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  1. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Democracy, Anarchy, Monarchy or Tyranny
    Which side will you choose?
    Just kidding, you can't actually choose

    I present you my newest theme: DAMT: Democracy, Anarchy, Monarchy or Tyranny? (name not definitive)

    Code: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10065307/Mafia/DAMT.js (warning: code is currently 21544 lines long)
    Additional parameters file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10065307/Mafia/DAMTSummary.js (this file is used with a script to generate the full code; Use this one to review messages and stuff)

    This theme actually features 4 themes in one: there are 4 government systems that can change thorough the game, completely changing the rules of the game. A conspirator role (Historian) is the responsible for deciding when a new system should come. When a new system is implemented, almost everything brought by the previous system is left behind.

    Government Systems:
    -Anarchy: The starting system, no one here holds the power. As a consequence, everyone can use any action they want (only 1 per night), but that will have a high chance of failing.
    -Democracy: While on this mode, the normal voting phase is replaced with a Trust-style vote where players can vote to choose who will be the President. The President is able to give extra powers, divided into 3 categories (Health, Education and Justice) to other players. This system is unique compared to the others because the power given by the President will be remembered even if the system changes and come back later (but only while it's Democracy).
    -Monarchy: A relatively normal mode where most roles only have their standard powers, but a Villager is chosen by god to become the King, which gives them a concealed daykill action. If the King dies, another Villager will inherit the crown and become a the King.
    -Tyranny: In addition to their normal abilities, all players begin this mode with a /tyrant action that has a high chance of failing. Whenever someone successfully uses it, they will become a Tyrant, which will have their original powers and 1000 votes, while all other players will be able to use a /coup action that only works on the Tyrant to take over and become the new Tyrant. If the Tyrant dies, the /tyrant command comes back for everyone.

    Yes, this concept was heavily inspired by the tug-of-war between Anarchy and Democracy at TPP.

    Basic Roles:
    Roles in this theme are really simple to compensate for four different systems.
    The actions listed here are the abilities each role will have at any time, regardless of the current system.
    Village
    -Villager: No actions. Can become the King during Monarchy.
    -Miller: Inspected as Mafia Goon. Sees itself as Villager. Can become the King during Monarchy.
    -Bodyguard: Can protect.
    -Mayor: 2 votes.
    -Inspector: Can inspect.
    -Vigilante: Can nightkill.
    -Distractor: Can distract every 2 nights.
    -Neighbour: Can reveal itself to another player.

    Mafia
    -Mafia Goon: Shares a nightkill with other Goons.
    -Mafia Boss: Shares a nightkill and a distract with other Bosses. Inspected as Villager.

    Werewolf
    -Werewolf: Nightkill (not shared). Poison (shared). Immune to distraction.

    Historian
    -Historian: An invincible conspirator. Can change the current system to Democracy, Anarchy, Monarchy or Tyranny. After changing the system once, will have to wait for 2 turns to change it again.

    Special Roles:
    Democracy
    -President: Any player can become a President by being the most voted during the Democracy. A President keeps their original powers, and can also nominate other players to the Ministry of Health, Education or Justice. A President keeps its mandate until another player is voted (President cannot be voted again, since they have a -2000 voteshield).
    -Ministry of Health: A player nominated by the President will receive an extra power according to their role. That power is kept even if the player becomes the President later. If Democracy is put off, the power will be disabled until Democracy comes back. If the player is nominated to another Ministry, they will lose their abilities related to the Ministry of Health and gain abilities related to their new Ministry. The abilities that can be received by a player nominated to the Ministry of Health, as well as which role receives which power, are the following:
    • Protect (every 2 nights): Mafia Goon, Bodyguard (as protect2), Vigilante
    • Poison: Werewolf, Inspector, Distractor
    • Night Kill (every 2 nights): Mafia Boss (as kill2), Mayor, Neighbour
    -Ministry of Education: Same as above. The abilities that can be received by a player nominated to the Ministry of Education, as well as which role receives which power, are the following:
    • Extra Vote: Werewolf, Mayor (vote will be 3), Vigilante
    • Inspect (every 2 nights): Mafia Boss, Bodyguard, Neighbour
    • Distract: Mafia Goon, Inspector, Distractor (as distract2)
    -Ministry of Justice: Same as above. The abilities that can be received by a player nominated to the Ministry of Justice, as well as which role receives which power, are the following:
    • Bomb (against night and day kills): Mafia Boss, Bodyguard, Neighbour
    • Daykill (every 2 turns): Werewolf, Inspector, Distractor
    • Stalk: Mafia Goon, Mayor, Vigilante
    -Villagers and Miller, when nominated to a Ministry, will receive one of the powers above "randomly" (it's not really random, but players will be unable to predict it since they are basically mixed).

    Monarchy
    -King: Can daykill without revealing itself. Cannot be protected (since King will always be sided with village).
    -Villager: When the King dies, another Villager will be "randomly" chosen as the next King (again, not random, villagers have an order to decide which one will become King, but it's invisible to players).

