Rulers (D.A.M.T.)

Discussion in 'Active Themes' started by IceKirby, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. Yentero

    Yentero So na Voadora

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    Hummm, some work but a good idea.
     
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  2. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Well it seems that your theme has been doomed to be reviewed by me.
    Personally i would vote Pro for the sided Historian, but i am not sure for the vulnerability from lynch, because this would mean that during democracy he cannot die unless obviously he can still be lynched instead to become president.

    About the name, it's not really an important matter but i am really sick of Acronym names for mafia themes, so i really hope that some day there will be a cure for this disease that infest this and other themes :rolleyes:

    Just for the fun to post a game log on Colours
    (01:31:34) ±Game: A theme that revolves around government systems. Find the Mafia while the rules that decide who gets the power constantly change! *** [Democracy: Most voted player becomes President, who can give extra powers to other players] [Anarchy: Any player can use any action (only 1 per turn), but with a chance of failing] [Monarchy: A daykiller King is chosen among the villagers whenever the current King dies] [Tyranny: All players can fight to become a Tyrant (gets 1000 votes); when a Tyrant is alive, players can try to steal their position and become the Tyrant themselves]
    (01:31:34) ±Game: Nitrogen, Sugarcube, ingridslove, teamvote train, Matt Ayala, Perspective, SoNaVoadora joined the game!
    (01:31:38) ±Game: Batman joined the game!
    (01:31:40) ±Game: ace joined the game!
    (01:31:44) ±Game: Hurry up, you only have 30 seconds more to join!

    (01:31:45) ace: hope im historian
    (01:31:46) ±Game: Yeesh joined the game!
    (01:31:48) ace: pls
    (01:31:57) Sugarcube: ooooh this looks fun
    (01:32:04) Yeesh: it is
    (01:32:06) ±Game: Windblown joined the game!
    (01:32:08) ingridslove: scary theme
    (01:32:08) ace: yep
    (01:32:08) teamvote train: 22 was lteraly scummy
    (01:32:10) teamvote train: -.
    (01:32:10) ±Game: Zant joined the game!
    (01:32:11) ace: pls
    (01:32:12) teamvote train: -.-
    (01:32:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:14) Times Up! :
    (01:32:14) The Roles have been Decided! :

