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  1. C AllStar

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    Amoonguss

    Overview:
    In previous generations, Amoonguss had never been a competitively viable pokemon in Ubers due to its poor stats. However, the new generation XY introduces a new item, Assault Vest, which raises holder's special defense by 50% in exchange of being unable to use any non-damaging move. With its great typing and newfound bulk, Amoonguss is able to wall Kyogre and Xerneas lacking Psyshock and Substitute, two of the major threats in Ubers, completely. Moreover, Regenerator is an incredible ability to pair with Assault Vest, allowing Amooguss to regain health every time its switches out thus giving it longevity to outlast things it is supposed to counter. However, Amoonguss isn't without its shortcomings. The major one being its absolutely crappy offensive presence, allowing dangerous threats like Ho-oh an Yveltal to come in for free. It is also pretty frail on physical side too without an item boost. Despite these shortcomings, Amoonguss has a solid niche as a solid counter of two top offensive threats in the Uber metgame.

    Ass Vest:
    Amoongus @ Assault Vest
    Trait : Regenerator
    EVs : 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 SpA
    Calm Nature
    - Grass Knot
    - Clear Smog
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Foul Play


    The primary aim of this set is to stop Kyogre cold. To give an idea of its bulk, even Modest Specs Koyoge cannot guarantee to 2HKO with Ice Beam. Meanwhile, Amoonguss can just switch out to an appropriate pokemon to take the unSTABed Ice Beam and recover most of its health back thanks to Regenerator. This set also beats any Xerneas set lacking Psyshock and Substitute. With its great special bulk, it can even perform as a decent switch in to Palkia, Dialga and certain special attacking Arceus formes. Assault Vest greatly increases Amoonguss' bulk. Grass Knot is an important move with its ability to 2HKO 4/0 Kyogre. Meanwhile, the general heaviness of the Ubers metagame ensures that Grass Knot hits a significant portion of them pretty hard. Clear Smog, while having low base power, clears all boosts that Geomancy Xerneas could have accumulated. It also allowd Amoonguss to take on CM Kyogre and CM Electric Arceus effectively. Sludge Bomb is a powerful Poison STAB that Guarantees to break Xerneas' substitute before Geomancy, while offering a decent poisoning chance to cripple switch ins. Foul Play is handy to nail Mega Gengar, Mewtwo and powerful physical attackers like Ho-oh, all of which would be problematic otherwise. The EVs simply maximizes Amoonguss' special bulk, allowing it to take hits from special attackers better.

    When using Amoonguss, if Kyogre isn't present in the opposing team, you can switch it into special attackers rather recklessly since even super effective special attacks from powerful Ubers, including Skymin's Air Slash and Palkia's Fire Blast, are unable to 2HKO it. Even more powerful ones like Reshiram's Blue Flare is unable to OHKO it. While Amoonguss is unable to do much back to most of them except for Skymin, it at least acts as a decent pivot to absorb things like Draco Meteor and get some chip damage. Another thing to note is that do not use Amoonguss as the only check to GeoXern as SubGeo and Psyshock variants absolutely wreck it. Be sure to pack a secondary check to it.

    Other Options:
    Amoonguss' movepool is quite barren and lacks options. Spore is a one of the best moves in the game but there isn't a reason to use Amoonguss without Assault Vest in the first place. Giga Drain seems cool as a pseudo recovery move but seriously lacks power to do any damage in Ubers. Hidden Power Fire is usable to lure and deal heavy damage to (Mega) Scizor, Ferrothorn and the rare Forretress but doesn't OHKO any of them. Body Slam can be used for the 30% paralysis rate I guess but it is weak as hell and isn't reliable at all.

