[NOC] Neapolitan Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win!

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  1. Nicehat

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  2. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    In a few hours I will be sending prods to people who haven't posted within 48 hours of that time.

    Consider activity requirements for Saturday/Sunday to be more lax, though.
     
  3. Pyanda

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    I think the majority of us are waiting for aj to post.

    You quoted 1 of Wind's post and 3 of mine. Are you saying we are cross-forcing or something? What would be the point of that?

    Was I that bad? I didn't think people would take it seriously. Even so I still don't quite get why that would make me scummy though. Oh well, we can drop this now that Feg is dead.

    @Nicehat
    I don't see what you are trying to say with that quotes-only post.

    Just a recap while we wait. Who is everyone's strongest scum read?
    Mine is aj.
    Nicehat's is Wind.
    I am not too sure about the rest of you.
     
  4. NotMafia

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    I don't understand what you mean by cross-forcing. I just think you both have RVS posts that come off as forced

    NotMafia- Windblown + Pyanda
    Nicehat- Windblown + AJ/Pyanda
    AJ - Windblown +NM
    Wind - Nicehat + AJ
    Pyanda- AJ + Anyone else

    Do you have any thoughts or leaning on myself, Nicehat and Wind? I don't like this fencesitting and tunneling on AJ

    Response to this?
     
  5. Pyanda

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    I thought you meant the quotes look forced because of me/Wind scum team. Never mind.

    I said I am leaning Nicehat for the early vote. I don't think Wind is scum.
    Tunneling? Aj is my strongest scum read and nothing is changing my opinion as of yet. I can't really tunnel when aj is inactive.

    I thought the last sentence was to tell us to stop the discussion. Alright then, not much to respond to but I will try.

    Feg being tired is one possibility. I thought there would be more to it but this is the simplest explanation.

    I agree there is no town motivation. But Feg ended up flipping town so I really am confused about that.

    If Feg for whatever reason did not want me out, then they would obviously not hammer right? I mean, what else could they do?

    Feg's death might tell us something? I don't know. Originally I asked about Feg to generate some discussion and to clear up my head so I can understand Day 1 better. It was also an attempt to get a better read on Wind. Nothing else. I didn't plan to carry on discussing it anyway. You on the other hand seem very unhappy of us to discuss the kill target of the mafia.
     
  6. NotMafia

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    I was the one to raise the question about the NKs in the first place, what I meant was, even if we did conclude feg wanted to keep you in, then what would that mean considering he's flipped town, unless you really trust his judgement then I don't see what you hoped to gain out of that line of discussion
     
  7. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    Prodding ajhockeystar.
     
  8. ajhockeystar

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    Sorry for forgetting to say I'd be V/LA, but yesterday I went to visit family for like the whole day... But yeah unless anything else comes up I should be active for the next 3 days (long weekend, yay).

    Okay, so I've been scumreading NM less with his last bunch of posts. But the one thing that almost makes me unsure is that slip... Idk.

    And as for Pyanda, it seems like he's been avoiding reading people other than me to avoid any kind of associative tells with their partner. Obviously he's only scumreading me since I can't possibly be his partner. He's my strongest scumread atm.

    And as for Windy... Well, I kinda feel like whatever I say will be plain echoes of others. Meh. It's also partially PoE, and he's a pretty darn probable partner to Pyanda.

    So yeah, Pyanda + Windy/NM (most likely the former).
     
  9. Marquis

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  10. Nicehat

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    conception 2 > mafia

    i'll try to post something relevant later but i'm going to be pretty busy for next few days so we'll see
     
  11. Windblown

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    aj's shift on Pyanda being his strongest scumread looks to be because Pyanda is scumreading him, but at least he doesn't have me and NM as a team. also like how he's not delivering any reasons for me being scum because he doesn't want to echo others (no original thoughts here, even if people have made valid cases on me) and PoE (which is iffy)
     
  12. Pyanda

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    Fair enough.

    Why are you sure that was a slip?

    I am avoiding reading other people? I have been trying to without much success, not avoiding.
    I am reading you as scum because you seem the scummiest to me and there are evidences which supports that.

    And why is Wind more probable than anyone else?

    There is no mention of Nicehat there, which fits in with you and Nicehat scum team.
     
  13. NotMafia

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    Currently I'm 75% Wind/Pyanda, 20% Nicehat/AJ, 5% the other technically possible but not realistic possibilities.

