[NOC] Neapolitan Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win!

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  1. Marquis

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    Batman, the Vanilla Townie, was Strawberry-lynched Day 1.

    Raducan, the Vanilla Townie, was Chocolate-lynched Day 1.

    The Vanilla group did not lynch, so the Mafia will choose who to lynch by tomorrow morning.

    It is now Night 1. Groups will be merged, and the Mafia can kill.

    Deadline is Tuesday, April 15 @ 2:00 EST / 7:00 EST.

     
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  2. Marquis

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    Fegelein, the Vanilla Townie, was chosen by the Mafia to be Vanilla-lynched Day 1.


    Michu, the Vanilla Townie, was killed Night 1.

     
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    V O T E C O U N T
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    Post within 48 hours of your previous post, or you will be prodded. 24 more hours without a response, or too many prods, leads to replacement. This is especially important because of the smaller game size and shorter Days.

     
  4. NotMafia

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    Pyanda, why weren't you voting at the end of d1?

    [Nicehat/Windblown] + [Pyanda/AJ]

    I started to think Pyanda/Winblown were a team at the end of d1 but didn't really get an opportunity to post about it. I'm more confident of Windblown being scum; my Pyanda read is semi-associative and he's annoying to read.

    AJ needs to post reads.
     
  5. Windblown

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    I would rather look to the vanilla group than the strawberry group for the lynch. Personally leaning aj > Pyanda because the latter's been far more transparent, I should really go read Fire and Ice Mafia to meta check
     
  6. NotMafia

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    @ Everyone

    We all have 2 binary lynches here, who do you currently think is the scum in each of your pairs?
    What do you think about the NK choices?

    @Windblown

    What was your aim with this question?

    What do you think of Pyanda's no voting?

    @Pyanda

    When talking within your group d1 why were you so concerned with asking AJ and Feg "Why are you scum reading me?"
    Who did you prefer as a lynch between the two at the end of d1?

    @Nicehat

    What do you think of Feg's flip? Has it changed your reads at all?
     
  7. NotMafia

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    @ajhockeystar

    If you had been active at the end of d1, would you have changed your vote?
     
  8. Pyanda

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    I was pretty certain I am going to get lynched since both players in my group are reading me as scum.
    It didn't help at all that neither of them has told me the reason for it. And since I can't defend myself, I would continually look like scum in their POV.
    The last thing I anticipate would be Feg not hammering me.

    In my pair? That would be Aj.

    Looks like removing strong players. Lynching Feg might be an attempt to frame me because of the their reads.

    If someone is scum reading you, wouldn't you want to know why? They didn't provide a reason so I can't even defend myself.
    All my group talked about Day 1 was me being scummy anyway so it might have seem like me continuing to push for an answer out of them even though I only asked them twice.

    Aj, I would rather have kept an active player.
    Wind apparently knows that Feg was doing it for a reason.
     
  9. NotMafia

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    What I mean is, from your perspective, scum should be [me/Nicehat] and [AJ/Windblown], so who in each of those pairs do you think is scum?
     
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    Actually no sorry I got that wrong. AJ and Windblown is still possible for you and Nicehat and Windblown is still possible for me.

    So I'll reword that question, Who does everyone think is scum?
     
  11. Pyanda

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    I will answer it after everyone have posted. Right now, I will go with Aj.
     
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    Why AJ?
     
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    Aj voted me without giving much of a reason right after Feg scum read me made me think Aj is just placing the vote for Feg to hammer. Aj also went inactive right after that which made me believe that they are going to lurk until I get hammered by Feg.
     
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    You were acting pretty odd at that stage, I can see that vote coming from town. What about his lurking makes you think he's scum rather just AJ's general lurking?
     
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    It's the timing of the lurk, it's right after Aj placed the vote on me. There were plenty of time to discuss it with the everyone but Aj choose to place a vote then just go inactive. I don't know how often Aj lurks or when, but that timing just doesn't seem right.
     