    Good Partners and Synergy:
    Amoonguss is one of the best counters of Kyogre and naturally pairs well with Kyogre-weak pokemon. Some examples include Arceus-Rock, which hard counters Ho-oh while checks Yveltal decently for Amoonguss. Landorus-Therian patches up with Amoonguss' weak physical bulk and checks a magnitude of physical attackers including Mega Blaziken, Zekrom etc well. Expert Belt/Scarf Xerneas can lure Ho-oh with Rock Slide while beat Yveltal with relative ease. Scarfed variants can also revenge kill Zekrom and Mewtwo which gives Amoonguss lots of problem. Kyogre has great type synergy with Amoonguss. It can take ice/fire moves aimed at Amoonguss and provides rain to soften fire moves while Amoonguss helps covering its grass/electric weakness. Amoonguss hates burn and the occassional freeze. Without leftovers, it is worn down pretty quickly even factoring in Regenerator. Therefore, Wish and Heal Bell is appreciated. Good examples in Ubers include Xerneas and Sylveon.

    Check and Counters:
    Amoonguss lacks offensive presence and physical bulk and is therefore weak to quite a lot of common pokemon in the tier. Ho-oh is a major one and takes even Foul Play with relative ease and OHKOs back with its STAB moves. Yveltal doesn't takes much from any of its attacks and 2HKOs back with LO Oblivion Wing, recovering any health lost in the process. Due to its poor physical bulk, anything that can hit it on the physical side can 2HKO or OHKO it but many of them doesn't enjoy coming into the wrong move. Better ones include Mega Blaziken, Zekrom and Mega Mewtwo X which doesn't take much from both Grass Knot and Foul Play. Heatran is another thing that takes nothing from Amoonguss' attacks and can hit it super effectively with its fire STAB. Gothitelle, though rare, traps and kills Amoonguss easily.

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    Overview:
    -New generation introduces Assault Vest that makes it viable.
    -Great counter to Kyogre and Xerneas without Substitute and Psyshock.
    -Regenerator pairs perfectly with Assault Vest giving it longevity to outlast things it is supposed to counter.
    -Extremely weak
    -Frail at phyical side
    -Bait to dangerous threats like Ho-oh, Yveltal etc

    Ass Vest
    Amoongus @ Assault Vest
    Trait : Regenerator
    EVs : 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 SpA
    Calm Nature
    - Grass Knot
    - Clear Smog
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Foul Play

    - Full stop to Kyogre.
    - Able to take hits from Arceus formes, Palkia, Dialga etc and Regenerate to recover health
    - Grass Knot 2HKOs Scarfogre and hits the Ubers metagame hard generally thanks to their weight.
    - Clear Smog stops GeoXern on its track while deals with CM Kyogre and CM Electriceus effectively.
    - Sludge Bomb guarantees to break Xerneas' sub before Geomancy while having a nice poison chance.
    - Foul Play nails Mega Gengar, Mewtwo and Ho-oh. Mind that it isn't really powerful without STAB.
    - EVs and natures simply maximizes special bulk.

    Other Options:
    - Spore is nice, but there is no reason to use it in Ubers without Assault Vest.
    - Giga Drain for pseudo recovery, but too weak for Ubers.
    - Hidden Power Fire can lure and deal heavy damage to Scizor, Ferrothorn and the rare Forretress.
    - Body Slam for paralysis?

    Good partners and Synergy:
    - Amoonguss is a support mon and naturally pairs well with Kyogre-weak pokemon.
    - Arceus-Rock hard counters Ho-oh while checks Yveltal decently.
    - Landorus-Therian can check a magnitude of physical attackers like Mega Blaziken, Zekrom etc which gives Amoonguss trouble.
    - Expert Belt / Scarf Xerneas can lure Ho-oh with Rock Slide and kill Yvetal. Scarfed versions also revenges scarf Zekrom and Mewtwo.
    - Kyogre takes fire / ice moves aimed at Amoonguss. In return, Amoonguss helps covering Kyogre's electric / grass weakness.
    - Wish / Heal Bell support is prefered since Amoonguss hates burn and the occassional freeze. It wears down pretty quick otherwise without leftovers even with Regenerator. Good examples include Svyleon and Xerneas.

    Checks and counters:
    - Ho-oh doesn't take much damage from even Foul Play and OHKOs back.
    - Yveltal takes any hit comfortably and 2HKOs with LO Oblivion Wing.
    - Almost any physical attacker can 2HKO or even OHKO it, but do not enjoy coming into the wrong move. Better ones are Mega Blaziken, Mega Mewtwo X and Zekrom which doesn't take much from both Grass Knot and Foul Play.
    - Gothitelle, though rare, traps and kills it easily.
     
