kyubey: I have a vote power of 10000
    (15:43:12) PirateKingLuffy: lol
    (15:43:13) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (15:43:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:43:14) Times Up! :
    (15:43:14) ±Foot: obey to kyubey (Blue Right Hand [3]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (15:43:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:43:14) ±Current Roles: Red Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [1].
    (15:43:14) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Yuzuki Kanra.
    (15:43:14) ±Time: Night 3
    (15:43:14) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:43:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:43:20) Yuzuki Kanra: well
    (15:43:32) PirateKingLuffy: ik this is tough
    (15:43:44) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:43:44) Times Up! :
    (15:43:44) ±Foot: PirateKingLuffy (Yellow Right Hand) was eliminated!
    (15:43:44) ±Foot: Yuzuki Kanra (Red Right Hand) was eliminated!
    (15:43:44) ±Foot: Sometimes life is a giant draw, just like this game. Sorry guys!
    (15:43:44) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:43:48) PirateKingLuffy: lol
    (15:43:49) obey to kyubey: Lol draw
    (15:43:52) PirateKingLuffy: yeah
    (15:43:55) Yuzuki Kanra: :o
    (15:44:03) PirateKingLuffy: it was fun
    (15:44:06) Yuzuki Kanra: gg
    (15:44:10) PirateKingLuffy: g guys
    (15:44:12) PirateKingLuffy: gg*
    (15:44:28) obey to kyubey: gg to you guys, maybe i shouldn't have revealed what was my color XP
    (15:44:33) PirateKingLuffy: yeah
    (15:44:35) LightsOut: Meh. I can't believe I missed RPS. ;_;
    (15:44:41) PirateKingLuffy: again
    And Here a talkative 13 players game, it endured 10 minutes should i raise the Gray Hand vote power to 1.5 and remove the recharge from their /kill and /protect abilities maybe?
    Anyway I don't know who coded the deadtalk if Fuzzy Or IceKirby but thanks, it was hilarious to talk with the other dead players of who would win during the game.
    (17:26:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:26:29) Times Up! :
    (17:26:29) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (17:26:29) ±Game: You are a Yellow Left Hand [5]!
    (17:26:29) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! Sometimes you will be able to know and Team Talk with one of the Yellow Right Hands. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.
    (17:26:29) ±Game: You have 5HP!
    (17:26:29) ±Game: The Yellow Left Hand [5] is obey to kyubey!
    (17:26:29) ±Game: The Yellow Right Hand [5] is White Kyurem!
    (17:26:29) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Gray Hand [5], Red Left Hand [5], Red Left Hand [5], Red Right Hand [5], Red Right Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [5].
    (17:26:29) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Nitrogen, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, miku96, obey to kyubey, xXLucasXx.
    (17:26:29) ±Current Team: Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Left Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [5], Yellow Right Hand [5]
    (17:26:29) ±Time: Night 1
    (17:26:29) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (17:26:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:26:31) PirateKingLuffy: or see us
    (17:26:33) Nitrogen: so you can break the rule deadtalk if you chat in deadtalk chat
    (17:26:44) ±Game: Your partner (White Kyurem) has decided to rock 'Hydrolphin'!
    (17:26:45) obey to kyubey: [Team] hi White Kyurem my partner
    (17:26:52) ±Game: You have chosen to paper Yuzuki Kanra!
    (17:27:00) PirateKingLuffy: yeah
    (17:27:02) White Kyurem: [Team] yo obey to kyubey how is it left yellow?
    (17:27:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:27:09) Times Up! :
    (17:27:09) ±Foot: miku96 (Red Right Hand [5]) was eliminated!
    (17:27:09) ±Game: Another piece of Paper attacked you! You received 1 point of damage.
    (17:27:09) ±Game: Your target was Paper too! You dealt 1 point of damage to them.
    (17:27:09) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (17:27:09) ±Game: You are a Yellow Left Hand [4]!
    (17:27:09) ±Game: Fight the enemy hands to become the Rock-Paper-Scissors champion! Sometimes you will be able to know and Team Talk with one of the Yellow Right Hands. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.
    (17:27:09) ±Game: You have 4HP!
    (17:27:09) ±Game: The Yellow Left Hand [4] is obey to kyubey!
    (17:27:09) ±Game: The Yellow Right Hand [5] is White Kyurem!
    (17:27:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:27:09) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Gray Hand [1], Red Left Hand [5], Red Left Hand [5], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [4], Yellow Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [5].
    (17:27:09) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Nitrogen, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, obey to kyubey, xXLucasXx.
    (17:27:09) ±Current Team: Yellow Left Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [4], Yellow Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [5]
    (17:27:09) ±Time: Day 1
    (17:27:09) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:27:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:27:10) Yuzuki Kanra: sounds legit
    (17:27:24) PirateKingLuffy: aww 2 target on me
    (17:27:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:27:29) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Gray Hand [1], Red Left Hand [5], Red Left Hand [5], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [4], Yellow Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [5].
    (17:27:29) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Nitrogen, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, obey to kyubey, xXLucasXx.
    (17:27:29) ±Current Team: Yellow Left Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [4], Yellow Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [5]
    (17:27:29) ±Time: Day 1
    (17:27:29) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:27:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:27:43) obey to kyubey: [Team] nothing much, i feel like a piece of paper, but i guess that to be a right yellow rocks ! XD
    (17:27:44) LightsOut: So Pirate is Yellow Right.
    (17:27:45) ±Game: Keeper of Night voted for obey to kyubey!
    (17:27:49) Keeper of Night: rand here we go
    (17:27:50) ±Game: Hydrolphin voted for obey to kyubey!
    (17:27:54) ±Game: LightsOut voted for obey to kyubey!
    (17:27:55) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for obey to kyubey!
    (17:27:55) ±Game: Yuzuki Kanra voted for obey to kyubey!
    (17:27:56) ±Game: Nitrogen voted for Keeper of Night!
    (17:27:58) LightsOut: MA hate. :O
    (17:28:00) ±Game: Takumi Fujiwara voted for obey to kyubey!
    (17:28:03) PirateKingLuffy: dont rveal me
    (17:28:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:28:08) Times Up! :
    (17:28:08) ±Foot: obey to kyubey (Yellow Left Hand [4]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (17:28:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:28:08) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Gray Hand [1], Red Left Hand [5], Red Left Hand [5], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [4], Yellow Right Hand [1], Yellow Right Hand [5].
    (17:28:08) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Nitrogen, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:28:08) ±Time: Night 2
    (17:28:08) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:28:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:28:08) ±Game: You can only vote during the voting phase!
    (17:28:11) PirateKingLuffy: damn
    (17:28:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:28:38) Times Up! :
    (17:28:38) ±Foot: Nitrogen (Yellow Right Hand) was eliminated!
    (17:28:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:28:38) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Gray Hand [1], Red Left Hand [3], Red Left Hand [4], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [3], Yellow Right Hand [3].
    (17:28:38) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:28:38) ±Time: Day 2
    (17:28:38) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:28:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:28:44) PirateKingLuffy: :(
    (17:28:53) Leslie Chow: ok
    (17:28:56) Yuzuki Kanra: :/
    (17:28:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:28:58) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Gray Hand [1], Red Left Hand [3], Red Left Hand [4], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [3], Yellow Right Hand [3].
    (17:28:58) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:28:58) ±Time: Day 2
    (17:28:58) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:28:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:28:58) Hydrolphin: pirate is gray hand
    (17:29:00) Leslie Chow: It's PirateKingLuffy
    (17:29:03) ±Game: Hydrolphin voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (17:29:05) ±Game: LightsOut voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (17:29:06) PirateKingLuffy: i will help yellow
    (17:29:07) ±Game: Leslie Chow voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (17:29:09) ±Game: White Kyurem voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (17:29:10) ±Game: Keeper of Night voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (17:29:10) ±Game: Yuzuki Kanra voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (17:29:11) PirateKingLuffy: yelow vote tohers
    (17:29:13) Leslie Chow: LOL
    (17:29:17) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for Yuzuki Kanra!
    (17:29:18) ±Game: Takumi Fujiwara voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (17:29:19) LightsOut: We like a colourful world, not greyscale.
    (17:29:20) miku96: [Dead] ?
    (17:29:23) Yuzuki Kanra: :/
    (17:29:24) PirateKingLuffy: light is baddie
    (17:29:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:29:28) Times Up! :
    (17:29:28) ±Foot: PirateKingLuffy (Gray Hand [1]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (17:29:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:29:28) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [5], Red Left Hand [3], Red Left Hand [4], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [3], Yellow Right Hand [3].
    (17:29:28) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:29:28) ±Time: Night 3
    (17:29:28) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:29:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:29:28) LightsOut: :O
    (17:29:29) obey to kyubey: [Dead] waoh Blue Hands are still full HP
    (17:29:34) LightsOut: We're all baddies 'ere
    (17:29:36) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] hey guys
    (17:29:36) Keeper of Night: "bad"
    (17:29:38) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] i'm back
    (17:29:41) miku96: [Dead] lol
    (17:29:44) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] yeah
    (17:29:45) miku96: [Dead] im the 1st to die
    (17:29:47) Nitrogen: [Dead] too bad in deadtalk bots dont work
    (17:29:47) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] light is blue
    (17:29:48) miku96: [Dead] again and again
    (17:29:50) Nitrogen: [Dead] same for teamtalk
    (17:29:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:29:58) Times Up! :
    (17:29:58) No one died! :
    (17:29:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:29:58) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [3], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3], Blue Right Hand [5], Red Left Hand [3], Red Left Hand [4], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [3], Yellow Right Hand [3].
    (17:29:58) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:29:58) ±Time: Day 3
    (17:29:58) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:29:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:30:16) Yuzuki Kanra: hmm