    Tyranny
    -Normal Role: While no Tyrant is around, all players can use /tyrant to try to become the Tyrant. /tyrant has a high chance of failing (over 90%), but when someone manages to hit it, they will become the Tyrant and make all other players into "Oppressed" roles. Note that the Tyrant is not revealed when the player becomes them.
    -Oppressed: All players except the Tyrant will have a /coup action. This action has a high chance of failing (85%), and only works on the Tyrant. When someone successfully hit the Tyrant with that, they will become the new Tyrant, while the former Tyrant will become an Oppressed role.
    -Tyrant: In addition to their normal powers, the Tyrant gets 1000 votes. If killed, all Oppressed players will become Normal Role players again.

    Anarchy
    -Anyone: Village players receive a set of 4 or 5 commands. From that set, they can use 1 per night, with a high chance of failing, except for Power Roles (their original power is part of the set, but will have a low chance of failing). Mafia and Werewolf can still use their original powers without chance of failing or cancelling other commands, and they get a set of 4 commands that can be used in addition to their normal abilities.
    -Powers: Powers received during Anarchy, as well as the chance of failing, will vary according to the role. The powers available are protect, distract, inspect, poison, kill, kill2, poison2 and greet.
    -Chance: Except for Mafia/Werewolf's original powers, all powers have a chance of failing. Players are told which of those actions they will have a better (even if slightly) chance of using.

    Strategies and Gameplay:
    -Democracy: Since anyone can become the President, players should pay attention to who receives a power from who. If you find out a Mafia was elected President, it's quite possible they tried to buff their team to get an advantage. By the same logic, they could try to give powers to village players to gain their trust/frame other players.
    -Anarchy: Strategy in Anarchy? Preposterous!
    -Tyranny: As with Democracy, anyone could become the Tyrant. And worse: one they do, they will not be revealed, so players must find the Tyrant AND their alignment. The interesting part is that, with 2 bad sides, mafia would be more willing to crossfire (as compared to other Kuja-roles) since they can't know if the Tyrant is on the other team or if they are with the village. A village-sided Tyrant could try to get PRs and organize (although it's dangerous with poison around), but finding out if they are reliable is yet another challenge, so mafia could take the opportunity to fake claim.
    -Monarchy: Different from other systems, the King is confirmed to be sided with village, but being unable to be protected will force them to play stealthly. Baddies could use this as an opportunity.

    Spawn List:
    For the spawn list, I tried to use a ratio of 1 + 5:2:1 (Historian, who will always be in, and 5 Villagers per 2 Mafia per 1 Werewolf), although the ratio at full game seems close to 3.5:2:1
    Minimum number of players is 6.
    Spawn:
    1. Historian
    2. Mafia Goon
    3. Villager
    4. Villager
    5. Villager
    6. Neighbour
    7. Villager
    8. Mayor
    9. Mafia Goon
    10. Bodyguard
    11. Werewolf
    12. Villager
    13. Inspector
    14. Mafia Boss
    15. Miller
    16. Villager
    17. Vigilante
    18. Villager
    19. Mafia Goon
    20. Villager
    21. Werewolf
    22. Villager
    23. Bodyguard
    24. Distractor
    25. Mafia Goon
    26. Villager
    27. Villager
    28. Werewolf
    29. Villager
    30. Mafia Boss
    Priority List:
    [1] Mafia Boss (Distract)
    [2] Distractor (Distract)
    [3] Some roles during Democracy and Anarchy (Distract)
    [3] Some roles during Democracy and Anarchy (Distract2)
    [4] Bodyguard (Protect)
    [5] Some roles during Democracy and Anarchy (Protect)
    [5] Some roles during Democracy and Anarchy (Protect2)
    [6] Werewolf (Kill)
    [7] Mafia Goon (Kill)
    [8] Mafia Boss (Kill)
    [9] Vigilante (Kill)
    [10] Some roles during Democracy and Anarchy (Kill)
    [10] Some roles during Democracy and Anarchy (Kill2)
    [11] Werewolf (Poison)
    [12] Some roles during Democracy and Anarchy (Poison)
    [12] Some roles during Democracy and Anarchy (Poison2)
    [13] Neighbour (Greet)
    [14] Inspector (Inspect)
    [15] Some roles during Democracy and Anarchy (Inspect)
    [16] Some roles during Democracy (Stalk)
    [17] Historian (Democracy)
    [17] Historian (Monarchy)
    [17] Historian (Tyranny)
    [17] Historian (Anarchy)
    [18] Any role during Tyranny (Coup)
    [19] Any role during Tyranny (Tyrant)
    [20] President during Democracy (Education)
    [20] President during Democracy (Health)
    [20] President during Democracy (Justice)