    (01:32:14) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mayor, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:32:14) ±Current Players: Batman, Matt Ayala, Nitrogen, Perspective, SoNaVoadora, Sugarcube, Windblown, Yeesh, Zant, ace, ingridslove, teamvote train.
    (01:32:14) ±Time: Night 1
    (01:32:14) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (01:32:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:17) Batman: teamvote train
    (01:32:23) teamvote train: He was more scummy than me
    (01:32:28) Matt Ayala: If he was scummy, why not try to call him out [during] that game
    (01:32:30) Batman: maybe you should try to play correctly
    (01:32:33) teamvote train: following to quickly>countering on someone who is going to be voted out
    (01:32:40) Zant: I AM THE TYRANT LEADER
    (01:32:40) ingridslove: h8
    (01:32:45) Perspective: TYRANNY
    (01:32:49) ingridslove: TRANNY
    (01:32:50) Zant: To the mines
    (01:32:51) teamvote train: i never follow the LC
    (01:32:54) teamvote train: you don't have to follow LC
    (01:32:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:54) Times Up! :
    (01:32:54) ±Game: The government system has changed to Tyranny!
    (01:32:54) No one died! :
    (01:32:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:54) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mayor, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:32:54) ±Current Players: Batman, Matt Ayala, Nitrogen, Perspective, SoNaVoadora, Sugarcube, Windblown, Yeesh, Zant, ace, ingridslove, teamvote train.
    (01:32:54) ±Time: Day 1
    (01:32:54) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:32:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:57) teamvote train: enough said
    (01:32:59) Nitrogen: poisoned
    (01:33:02) Perspective: mwahahhahahaa
    (01:33:06) ingridslove: oh no
    (01:33:10) Matt Ayala: the command tyrant doesn't exist
    (01:33:11) Matt Ayala: my arse
    (01:33:11) ace: dont
    (01:33:16) ingridslove: who is the tyrant
    (01:33:19) ace: tyrant
    (01:33:20) Perspective: no 1 is yet
    (01:33:22) Zant: no tyrant yet
    (01:33:23) Nitrogen: prs pm im poisoned villager
    (01:33:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:33:24) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mayor, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:33:24) ±Current Players: Batman, Matt Ayala, Nitrogen, Perspective, SoNaVoadora, Sugarcube, Windblown, Yeesh, Zant, ace, ingridslove, teamvote train.
    (01:33:24) ±Time: Day 1
    (01:33:24) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:33:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:33:24) Perspective: next night
    (01:33:28) Perspective: we all /tyrant
    (01:33:29) ace: do not tyrant
    (01:33:31) Batman: i have a villy
    (01:33:31) Perspective: and Nitrogen that's ridiculous
    (01:33:36) Batman: that inspected me
    (01:33:36) Nitrogen: ??????
    (01:33:39) Batman: prs pm
    (01:33:42) Perspective: you can't expect prs to pm you cause you're poisoned?
    (01:33:47) ±Game: Nitrogen voted for Yeesh!
    (01:33:48) ingridslove: h8
    (01:33:51) ±Game: ingridslove voted for Nitrogen!
    (01:33:51) ace: he will put democracy then u will die
    (01:33:52) ±Game: teamvote train voted for Yeesh!
    (01:33:53) Zant: yessssshhh
    (01:33:53) Nitrogen: someone said hes mafiagoon
    (01:33:54) ±Game: Sugarcube voted for Yeesh!
    (01:33:55) ±Game: Perspective voted for Yeesh!
    (01:33:56) teamvote train: following
    (01:34:01) ±Game: Zant voted for Nitrogen!
    (01:34:02) Perspective: sheeping
    (01:34:02) Yeesh: ok fools
    (01:34:08) ±Game: ace voted for Yeesh!
    (01:34:11) ±Game: Yeesh voted for Nitrogen!
    (01:34:19) ±Game: Windblown voted for Yeesh!
    (01:34:21) Yeesh: im villy
    (01:34:21) ace: rude
    (01:34:21) ±Game: Batman voted for Yeesh!
    (01:34:27) Zant: Yeesh and ingridslove 4 team
    (01:34:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:29) Times Up! :
    (01:34:29) ±Game: Yeesh (Villager) was removed from the game!
    (01:34:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:29) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mayor, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:34:29) ±Current Players: Batman, Matt Ayala, Nitrogen, Perspective, SoNaVoadora, Sugarcube, Windblown, Zant, ace, ingridslove, teamvote train.
    (01:34:29) ±Time: Night 2
    (01:34:29) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:34:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:31) ingridslove: lies
    (01:34:32) Zant: o
    (01:34:34) Batman: ok
    (01:34:35) teamvote train: Nitrogen
    (01:34:36) teamvote train: your source
    (01:34:37) Sugarcube: whoever said goon
    (01:34:38) Batman: Nitrogen
    (01:34:42) Nitrogen: Zant is historian
    (01:34:43) teamvote train: is scum
    (01:34:47) teamvote train: oh cool ww/goon
    (01:34:58) Nitrogen: im neighbour i greeted him and he gretted me back
    (01:34:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:59) Times Up! :
    (01:34:59) ±Kill: Sugarcube (Villager) died!
    (01:34:59) ±Kill: SoNaVoadora (Mayor) died!
    (01:34:59) ±Kill: Nitrogen (Mafia Goon) died!
    (01:34:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:59) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Mafia Goon, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:34:59) ±Current Players: Batman, Matt Ayala, Perspective, Windblown, Zant, ace, ingridslove, teamvote train.
    (01:34:59) ±Time: Day 2
    (01:34:59) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:35:00) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:01) Windblown: no inspector tho
    (01:35:05) Matt Ayala: i couldn't tyrant?
    (01:35:07) Windblown: o lol nitro was mafia
    (01:35:07) ace: so
    (01:35:16) ingridslove: ook
    (01:35:16) Zant: huehue
    (01:35:22) ingridslove: y no tyrant?
    (01:35:24) Matt Ayala: Well, I'm poisoned too.
    (01:35:25) ace: gg
    (01:35:28) Batman: ok
    (01:35:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:29) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Mafia Goon, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:35:29) ±Current Players: Batman, Matt Ayala, Perspective, Windblown, Zant, ace, ingridslove, teamvote train.
    (01:35:29) ±Time: Day 2
    (01:35:29) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:35:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:31) Zant: hella monarchy imo
    (01:35:32) Matt Ayala: Neighbour and Bodyguard should PM.
    (01:35:35) Batman: pming neighbour
    (01:35:39) Windblown: remember the last time we PM'd someone
    (01:35:47) Matt Ayala: Ah, yeah.
    (01:35:50) Windblown: anyways I have neighbour
    (01:35:51) ingridslove: pming my role to Windblown
    (01:35:55) teamvote train: ok so
    (01:35:56) teamvote train: Matt Ayala
    (01:35:58) teamvote train: the last time
    (01:35:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:59) Times Up! :
    (01:35:59) No one was voted off!:

    (01:35:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:59) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Mafia Goon, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:35:59) ±Current Players: Batman, Matt Ayala, Perspective, Windblown, Zant, ace, ingridslove, teamvote train.
    (01:35:59) ±Time: Night 3
    (01:36:00) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:36:00) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:36:00) teamvote train: we did that
    (01:36:00) Windblown: if BG trusts me I'll rand
    (01:36:01) ace: im good
    (01:36:02) Windblown: if not then w/e
    (01:36:02) teamvote train: something bad happen
    (01:36:06) teamvote train: a villager got randed
    (01:36:08) teamvote train: *gasp*
    (01:36:13) Matt Ayala: >the command coup doesn't exist
    (01:36:18) Matt Ayala: gonna try and tyrant
    (01:36:21) teamvote train: because no tyrant
    (01:36:22) Matt Ayala: inb4 i become
    (01:36:22) teamvote train: duh
    (01:36:26) Matt Ayala: shhh
    (01:36:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:36:29) Times Up! :
    (01:36:29) ±Kill: teamvote train (Mafia Goon) died!
    (01:36:29) ±Game: A new Tyrant has emerged!
    (01:36:29) ±Kill: Matt Ayala (Villager) died!
    (01:36:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:36:30) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:36:30) ±Current Players: Batman, Perspective, Windblown, Zant, ace, ingridslove.
    (01:36:30) ±Time: Day 3
    (01:36:30) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:36:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:36:37) ace: what
    (01:36:42) Windblown: ok I have a 'clean villager' PM
    (01:36:54) ace: batman
    (01:36:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:36:59) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:36:59) ±Current Players: Batman, Perspective, Windblown, Zant, ace, ingridslove.
    (01:36:59) ±Time: Day 3
    (01:36:59) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:36:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:37:00) ingridslove: ook
    (01:37:03) Windblown: need BG
    (01:37:07) Windblown: also I have tyrant
    (01:37:08) Windblown: lol
    (01:37:09) ±Dratini: jewlianna pascuta was mysteriously kicked by Mahnmut!
    (01:37:12) ace: im onther villager
    (01:37:18) ±Game: Perspective voted for Batman!
    (01:37:21) Perspective: I am L
    (01:37:24) Windblown: you
    (01:37:24) Perspective: I sentence you to death
    (01:37:24) Windblown: wat
    (01:37:25) ±Game: ace voted for Batman!
    (01:37:28) ±Game: Batman voted for Perspective!
    (01:37:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:37:35) Times Up! :
    (01:37:35) ±Game: Batman (Villager) was removed from the game!
    (01:37:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:37:35) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Historian, Neighbour, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:37:35) ±Current Players: Perspective, Windblown, Zant, ace, ingridslove.
    (01:37:36) ±Time: Night 4
    (01:37:36) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:37:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:37:39) ingridslove: ook
    (01:37:39) ace: im the other villager
    (01:37:42) Perspective: wow Windblown
    (01:37:49) Windblown: (16:36) Windblown: batman is allegedly clean
    (01:37:50) Windblown: ????
    (01:37:55) Zant: go wild kids
    (01:37:58) ingridslove: protercting perspective
    (01:38:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:05) Times Up! :
    (01:38:06) ±Kill: ingridslove (Bodyguard) died!
    (01:38:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:06) ±Current Roles: Historian, Neighbour, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:38:06) ±Current Players: Perspective, Windblown, Zant, ace.
    (01:38:06) ±Time: Day 4
    (01:38:06) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:38:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:09) Perspective: poisoned
    (01:38:16) Perspective: ace you are villager right?
    (01:38:22) ace: yes
    (01:38:23) Windblown: nah I'm villager
    (01:38:25) ace: why
    (01:38:33) ace: no ur not
    (01:38:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:35) ±Current Roles: Historian, Neighbour, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:38:35) ±Current Players: Perspective, Windblown, Zant, ace.
    (01:38:35) ±Time: Day 4
    (01:38:35) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:38:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:36) ace: I am
    (01:38:38) Windblown: no
    (01:38:42) ±Game: Windblown voted for ace!
    (01:38:49) ±Game: Zant voted for ace!
    (01:38:51) Perspective: ace doesn't know how to lieish
    (01:38:53) ±Game: Perspective voted for Windblown!
    (01:38:56) ±Game: ace voted for Windblown!
    (01:38:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:56) Times Up! :
    (01:38:56) ±Game: Windblown (Werewolf) was removed from the game!
    (01:38:56) ±Game: The Good People (Perspective, ace and Zant) wins!
    (01:38:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:58) Windblown: yeah lol
    (01:39:01) ace: lol
     
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  3. Trolls

    Trolls Active Member

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    I don't really like the anarchy system in the game as I feel that the additional actions have a higher % of working. Yesterday I was poisoned once (in one game) and another one in the game right after, I also had my kill2 work in the same game...
     