    (17:30:16) ±Dratini: ‡Not A Mod was mysteriously kicked by Draciel!
    (17:30:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:30:18) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [3], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3], Blue Right Hand [5], Red Left Hand [3], Red Left Hand [4], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [3], Yellow Right Hand [3].
    (17:30:18) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:30:18) ±Time: Day 3
    (17:30:18) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:30:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:30:27) obey to kyubey: [Dead] damn now without Gray hand the game will be pretty long
    (17:30:31) ±Game: Keeper of Night voted for White Kyurem!
    (17:30:34) Keeper of Night: ok
    (17:30:35) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] yeah
    (17:30:35) ±Game: White Kyurem voted for Keeper of Night!
    (17:30:37) ±Game: Trainer Aegis voted for White Kyurem!
    (17:30:38) ±Game: LightsOut voted for White Kyurem!
    (17:30:39) ±Game: Hydrolphin voted for White Kyurem!
    (17:30:41) LightsOut: Because why not>?
    (17:30:43) LightsOut: XD
    (17:30:43) ±Game: Yuzuki Kanra voted for White Kyurem!
    (17:30:43) ±Game: Takumi Fujiwara voted for White Kyurem!
    (17:30:51) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:30:51) Times Up! :
    (17:30:51) ±Foot: White Kyurem (Yellow Right Hand [3]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (17:30:51) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:30:51) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [3], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3], Blue Right Hand [5], Red Left Hand [3], Red Left Hand [4], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [3].
    (17:30:51) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:30:51) ±Time: Night 4
    (17:30:51) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:30:51) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:30:51) Yuzuki Kanra: :)
    (17:31:00) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] kyurem is battling
    (17:31:21) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:31:21) Times Up! :
    (17:31:21) No one died! :
    (17:31:21) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:31:21) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [1], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Left Hand [3], Red Left Hand [4], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [2].
    (17:31:21) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:31:21) ±Time: Day 4
    (17:31:21) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:31:21) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:31:28) White Kyurem: [Dead] yeah
    (17:31:33) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] welcome home
    (17:31:38) Leslie Chow: it's Hydrolphin
    (17:31:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:31:41) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [1], Blue Left Hand [5], Blue Right Hand [3], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Left Hand [3], Red Left Hand [4], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [2].
    (17:31:41) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Leslie Chow, LightsOut, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:31:41) ±Time: Day 4
    (17:31:41) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:31:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:31:43) Hydrolphin: wtf?
    (17:31:50) ±Game: Hydrolphin voted for Leslie Chow!
    (17:31:53) Hydrolphin: what am i?
    (17:32:08) Keeper of Night: no 'bads' left, js
    (17:32:09) ±Game: Leslie Chow voted for Hydrolphin!
    (17:32:11) ±Game: Keeper of Night voted for Leslie Chow!
    (17:32:15) Leslie Chow: gdi
    (17:32:15) ±Game: LightsOut voted for Leslie Chow!
    (17:32:15) ±Game: Yuzuki Kanra voted for Leslie Chow!
    (17:32:21) ±Game: Takumi Fujiwara voted for Leslie Chow!
    (17:32:24) Hydrolphin: serves you right.
    (17:32:24) Keeper of Night: just all different teams
    (17:32:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:32:28) Times Up! :
    (17:32:28) ±Foot: Leslie Chow (Blue Left Hand [5]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (17:32:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:32:28) ±Current Roles: Blue Left Hand [1], Blue Right Hand [3], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Left Hand [3], Red Left Hand [4], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [2].
    (17:32:28) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, LightsOut, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:32:28) ±Time: Night 5
    (17:32:28) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:32:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:32:28) LightsOut: Yellow is teh baddie now.
    (17:32:41) Keeper of Night: lol
    (17:32:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:32:58) Times Up! :
    (17:32:58) ±Foot: LightsOut (Blue Left Hand) was eliminated!
    (17:32:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:32:58) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [3], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Left Hand [1], Red Left Hand [2], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [1].
    (17:32:58) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:32:58) ±Time: Day 5
    (17:32:58) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:32:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:33:15) Yuzuki Kanra: hmm
    (17:33:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:33:18) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [3], Blue Right Hand [3], Red Left Hand [1], Red Left Hand [2], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [1].
    (17:33:18) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra, xXLucasXx.
    (17:33:18) ±Time: Day 5
    (17:33:18) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:33:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:33:23) ±Game: Keeper of Night voted for xXLucasXx!
    (17:33:29) obey to kyubey: [Dead] waoh Red Hands are taking back the game fronm blue hands
    (17:33:30) ±Game: Hydrolphin voted for xXLucasXx!
    (17:33:32) ±Game: Takumi Fujiwara voted for xXLucasXx!
    (17:33:33) ±Dratini: EnderWolves was mysteriously kicked by Winter!
    (17:33:34) ±Game: Yuzuki Kanra voted for xXLucasXx!
    (17:33:34) miku96: [Dead] yup
    (17:33:38) ±Game: Trainer Aegis voted for xXLucasXx!
    (17:33:39) xXLucasXx: lol
    (17:33:46) xXLucasXx: i wanted this
    (17:33:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:33:48) Times Up! :
    (17:33:48) ±Foot: xXLucasXx (Blue Right Hand [3]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (17:33:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:33:48) ±Current Roles: Blue Right Hand [3], Red Left Hand [1], Red Left Hand [2], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [1].
    (17:33:48) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Takumi Fujiwara, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra.
    (17:33:48) ±Time: Night 6
    (17:33:48) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:33:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:33:50) Hydrolphin: inb4 yellow or red
    (17:33:54) Hydrolphin: or not...
    (17:33:54) White Kyurem: [Dead] red comeback
    (17:33:54) xXLucasXx: [Dead] hsjsb
    (17:33:59) Takumi Fujiwara: nooo
    (17:34:14) miku96: [Dead] everyone aimed at me at the 1st night
    (17:34:17) miku96: [Dead] -_-
    (17:34:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:34:18) Times Up! :
    (17:34:18) ±Foot: Takumi Fujiwara (Blue Right Hand) was eliminated!
    (17:34:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:34:18) ±Current Roles: Red Left Hand [1], Red Left Hand [1], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [1].
    (17:34:18) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra.
    (17:34:18) ±Time: Day 6
    (17:34:18) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:34:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:34:26) Keeper of Night: right
    (17:34:27) obey to kyubey: [Dead] Go Last Yellow win for your team
    (17:34:35) miku96: [Dead] lol
    (17:34:37) Keeper of Night: who else is red?
    (17:34:38) Hydrolphin: red leftie here
    (17:34:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:34:38) ±Current Roles: Red Left Hand [1], Red Left Hand [1], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [1].
    (17:34:38) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra.
    (17:34:38) ±Time: Day 6
    (17:34:38) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:34:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:34:38) Yuzuki Kanra: who's right?
    (17:34:40) White Kyurem: [Dead] GO TEAM YELLOQ
    (17:34:41) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] get yellow next
    (17:34:42) White Kyurem: [Dead] *W
    (17:34:46) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] lol
    (17:34:49) ±Game: Hydrolphin voted for Trainer Aegis!
    (17:34:51) Hydrolphin: too quiet
    (17:34:52) Keeper of Night: ok...
    (17:35:01) ±Game: Keeper of Night voted for Hydrolphin!
    (17:35:02) miku96: [Dead] go red go go go
    (17:35:06) Hydrolphin: wtf?
    (17:35:06) Keeper of Night: tie
    (17:35:07) PirateKingLuffy: [Dead] lol
    (17:35:07) Keeper of Night: nv
    (17:35:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:35:09) Times Up! :
    (17:35:09) No one was voted off!:
    (17:35:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:35:09) ±Current Roles: Red Left Hand [1], Red Left Hand [1], Red Right Hand [4], Yellow Left Hand [1].
    (17:35:09) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Keeper of Night, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra.
    (17:35:09) ±Time: Night 7
    (17:35:09) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:35:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:35:09) Hydrolphin: oh ok
    (17:35:12) White Kyurem: [Dead] GO TEAM YELLOW
    (17:35:16) Yuzuki Kanra: well then
    (17:35:22) Keeper of Night: is that 3 left claims?
    (17:35:35) LightsOut: [Dead] RED. DIE.
    (17:35:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:35:39) Times Up! :
    (17:35:39) ±Foot: Keeper of Night (Red Left Hand) was eliminated!
    (17:35:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:35:39) ±Current Roles: Red Left Hand [1], Red Right Hand [2], Yellow Left Hand [1].
    (17:35:39) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra.
    (17:35:39) ±Time: Day 7
    (17:35:39) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:35:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:35:50) obey to kyubey: [Dead] Yeeeeeh
    (17:35:51) miku96: [Dead] -_-
    (17:35:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:35:59) ±Current Roles: Red Left Hand [1], Red Right Hand [2], Yellow Left Hand [1].
    (17:35:59) ±Current Players: Hydrolphin, Trainer Aegis, Yuzuki Kanra.
    (17:35:59) ±Time: Day 7
    (17:35:59) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:35:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:36:01) Yuzuki Kanra: so it was you
    (17:36:02) Hydrolphin: ok trainer is def yellow now
    (17:36:10) ±Game: Yuzuki Kanra voted for Hydrolphin!
    (17:36:13) Keeper of Night: [Dead] *facepalm*
    (17:36:14) Hydrolphin: he blocked my attack
    (17:36:17) ±Game: Hydrolphin voted for Yuzuki Kanra!
    (17:36:21) Hydrolphin: wtf yuzuki?
    (17:36:22) ±Game: Trainer Aegis voted for Hydrolphin!
    (17:36:23) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:36:23) Times Up! :
    (17:36:23) ±Foot: Hydrolphin (Yellow Left Hand [1]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (17:36:23) ±Foot: With fiery determination, the Red Hands Yuzuki Kanra and Trainer Aegis lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!
    (17:36:23) ***************************************************************************************
     