    Concerns and Pending decisions:
    Following is a list of things I'm not sure if they should be how they are, as well as some other ideas I have and points I would like opinions and suggestions:
    • Theme's Name. DAMT is merely an acronym for the 4 systems, and is quite a boring name. I thought about names like Politics or Government, but those ones are still weird (and long).
    • Flavour. Quite obvious this one, the roles are basically default names. I don't plan on skining with some theme, but some better names, descriptions and messages would be welcome (especially Win Messages).
    • Monarchy may need something else. As it is currently, all other systems are quite dynamic ability-wise, but Monarchy only has a Villager becoming a Samurai. Also, since a new King automatically emerges when the former dies, that means there will always be a VCLR alive until all villagers are killed, which can make it quite unfair for the baddies (I could make PRs and baddies eligible to become King too, but that would make things a bit more predictable and too similar to Democracy/Tyranny). Ideas to balance that aspect are welcome.
    • President. Since they are publicly known, I thought about giving them a 1-time evasion to nightkill and poison (since mafia can become the President too, so BG could be unsure if they should protect them or not), but that could end being too strong.
    • Ministry. It seems this term is not used in lots of places, so I could change it if people find it weird.
    • Coup d'état. I thought about adding a risk factor in case you use it on someone other than the Tyrant, so the game won't become a big hide-and-seek, but I'm not sure if I should since the chances of the command working are already low.
    • [IMPORTANT] Historian. The role will definitely be a conspirator, but I'm unsure if they should be invincible. I only made them as that for now because it's the role that makes the theme work, but removing (or even simply reducing) the immunities could add some cool strategy factors.
    • [VERY IMPORTANT] An idea I'm thinking about is to make Historian only immune to night and daykills (no voteshield or poison immunity anymore), and then it would only win with 2 of the sides, according to the current system: Village + Mafia (Tyranny), Village + Werewolf (Democracy) or Mafia + Werewolf (Monarchy). For Anarchy, Historian would still be able to win with anyone, but they would have no immunities (or less immunities, like EvadeCharges). Opinions on this idea.
    • I may need to tweak the Priority list, most for actions like /coup and /tyrant, which give priority to village roles over mafia.

    Updates:
    1. Now there will be 1~4 Villagers that won't have the royal blood during Monarchy (AKA they won't become King).
    2. President is now immune to distraction.
    3. Historian's vote is now 0.
    4. President's commands now have faster priority.
     
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  2. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    I've just skimmed through the code, and I see that despite 21544 lines of code says otherwise, it looks like a pretty straightforward and simple theme, though I'm not sure if I'm the only one to believe that. I'm also nervous about how our players will react to this theme. Considering how slow games of School can be, and with the intellectual level of an average Mafia Player reaching to about that of brick (no offense to bricks) I'm not sure that this theme will play out well. Just see how Ghosts fared out: I thought that Mafia Players would get with it pretty well but look at how it played out.

    I'll give you a Test [1]. This theme looks very promising, and hopefully nothing changes my mind.

    The bolded words stood out to me. The fact that they get to keep their powers adds to the interactivity of the theme.

    Also, could you tell me, how do Villagers impact the theme? I don't like when Villagers are just plain, vanilla, characters, though I have reflected quite the opposite when made in some of my themes.
     
  3. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Ghosts is a theme with a counter-intuitive concept that can't be made intuitive (no simpler way to display alive/dead players) and that received poor feedback to get improved. This one is more mafia-like, despite some rules changing during the game.

    During Anarchy, all players have actions with a high fail chance, including the villagers. During Monarchy, the King is always chosen from one of the Villagers/Miller. They can also become Tyrant, President or receive power from the President.
     
  4. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Democracy seems like the most familiar as Trust is parallel in this way, but people do not think logically when voting. No one gives in-depth explanations as to why they should be voted, or why they are a better candidate over Person B, they just ask to be voted. I'm not sure what I'm asking for, but I think that their should be more of a debate between parties when asking for people to vote for them. Possibly give them different actions instead of the same ones, this way the village can debate between think about which action could benefit the action greater.
     
  5. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    The thing is that, similar to Trust (or even Vanilla), the first few votes are not based on anything, just random. The important part is what comes from that: finding out who can be trusted, who did a good job and deserves to be voted again, etc. Expecting people to have legitimate reasons to ask for a vote at the beginning of a game is stupid, but as you can see with other themes, those reasons will come as the game goes on.

    What do you mean by different actions? You mean even more actions? If you read the thread carefully, you will notice how there are 9 different powers one can receive when nominated by the President.
     
  6. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    What I meant by this was for the President to only give one action, instead of all three. But I disagree with what I said earlier; I think it would be a lot more fun, fair, and democratic if their wasn't a separation between what powers PRs can get versus what villagers / millers get. For example, a Mayor nominated to the Ministry of Justice shouldn't have a bomb, extra daykill and a stalk. From what I'm seeing in the code, though sort of unlikely, there can be a no-vote situation, and this means the President gets to reign for another day. Unless I'm missing something :x
     
  7. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    President has 3 commands, but can only use 1 per night (and a person can't hold 2 powers at the same time; if they receive another one, it will replace their previous power).