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  2. puregenius

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    Qc approved
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  3. C AllStar

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    Thanks

    Should I do the write up now?
     
  4. puregenius

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    I'd wait for the other QC members to approve as well, in the mean time you might wanna expand C&C a little bit, Blaze, Zek, Mewtwo and the like
     
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    I like it. Amoonguss is pretty usable in Ubers being both a Pseudo - Kyogre counter and a Xern counter at the same time.
    I know it's a support mon, but try adding Good partners and synergy.
    And as PG said, you may want to add what physical attackers threaten it the most. Like Mega Blaziken which resists even Foul Play and doesn't take too much damage from everything.

    If that's done, consider QC approved from me :)
     
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    Is good partners and synergy an actual sub section now lol?
     
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    Changes are made. Thanks for the suggestions. I am not sure about the Good Partners and Synergy though. Can anyone kindly give me some suggestions?
     
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    Ramiel On our backs. In our hearts.

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    I think that's actually good enough.
    Mention Kyogre as well since it can tank fire/ice moves aimed at it, while Amoong tanks the grass/elec moves for Ogre.

    With that,

    QC approved!

    @PG

    Well, these analysis are meant to be for teambuilding right? so wynaut? :3
     
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    Thanks for the suggestion and I've done with the changes. QC 2/4 now.
     
  10. ZoroDark

    ZoroDark i know everything

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    Mention Wish/Heal Bell support in team options, because it absolutely despises status and between hazards and the dearth of Lefties, it gets worn down pretty fast even with Regenerator.
    Other than that looks complete.
     
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    Done. Thanks for the comment. But should I specify on the Wish/Heal Bell users even though there aren't much good ones (especially for Wish in Ubers?
     
  12. -Leon-

    -Leon- bae <3

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    Sylveon and Xerneas are good for heal bell/Aromatherapy in Ubers.

    Also, I wonder if HP Fire could be put in OO for being able to catch Scizor off guard.

    4 SpA Amoonguss Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Scizor: 180-216 (52.3 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    4 SpA Amoonguss Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Scizor: 156-184 (45.3 - 53.4%) -- 34% chance to 2HKO
    4 SpA Amoonguss Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Scizor: 120-144 (34.8 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
     
  13. Shadow Sneak

    Shadow Sneak came in like

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    Looks like you didn't miss out on anything

    I guess thats an /approve/
     
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    Looks good, and seeing as how most of our QC has approved of this, go ahead and start the write-up for it.
     
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    Thanks for the comments and approvals. I have made the final change on the heal bell users and mentioned hp fire. I will do the write-up asap.

    Done with write-ups, ready for GCs. Sorry for poor grammar as English isn't my primary language.
     
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    Raducan Well-Known Member

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    This looks pretty solid! Just a couple spelling mistakes I'd fix.

    Regenerator*

    Arceus*

    I would put obviously the key for this set as it greatly increases...

    variants* wreck*

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    Sorry if it looks like I'm nitpicking. That's all the grammar/spelling mistakes I found. The content is pretty solid, so good job on that!
     
  17. Scatterbrain

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    Assault Vest *

    I think you should add that 252 HP / 252 SpDef ASVest can survive Reshiram's Blue Flare, which is pretty impressive. For partners, I suggest adding Kyogre. They cover both of each other's weaknesses very well, and Drizzle can help negate some of the damage he takes from strong Fire types like the aforementioned Resh and Blaziken (it survives Flare Blitz from non-boosted Blaziken in rain).

    The rare Heatran is also a universally good counter, seeing as how it's natural special bulk can take any hits from it. It's immune to one of it's types, and 4x resistant to it's other type.
     
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    Done with all the changes. Thanks for the checks.
     
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    I doubt about mentioning this because even if it survives blue flare, there's nothing Amoongus can do to Reshiram, so you shouldn't be staying in Reshiram anyways.
     
  20. ZoroDark

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    QC 1/3
     
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    approve, QC 2/3
     
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    The author of this analysis is forum banned, so I'm going to lock this and this analysis can be taken over by anyone.
     
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