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    not sure if this is a slip or...

    also the question was to see if Michu was townreading both me and Raducan, to which he gave a pretty ambiguous answer which only addressed the statistical probability of it happening. Looking back on it, it was an odd answer, but he flipped town, so that's inconsequential now.

    Before I go any further @Pyanda who is the scum between NotMafia and Nicehat
     
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    feg's flip makes me feel that that it's more likely that either aj or pyanda are mafia.
    i would have said d1 it makes pyanda look more suspicious since feg was attacking him before but since feg never hammered i suspect that might mean that in the end he thought that pyanda was town
    given this i'd say that it's more likely to point at aj being mafia
    obviously end result is open to interpretation

    gut feeling was that aj isn't mafia (same reason as day 1) but looking at his lurking behaviour (prod-dodge + promise of posting later then never following up) it is actually really suspicious

    windblown seems scummier to me than notmafia (full disclosure this was before i noticed below)

    btw notmafia the scumteam possibilities are not actually binary (at least for everyone not windblown)
    for me, possibilities are ([notmafia/windblown] + [aj/pyanda]) OR (notmafia + windblown) if aj and pyanda are the group with all 3 town
    I think it's also likely just a mistake, given that the scumteam that the error discounts is different for everyone so there's no real tell there either way (probably? cba to look into it further atm) plus after reading it I thought that was reasonable for like half an hour before noticing the error
    looks like windblown found the error while i was writing this lol

    btw windblown please don't ask blatantly loaded questions that imply that the only possibilities that exist are that either me or notmafia are scum
     
  18. Nicehat

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    not sure if that is a slip, or...
     
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    also like not really sure what notmafia's slip is supposed to imply in windblown's quote

    like if you take it at face value it means that he's trying to hide the possibility of an aj + windblown scumteam

    but like, i don't really see a reason why he would want to do that regardless of what alignment he is (please enlighten me)
     
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    in contrast, your slip (hiding the possibility that both me and notmafia are town to pyanda) would suggest a windblown + aj scumteam

    if you got pyanda to vote either one of us then both of you could hammer and town would lose

    what do people think about this?
     
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    "your slip" = windblown's slip jsyk

    also EBWOP what do you* people think about this

    done posting for now
     
  22. NotMafia

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    It was just a derp with the set up.

    This was me realising that, I should have clarified that better. One thing that still stands though is that for me to townread Wind I have to scumread Nicehat (and vice versa) and well... I'm not willing to do that right now.

    I expect an explanation from Windblown as to why he was waiting for the answer to that question for Pyanda before answering my other questions
     
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    when i said i was done posting, i lied

    I think it's a good idea to point out that even though this slip on the surface level suggests a Windblown/aj scumteam, it's also quite possible that Windblown is setting himself up to either a) get the mislynch on me or notmafia b) get a mislynch on aj if his partner is someone else, or c) get a lynch on himself, flip mafia, and then get a mislynch on aj in day 3

    either way it looks to me like it's pointing that windblown is mafia
     
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    Vote Windblown
     
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    p.s. don't put him at L-1 yet
     
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    he deserves a chance to post before getting lynched

    be back in a bit
     
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    I agree with you but ~11 hours in to LYLO and a vote already?
     
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    I don't think that was a slip nor an attempt to hide anything. I said I think Aj is scum, and since Wind knows they are town it would make sense to ask me to choose between you and NM.

    Between those two, I would say I am leaning Nicehat for now.
    I didn't think either of them were scummy until Nicehat placed a vote then proceed to ask not to put you at L-1. That was too bold of a move to make in LYLO in my opinion. I am never a big fan of rushing things, I say we calm it and give it a few days.

    Everyone except Aj is pretty much a null for me as of now.
     
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    Wow, I didn't notice yesterday's deadline, I thought it'd be longer given that we had to make 3 lynches >.> Btw my sudden inactivity was due to lots of tests and projects being due, along with some irl stuff coming up. Anyways...

    Just gonna start by answering NM's question. I probably would have tbh, Feg's play was quite questionable. He was really vague, such as this one which particularly irked me:

    Like, "me and my allegiance" is almost like saying him and his scumbuddy. Anyways, he's dead now, so I shouldn't ramble about him too much.