  4. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Most of the extra actions added during Anarchy has from 5 to 20% chance of working (and only a few get 20%). PRs and Mafia still have their normal actions with a high chance of working, but other actions with low chances.
    Also, remember that Werewolf can poison, so it's quite possible one or both of those times you got poisoned was by him.

    If I change Historian to only win with 2 sides per form, I would need to give it some vulnerability, or the 3rd side would simply be completely unable to win until Historian changes forms. If I made it vulnerable to nightkills it would die too easily, if it was to poison it would benefit mostly the WW, if it was daykill it would only work during Monarchy and Democracy.
    If I made it vulnerable to lynch, it would definitely die normally during Democracy, but it would also have its normal vote restored so it would be able to pass as a villager.
    Also, I could give it a delayed lynch to allow Historian to change the system one last time before dying.

    Acronyms are not a bad thing, as long as they are used moderately. I doubt anyone would want to type /start final fantasy or attack on titan all the time, so acronyms there are important. What would be bad is if people wanted to shorten names like Elements or Kirby, or on situations like on a theme posted on Theme Critique, where the theme was based on Dora the Explorer and named simply Dora, but someone suggested it as DtE.

    tl;dr: Acronyms are OK if the name really cannot be made short.
     
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  5. Sky Sentinel

    Sky Sentinel You see?

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    This theme is totally better than I expected and it totally works. As boring as you'd think it would be to be a role with no vote and no actions who can't die, it's pretty fun to try to cause as Historian. All of the systems are pretty well explained and easy to understand, and they all work as they should. Every mode brings a new level of strategy and fun and even chaos to the game. It's just enough chaos to add to the level of enjoyment but not enough to make it confusing. I'd say this theme totally deserves an approve [1]

    Also, Historian should remain as is. Permanent conspirator. Hey, it's a village idiot without the idot. It's fine.
     
  6. Roild

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    I would still like to see Historian unable to vote at all. Not 0 votes, incapable of voting at all. Following shows how I led a vote because no one had info. As historian, I shouldn't be part of who gets out (although I can talk about it) since a historian isn't part of history itself (which is kind of why he's fine as full consp).

    Theme looks good otherwise, holds a unique mechanic which is accepted by people. All I want is a reason why historian's vote should be seen (even as 0) instead of just not appearing.


    (12:38:41) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (12:38:41) ±Game: You are the Historian! [Current mode: Anarchy](12:38:41) ±Game: As someone who studies the political history, you have been given the duty of keeping the government systems under control, allowing you to use /democracy, /monarchy or /tyranny to change the current system. Your vote counts as 0, but you are immune to everything and wins with everyone!(12:38:41) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.(12:38:41) ±Current Players: Kutzuxyz, Not-Sci-Fi, Pangaea, Roild, Thomas Sutter, WinRAR1.0, ultimatedeath10.(12:38:41) ±Current Team: Historian(12:38:41) ±Time: Night 1(12:38:41) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (12:38:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:38:41) Duokles left the channel.

    (12:38:46) Roild: oooh(12:38:51) Roild: I am historian. >:O(12:38:53) Not-Sci-Fi: tyranny(12:38:55) ±Dratini: guest10099 was muted by sulcata for 1 hour! [Reason: Spam] [Channel: Tohjo Falls](12:38:59) ±Game: You have chosen to tyranny Roild!(12:39:05) Roild: I'm gonna choose my favorite one(12:39:11) WinRAR1.0: all hail overlord Roild(12:39:16) Kutzuxyz: Roild must be skum(12:39:21) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:39:21) Times Up! :
    (12:39:21) ±Kill: Kutzuxyz (Villager) died!(12:39:21) ±Game: You are the Historian! [Current mode: Tyranny](12:39:21) ±Game: As someone who studies the political history, you have been given the duty of keeping the government systems under control, allowing you to use /democracy, /anarchy or /monarchy to change the current system. Your vote counts as 0, but you are immune to everything and wins with everyone!(12:39:21) ±Game: The government system has changed to Tyranny!(12:39:21) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:39:21) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager.(12:39:21) ±Current Players: Not-Sci-Fi, Pangaea, Roild, Thomas Sutter, WinRAR1.0, ultimatedeath10.(12:39:21) ±Current Team: Historian(12:39:21) ±Time: Day 1(12:39:21) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (12:39:21) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:39:25) ishan the ruler joined the channel.