    My case on Wind/Pyanda is admittedly very house of cards.

    @Wind

    I'd like something on Nicehat outside of the early vote

    What do you think of Pyanda's reads compared to to everyone elses?

    What are couple of good town games of yours for me to check up on, outside of POAMT Set 2?

    @AJ

    What do you think of Nicehat's early vote?
    What do you see as the scum motivation in my "slip"?

    @Nicehat

    Any progress on the Pyanda vs AJ half of your Windblown + AJ/Pyanda scumteam?
     
  14. Windblown

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    I'm pretty sure I had a case on Nicehat on page 4 regarding his attitude towards aj, although the case on him is weaker and it's more of aj's partner likely being Nicehat (this is part PoE, part attitude. I know I just said how PoE is weak but it's not completely the issue there and Nicehat's play looks very town on the surface).

    The early vote case was to determine that either Nicehat or me is mafia, not to say that he is mafia because he pushed the vote.

    I'd like Pyanda to develop reads because I think he's past the 'trying' point. He shares the aj scumread with me but it's apparently up to you, NM, to decide where we're going with this lynch. So I'd rather him develop reads more on me and Nicehat because it seems everyone else has addressed people sufficiently.

    I was town in Bravest Warriors / Matrix NOC (hosted by MeowMix) / Vanilla Mafia (vanilla or BW might be the best game to read up for style check or whatever you want to do)
     
  15. ajhockeystar

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    It seemed like one to me, like, disregarding potential scumteams seems like something scum would do (obviously).

    See, that's it- you're constantly only stating why you scumread me. You're not even trying to develop any kind of reads on any other people.

    He's mathematically the most probable to be scum. There's a 66% chance he's scum, and 33% chance for the rest of us (it adds up to 200% because there's 2 scum).

    Yeah, I've already mentioned that I townread him. My opinions were changing on you and the other two, but my read of him remains the same, so why mention him?

    @NotMafia About Nicehat's vote, it seemed like quite the ballsy move, but it had reason, and now we know that at least one of the two are mafia (most likely only one though).

    Mentioned the stuff about your slip above.
     
  16. Pyanda

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    Mathematically? That is one of the worst reason I have ever seen. This is the part where maths don't function you see, a machine would think so, and it would likely be wrong. You seem to be not using your mind for this, you are reading me as scum because I am focusing on you, and you are reading Wind as scum because maths. Are you even trying to scum hunt right now? Or is it that you don't need to?

    About NM's "slip", it would indicate one of two things. Either you or Wind is scum or you and Wind are both town. So far, you both have called out NM for it, which made the former unlikely, meaning it would be the latter. This would mean that I am scum with NM, but you suggested me and Wind instead. I really don't understand how that worked out in your mind. Personally, I don't think that is a slip because both scenarios are unlikely to me and I acknowledge that it can be a confusing set up therefore easy to make a mistake.

    So you don't need to mention someone if your read on them doesn't change, but I do? Alright then.
    Nicehat : Likely to be aj's partner. There are a few examples of them mentioning why aj could be scum then discards it with gut feeling that aj is town instead. The reason for the early vote now becomes more apparent as aj trying to go after Wind with poor reason.
    NotMafia : Null, leaning town. The only problem I have with their post is the constant mention of meta, something I would prefer not to use when getting a reason on someone. However, I wouldn't say this is a scum motivation because maybe it's the way they play. Nothing else seems to suggest scum.
    Windblown : Most likely to be town. This is more to do with me being confident that aj is scum. I also think that most of their posts seem to sync in with my thoughts, which is from a town's POV.
    ajhockeystar : Scum. My reasons should be clear, I think everyone is sick of me focusing on aj by now.
     
  17. NotMafia

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    I resent being in this position

    @ AJ

    Why are you talking about mathematical probability, especially following your read flip on me and why do you keep mentioning my "slip" but ignoring Wind's "slip". For that matter, why have you not really engaged Wind at all?
     
  18. ajhockeystar

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    I honestly don't get what people are saying when they mention Wind's "slip".
     
  19. Nicehat

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    @NotMafia
    I don't really think lynching aj is a good option today. I think his posts are terrible and he's being obtuse but I don't think he's actually scum. If he was mafia I would imagine he'd at least get some guidance from his teammate before posting garbage like how Windblown is "mathematically more likely to be mafia" in the thread.