    Those 'their' are hurting my eyes :x
     
  8. Fiery Espeon

    Fiery Espeon The fire never bothered me anyway ~

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    I think you should make the cycles longer, because it is a lot of information to comprehend in 30 seconds.
     
  9. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Base roles are really simple (standard BG, Inspector, Vigi, etc), the only thing that needs more attention is the system itself. I will make them longer if it proves necessary.
     
  10. Epikhairz

    Epikhairz Delta Stream

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    Theme seems very interesting on paper, I'll give a Test [2] because this is a hard theme to judge just looking at the OP seeing how it is so unconventional.

    The issue that jumps out to me right away is that with 4 unique themes being packed into one (I see resemblances with Juggernaut in Monarchy and Tyranny :]) there will probably be a massive learning curve but maybe I'm wrong idk
     
  11. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Yes, Tyranny was slightly based on Juggernaut, but mostly on the part I suggested myself :x
    Monarchy, on the other side, doesn't have much in common to Juggernaut from my point of view.
     
  12. Yentero

    Yentero So na Voadora

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    I like to test too, this theme is very difficult to create @_@
     
  13. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    1) About the name, maybe something like Forum, Ideals or Utopia could be good. Otherwise a fictional name for the nation where the theme is located as theme name too: something like Mafionia or Politicland
    Pardon my terrible grammar, this possible winmsg are more to give a good idea how they could be flavourished then actual real message:
    VILLAGE: Our nation after going under a giant amount of trouble, between going against Supernatural creatures and the mafia's corruption now has finally become a real utopia thanks to the evolution of their government system. Long live and prosperity to ~Players~
    Mafia: You have spreaded corruption and fear all around the country until its polytical system crumpled down to pieces. Muahah congratulation ~Players~ now this country it's under our control.
    "Werewolves: The civilisation that ruled this land has been destroyed, now the only ruler here it's mother nature herself and as in the Jungle the only Law now is that of the strong one. Which right now are ~Players~ .
    2) About the monarchy i am not sure how you could develop it in a more dynamic way without making the code more complicate. Maybe he could have a single use /wed command to convert a role into a queen with a vote power of -99 but if their queen is not sided with the village: they will die from betrayal by their own bride.
    3) Maybe you could make the President immune to kill only during the first night, just to give him time to elect an Healt Minister. Or otherwise we could make him immortal but with a -3 voteshield so that if the bad guys wanna try to elect one of them as president they will have more chance but at the same time they will risk to be revealed.
    4) Well Ministry and Ministers maybe are not used in lot of places, but there are even a good amount of states that use it too, so on my opinion is good enough.
    5) Well on my opinion /coup d'etat seems good as it is but if you really want to add some deterrent for /coup: As risk factor i think that you could make them have a chance to be revealed in public as treasoners with a chance to be revealed as their real role but with another one to be revealed as werewolves or mafia. Otherwise they could risk to loses their vote power for some turn.
    6) Historian is maybe the role that makes me worries the most. They are like the Dungeon Master on Roleplaying games, but they have no risk and they have not a great motive to play the game for the fun but only for the duty to make the game mechanics work and this could make it seems pretty boring for some players.
    Another problem is that if they decide to change type of Government every time they could (as it is now every 2 nights) , the game could become really confusing because the rules would change pretty often.
    My opinion it's that Historian should have different power and immunities depending of the type of Government choosen. What i mean is something like :
    When there is Anarchy they can win with everyone but has no immunities, When there is Monarchy they are sided with village and are immune to daykill and have a -999 voteshield, when there is Democracy they are sided with Mafia and are immune to their kill and distract, when there is Tyranny they are sided with werewolves and they are immune to their Kill and Poison. This way an historian will think about what government they should choose and there is no risk to have an exaggerate spam of it.
    P.S. if you are interested of the idea over there but you worry about the creation of the ignore lists when Historian will be sided with mafia or werewolves, i think i have a faster solution: you could simply give to mafia's /kill a dummy10 and to werewolves' /kill a dummy9, this way when they are sided with mafia they will have a general ignore: kill but they will have a die: dummy9 so that when a werewolves uses /kill on them they will die because of the dummy' part of the attack, the same reasoning works for when Historian will be sided with werewolves with the only difference that they will die if they get targetted by dummy10 instead.
     
  14. Yentero

    Yentero So na Voadora

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    The comment from Shazan, i think this name for sides:

    Anarchy = Free people
    Monarchy = Monarchy
    Democracy = Corruptors
    Tyranny = Mercenary
     
  15. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Not sure if I will use any of them, but they give me lots of ideas, so they are useful suggestions.