    (12:39:26) Roild: Tyrant Roild
    (12:39:32) Kutzuxyz left the channel.

    (12:39:32) WinRAR1.0: i'm happy he died
    (12:39:35) ishan the ruler left the channel.

    (12:39:38) WinRAR1.0: no one calls Roild skum(12:39:51) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:39:51) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager.(12:39:51) ±Current Players: Not-Sci-Fi, Pangaea, Roild, Thomas Sutter, WinRAR1.0, ultimatedeath10.(12:39:51) ±Current Team: Historian(12:39:51) ±Time: Day 1(12:39:51) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (12:39:51) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:39:59) ultimatedeath10: Isn't it spelled Scum(12:40:07) Roild: no u(12:40:09) ±Game: Roild voted for Not-Sci-Fi!
    (12:40:12) Bart. changed names and is now known as Bartholomew Simpson.

    (12:40:12) Roild: wheeeee(12:40:16) ±Game: Pangaea voted for Not-Sci-Fi!(12:40:20) ±Game: WinRAR1.0 voted for Pangaea!(12:40:20) ±Game: Thomas Sutter voted for Not-Sci-Fi!(12:40:21) ±Game: ultimatedeath10 voted for Not-Sci-Fi!(12:40:25) WinRAR1.0: i tried(12:40:25) Not-Sci-Fi: Neighbour out(12:40:28) Not-Sci-Fi: Neeeeeigh(12:40:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:40:29) Times Up! :
    (12:40:29) ±Game: Not-Sci-Fi (Neighbour) was removed from the game!(12:40:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:40:29) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Villager, Villager, Villager.(12:40:29) ±Current Players: Pangaea, Roild, Thomas Sutter, WinRAR1.0, ultimatedeath10.(12:40:29) ±Current Team: Historian(12:40:29) ±Time: Night 2(12:40:29) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (12:40:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:40:37) WinRAR1.0: and we lost(12:40:42) Roild: no u(12:40:44) Roild: I won(12:40:44) Thomas Sutter: not really(12:40:50) Roild: 2v2 though(12:40:51) WinRAR1.0: except if we get tyrant(12:40:52) Roild: so yarly(12:40:55) Roild: I think(12:40:57) Roild: idk(12:40:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:40:59) Times Up! :
    (12:40:59) ±Kill: Thomas Sutter (Villager) died!(12:40:59) ±Game: A new Tyrant has emerged!(12:40:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:40:59) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Villager, Villager.(12:40:59) ±Current Players: Pangaea, Roild, WinRAR1.0, ultimatedeath10.(12:40:59) ±Current Team: Historian(12:40:59) ±Time: Day 2(12:40:59) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (12:40:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:41:08) WinRAR1.0: so who is villy(12:41:10) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (12:41:10) ±Role: Tyrant(12:41:10) ±Ability: Vote counts as 1000 (in addition to role's normal abilities).(12:41:10) ±Players: Any player that successfully /coup the current Tyrant or uses /tyrant during Tyranny mode.(12:41:10) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (12:41:11) Pangaea: I am(12:41:16) Pangaea: but not tyrant :[(12:41:19) WinRAR1.0: ultimatedeath10 claim(12:41:27) Pangaea: ultimatedeath10 what are you(12:41:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:41:29) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Villager, Villager.(12:41:29) ±Current Players: Pangaea, Roild, WinRAR1.0, ultimatedeath10.(12:41:29) ±Current Team: Historian(12:41:29) ±Time: Day 2(12:41:29) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (12:41:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:41:30) Roild: New tyrant. >:O
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    (12:41:34) ultimatedeath10: what is claim??(12:41:40) WinRAR1.0: ...(12:41:40) ±Game: Pangaea voted for ultimatedeath10!(12:41:42) Pangaea: ok you're mafia(12:41:44) Pangaea: gg(12:41:45) ±Game: WinRAR1.0 voted for Pangaea!(12:41:47) WinRAR1.0: fck you(12:41:47) WinRAR1.0: get out(12:41:52) WinRAR1.0: 420 blaze it(12:41:54) Pangaea: >;O(12:41:57) ±Game: ultimatedeath10 voted for Pangaea!
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    (12:42:00) Pangaea: fine(12:42:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:42:04) Times Up! :
    (12:42:04) ±Game: Pangaea (Mafia Goon) was removed from the game!(12:42:04) ±Game: The Good People (ultimatedeath10, Roild and WinRAR1.0) wins!