    I'm townreading Nicehat atm, they've been making solid content posts with unique opinions. Not much to be elaborated on here.

    Pyanda... His day 1 play was strange to say the least, such as his emphasis of us being in the Vanilla group and stuff. Today he's done nothing particularly scummy though, so a null read for him.

    NM's slip today coupled with some stuff he said last day is making me lean towards him as scum. Stuff such as this:

    Like, if there are no votes being placed, then how is any pressure going to be applied?

    And as for Windy, I don't like some of the stuff he said, such as this:

    Oh and this post seems to suggest a NM/Windy scumteam as well:

    Pretty strong gut read on him tbh.

    So NM/Windy is what I'm leaning towards at the moment. And seriously guys, why do you always think I'm scum when I don't post for like 1-2 days :/
     
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    Pyanda, what is your opinion on Windblown? You must have something more to comment than just null

    AJ, Why do you see that as a slip and not just a mistake? What do you think of the "slip" by Windblown presented by Nicehat? And do you really see Windblown calling an early townread on his partner like that?
     
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    You can apply pressure without votes, by that logic we wouldn't be able to apply pressure to those outside our groups.

    Him town reading me early on I don't see as a scumtell, I was really awkward and self-conscious in Tswift RVS and I was panicking in our QT so unless that was him trying to drop a partner tell on me I consider that a null tell
     
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    Do you really think NM "slipped" purposely just to have Wind call them out? That seems unnecessary at this stage.

    And the second half of your post is just RVS stuff that doesn't really have much of a value not to mention you could have easily commented about it Day 1. It just seem to me like you are forced to dig up random pieces and just make a shaky connection to seem like you are doing work.

    I am still scum reading aj and I don't think Wind is the partner to be honest due to these posts.
    Overall, I don't think Wind is acting scummy or anything. Even with Nicehat's explanation I am still not convinced.
    The reason why I am not getting a strong read on anyone is probably because there are so few posts to work with. I don't want to just follow an assumption and mislead myself.
     
  34. Windblown

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    everyone has posted since Nicehat's vote on me and no one has hammered?

    NotMafia has been active around the clock and he posted within a couple of hours of between both aj and Pyanda so I don't think NM is scum. Of course this also means Nicehat is mafia because it's either me or him: for the sake of being politically correct I suppose it's either me/him + aj/Pyanda.

    Now if this is correct then this falls right into place with my purpose of asking Pyanda that question - if he's willing to vote Nicehat (looks like from his posts he isn't scumreading me so it seems to indicate Nicehat > me for the lynch). The reason why I hushed up yesterday was because I wanted to see what Pyanda was looking at and if he was thinking the same way as me regarding Nicehat v NotMafia then he would probably be town (this fails if it's Pyanda + NM or some oblique bussing here, but it seems to all fit into place here).

    also of course I wasn't going to put myself up as an option when I asked Pyanda, NM explained it fine

    if you don't want to lynch out of me or Nicehat then look at aj, whose post on this page is pretty questionable:

    yeah I guess he said he wouldn't talk about Feg much but it's just useless at best and noise at worst

    tbh probably anyone would townread Nicehat after d1 but I'm surprised no one had paranoia about him. Also this seems like a really generic townread but w/e

    This is a pretty empty analysis of Pyanda, I'd like you to at least expand on this

    no explanation of why it's scummy, it's really a silly semantics question and I like how aj took it as a face-value slip when I pointed it out and he is scumreading me

    no explanation to why either of my posts are scummy, or why my townread on NM is faulty, and is it really strong if it's just gut (this question is probably just a technical one)?

    In summary AJ's proposed scumteam makes little sense to me, which Pyanda also caught onto.