    The problem is that, although there's a risk, if they are able to bypass it, village will get even stronger.
    Something I thought about was to make something like 2~4 of the villagers being unable to become King, so the Royal Lineage can end (though that would would make Monarchy pointless if it happened).

    President already gets a -2000 voteshield to prevent an re-election (they can only keep their position if the vote ends with no one voted out).
    At least for now, I will leave them without any evasion, so players will have to decide if they should protect the new president or not.

    I will wait for tests to decide if /coup needs to be changed, but if it does, I want something that will make players not try to simply blindly coup until they find the Tyrant (like dying, but that could be too much). Another option would be a recharge, but recharge is not activated if the action fails due to failChance, so it could not work well.


    Actually, Historian is meant to be a fun role. The idea is that changing the systems is not really a duty, but an amusing action since it can change the game for everyone (like "Some men just want to see the world burn").

    The idea of changing their winning sides is interesting, but I'd rather keep their immunities the same for any form, although I could use the Anarchy = no immunities part. Also, it would be better if each form had 2 sides for winningSides instead of only 1.
    Something I'd like to see happening is to see players trying to negotiate with the Historian to change the game in their favour, so some suggestions that would encourage that be the ideal.

    Well, creating a big list is not a problem. I'm using a script to write the code and a whole lot of variables, so dummies to replace kills are not really necessary.

    Did you even read the thread? The government systems are not teams, so they don't need names.
     
  16. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    To do such a thing you should find a way to give a slight advantage to a precise team depending on what government type is running. Partially we could consider monarchy the system that gives advantage to village because gives them king that is a daykiller that continue to exist until there is at least a villager.
    Another exemple could be that to give to one of the 2 bad team a positive voteshield when democracy system it's running.
     
  17. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I will consider that. Maybe even make that advantage be given to the side the Historian would not win with, in case I adopt the "Each form wins with 2 different sides" format.

    With only 1 role that naturally has extra votes, that could make the bad guys easier to spot, so I'd rather not :x
     
  18. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ok for me it's enough to give a test [3]
     
  19. MewtwoHidden

    MewtwoHidden My Hax Makes Me Famous

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    I was just about to give a test, but Shazan beat me to it. My main current concern with the theme is that it looks very difficult to play, especially for newer Mafia Players. Although, since that is the point of the theme I cant do much about that. Historian should definately be invincible in my opinion since if he died early on in the game, the entire idea of the game would be ruined. If you were to do this, give him 0 votes since as a historian he merely on-looks history and cant change much (I'll regard the modes as a flip to another page in history).
     
  20. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    First Game (20 players): https://www.dropbox.com/s/dj9vmdkkjazffi9/DAMT_2014.03.11_23.18.txt
    Game actually went through all modes. Some stuff still unclear for players (they voted Mafia Goon during Democracy thinking it would lynch them, even though it was the 2nd turn of Democracy and a President was elected the turn before :x).
    Also, 3 errors reported, going to fix them.

    BTW, regarding the issue of Historian being a duty or fun role, the first person that got that role (AKA Joeypals) loved it.
    I will probably have to make 2~4 Villagers unable to become King, since Monarchy looked to make village really strong.

    EDIT:
    Log 2 (13 players, only partial because I DC'd when the game began): http://pastebin.com/z6x2T215
    Maybe I should increase the recharge for Historian from 2 to 3 turns.

    Log 3 (10 players): https://www.dropbox.com/s/ohcon0cqlkw06jl/DAMT_2014.03.12_00.46.txt

    Log 4 (18 players): https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1udecae7u4u6y9/DAMT_2014.03.12_01.34.txt
    Players seem to be getting the overall idea quite quickly (the specifics take more time, but that was expected).
    From this log, I think the suggestion of having Conspirator with different winning sides according to the government system would be not just interesting, but necessary. On this log 4, it's possible to notice how village would lose even if Mafia didn't kill at the last night, simply because Conspirator changed the system and removed the VCLR (King) that village still had.

    Log 5: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mign0qdu2r79xa/DAMT_2014.03.12_19.44.txt

    Log 6: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7ct1624p4mtv9x/DAMT_2014.03.12_20.36.txt
    Following the idea of making Conspirator able to win with only 2 sides depending on the system, I can see Democracy being a system that puts village into a disadvantage, so it could be Monarchy (any but Village), Democracy (any but Mafia) and Tyranny (any but Werewolf). More feedback on this idea is appreciated.

    Also, I need more opinions regarding the minimum duration for a system (currently set to 2 turns, I'm thinking about increasing to 3).

    Log 7: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nxtdwfmjdajw8hy/DAMT_2014.03.12_21.57.txt
    Funny how village never tried to get a single baddie during the whole game.

    Log 8: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5fc3uuyllj9ax5t/DAMT_2014.03.13_00.00.txt

    Log 9: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxub625chbvjn8k/DAMT_2014.03.13_00.37.txt
    After this game I made President be immune to distractions.