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  15. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Yeah, I don't think recharge is needed. Maybe you could keep it so Grey can only use 1 action per night, but with no recharge.
    And extra votes would be useful too, but it would be better as integer, as those .5 will only make things confusing.

    It was me, but I'd prefer if you called it Dead Chat or something like that so people won't confuse it with the deadtalk infrigiment.
    And yes, that thing is awesome. It will probably be even better if we get 25+ games again.

    Edit: More logs:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/cdebynajw02g0at/RPS_2014.05.07_23.07.txt
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6c5breowrfujd0h/RPS_2014.05.08_21.28.txt
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/z2nbnju7m2gnfap/RPS_2014.05.08_22.04.txt
     
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  16. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Seems that the theme has been disabled, so I will safely assume that the testing period is over.

    Final thoughts:

    I find this theme very strategic and fun, and while it isn't too much of mafia, it is still really fun. While there isn't much talking, I can really compare this to an actual theme of RPS. You have to think of what your target might use next, while at the same time try to find your confirmed teammates. An example would be like this: if my opponent used paper and I used scissors, then I could assume they will use scissors predicting me to use paper, since I could predict them going for paper predicting me to go for rock, but at the same time my opponent could have assumed this, therefore I have to use rock, but at the same time they may use paper predicting my prediction, and etc. I love this feeling: assumptions, predictions, and outcomes. Only thing I would suggest is maybe making the night phase a bit longer so players could have some more time to strategize?

    All in all, I really like this theme and enjoy playing it. It's both fun and exciting while at the same also requires some brains. Approve [1]
     
  17. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Maybe it was disabled because it was peak time.
    Or not, but anyway, we just got a 11-players game: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5TdU8pqz (Pastebin for once because I was fixing my script)
    This game had communication, although it took a while to begin, including people bluffing (actually failing) by accusing someone else as Gray.
    Also, this game had a really cool Dead Chat going on. People talking a lot about the game is usually a good sign.
     
  18. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Ah, I see. Well, I already gave my final thoughts, so my approval will stay as it is.
     
  19. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Log with the village format: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0m46d2ehsyrajkt/RPS_2014.05.09_21.29.txt
    IMO, it may work, but it would be criminal to not have the faction-based setup too. It would also be weird to have the setup changing all the time.
    BRB making a campaign to have both versions on the server.

    EDIT: I re-organized my Dropbox folder, so the links I posted previously are probably dead. Find the logs here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8xkqgxry45m9sv0/AACk_l3G_78pW-0uBu0Oyk9Ka/RPS

    Edit 2: More (even if it can already be found on the link above):
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/f713p4s9ys9tpdl/RPS_2014.05.09_22.27.txt
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/zh6h9d0v6uz5ipm/RPS_2014.05.09_23.30.txt
     
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  20. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    I found a mistake in your script.

    (18:24:32) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:24:32) Times Up! :
    (18:24:32) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (18:24:32) ±Game:
    You are a Green Hand [3]!
    (18:24:32) ±Game: Your team have less Health Points then the other teams but you are more numerous. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.
    (18:24:32) ±Game: You have 3HP!
    (18:24:32) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:24:32) ±Current Players: Beowulf., FreedomKnight, Keeper of Night, Miki Sayaka, Pangaea, RiceKirby, Trainer Joe.
    (18:24:32) ±Current Team: Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3]
    (18:24:32) ±Time: Night 1
    (18:24:32) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (18:24:32) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:24:38) EmilyTheVulpix left the channel.
    (18:24:53) Miki Sayaka: going paper
    (18:24:56) IronStorm forfeited against .
    (18:24:56) ±Game: You have chosen to rock RiceKirby!
    (18:24:58) XY NU battle between IronStorm and y02 started.
    (18:25:00) FreedomKnight: [Тeam] scissoring miki :D
    (18:25:07) A Random Llama and tied.
    (18:25:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:25:12) Times Up! :
    (18:25:12) ±Foot:
    Miki Sayaka (Green Rock) was eliminated!
    (18:25:12) ±Game: You smashed a pair of Scissors! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.
    (18:25:12) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (18:25:12) ±Game: You are a Green Hand [3]!
    (18:25:12) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (18:25:12) ±Game: You have 3HP!
    (18:25:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:25:12) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:25:12) ±Current Players: Beowulf., FreedomKnight, Keeper of Night, Pangaea, RiceKirby, Trainer Joe.
    (18:25:12) ±Current Team: Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3]
    (18:25:12) ±Time: Day 1
    (18:25:12) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (18:25:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:25:27) ±CommandBot: The command tt doesn't exist
    (18:25:32) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:25:32) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:25:32) ±Current Players: Beowulf., FreedomKnight, Keeper of Night, Pangaea, RiceKirby, Trainer Joe.
    (18:25:32) ±Current Team: Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3]
    (18:25:32) ±Time: Day 1
    (18:25:32) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:25:32) ***************************************************************************************

    One of my teammates was able to talk to me with /tt, yet I wasn't able to and I didn't know who my teammate was from the start. Is this supposed to happen, because if it is then it should fixed, green could connect with me.
     
  21. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    He was not your teammate. He was Mafia (my teammate), and he was faking Team Talk.
     
  22. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    So I see...smart play.
     
  23. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ok Guys , this is important for everyone that is reviewing this theme:
    as some of you know there is a new section on Mafia Review Themer Guidelines / Posting Guidelines that talks about not classic mafia themes.
    On this new section it says this about Free-for-all themes:
    This is something that will not be accepted in Mafia. A theme should not have every player trying to kill most/all other players.
    Now, I personally do not think that RPS is a Free-for-all theme like vepix, because it doesn't kill directly their targets and there is an actual strategy and permits a certain level of bluffing and connection, but from what I see there is at least one QC that thinks this way, anyway because I don't want the theme declined as a mindless kill-fest, I am trying different new setups, so when the test will be over let me know what would be better to choose, or if it would be better to have some of them together with the spawn packs. ^^
    For now i am testing the Green vs Violet Setup with Green Hands as pseudo village:
    There are only 3 teams and type of roles:
    Green Hands: They are numerous but are not connected and have few HP. The village of the setup.
    Violet Hands: They are less numerous but are connected and have more HP. The mafia of the setup.
    Gray Hand: It's always the same like the previous one, just a little empowered because before was a little weak. The kefka/werewolf of the setup.
    The only problem with this new setups is that it will be more difficult to judge the balance.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2014
  24. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Despite there being a large amount of green hands I find them a bit UP. Unconnected and only 3HP isn't too good but then again if they were connected they would obviously be OP. Another thing I should note is that you can find a mafia based on the amount of HP they lose, for example I found a violet by making a good hit and having them lose -2 HP, all I had to do was check the amount of HP each role still had.