    Oh man, I just noticed how it's all scrunched up. :/
     
  7. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Historian's voting ability will be kept if I change the Historian to having some vulnerability (which would force the player to try to conceal itself, so having a vote would be important). If I keep it as an immortal role, I will give it noVote.

    This is the most important concern I have about this theme. It's been quite controversial so far, as some people think it's funnier as it is now, although the Historian just being alive can greatly impact the balance on some systems. I'd like any feedback/review from now on to give opinions on this matter (more details on the first post).

    BTW, I've been keeping the Concerns section on the first post updated. I still need opinions on most of those topics.
     
  8. NotMafia

    NotMafia Miltank: Destroyer of Souls

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    I think Historian is fine how it is. I don't really think Historian leading votes is that big a problem
     
  9. Roild

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    I think Historian voting /as it is now/ goes against the flavor of the theme. But, if Historian were inside of the mix and messing with history as he goes (I'd imagine time traveler or a hero at the time who's just doing what he does), then I do see the point of him voting and bringing chaos/peace wherever he goes.

    Now since this is one of Rice's concerns, it really depends if he wants Historian to be after the events of the game and sort of reading history while it gets played out for everyone (and he'd be consp) or if he is in the fray and actively affecting things where he is a hero to some and a villain to others. -- This is just flavor so far.

    During a monarchy, the only thing I could imagine is the Monarch can get knights or something. Knighting people.

    President should be basic 'protect the president'. Villagers could gain a 1x 50% protect?

    On historian, I believe it would be best as the former I mentioned. Just reading history and not participating as much. Although if you choose to make it active, that may not be a bad thing. He definitely will have attempts on his life (maybe even die on nights he wants to switch phases) but that's just part of the risk of doing that format.

    Name and basic flavor is fine. You could just change some names in some phases now. Nothing big.

    Approve [[]2[]]
     
  10. NotMafia

    NotMafia Miltank: Destroyer of Souls

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    Maybe I've just been lucky with when I've played this theme but people seem to actually work as a team well regardless of historian in my experience. Plus, Historian can still verbally lead votes even if they don't have the ability to actually place a vote
     
  11. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ok.
    The theme actually works well as it is now and people seems to enjoy it.
    I still personally think that any player needs to have some sort of risk when playing mafia and this is why i am against Historian as it is now, but people seems to like it even as it is now so as QC reviewer i cannot say anything against it.
    I give it an approve [3]
    Later i will try to give some new suggestion for your concerns.
     
  12. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I don't think Historian was ever stated to only register history. Of course, the name may give that vibe, but that was just what most people assumed :x

    No, this is not just a matter of flavor. It directly impacts the balance of the game. Monarchy makes village too strong. Democracy makes village too weak. The idea of making Historian only win with 2 sides per form (and, as a consequence, being vulnerable to lynch) is meant to balance that.
    If the issue is flavour, I could simply rename Historian to something that wouldn't sound so out of the picture.

    Too similar to Democracy, and that would only make village even stronger than they already are during Monarchy.

    I'd rather have either an evasion or no protection at all. Giving that power to villagers will make Democracy even more complicated than already is.

    I agree with both your points (the risk part and that people seem to like it as it is), but IMO you can say something against it if you feel it will make the theme better.

    I know I could simply test the other format, but I know from experience how hard is to deal with players when you constantly change critical aspects of the theme like this one, so I'm trying to be cautious here.
     
  13. NotMafia

    NotMafia Miltank: Destroyer of Souls

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    With random spawn you could put a test version in and the regular version, it will just have to be made clear in the help message of the test version
     
  14. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Lolno, that would be a terrible idea. Not even being able to know which version will come is going to make any test held way too ineffective and will only get the players confused.
     
  15. NotMafia

    NotMafia Miltank: Destroyer of Souls

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    lol you could give it a different name and even put in the help message to post logs from that game, I don't think people will get that confused
     
  16. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    This is officially approved, right? Someone should move to the proper section.

    Also, the stuff on the "Concerns" section at the first post are still open to discussion, regardless of the theme being approved already or not. If you have some suggestion regarding any of those points, I'd love to hear them.

    BTW, I was re-reading my notes and noticed how the prototype name for the theme was 'Rulers'. What do you guys think?
     
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  17. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Well, every government type has some sort of Ruler, so as flavour name it works and as I already say i think that a name is more appropriate then an achronym if possible because is more easy to people to associate a real name then a group of letters.
    So for me the name "Rulers" rules ^^.
     