    Log 10: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlz8tn4anbiltsr/DAMT_2014.03.13_01.20.txt
     
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  21. Fiery Espeon

    Fiery Espeon The fire never bothered me anyway ~

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    I prefer the way it is but it should be extended to 3 cycles. And to fix the new players not understanding, try to make the help be direct as possible and extend time during the day so people can explain it to new players. Historian, in my opinion, should have a voteshield but 0 votes. Historian is the "bot" of the game. The person that is playing historian is changing everything and setting up different systems like a bot.
     
  22. Roild

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    I believe 0 votes/inability to vote would be best for Historian too. The thing that would say "You only record history, not take part in it." when you try to vote.
     
  23. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Historian with 0 votes could happen.
    Also, I will most likely use the idea of having Historian winning with only 2 sides depending on the current system. This is practically necessary as I have observed how themes with a strong conspirator figure (like DAMT, Weapons and even FiM) tend to make the bad guys stronger.
    If that idea is implemented, then Historian will have to be killable, otherwise we would often see situations where a side cannot win unless Historian decides to change the current government system. I'm still unsure how to deal with the immunities though.

    Log 11: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fh7k6tjo1wdbw71/DAMT_2014.03.14_21.41.txt

    Log 12: https://www.dropbox.com/s/55nuvtktcyeg0zt/DAMT_2014.03.14_22.43.txt

    Log 13: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lxud0jg3bxjt8wm/DAMT_2014.03.14_23.46.txt

    Log 14: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rfyjvobqg8x7nnd/DAMT_2014.03.15_00.34.txt
     
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  24. Fate Testarossa

    Fate Testarossa Unbreakable Bond

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    I think the president should have the highest priority (or close to it) because I have seen some games where he gets killed before he can give someone a power.
     
  25. Fiery Espeon

    Fiery Espeon The fire never bothered me anyway ~

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    I think the reason Mafia wins so much is that people tend to , In Anarchy, try to kill each other and end up teamkilling each other and I think the spawn is a little off where I think instead of Neighbor and Goon, there should be an extra villager instead of Neighbor or Mayor and the Boss.
     
  26. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I had intended for any action specific to a system to only occur after Historian's command, since it would be pointless to see, for example, someone becoming the Tyrant and then Tyranny ending at the same night. But since with Democracy the effects are kept if the system is changed and comes back, I think I can make that an exception.

    I don't think the problem is merely with Anarchy. I've seen several games where Village lost simply because Historian changed the government system. Also, a conspirator makes mafia win faster (since a Conspirator/2 Mafia/3Villagers is considered auto-win for Mafia, while a Werewolf/2 Mafia/3 Villagers is still in the open), and since the conspirator can't die, village usually takes the toll.
     
  27. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    It's not possible to move Historian's versions that wins with village inside the VillageCan'tlose list to evade this problems? Or it works only with roles that are sided with village (in this case maybe when Historian can win with village he could be directly sided with village and have only 1 mafia team inside his Conspirator's list)?
    Wouldn't making Historian simply be immune to the main killing methods that teams with which he is allied inside that government system use the most simple way to deal with the immunities?
     
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  28. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    To easily explain VCLR: while a VCLR role is alive (regardless of their side), only Village or a role with winIfDeadRoles are able to win. It's even possible to see a game continue with only 1 player if you put a Mafia on the VCLR and that player is the last one alive.
    So VCLR can't solve this problem, and it wouldn't even make sense if it did, since it would defeat the point of the conspirator.

    I don't like this idea because it would prevent that side from killing the Historian (that has tactical uses, as you could, for example, kill Historian to prevent them from changing the government system to a system you don't want).
     
  29. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    What about using an OnDeadRoles on historian's versions that can win with village so that when all the Village Roles are dead: the Historian will transform into a version of himself without VCLR. Could this solve the problem?

    Then maybe instead to give him a total immunity to everything that could kill him and a giant voteshield you could give him a percentage of evadechance to everything deadly and a random voteshield between 0, -2 and -9999 ? this way everyone has a chance to kill him but not too easily.
     
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  30. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    The problem here is more conceptual than implementing.
    Let's say that, on a generic theme, there are 2 Villager, a Mafia and the Conspirator alive. The script would auto-end the game and declare Mafia (+Conspirator) the winners. Some people may think "Why did it end? Villager still could win", but the correct logic there is "Why would Conspirator not want to win immediately there?". If the game didn't auto-end on those situations, it would be possible situations where one of the villagers is lynched, then Mafia would get to kill (it would win regardless of who died), while Conspirator would be under the risk of dying.
    There's no advantage for Conspirator there, so even if I find a way to implement that, it would only defeat the point of the conspirator role.

    I'd rather not leave it for chance. My first idea was either a Night + Daykill evasion (but not immune to poison and lynch) or the opposite (immune to lynch/poison/daykill, but can be nightkilled). Those were the first ideas I had that would allow any side to be able to kill the Historian if they want, while still making the role considerably resistant.
     