    One thing though is that two good hits or one good hit and a neutral hit results in death for the green hand, and being connected means the violets can work together to target an opponent by going rock/paper, rock/scissors, or paper/scissors on one person, which will guarantee in the opponent losing damage. 2/3 of the time their target will die, since you can either get two good hits or one good hit and a neutral hit. And you don't always have to choose a different action to use on a target, two violets could both use scissors based on strategy, and if they happen to hit a paper then the paper dies. The only time the 1/3 will be met is if a good hit and a bad hit are made, or a neutral hit and a bad hit are made, since bad hits don't result in any damage and neutral hits (paper vs paper) only do 1 damage. So in a way it's sorta like 2/4, meaning a 50% of death for the green hands.

    The large amount of green hands does make up for that but they are kind of scattered when unconnected, so they could end up hitting each other. And then there's the gray hand, which I guess balances this out by keeping violet from getting OP, but we'll just have to wait for some more logs.
     
  25. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    All of that can be easily explained if you notice it's a Village vs Mafia setup.
    So what if most of the time the Violet will get a kill? In other themes, they get a 100% kill.
    There are no inspectors, so there's no problem with Green being able to find other players by the HP changes. By the same logic, mafia could always bluff, and you have to remember that often more than 1 player will lose HP, so it's not 100% guaranteed you will get some useful information.

    In the games I played on this setup, village lost because they simply didn't do anything. In one of the games, I was the only person to even use an attack N1.

    BTW, I think Violet could have 5 HP on 7-players game instead of 6. Don't know about other sizes, I only played that :x
     
  26. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    I didn't say that, I said that's a way that balances out the setup, so I agree with you there, and pretty much all other points you made, including the Violet 5HP setup.
     
  27. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Oh, I thought you meant that was a problem.
    Yeah, that is how players can get information on this theme, and it works both for the village and for the factions setup. It should get even better when people get used to it.
     
  28. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Damn, green hands have a serious difficulty problem to win, maybe is because they die too soon to connect, I will try to raise their HP to 4.
    (17:08:21) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:08:21) Times Up! :
    (17:08:21) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (17:08:21) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:08:21) ±Current Players: Cal., Leukemia, Pangaea, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, White Kyurem, WinRAR1.0, Yuzuki Kanra.
    (17:08:21) ±Time: Night 1
    (17:08:21) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (17:08:21) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:08:25) Yuzuki Kanra: hey whitr
    (17:08:28) PirateKingLuffy: oh my bad
    (17:08:30) Yuzuki Kanra: *white
    (17:08:32) White Kyurem: hi
    (17:08:38) PirateKingLuffy: hi kyurem
    (17:08:48) White Kyurem: hey luffy
    (17:09:00) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:09:00) Times Up! :
    (17:09:00) ±Foot: Yuzuki Kanra (Green Rock) was eliminated!
    (17:09:00) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:09:00) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:09:00) ±Current Players: Cal., Leukemia, Pangaea, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, White Kyurem, WinRAR1.0.
    (17:09:00) ±Time: Day 1
    (17:09:00) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:09:00) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:09:04) PirateKingLuffy: wait
    (17:09:10) PirateKingLuffy: why is violet 5?
    (17:09:13) WinRAR1.0: bad night
    (17:09:15) WinRAR1.0: very bad
    (17:09:15) PirateKingLuffy: everythign else 3
    (17:09:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:09:19) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:09:19) ±Current Players: Cal., Leukemia, Pangaea, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, White Kyurem, WinRAR1.0.
    (17:09:19) ±Time: Day 1
    (17:09:19) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:09:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:09:25) WinRAR1.0: idk
    (17:09:33) PirateKingLuffy: that seems no fair
    (17:09:39) WinRAR1.0: it would make more sence to let gray have 5
    (17:09:42) WinRAR1.0: and violet 3/4
    (17:09:45) PirateKingLuffy: yeah
    (17:09:49) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:09:49) Times Up! :
    (17:09:49) No one was voted off!:
    (17:09:49) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:09:49) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:09:49) ±Current Players: Cal., Leukemia, Pangaea, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, White Kyurem, WinRAR1.0.
    (17:09:49) ±Time: Night 2
    (17:09:49) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:09:49) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:10:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:10:19) Times Up! :
    (17:10:19) ±Foot: White Kyurem (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (17:10:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:10:19) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:10:19) ±Current Players: Cal., Leukemia, Pangaea, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, WinRAR1.0.
    (17:10:19) ±Time: Day 2
    (17:10:19) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:10:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:10:31) WinRAR1.0: so...
    (17:10:34) PirateKingLuffy: what green become 3 from 2
    (17:10:35) WinRAR1.0: who hit violet?
    (17:10:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:10:39) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:10:39) ±Current Players: Cal., Leukemia, Pangaea, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, WinRAR1.0.
    (17:10:39) ±Time: Day 2
    (17:10:39) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:10:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:10:42) Pangaea: somebody hit violet
    (17:10:43) Cal.: i think i did on leukemia
    (17:10:45) PirateKingLuffy: that would be me
    (17:10:47) ±Game: WinRAR1.0 voted for Leukemia!
    (17:10:52) ±Game: Cal. voted for Leukemia!
    (17:10:56) ±Game: Leukemia voted for WinRAR1.0!
    (17:10:59) ±Game: Pangaea voted for Leukemia!
    (17:11:06) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for Leukemia!
    (17:11:08) ±Game: Takumi F voted for Leukemia!
    (17:11:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:11:09) Times Up! :
    (17:11:09) ±Foot: Leukemia (Violet Hand [3]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (17:11:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:11:09) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:11:09) ±Current Players: Cal., Pangaea, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, WinRAR1.0.
    (17:11:09) ±Time: Night 3
    (17:11:09) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:11:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:11:12) Cal.: noice
    (17:11:12) PirateKingLuffy: pro
    (17:11:19) PirateKingLuffy: gray and voila left
    (17:11:38) WinRAR1.0: Takumi F scum in my eyes
    (17:11:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:11:39) Times Up! :
    (17:11:39) ±Foot: Cal. (Green Paper) was eliminated!
    (17:11:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:11:39) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [1], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:11:39) ±Current Players: Pangaea, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, WinRAR1.0.
    (17:11:39) ±Time: Day 3
    (17:11:39) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:11:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:11:40) WinRAR1.0: could be wrong
    (17:11:46) WinRAR1.0: halp
    (17:11:50) WinRAR1.0: 1 health
    (17:11:51) PirateKingLuffy: we need to get gray
    (17:11:51) WinRAR1.0: halp
    (17:11:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:11:59) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [3], Green Hand [1], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:11:59) ±Current Players: Pangaea, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, WinRAR1.0.
    (17:11:59) ±Time: Day 3
    (17:11:59) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:11:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:12:10) ±Game: WinRAR1.0 voted for Pangaea!
    (17:12:14) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for Pangaea!
    (17:12:15) WinRAR1.0: that would be that one i guess
    (17:12:16) ±Game: Pangaea voted for WinRAR1.0!
    (17:12:21) PirateKingLuffy: he did shield
    (17:12:27) ±Game: Takumi F voted for Pangaea!
    (17:12:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:12:28) Times Up! :
    (17:12:28) ±Foot: Pangaea (Gray Hand [3]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (17:12:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:12:28) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [1], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:12:28) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, WinRAR1.0.
    (17:12:28) ±Time: Night 4
    (17:12:28) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:12:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:12:30) WinRAR1.0: woosh
    (17:12:34) WinRAR1.0: so hi Takumi F
    (17:12:34) PirateKingLuffy: i was on him
    (17:12:37) PirateKingLuffy: last green ehre
    (17:12:44) WinRAR1.0: there are 2
    (17:12:45) WinRAR1.0: ...
    (17:12:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:12:58) Times Up! :
    (17:12:58) ±Foot: WinRAR1.0 (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (17:12:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:12:58) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [1], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:12:58) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F.
    (17:12:58) ±Time: Day 4
    (17:12:58) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (17:12:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:13:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:13:18) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [1], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:13:18) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F.
    (17:13:18) ±Time: Day 4
    (17:13:18) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:13:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:13:27) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for Takumi F!
    (17:13:29) ±Game: Takumi F voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (17:13:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:13:30) Times Up! :
    (17:13:30) No one was voted off!:
    (17:13:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:13:30) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [1], Violet Hand [5].
    (17:13:30) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F.
    (17:13:30) ±Time: Night 5
    (17:13:30) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (17:13:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:14:00) ***************************************************************************************
    (17:14:00) Times Up! :
    (17:14:00) ±Foot: Takumi F (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (17:14:00) ±Foot: With the power of brute force, the Violet Hands PirateKingLuffy lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!
    (17:14:00) ***************************************************************************************
    Well at least there is a good side on this problem, at least I can show to @Roild that the hands when get connect and coordinate between each others like the Violet Hands, have more chance to win even against the more numerous teams like the green hands.
     
  29. Roild

    Roild Member

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    Can you edit the OP per spawn amount to see when/how green and purple appear?
     