  18. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    This game maybe gives a point why Historian shouldn't be able to win with mafia in all the government system. I mean on 6 players games if Historian choose democracy and mafia doesn't waste their kill on historian, then mafia has already win because he cannot be voted out and can kill the president meanwhile they are electing a minister like it happened down there and automatically win because Historian will be considered as part of the mafia team for the game system.
    (16:21:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:21:53) Times Up! :
    (16:21:53) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (16:21:53) ±Game: You are a Villager! [Current mode: Anarchy]
    (16:21:53) ±Game: You can use /poison, /kill, /distract, /protect or /inspect (only 1 of those) during the night, but with a high chance of failing (your chances are slightly better with kill).
    (16:21:53) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (16:21:53) ±Current Players: PirateKingLuffy, SkarmyPiesss, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, miku96, obey to kyubey.
    (16:21:53) ±Current Team: Neighbour, Villager, Villager, Villager
    (16:21:53) ±Time: Night 1
    (16:21:53) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (16:21:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:22:02) SkarmyPiesss: villy here
    (16:22:02) ±Game: You have chosen to distract White Kyurem!
    (16:22:05) PirateKingLuffy: villy
    (16:22:07) SkarmyPiesss: ;kill miku96
    (16:22:07) obey to kyubey: villain
    (16:22:08) SkarmyPiesss: oops
    (16:22:10) miku96: not again
    (16:22:11) Yuzuki Kanra: villy
    (16:22:11) PirateKingLuffy: lol
    (16:22:22) obey to kyubey: protecting miku96
    (16:22:25) miku96: tq :D
    (16:22:30) ±Game: You have chosen to protect miku96!
    (16:22:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:22:33) Times Up! :
    (16:22:33) ±Game: You couldn't protect this night!
    (16:22:33) ±Kill: PirateKingLuffy (Neighbour) died!
    (16:22:33) ±Game: You are a Villager! [Current mode: Democracy]
    (16:22:33) ±Game: Vote during the day to elect a new President.
    (16:22:33) ±Game: The government system has changed to Democracy!
    (16:22:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:22:33) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (16:22:33) ±Current Players: SkarmyPiesss, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, miku96, obey to kyubey.
    (16:22:33) ±Current Team: Villager, Villager, Villager
    (16:22:33) ±Time: Day 1
    (16:22:33) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (16:22:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:22:49) Yuzuki Kanra: well...
    (16:22:51) miku96: that neighbour lol
    (16:22:51) *** obey to kyubey for president.
    (16:23:00) Yuzuki Kanra: :\
    (16:23:00) SkarmyPiesss: SkarmPiss for President 2016
    (16:23:03) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:23:03) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (16:23:03) ±Current Players: SkarmyPiesss, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, miku96, obey to kyubey.
    (16:23:03) ±Current Team: Villager, Villager, Villager
    (16:23:03) ±Time: Day 1
    (16:23:03) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (16:23:03) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:23:04) Yuzuki Kanra: lol
    (16:23:09) SkarmyPiesss: heil skarmpiss, sieg heil mein führer
    (16:23:16) SkarmyPiesss: ./vote miku96
    (16:23:17) obey to kyubey: how much cookies do you offer SkarmyPiesss ?
    (16:23:19) miku96: -_-
    (16:23:23) ±Game: obey to kyubey voted for SkarmyPiesss!
    (16:23:24) SkarmyPiesss: 69 :)
    (16:23:27) SkarmyPiesss: :(
    (16:23:31) SkarmyPiesss: im just a villy :(
    (16:23:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:23:33) Times Up! :
    (16:23:33) ±Game: SkarmyPiesss will be the new President from now on!
    (16:23:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:23:33) ±Current Roles: Historian, Mafia Goon, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (16:23:33) ±Current Players: SkarmyPiesss, White Kyurem, Yuzuki Kanra, miku96, obey to kyubey.
    (16:23:33) ±Current Team: Villager, Villager, Villager
    (16:23:33) ±Time: Night 2
    (16:23:33) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (16:23:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:23:39) Yuzuki Kanra: :/
    (16:23:40) SkarmyPiesss: lolwat
    (16:24:00) obey to kyubey: Now i want my 69 cookies
    (16:24:03) ***************************************************************************************
    (16:24:03) Times Up! :
    (16:24:03) ±Kill: SkarmyPiesss (Villager) died!
    (16:24:03) ±Game: The Mafia (White Kyurem and miku96) wins!
    (16:24:03) ±Game: The Good People (obey to kyubey and Yuzuki Kanra) lose!
    (16:24:03) ***************************************************************************************
    Here this game Readlog, I am not sure if Historian can become a minister and if the ministers are VcLr roles, but if I understand it more or less, even if the president elected a villager as minister there is only a random chance that this villager becomes some sort of killer that can compensate the absence of lack of lynching during democracy right? or on 6 players all the villager when becomes ministers are able to kill?
    (17:00:04) *** ::: ::: Log for DAMT-themed mafia game ::: ::: ***
    (17:00:04) Players: White Kyurem (Mafia Goon), obey to kyubey (Villager), PirateKingLuffy (Neighbour), miku96 (Historian), Yuzuki Kanra (Villager), SkarmyPiesss (Villager)
    (17:00:04) *** NIGHT PHASE 1 ***
    (17:00:04) obey to kyubey used: /distract White Kyurem, /protect miku96
    (17:00:04) White Kyurem used: /kill PirateKingLuffy, /kill2 SkarmyPiesss
    (17:00:04) SkarmyPiesss used: /inspect White Kyurem
    (17:00:04) miku96 used: /democracy miku96
    (17:00:04) Yuzuki Kanra used: /kill PirateKingLuffy
    (17:00:04) PirateKingLuffy used: /greet miku96
    (17:00:04) *** STANDBY PHASE 1 ***
    (17:00:04) *** VOTING PHASE 1 ***
    (17:00:04) obey to kyubey used: /vote SkarmyPiesss
    (17:00:04) *** NIGHT PHASE 2 ***
    (17:00:04) White Kyurem used: /kill SkarmyPiesss
    (17:00:04) SkarmyPiesss used: /justice miku96
    (17:00:04) *** GAME END ***
    (17:00:04) Winners: Mafia (White Kyurem and miku96)
    (17:00:04) Losers: obey to kyubey and Yuzuki Kanra
     