  31. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    It's been 9 days since the theme was added to the server for tests, so I'd like some opinions about the Concerns section at the OP (and any general feedback too).
     
  32. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    From what i see this theme can reach only 30 players games, but as the system actually is, it should reach 40 players at least.
    Have you any intention to expand the game into such number of players?
     
  33. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Expanding the spawn list wouldn't be a problem (except for the code requiring over 15 roles for each new villager added), but for now is not the priority.
     
  34. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Ok what's important is that you will expand it before that your theme will be accepted if accepted. (But knowing the speed of the Mafia QC process you will have enough time to do it XD).
    About your Concern Section, i have already said something in the past before that the theme would reach its Test Phase, so i would like to hear other QC members that have commented or given the test vote before to say anything new, so @Epikhairz, @Fiery Espeon, @Eljaquiz, @Roild, @Matt Ayala and @MewTwoHidden, what are your thoughts abouts IceKirby Concerns?
    P.S.
    Did you have been able to find out any good name for the theme Kirby? Because personally i never found acronyms appealing for a mafia theme name.

    A little coloured log
    (01:28:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:28:53) Times Up! :
    (01:28:53) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (01:28:53) ±Game: You are a Werewolf! [Current mode: Anarchy]
    (01:28:53) ±Game: You can kill during the night with /kill [name] (not shared) and poison with /poison [name] (shared). You cannot be distracted. Additionally, you can also use /poison2, /kill2, /distract or /inspect (only 1 of those), but with a high chance of failing (your chances are better with poison2 and kill2).
    (01:28:53) ±Game: Your team is obey to kyubey, Kitteh Luvin.
    (01:28:53) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Inspector, Mafia Boss, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mayor, Miller, Neighbour, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf, Werewolf.
    (01:28:53) ±Current Players: A Mafia Nub, Alyways, BestBubs., BlackStar44, Crobat, Dubz, George V, Hades, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, OtherRandom, Perspective, RiceKirby, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, elctrodragon, hydro here, nh1240, obey to kyubey, pokem, vanity..
    (01:28:53) ±Current Team: Werewolf, Werewolf
    (01:28:53) ±Time: Night 1
    (01:28:53) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (01:28:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:29:05) Xenon: my chances are slightly better with kill
    (01:29:05) obey to kyubey: [Team] hi
    (01:29:06) nh1240: favorite this theme can villager can kill
    (01:29:07) Xenon: I must be mafia
    (01:29:12) Windblown: I am the BODYGUARD villager
    (01:29:14) A Mafia Nub: kill2 Windblown
    (01:29:19) Crobat: lmao
    (01:29:19) ±Game: You have chosen to kill BlackStar44!
    (01:29:19) George V: you murderous wretch
    (01:29:20) elctrodragon: why can't I be historian I don't wanna be a villagwrrrr
    (01:29:21) Alyways: hmm
    (01:29:24) ±Game: You have chosen to poison OtherRandom!
    (01:29:25) Crobat: go to democracy
    (01:29:26) Crobat: please
    (01:29:29) A Mafia Nub: NO
    (01:29:31) RiceKirby: Tyranny
    (01:29:31) Crobat: use inspects @ village
    (01:29:31) Xenon: go to monarchy
    (01:29:32) Xenon: pls
    (01:29:32) George V: i can protect.
    (01:29:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:29:33) Times Up! :
    (01:29:33) ±Kill: BlackStar44 (Inspector) died!
    (01:29:33) ±Game: You were killed during the night!
    (01:29:33) ±Kill: obey to kyubey (Werewolf) died!
    (01:29:33) ±Kill: A Mafia Nub (Villager) died!
    (01:29:33) ±Game: The government system has changed to Tyranny!
    (01:29:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:29:33) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Boss, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mayor, Miller, Neighbour, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:29:33) ±Current Players: Alyways, BestBubs., Crobat, Dubz, George V, Hades, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, OtherRandom, Perspective, RiceKirby, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, elctrodragon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:29:33) ±Time: Day 1
    (01:29:33) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:29:33) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:29:36) Crobat: I won't want stuoid effing kills
    (01:29:36) Perspective: YES
    (01:29:37) Perspective: TYRANNY
    (01:29:39) RiceKirby: Yes, Tyranny
    (01:29:39) Xenon: inspector dying
    (01:29:40) Xenon: welp
    (01:29:41) Hades: :c
    (01:29:42) Crobat: don't want stupid*
    (01:29:43) RiceKirby: And bs Inspector dead
    (01:29:43) OtherRandom: poisoned .-.
    (01:29:44) Windblown: help I am not tyrant
    (01:29:51) Xenon: help neither am I
    (01:29:53) Crobat: who the bleep changed to tryanny (who is historian)
    (01:29:54) Alyways: errm
    (01:29:55) RiceKirby: No Tyrant yet