  30. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Oh yeah sure, but I have to warn you that probably the starting HP of the roles could change, I am still trying to find out the right teams balance changing that Healt Points
    List 1 (3~3 players):
    1. █ Red Right Hand [3] (rwhand3)
    2. █ Blue Right Hand [3] (bchand3)
    3. █ Yellow Right Hand [3] (cohand3)

    List 2 (4~4 players):
    1. █ Blue Right Hand [4] (bchand4)
    2. █ Blue Left Hand [4] (mchand4)
    3. █ Red Right Hand [4] (rwhand4)
    4. █ Red Left Hand [4] (owhand4)

    List 3 (5~5 players):
    1. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    2. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    3. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    4. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    5. █ Gray Hand [3] (vvhand3x)

    List 4 (6~7 players):
    1. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    2. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    3. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    4. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    5. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    6. █ Gray Hand [4] (vvhand4x)
    7. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)

    List 5 (8~8 players):
    1. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    2. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    3. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    4. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    5. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    6. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    7. █ Gray Hand [4] (vvhand4x)
    8. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)

    List 6 (9~9 players):
    1. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    2. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    3. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    4. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    5. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    6. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    7. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    8. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    9. █ Gray Hand [4] (vvhand4x)

    List 7 (10~10 players):
    1. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    2. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    3. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    4. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    5. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    6. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    7. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    8. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    9. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    10. █ Gray Hand [4] (vvhand4x)

    List 8 (11~11 players):
    1. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    2. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    3. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    4. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    5. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    6. █ Green Hand [4] (greenhand4x)
    7. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    8. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    9. █ Violet Hand [5] (violethand5x)
    10. █ Gray Hand [3] (vvhand3x)
    11. █ Gray Hand [3] (vvhand3x)

    List 9 (12~13 players):
    1. █ Red Right Hand [5] (rwhand5)
    2. █ Red Left Hand [5] (swhand5)
    3. █ Red Left Hand [5] (owhand5)
    4. █ Red Right Hand [5] (ywhand5)
    5. █ Blue Right Hand [5] (bchand5)
    6. █ Blue Left Hand [5] (gchand5)
    7. █ Blue Right Hand [5] (pchand5)
    8. █ Blue Left Hand [5] (mchand5)
    9. █ Yellow Right Hand [5] (cohand5)
    10. █ Yellow Left Hand [5] (bohand5)
    11. █ Yellow Right Hand [5] (gohand5)
    12. █ Yellow Left Hand [5] (sohand5)
    13. █ Gray Hand [5] (vvhand5x)

    Game Log: Me and Zidane used always 2 different attacks on the same target to be sure to damage him at least a little, as you can see in this game there is discussion about who is bad
    (18:14:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:14:30) Times Up! :
    (18:14:30) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (18:14:30) ±Game: You are a Violet Hand [5]!
    (18:14:30) ±Game: Your team have more Health Points then the other teams but you are less numerous and know your teammates. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.
    (18:14:30) ±Game: You have 5HP!
    (18:14:30) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey (Violet Hand [5]) and Zidane FFIX (Violet Hand [5]).
    (18:14:30) ±Current Roles: Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:14:30) ±Current Players: Bad girl, Kirby Master, Nitrogen, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:14:30) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:14:30) ±Time: Night 1
    (18:14:30) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (18:14:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:14:33) PirateKingLuffy: :P
    (18:14:36) PirateKingLuffy: zid is my teammate
    (18:14:43) PirateKingLuffy: i/m sure
    (18:14:43) obey to kyubey: [Team] hi partner, lets rock both on Kirby Master
    (18:14:48) ±Game: You have chosen to rock Kirby Master!
    (18:14:55) array: what
    (18:14:58) ±Game: Your partner (Zidane FFIX) has decided to scissors 'Kirby Master'!
    (18:15:06) PirateKingLuffy: there is a gray beware
    (18:15:09) array: what if we don't use actions
    (18:15:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:10) Times Up! :
    (18:15:10) ±Foot: Nitrogen (Green Rock) was eliminated!
    (18:15:10) ±Game: You smashed a pair of Scissors! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.
    (18:15:10) ±Foot: Kirby Master (Gray Hand) was eliminated!
    (18:15:10) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (18:15:10) ±Game: You are a Violet Hand [5]!
    (18:15:10) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (18:15:10) ±Game: You have 5HP!
    (18:15:10) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey (Violet Hand [5]) and Zidane FFIX (Violet Scissors).
    (18:15:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:10) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:15:10) ±Current Players: Bad girl, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:15:10) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:15:10) ±Time: Day 1
    (18:15:10) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (18:15:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:15) PirateKingLuffy: yay
    (18:15:17) PirateKingLuffy: gray died
    (18:15:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:30) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:15:30) ±Current Players: Bad girl, PirateKingLuffy, Takumi F, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:15:30) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:15:30) ±Time: Day 1
    (18:15:30) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:15:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:15:37) PirateKingLuffy: violet still ahve 5
    (18:15:38) obey to kyubey: ok randing time
    (18:15:48) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for Takumi F!
    (18:15:49) PirateKingLuffy: plz get violet
    (18:15:56) ±Game: Zidane FFIX voted for Takumi F!
    (18:15:57) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for Takumi F!
    (18:15:58) Bad girl: Piratekingluffy is my teammate
    (18:15:59) array: rip
    (18:16:02) Takumi F: heh
    (18:16:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:05) Times Up! :
    (18:16:05) ±Foot: Takumi F (Green Hand [4]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (18:16:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:05) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:16:05) ±Current Players: Bad girl, PirateKingLuffy, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:16:05) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:16:05) ±Time: Night 2
    (18:16:05) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:16:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:08) PirateKingLuffy: dammit
    (18:16:11) PirateKingLuffy: obey is bad
    (18:16:12) obey to kyubey: Fffffffck
    (18:16:20) obey to kyubey: I let you guys choose the next one
    (18:16:26) ±Game: You have chosen to paper Bad girl!
    (18:16:27) PirateKingLuffy: no
    (18:16:31) ±Game: Your partner (Zidane FFIX) has decided to rock 'Bad girl'!
    (18:16:33) PirateKingLuffy: no more vote
    (18:16:35) PirateKingLuffy: unless surew
    (18:16:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:35) Times Up! :
    (18:16:35) ±Game: Scissors cuts Paper! You received 2 points of damage.
    (18:16:35) ±Game: You wrapped a Rock! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.
    (18:16:35) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (18:16:35) ±Game: You are a Violet Hand [3]!
    (18:16:35) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (18:16:35) ±Game: You have 3HP!
    (18:16:35) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey (Violet Hand [3]) and Zidane FFIX (Violet Rock).
    (18:16:35) ±Foot: Bad girl (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (18:16:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:35) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:16:35) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:16:36) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:16:36) ±Time: Day 2
    (18:16:36) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (18:16:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:44) PirateKingLuffy: well well
    (18:16:51) PirateKingLuffy: obet is violet
    (18:16:55) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:55) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:16:55) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:16:55) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:16:55) ±Time: Day 2
    (18:16:55) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:16:55) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:16:59) PirateKingLuffy: i just dealt him 2 damamge
    (18:17:02) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for obey to kyubey!
    (18:17:06) ±Game: array voted for obey to kyubey!
    (18:17:07) PirateKingLuffy: green follow me
    (18:17:08) obey to kyubey: Nah, I am only a green hand dirty of red
    (18:17:09) array: what's the pointt
    (18:17:11) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for array!
    (18:17:14) ±Game: Zidane FFIX voted for array!
    (18:17:15) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:17:15) Times Up! :
    (18:17:15) No one was voted off!:
    (18:17:15) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:17:15) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:17:15) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:17:15) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:17:15) ±Time: Night 3
    (18:17:15) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:17:15) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:17:17) Zidane FFIX: surprise
    (18:17:21) array: it's at 4
    (18:17:22) PirateKingLuffy: so zid is violet
    (18:17:28) ±Game: You have chosen to paper array!
    (18:17:33) ±Game: Your partner (Zidane FFIX) has decided to rock 'array'!
    (18:17:35) PirateKingLuffy: get them array
    (18:17:39) obey to kyubey: no it's you violet PirateKingLuffy
    (18:17:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:17:45) Times Up! :
    (18:17:45) ±Game: You wrapped a Rock! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.
    (18:17:45) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (18:17:45) ±Game: You are a Violet Hand [3]!
    (18:17:45) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (18:17:45) ±Game: You have 3HP!
    (18:17:45) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey (Violet Hand [3]) and Zidane FFIX (Violet Rock).
    (18:17:45) No one died! :
    (18:17:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:17:45) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [1], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:17:45) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:17:45) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:17:45) ±Time: Day 3
    (18:17:45) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (18:17:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:17:47) PirateKingLuffy: obet abd zid violety
    (18:18:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:18:05) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [1], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:18:05) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:18:05) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:18:05) ±Time: Day 3
    (18:18:05) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:18:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:18:11) obey to kyubey: You are only green of envy Luffy
    (18:18:13) Zidane FFIX: obet abd zid violety
    (18:18:20) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (18:18:23) PirateKingLuffy: obey why so violent?
    (18:18:24) ±Game: Zidane FFIX voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (18:18:27) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for obey to kyubey!
    (18:18:30) PirateKingLuffy: array =tie
    (18:18:33) obey to kyubey: array vote
    (18:18:33) ±Game: array voted for obey to kyubey!
    (18:18:34) PirateKingLuffy: or we lose
    (18:18:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:18:34) Times Up! :
    (18:18:34) No one was voted off!:
    (18:18:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:18:34) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [1], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:18:34) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Zidane FFIX, array, obey to kyubey.
    (18:18:34) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [3], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:18:34) ±Time: Night 4
    (18:18:34) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:18:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:18:35) array: doesn't matter
    (18:18:36) PirateKingLuffy: phew
    (18:18:38) array: i lost
    (18:18:41) PirateKingLuffy: get them
    (18:18:47) obey to kyubey: you can still win array
    (18:18:49) Zidane FFIX: [Team] im jus copying you
    (18:18:54) PirateKingLuffy: get one of them
    (18:18:57) ±Game: You have chosen to scissors array!
    (18:18:58) PirateKingLuffy: obet has 3
    (18:19:02) PirateKingLuffy: get him
    (18:19:02) ±Game: Your partner (Zidane FFIX) has decided to paper 'array'!
    (18:19:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:19:04) Times Up! :
    (18:19:04) ±Game: Another pair of Scissors attacked you! You received 1 point of damage.
    (18:19:04) ±Game: You cut a piece of Paper! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.
    (18:19:04) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (18:19:04) ±Game: You are a Violet Hand [2]!
    (18:19:04) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (18:19:04) ±Game: You have 2HP!
    (18:19:04) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey (Violet Hand [2]) and Zidane FFIX (Violet Paper).
    (18:19:05) ±Foot: array (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (18:19:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:19:05) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [2], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:19:05) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Zidane FFIX, obey to kyubey.
    (18:19:05) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [2], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:19:05) ±Time: Day 4
    (18:19:05) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (18:19:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:19:11) PirateKingLuffy: dammit obey
    (18:19:18) PirateKingLuffy: why do you put the same as mine
    (18:19:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:19:24) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [2], Violet Hand [5].
    (18:19:24) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, Zidane FFIX, obey to kyubey.
    (18:19:24) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [2], Violet Hand [5]
    (18:19:24) ±Time: Day 4
    (18:19:24) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (18:19:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:19:30) obey to kyubey: lol don't you like my scissors ?
    (18:19:34) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (18:19:35) PirateKingLuffy: get rid of zid and we can finish this
    (18:19:36) Zidane FFIX: I just did a diff command to the same person as obey ;)
    (18:19:39) ±Game: PirateKingLuffy voted for obey to kyubey!
    (18:19:45) ±Game: Zidane FFIX voted for PirateKingLuffy!
    (18:19:47) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:19:47) Times Up! :
    (18:19:47) ±Foot: PirateKingLuffy (Green Hand [3]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (18:19:47) ±Foot: With the power of brute force, the Violet Hands obey to kyubey and Zidane FFIX lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!
    (18:19:47) ***************************************************************************************
    (18:19:48) obey to kyubey: good job with that Zidane FFIX

