[Adoptable] Bugs

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  1. Roild

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    Don't bump your own theme. Ask or message QC by forum message or on server.
     
  2. Windblown

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    if you want balanced results, your roles2 isn't the way to go about it. the game will swing depending on n1 deaths because each mafia team only has 1 member, rather than if you had 2 strong members on the same side which would force it more into a game of manipulation.

    a miller that ends up as a vengeful isn't a good idea imo. the point of the miller is to provide negative utility for the village to possibly punish them and make sure the inspector isn't 100% correct, not have the miller end up being able to get rid of someone anyways. if I'm reading correctly it looks like the slug doesn't even die unless something kills it, which provides even more unnecessary value to something that was originally a miller. this kinda works in your roles4 but ONLY because there are so many stacked roles in there (1 villager) that the village needs all the help it can get, which I don't really like

    anything higher than that I can't accurately gauge, especially since there aren't any logs of big games anymore (rip mafia activity)
     
  3. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Ok, I can fix that, I'll get to fixing it right now.

    Also, the largest game I think that was played on Bugs was 16? Idk, but yes, rip mafia :[
     
  4. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    ? Doesn't the vengeful dies from poison after the lynching and the use of their kill?
    What do you mean that each mafia team only has 1 member? I thought that on roles2 Arachnids have 2 members: Spider and Tick.
    So what fix did you added Pangaea?
     
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  5. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    "roles2": [
    "villager",
    "snailsmall",
    "mbutterfly",
    "spider",
    "hawk",
    "tick",
    "slugA",
    "oladybug"

    Arachnids has two team members, the spider and the tick. And I can't add another member onto the Bird's team because then they would be way OP. I could replace the Hawk with a Wasp instead, and maybe the slug with a Bee or something? What do you suggest?

    Well the slug's kill can either help or hurt the village depending on who he kills really. Also being a vengeful he dies after the night he was lynched and after he kills someone, just like how the Tarantula worked. And you said the point of the miller is to provide negative utility for the village: well, he is still inspected as a spider, so he still adds this negative utility, and the inspector still sees him as a spider. Also his kill isn't always going to hit a mafia, and he only gains this kill if voted off.
     
  6. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ok let's settle this theme once and for all.
    I have talked with both Windblown and Pangaea about the mafia roles on rolelist2 and it should be alright as it is.
    About the vengeful slug, I don't think it would be such a problem, they don't know to be a slug so they cannot connect until the end, they still have their utility to make lose a vote phase to the village and even if they can kill they can always try to kill a villager.
    On first sight it looks that the balance has got better especially on small games, the only thing that I couldn't check is if the Winged Insect have got better on 10 players and greater games because this month there were too few players to play mafia but I wanna trust you hoping that if in the future we will make you notice that the Winged still need some improvement you will solve it.
    Here my Accept [1]
     
  7. Withoutatrace

    Withoutatrace im a filthy weeb

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    I'm going to go ahead and agree with OTK
    balance is alright throughout, but mafia will have to think a bit and aim there kills in atleast a decent manner imo, which really isn't hard as long as people pay attention(lol).
    I don't know how to feel about the slug...like, it seems that it will just be ultimately up to the player how the role plays out, and that is out of my hands in reviewing a theme, as to how a player will play a role. really outside of that, there doesn't seem much else to heavily critique on that doesn't require gameplay, but at this point, from my standards of a mafia theme, it is up to par
    that and Pangaea bothered the shit out of me the entire time to review this, so I can imagine the theme will be kept up with.
    Accept [2]
     
  8. Windblown

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    my point is that there's really no harm in lynching someone even though they claim miller, because if you're wrong you get a vengeful kill (and this kill is someone the village wants, which is a pretty good utility). in a hypothetical situation when there are two spider inspects, or a situation at LYLO (3 players, like insp + mafia + miller), it's pretty safe to lynch either of them. if you lynch mafia, you win. if you lynch miller, you have them kill the mafia and village wins.

    roles2 is correct yes, I seem to have overlooked a few sides

    but yeah the slug is something I'm pretty adamant about keeping a regular miller
     
  9. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Thank you, Trace! And yeah, sorry for bothering you so much (lol). By the way, you take a pretty long time to eat dinner ;)

    Hm ok I'll try to see what I can do about the slug, but if I'm correct right now you're just suggesting that the miller just stays as a normal miller, correct?
     
  10. Windblown

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    yeah, it's fine as a regular miller, do that and I'll accept [3] - you seem diligent enough to fix suggestions presented to you.
     
  11. Withoutatrace

    Withoutatrace im a filthy weeb

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    I'm going to cut you
    kidding
    just bother the shit out of yourself to keep up the theme now and we're good.
     
  12. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    Closed adoption??

    It's been quite a while since anyone has posted on this thread. If you didn't notice, this theme is up for adoption. I'm going to start working on a new theme, which may take a while, but I'm going to focus my time more on that. I also want to try to focus and making some more updates for Chinchous. If you're interested in adopting this theme, feel free to PM me on the forums (as I seem to be more active here than I am on the actual forums) and I'll pick someone from there.
     
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  13. Shazan

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    Because of its low performance lately this theme has been proposed for this Quality Assurance section
    §3.3- Quality Assurance
    Every month a small group of themes will undergo a quality assurance process. During this process, Reviewers and the current Theme Owner(s) will discuss various aspects of the theme to assure the theme is up to par with current standards and give feedback on ways to improve the theme. While in discussion, the theme will stay enabled on the server to help provide live feedback to various changes. The theme will also be immune from removal for Activity or Quality while undergoing this process. There is no designated selection process or limit but generally the same theme will not undergo this process more than twice a year.
    So @Cheezeburgar @Sky Sentinel @Pandaofazn @Fiery Espeon @EljayQuiz and @Joeypals!! it's time to discuss with @Pangaea about this theme future good luck!
     
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