    Now onto Nicehat I might expand later but first:

    a) I haven't seen any mention of NM here, I guess it could be from Nicehat's other posts but it wouldn't hurt to compare his current read on NM to his reads on aj/Pyanda. This doesn't seem to suggest that there's an intrinsic scum-read on either aj/Pyanda but more PoE.
    b) Scumreads (or I guess scumread) Pyanda because Feg was attacking him (and only that)? I would just have to disagree with the reasoning of why Feg never hammered, I thought it was just a timezone issue because the scumread seemed strong enough
    c) "aj is probably mafia but I'll leave this open" sounds like distancing
    d) Scumread on aj because of lurking is okay I guess but again this gut feeling thing (is probably attributed to a difference in playstyle but I still don't like it)
     
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    considering feg posted a lot while aj had his vote on pyanda he had plenty of opportunities to hammer if he wanted imo
     
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    Feg was on before deadline posting a GIF and a video, I think Feg could have easily hammered me if they wanted to. However, I really don't see why they would rather have a no lynch unless they are mafia and wanted to get rid of aj instead. Since Feg flipped as town, the only explanation for it besides timezone issues would be because Feg wanted to keep me alive for whatever reason. If Feg doesn't mind me dead, then I am pretty sure they could have hammered to save themselves from the risk of being chosen to lynch by the mafia.

    @Windblown
    You seem to understand what Feg was doing Day 1. Did you know the reason for my scum read? (I don't think this matters anymore but I want to know anyway, it might help me to understand why Feg did what they did.)
     
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    Feg probably just derped because he was tired, there's no town motivation to not be voting in d1 of this theme (when a hammer is still open) and there was no indication he'd readflipped on Pyanda or wanted AJ out. And even if Feg didn't want Pyanda out then, so what? He's flipped town therefore knows who scum are no better than the rest of us, I don't see what you hope to gain out of this discussion.

    Still thinking Pyanda/Windblown. These posts just come off so forced, if Wind and Pyanda are a team then I'm pretty sure Windblown would have been warning Pyanda against their super cautious play from Matrix and POAMT so that would explain Pyanda being so tryhard.

    I also know how bus averse Pyanda is, even going so far in POAMT (he was the final Vivienne Westwood) as to say Armani and Burberry were cross-bussing and I don't like Pyanda's focus on AJ. Everything fits for a Pyanda/Windblown team for me. The only thing holding me back is AJ's lack of posting, I don't see his lack of posting as scummy but I'm also unable to get a town read on him because of it.

    AJ you were in POAMT endgame and you've also been in all of Pyanda's games although I don't know if you followed Matrix or FAIM after you were lynched/killed but you should have enough knowledge to offer some thoughts on this
     
  38. Windblown

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    the fact is Pyanda has been gradually developing a looser playstyle in general (go see Fire and Ice Mafia where he was scum there, he made some jokey posts in the beginning as well) as compared to his first game where he was super serious. So I don't think you can really say this change in behavior was a result of me, especially since you know I don't really try to touch the playstyles of my partners when I'm scum.

    @Pyanda
    the Fegelein scumread on you was based on your early "hammer" and probably cause he didn't understand you being adamant about your whole group being town because you were named "vanilla group". Also in post 52 I guess he didn't like you being cheeky when in response to his statement of saying "there's one scum in my group" you asked him whether it was aj or himself (leaving yourself out because you know you are town but to his perspective it's just kinda being a jerk).

    also in response to me/Pyanda being a scumteam you are speculating on the interactions we might have in our hypothetical scum QT which is hardly a case to make for two people being scum-aligned

    interesting little tidbit I guess when Fegelein is right it's late-game (Fire and Ice) and when he's wrong it's early-game (lol Great Expectations)
     
  39. Marquis

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    Deadline extended 3 days (Easter weekend).
     
  40. NotMafia

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    I don't see a Nicehat/Windblown team at all so although I was incorrect about this from a set up perspective earlier I do think this is a [Nicehat/Windblown] + [AJ/Pyanda] deal and it's probably either WindPyanda or NicehatAJ.

    Windblown, is your read on Nicehat just PoE due to townreading me or do you have a scum case on Nicehat? I'm gonna need convincing of Nicehat scum I'm afraid