    Here the windatas:
    (18:37:50) *** RPS WIN DATA ***
    (18:37:50) Theme Played: 69 times

    (18:37:50) 1: Yellow Hands. Times Won: 16. Average Players per win: 6
    (18:37:50) 2: Blue Hands. Times Won: 14. Average Players per win: 6.5
    (18:37:50) 3: Red Hands. Times Won: 13. Average Players per win: 6
    (18:37:50) 4: Special Hands. Times Won: 10. Average Players per win: 6.9
    (18:37:50) 5: Violet Hands. Times Won: 9. Average Players per win: 7.67
    (18:37:50) 6: Green Hands. Times Won: 5. Average Players per win: 5.4
    (18:37:50) 7: Tie. Times Won: 2. Average Players per win: 3
    After some HP changes it looks like that green vs violet is becoming a little more balanced.
     
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  31. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Here a little Update:
    Added Emerald Hand on the Green Village Hand Team, It's practically the leader of the team, Has more HP then the other Green Hands, Can Reveal Themselves after the second night and has a vote power equal to 0. It spawn starting from 6 players games.
    Here a 6 players game with Emerald, green village won
    (23:30:33) ±Game: Theme RPS won with 2 votes!
    (23:30:33) ±Game: Type /Join to enter the game!

    (23:30:33) ±Game: One day, some children were arguing about who was the best at Rock-Paper-Scissors. After a massive uproar, a strange child said ''Hey, just go into teams. I'll be alone. Team that wins is the best'', and thus started the Super Mega Ultra Rock-Paper-Scissors Tournament! In as much as teams of 4, the teams will try to outdo each other and try to be the last one standing! A/N This theme runs on an HP system based on effectiveness. Good hit means 2HP for the opponent lost, bad hit means none lost, hitting the same type will cause your opponent to lose 1HP. Now you can Team Talk with your Known Partners! If you have any comments, questions, concerns, or bugs, please contact either obey to kyubey or Joeypals/Ariana_Grande/Xtina.
    (23:30:33) ±Game: White Kyurem, RandomGuyNat joined the game!
    (23:30:37) RandomGuyNat: honour to team with you floatzel <3
    (23:30:38) Miki Sayaka: I was planning to save it for you from the beginning Floatzel :)

    (23:30:42) ±Game: Hurry up, you only have 30 seconds more to join!