  19. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Historian cannot become President or Minister, and Ministers with are VCLR if they have the appropriate ability.

    Yeah, I still agree with that point of view, but I'm still hesitant to change it because the current version got a high acceptance rate among the players, so I fear that changing it would take away the interest from players.
    In any case, a problem I see there is that Democracy is far too hard for village regardless of Historian. I may need to really give President a 1-shot bulletproof vest, and possibly make it easier for village to get killing abilities.
     
  20. Pangaea

    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    I believe this was suggested before, but for a name, how about Utopia? It's basically a government that meets everybody's needs and everyone lives happily. IMO it works since the government types are changed to meet the needs of all, as everyone has their favorite government.
     
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    Dystopia* Opposite concept, same result, works better.
     
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    There are three types of ministries: Health, Justice, and Education. Well, to get a confirmed way of village removing mafia, you should give the ministers abilities according to their names instead of past role. Minister of Health would always get a protection ability (protect, safeguard, shield), Minister of Justice would get a vigilante of sorta (kill or kill2, poison or poison2, and a day kill every other day), and Minister of Health would be a "support" role (Inspector, Tracker, Watcher).
     
  23. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I finally decided to make that major change that was discussed here: Historian is not a full conspirator anymore. They only win with 2 of the other sides, depending on the current system:
    Democracy: Wins with Village or Werewolf
    Monarchy: Wins with Mafia or Werewolf
    Tyranny: Wins with Village or Mafia
    Anarchy: Wins with anyone.

    This change has also brought some other modifications:
    -Historian is not immune to everything anymore: Historian can be poisoned or lynched now.
    -Historian can vote normally again, with a vote of 1.
    -Historian only evades 2 nightkills during Anarchy.
    -Werewolf has a about 30% more chance of becoming Tyrants than other roles;

    Also, I tweak the spawn a bit (Inspector come earlier) and made it so players know which powers they can receive during Democracy.

    I still have another change that I plan on doing soon: Having poison, kill and daykill appearing more often for village-sided Ministers during Democracy.
     
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    Pangaea resto en peaco

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    So if Historian is lynched day one, the game is stuck in Anarchy? I'm not sure about that. How about making Historian still unable to be lynched but can be poisoned?
     
  25. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Game begins with a random format now. And even then, Historian can change the system N1.
    Historian immune to lynch will not work with the "Win with 2 sides" system. All sides must have a viable way to get rid of Historian, since that can now be used for strategical purposes (lock game in a format more benefical to your side), which wouldn't be possible if Historian was only susceptible to poison (very few roles can poison).
     
  26. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Thanks, thanks, thanks and again thanks. I really hoped to see this change from the first time that I saw historian.
    Right now I have no idea if this change is here to stay or if you will decide to return to the old version if the change is not appreciated by the community, but I am happy that you decided to try if it works in the end.
    At the first occasion I will try your new updates good job.