    Windblown/Pyanda is plausible and I think they're going all in on trying to win by getting a mislynch this day. Don't forget D1:
    which happened after Pyanda "jokingly hammered" aj and immediately had the other two people in his group call him scum

    This post is funny because I said literally the exact opposite:
    Maybe if you looked at my post at the top of the page it clearly points out what it was?
     
  20. Nicehat

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    Also like I said before I literally don't see how anyone can get anything of relevance out of notmafia's "slip".

    If you think there's something there that hints to either alignment either way please explain it to me because from what I saw there wasn't anything that would really be beneficial for him out of it if he was mafia
     
  21. Windblown

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    see, I wasn't being that serious there when I said NM "slipped" because I did have a fairly strong townread on NM at the time I said that (like when I compared his play to others, he was town in my perspective and I've made "slips" like that, see POAMT 2), so it's great that aj is latching on to a fairly weak argument so he can put forward a scumteam of me and NM!

    People already addressed how the mathematical probability of me being scum is a bullshit argument, so let me point to POAMT 2 where that mathematical take on it led to village mislynching over and over again (because we were so led astray by Valentino's fake results so mafia could coast to a lot of mislynches cause we all thought, oh all the people in this group must be scum because the sensor results say so)
     
  22. ajhockeystar

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    Oh. Honestly it doesn't seem like a slip to me, given that Pyanda mentioned too many times that I was his top scumread. Windy was just asking who his other scumread was. (I believe he mentioned that he townread Windy before, so that's why he excluded him).

    And about NM's slip, forgetting possible scumteams is something scum does from my experience.
     
  23. NotMafia

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    Pyanda had only mentioned his read on you at that point at that point, at least for this day phase.
     
  24. Nicehat

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    You don't understand how asking Pyanda who the other scum was between only me and Notmafia when Pyanda already had you as a scumread is suspicious in the slightest?

    I don't understand how you can say "forgetting possible scumteams" is suspicious and then not understand the above at the same time (hint: Windblown + aj is a possible scumteam setup-wise)
     
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    I think AJ means the fact that I "forgot" possible scum teams at all is scummy, not necessarily what teams it may or may not have hid, where as Windblown's was a leading question rather than explicitly "forgetting something".
     
  26. Nicehat

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    Windblown's argument for himself being town is pointing to previous games where he happened to be town


    Also re: aj, I don't really buy that distinction between
    They're both loaded questions except one is aimed at everyone and one is aimed at one specific person
     
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    Oh, didn't know that. So yeah it is a slip.

    Exactly.
     
  28. Pyanda

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    You don't think aj is scum because their posts would be better if they are?
    I misread the other post but this one tells me you have little reason to believe aj is town.

    Why would Wind put themselves up as one of the possible scum options when they know they aren't? How is this even a slip?
     
  29. NotMafia

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    Due to timezone and what not I will be placing my vote in about 6 hours
     
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    I'm unavailable until deadline unfortunately, so I'm going to have to place my vote now

    vote Windblown

    Sorry if I'm wrong. If Wind does flip scum, I do think Pyanda is the partner, however I can't discount Windblown/AJ, I don't like how AJ hasn't really really engaged Windblown at all and I also don't like how long it took to coax AJ saying Windblown 'slipped' out of him.
     
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    Vote ajhockeystar

    w/e gg
     
  32. Windblown

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    NM you're probably not on but if you are change your vote before aj comes on oml

    hint: my argument for me being town isn't because I had previous games as town I was answering your question NM
     
  33. Marquis

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  34. Pyanda

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    Looks like aj wouldn't be on anytime soon.

    Vote Windblown
     
  35. Marquis

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  36. Marquis

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    A win condition can no longer be achieved!

    Windblown, the Vanilla Townie, was Neapolitan-lynched Day 2.

     
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    ajhockeystar, the Vanilla Townie, was endgamed.

    NotMafia, the Vanilla Townie, was endgamed.


    * * * * *


    Nicehat and Pyanda, the Mafia Goons, have won!

     
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    Only here for a couple of minutes on my phone.

    That I did not expect, congrats guys, well played. I look forward to your qt

    Sorry Windblown and to the rest of the village. Lynching Pyanda d1 every game now.
     
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    sorry @Fegelein I'm bad

    ggggggggggggggggggg