    (23:30:44) Floatzel: o.o
    (23:30:44) ±Game: Miki Sayaka joined the game!
    (23:30:50) ±Game: Otulissa joined the game!
    (23:30:53) Floatzel: fact confirmed:trollin oro makes oro hit you
    (23:30:55) RandomGuyNat: now that is tsuntsun
    (23:30:57) ±Game: MewtwoHidden joined the game!
    (23:30:59) ±Game: Floatzel joined the game!
    (23:31:07) RandomGuyNat: miki x float
    (23:31:09) Miki Sayaka: but claiming oro doesn't get you voted
    (23:31:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:31:13) Times Up! :
    (23:31:13) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (23:31:13) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [6], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:31:13) ±Current Players: Floatzel, MewtwoHidden, Miki Sayaka, Otulissa, RandomGuyNat, White Kyurem.
    (23:31:13) ±Time: Night 1
    (23:31:13) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (23:31:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:31:23) Floatzel: didn't say I was oro!
    (23:31:30) Miki Sayaka: I did tho
    (23:31:30) RandomGuyNat: whats an emerald? o.o
    (23:31:35) Floatzel: ah
    (23:31:37) Floatzel: true
    (23:31:40) Miki Sayaka: Greens PM
    (23:31:43) Miki Sayaka: Emerald here
    (23:31:51) Miki Sayaka: I will connect
    (23:31:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:31:53) Times Up! :
    (23:31:53) ±Foot: Floatzel (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (23:31:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:31:53) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [6], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [1], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:31:53) ±Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Miki Sayaka, Otulissa, RandomGuyNat, White Kyurem.
    (23:31:53) ±Time: Day 1
    (23:31:53) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (23:31:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:31:55) ±Game: The game is in progress. Please type /join to join the next mafia game.
    (23:32:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:32:13) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [6], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [1], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:32:13) ±Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Miki Sayaka, Otulissa, RandomGuyNat, White Kyurem.
    (23:32:13) ±Time: Day 1
    (23:32:13) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:32:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:32:14) RandomGuyNat: white is violet
    (23:32:15) Miki Sayaka: Kyurem is violet
    (23:32:17) Miki Sayaka: confirmed
    (23:32:20) Miki Sayaka: I did 1 damage to them
    (23:32:21) ±Game: RandomGuyNat voted for White Kyurem!
    (23:32:26) ±Game: White Kyurem voted for RandomGuyNat!
    (23:32:28) Miki Sayaka: I don't have a vote
    (23:32:28) ±Game: MewtwoHidden voted for White Kyurem!
    (23:32:32) MewtwoHidden: ok
    (23:32:33) ±Game: Miki Sayaka voted for Miki Sayaka!
    (23:32:34) Miki Sayaka: 0 votes
    (23:32:35) MewtwoHidden: get Otulissa
    (23:32:39) ±Game: Otulissa voted for White Kyurem!
    (23:32:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:32:40) Times Up! :
    (23:32:40) ±Foot: White Kyurem (Violet Hand [1]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (23:32:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:32:40) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [6], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:32:40) ±Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Miki Sayaka, Otulissa, RandomGuyNat.
    (23:32:40) ±Time: Night 2
    (23:32:40) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:32:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:32:53) MewtwoHidden: Ill rock Miki Sayaka you paper RandomGuyNat you scissors
    (23:33:10) RandomGuyNat: sorry otu
    (23:33:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:33:11) Times Up! :
    (23:33:11) No one died! :
    (23:33:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:33:11) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4].
    (23:33:11) ±Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Miki Sayaka, Otulissa, RandomGuyNat.
    (23:33:11) ±Time: Day 2
    (23:33:11) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (23:33:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:33:19) Miki Sayaka: welp
    (23:33:22) RandomGuyNat: hmm
    (23:33:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:33:29) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4].
    (23:33:29) ±Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Miki Sayaka, Otulissa, RandomGuyNat.
    (23:33:29) ±Time: Day 2
    (23:33:29) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:33:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:33:36) ±Game: MewtwoHidden voted for Otulissa!
    (23:33:37) ±Game: Miki Sayaka voted for Miki Sayaka!
    (23:33:39) Miki Sayaka: leave it
    (23:33:42) Miki Sayaka: unless he votes
    (23:33:46) ±Game: Otulissa voted for MewtwoHidden!
    (23:34:00) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:34:00) Times Up! :
    (23:34:00) No one was voted off!:
    (23:34:00) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:34:00) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [4].
    (23:34:00) ±Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Miki Sayaka, Otulissa, RandomGuyNat.
    (23:34:00) ±Time: Night 3
    (23:34:00) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:34:00) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:34:04) Miki Sayaka: k
    (23:34:19) Miki Sayaka: this time
    (23:34:22) RandomGuyNat: so we dont trust mewtwo?
    (23:34:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:34:30) Times Up! :
    (23:34:30) No one died! :
    (23:34:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:34:30) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [4], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [2].
    (23:34:30) ±Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Miki Sayaka, Otulissa, RandomGuyNat.
    (23:34:30) ±Time: Day 3
    (23:34:30) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (23:34:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:34:35) Miki Sayaka: I did two damage
    (23:34:43) Miki Sayaka: Otu is violet
    (23:34:45) Miki Sayaka: confirmed
    (23:34:47) MewtwoHidden: ugh
    (23:34:48) RandomGuyNat: ok
    (23:34:50) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:34:50) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [4], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [3], Violet Hand [2].
    (23:34:50) ±Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Miki Sayaka, Otulissa, RandomGuyNat.
    (23:34:50) ±Time: Day 3
    (23:34:50) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:34:50) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:34:53) ±Game: RandomGuyNat voted for Otulissa!
    (23:34:55) ±Game: Miki Sayaka voted for Miki Sayaka!
    (23:35:00) MewtwoHidden: I accidently hit RandomGuyNat
    (23:35:03) RandomGuyNat: lol
    (23:35:05) ±Game: MewtwoHidden voted for Otulissa!
    (23:35:07) RandomGuyNat: "accident"
    (23:35:08) ±Game: Otulissa voted for RandomGuyNat!
    (23:35:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:35:10) Times Up! :
    (23:35:10) ±Foot: Otulissa (Violet Hand [2]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (23:35:10) ±Foot: With the power of democracy, the Green Hands RandomGuyNat, Miki Sayaka and MewtwoHidden lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!
    (23:35:10) ***************************************************************************************
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2014
  32. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I like the idea of having a stronger villager role (AKA Emerald), but I don't like the self-reveal that much. I think a player cleaned by the game doesn't fit this theme.
    I'd suggest something like a Exposer/Day-Inspector that can find someone's HP instead (Preferably the Day Inspector, so Emerald would still have to work their brain to convince people about the info they got).
     
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  33. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    I like the day HP-Inspector is less direct and require more thinking, consider it done, but I am not 100% sure how to do so. Should I make some dummy roles that as translation name have their HP points and give to all the hands an "inspect": { "revealAs": "Xhp"} code, so that they get inspected as such dummy roles ? or there is a better way that you had in mind?
     
  34. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    If you are using expose, then that's the only way I can think of.
    P.S.: Don't forget to use variables there :3
     
  35. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ok added the ability to Inspect player's HP during the day for emerald hand. And now the Players cannot vote during 3 and 4 players spawn games.
     
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  36. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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  37. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Damn, I am really sorry. I gave to Emerald "target": "anybutTeam" instead then "anybutSelf". Now it should be ok.
    Here a game with a working Emerald.
    (23:47:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:47:25) Times Up! :
    (23:47:25) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (23:47:25) ±Game: You are a Violet Hand [5]!
    (23:47:25) ±Game: Your team have more Health Points then the other teams but you are less numerous and know your teammates. You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player. If you get a good hit, the target loses 2HP whereas if you make a bad hit, no one gets damaged, instead if you attack your same element like Scissors on Scissors, the target loses 1HP. This also applies to people that hit you.
    (23:47:25) ±Game: You have 5HP!
    (23:47:25) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey (Violet Hand [5]), Miki Sayaka (Violet Hand [5]) and Dr. Eggman (Violet Hand [5]).
    (23:47:25) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [6], Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:47:25) ±Current Players: A Role Here, DeadpoolFTW, Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Natalie, Paradoxial, Pikamaster, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:47:25) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:47:25) ±Time: Night 1
    (23:47:25) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (23:47:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:47:25) obey to kyubey: Emerald's issue was that cannot target his team
    (23:47:28) A Role Here: you know what command there needs to be
    (23:47:30) Pikamaster: Oh
    (23:47:32) A Role Here: a /suicide command
    (23:47:34) A Role Here: for every role
    (23:47:37) A Role Here: on April fool
    (23:47:37) Miki Sayaka: [Team] yay mafia
    (23:47:39) ±Game: You have chosen to rock Natalie!
    (23:47:44) obey to kyubey: [Team] Hi team
    (23:47:44) ±Game: Your partner (Miki Sayaka) has decided to paper 'Natalie'!
    (23:47:55) ±Game: Your partner (Dr. Eggman) has decided to scissors 'Natalie'!
    (23:48:01) Miki Sayaka: [Team] rip natalie
    (23:48:02) Dr. Eggman: [Team] yo
    (23:48:03) Pikamaster: RPS Seems Fun
    (23:48:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:48:05) Times Up! :
    (23:48:05) ±Game: Your attack was deflected, your target either used a piece of Paper or a Gray Shield
    (23:48:05) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (23:48:05) ±Game: You are a Violet Hand [5]!
    (23:48:05) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (23:48:05) ±Game: You have 5HP!
    (23:48:05) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey (Violet Hand [5]), Miki Sayaka (Violet Paper) and Dr. Eggman (Violet Scissors).
    (23:48:05) No one died! :
    (23:48:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:48:05) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [5], Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [1], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:48:05) ±Current Players: A Role Here, DeadpoolFTW, Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Natalie, Paradoxial, Pikamaster, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:48:05) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:48:05) ±Time: Day 1
    (23:48:05) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (23:48:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:48:06) A Role Here: emerald's hand should be every other night
    (23:48:09) A Role Here: or something imo
    (23:48:11) Pikamaster: LOL
    (23:48:13) Paradoxial: qq
    (23:48:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:48:22) ±Foot: Emerald scans how much HP their target has!
    (23:48:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:48:24) Paradoxial: I got wrecked
    (23:48:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:48:25) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [5], Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [1], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:48:25) ±Current Players: A Role Here, DeadpoolFTW, Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Natalie, Paradoxial, Pikamaster, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:48:25) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:48:25) ±Time: Day 1
    (23:48:25) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:48:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:48:27) Miki Sayaka: [Team] may be a glitch
    (23:48:39) Pikamaster: A paper was on me
    (23:48:40) A Role Here: if the person has 5 HP left
    (23:48:41) A Role Here: reveal them
    (23:48:44) Miki Sayaka: [Team] it says Dr. Eggman is Violet Scissors but me and you look like "Violet hand"
    (23:48:46) obey to kyubey: [Team] what is a glitch ? Miki
    (23:48:54) Dr. Eggman: [Team] hmm interesting
    (23:48:55) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:48:55) Times Up! :
    (23:48:55) No one was voted off!:
    (23:48:55) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:48:55) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [5], Gray Hand [4], Green Hand [1], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [3], Green Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:48:55) ±Current Players: A Role Here, DeadpoolFTW, Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Natalie, Paradoxial, Pikamaster, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:48:55) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:48:55) ±Time: Night 2
    (23:48:55) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:48:55) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:49:14) ±Game: Your partner (Miki Sayaka) has decided to rock 'Paradoxial'!
    (23:49:21) obey to kyubey: [Team] nah, it's simply that he still didn't converted to hand when you received your teammates roles
    (23:49:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:49:25) Times Up! :
    (23:49:25) ±Foot: Pikamaster (Green Rock) was eliminated!
    (23:49:25) ±Foot: Natalie (Green Hand) was eliminated!
    (23:49:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:49:25) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [5], Gray Hand [2], Green Hand [1], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:49:25) ±Current Players: A Role Here, DeadpoolFTW, Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Paradoxial, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:49:25) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:49:25) ±Time: Day 2
    (23:49:25) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (23:49:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:49:25) ±CommandBot: The command paper doesn't exist
    (23:49:35) Miki Sayaka: [Team] did you guys attack?
    (23:49:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:49:38) ±Foot: Emerald scans how much HP their target has!
    (23:49:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:49:40) obey to kyubey: [Team] damn too slow to type, sorry
    (23:49:40) Paradoxial: well
    (23:49:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:49:45) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [5], Gray Hand [2], Green Hand [1], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:49:45) ±Current Players: A Role Here, DeadpoolFTW, Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Paradoxial, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:49:45) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:49:45) ±Time: Day 2
    (23:49:45) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:49:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:49:45) Miki Sayaka: [Team] lol we all have full HP
    (23:49:45) A Role Here: if the person has 5 HP left reveal them
    (23:49:48) smile_dog: ouch i got hit
    (23:49:51) Dr. Eggman: [Team] ikr?
    (23:50:02) obey to kyubey: [Team] no one has still attacked us XD
    (23:50:13) Dr. Eggman: [Team] kinda odd, considering i usually die early
    (23:50:15) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:50:15) Times Up! :
    (23:50:15) No one was voted off!:
    (23:50:15) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:50:15) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [5], Gray Hand [2], Green Hand [1], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:50:15) ±Current Players: A Role Here, DeadpoolFTW, Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Paradoxial, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:50:15) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:50:15) ±Time: Night 3
    (23:50:15) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:50:15) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:50:21) DeadpoolFTW: violets haven't been hit yet
    (23:50:23) ±Game: Your partner (Miki Sayaka) has decided to scissors 'Xtina'!
    (23:50:28) ±Game: Your partner (Dr. Eggman) has decided to scissors 'Paradoxial'!
    (23:50:29) Miki Sayaka: [Team] we also haven't hit emerald
    (23:50:31) ±Game: You have chosen to paper Xtina!
    (23:50:33) Miki Sayaka: [Team] but that's ok
    (23:50:33) Dr. Eggman: [Team] yeah
    (23:50:39) smile_dog: or emerald
    (23:50:41) Paradoxial: typing /scissors feels weird
    (23:50:44) Paradoxial: :3
    (23:50:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:50:45) Times Up! :
    (23:50:45) ±Foot: Paradoxial (Green Scissors) was eliminated!
    (23:50:45) ±Game: Another piece of Paper attacked you! You received 1 point of damage.
    (23:50:45) ±Game: Your target was Paper too! You dealt 1 point of damage to them.
    (23:50:45) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (23:50:45) ±Game: You are a Violet Hand [4]!
    (23:50:45) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (23:50:45) ±Game: You have 4HP!
    (23:50:45) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey (Violet Hand [4]), Miki Sayaka (Violet Scissors) and Dr. Eggman (Violet Scissors).
    (23:50:45) ±Foot: A Role Here (Gray Hand) was eliminated!
    (23:50:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:50:45) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:50:45) ±Current Players: DeadpoolFTW, Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:50:45) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:50:45) ±Time: Day 3
    (23:50:45) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (23:50:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:50:54) Dr. Eggman: gray down
    (23:50:55) obey to kyubey: [Team] well i got hit
    (23:50:57) Miki Sayaka: [Team] we win?
    (23:50:58) Dr. Eggman: [Team] nuuu
    (23:51:04) Dr. Eggman: [Team] i think so
    (23:51:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:51:05) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:51:05) ±Current Players: DeadpoolFTW, Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:51:05) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:51:05) ±Time: Day 3
    (23:51:05) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:51:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:51:06) Miki Sayaka: [Team] can we just vote
    (23:51:06) DeadpoolFTW: i found a violet.
    (23:51:07) Miki Sayaka: [Team] or
    (23:51:14) ±Game: DeadpoolFTW voted for obey to kyubey!
    (23:51:14) obey to kyubey: [Team] let's vote we can outvote them
    (23:51:16) Miki Sayaka: shh don't team reveal
    (23:51:18) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for DeadpoolFTW!
    (23:51:18) ±Game: Miki Sayaka voted for DeadpoolFTW!
    (23:51:20) ±Game: Dr. Eggman voted for DeadpoolFTW!
    (23:51:21) Miki Sayaka: oops
    (23:51:22) Miki Sayaka: meant to tie
    (23:51:26) Miki Sayaka: welp
    (23:51:27) ±Game: Xtina voted for obey to kyubey!
    (23:51:29) DeadpoolFTW: ttheyre all violet
    (23:51:32) ±Game: smile_dog voted for obey to kyubey!
    (23:51:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:51:33) Times Up! :
    (23:51:33) ±Foot: DeadpoolFTW (Green Hand [2]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (23:51:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:51:33) ±Current Roles: Emerald Hand [2], Green Hand [2], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:51:33) ±Current Players: Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, Xtina, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:51:33) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:51:33) ±Time: Night 4
    (23:51:33) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:51:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:51:36) ±Dratini: Dmm6go was mysteriously kicked by Crobat!
    (23:51:37) Miki Sayaka: k
    (23:51:39) Xtina: Welp
    (23:51:42) Miki Sayaka: rocking obey to kyubey
    (23:51:43) ±Game: Your partner (Dr. Eggman) has decided to scissors 'Xtina'!
    (23:51:43) Xtina: Good job you 3
    (23:51:45) Miki Sayaka: xtine you paper them
    (23:51:55) ±Game: You have chosen to rock Xtina!
    (23:51:55) ±Game: Your partner (Miki Sayaka) has decided to scissors 'smile_dog'!
    (23:52:03) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:52:03) Times Up! :
    (23:52:03) ±Game: You smashed a pair of Scissors! You dealt 2 points of damage to them.
    (23:52:03) ±Game: Your curse took effect and you changed roles!
    (23:52:03) ±Game: You are a Violet Hand [4]!
    (23:52:03) ±Game: You may attack using /rock, /paper, or /scissors every night to choose your hand and challenge another player.
    (23:52:03) ±Game: You have 4HP!
    (23:52:03) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey (Violet Hand [4]), Miki Sayaka (Violet Scissors) and Dr. Eggman (Violet Scissors).
    (23:52:03) ±Foot: Xtina (Emerald Hand) was eliminated!
    (23:52:03) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:52:03) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [1], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:52:03) ±Current Players: Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:52:04) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:52:04) ±Time: Day 4
    (23:52:04) You have 20 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (23:52:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:52:16) obey to kyubey: Guys, green will always lose if you don't vote
    (23:52:18) Miki Sayaka: darn
    (23:52:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:52:23) ±Current Roles: Green Hand [1], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5].
    (23:52:23) ±Current Players: Dr. Eggman, Miki Sayaka, obey to kyubey, smile_dog.
    (23:52:23) ±Current Team: Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [4], Violet Hand [5]
    (23:52:23) ±Time: Day 4
    (23:52:23) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (23:52:23) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:52:26) Miki Sayaka: almost made it with full HP
    (23:52:30) Miki Sayaka: seriously we took
    (23:52:31) Miki Sayaka: 2 damage
    (23:52:33) Miki Sayaka: in total
    (23:52:34) Miki Sayaka: ._.
    (23:52:36) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for smile_dog!
    (23:52:40) ±Game: Miki Sayaka voted for smile_dog!
    (23:52:40) ±Game: Dr. Eggman voted for smile_dog!
    (23:52:41) obey to kyubey: yeah
    (23:52:44) Dr. Eggman: GG
    (23:52:45) smile_dog: bye
    (23:52:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (23:52:53) Times Up! :
    (23:52:53) ±Foot: smile_dog (Green Hand [1]) cheated and was disqualified!
    (23:52:53) ±Foot: With the power of brute force, the Violet Hands obey to kyubey, Miki Sayaka and Dr. Eggman lasted past everyone else and won the tournament!
    (23:52:53) ***************************************************************************************
    It looks like that the green hands still do not understand that if they don't vote then they will have huge difficulties to win. Any suggestion how to promote voting? Maybe I should make Emerald an HP exposer instead then a day inspector for HP?
     
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  38. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Only thing I can think without changing the theme too much is to make Green an actual village side (lose when outnumbered). That may require that some roles are put on VCLR, which I suggest it could be done by HP (something like HP > 2 = VCLR). That could end reducing the epic 1-to-1 comebacks though.
    When I suggested it, I thought about making at least the HP part being public. Something like "The Emerald Hand found someone with 4 HP!".
     
  39. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    Any reason why I can't vote? Game of 4.
     

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  40. Roild

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    I told you after the game the reason.

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    2. "translation": "Red Hand [4]",
    3. "help": "variable:redhand help",
    4. "actions": { "noVote": true,
    Voting OP in 1v1v1 and 2v2. Defeats the purpose of the night actions. Hardly a bug.