    (01:29:59) Xenon: prob Alyways
    (01:30:02) Perspective: I am clearly tyrant
    (01:30:02) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:30:03) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Boss, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mayor, Miller, Neighbour, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:30:03) ±Current Players: Alyways, BestBubs., Crobat, Dubz, George V, Hades, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, OtherRandom, Perspective, RiceKirby, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, elctrodragon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:30:03) ±Time: Day 1
    (01:30:03) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:30:03) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:30:04) Kitteh Luvin: But Anarchy...
    (01:30:04) Honey Senpai: Xenon
    (01:30:05) Alyways: nope
    (01:30:06) Perspective: historian*
    (01:30:10) Perspective: that changed to tyranny
    (01:30:10) Alyways: xenon prob
    (01:30:11) Crobat: democracy is where it's at
    (01:30:12) Honey Senpai: were you Pl'ed?
    (01:30:13) elctrodragon: rand
    (01:30:13) Xenon: no
    (01:30:15) BestBubs.: rip anarchy
    (01:30:18) ±Game: elctrodragon voted for Suika!
    (01:30:19) Honey Senpai: ah
    (01:30:21) Hades: I am Historian as this role I demand that Xenon is lynched
    (01:30:22) ±Game: Suika voted for elctrodragon!
    (01:30:26) ±Game: Hades voted for Xenon!
    (01:30:26) ±Game: Xenon voted for Hades!
    (01:30:30) ±Game: TheSaintsFan voted for Hades!
    (01:30:32) ±Game: OtherRandom voted for Hades!
    (01:30:33) Crobat: <.<
    (01:30:33) Alyways: I don't be historian
    (01:30:34) RiceKirby: Historian doesn't demand anything here
    (01:30:34) vanity.: imo crobat
    (01:30:37) Alyways: ever.
    (01:30:38) Xenon: lynch hades imo
    (01:30:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:30:40) Times Up! :
    (01:30:40) ±Game: Hades (Mafia Boss) was removed from the game!
    (01:30:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:30:40) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mayor, Miller, Neighbour, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:30:40) ±Current Players: Alyways, BestBubs., Crobat, Dubz, George V, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, OtherRandom, Perspective, RiceKirby, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, elctrodragon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:30:40) ±Time: Night 2
    (01:30:40) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:30:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:30:40) RiceKirby: You just change the system
    (01:30:40) Crobat: gj vanity
    (01:30:43) Xenon: WAT
    (01:30:43) OtherRandom: lol
    (01:30:43) Crobat: holy shit
    (01:30:44) elctrodragon: lol
    (01:30:45) Windblown: >claim historian
    (01:30:46) Nitrogen: funny looking historian
    (01:30:47) Kitteh Luvin: Oh dayum
    (01:30:47) Windblown: >lynched
    (01:30:48) Windblown: >mafia
    (01:30:51) Xenon: Hades
    (01:30:52) Xenon: is a god
    (01:31:03) George V: puny god thought
    (01:31:04) Alyways: Historian of doom.
    (01:31:06) George V: though
    (01:31:08) Windblown: ooOO
    (01:31:09) Alyways: looks like.
    (01:31:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:31:09) Times Up! :
    (01:31:10) ±Kill: Crobat (Bodyguard) died!
    (01:31:10) ±Kill: Alyways (Mayor) died!
    (01:31:10) ±Game: A new Tyrant has emerged!
    (01:31:10) ±Kill: OtherRandom (Villager) died!
    (01:31:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:31:10) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Miller, Neighbour, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:31:10) ±Current Players: BestBubs., Dubz, George V, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, Perspective, RiceKirby, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, elctrodragon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:31:10) ±Time: Day 2
    (01:31:10) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:31:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:31:10) RiceKirby: BRB becoming Tyrant
    (01:31:23) nh1240: if you're the tyrant and you know it clap your hands
    (01:31:24) Perspective: ok
    (01:31:26) Perspective: WHOSE THE TYRANT
    (01:31:28) RiceKirby: Who wants to be lynched? :3
    (01:31:30) elctrodragon: slay pls gtg
    (01:31:32) nh1240: :3333333333
    (01:31:35) Windblown: :3
    (01:31:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:31:40) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Miller, Neighbour, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:31:40) ±Current Players: BestBubs., Dubz, George V, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, Perspective, RiceKirby, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, elctrodragon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:31:40) ±Time: Day 2
    (01:31:40) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:31:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:31:42) BestBubs.: hmmm
    (01:31:42) ±Game: RiceKirby voted for George V!
    (01:31:42) ±Slay: elctrodragon will be sla​in by Crobat after the phase ends!
    (01:31:44) RiceKirby: Hai
    (01:31:46) ±Game: Perspective voted for RiceKirby!
    (01:31:47) ±Game: George V voted for RiceKirby!
    (01:31:50) George V: hay
    (01:31:53) Perspective: must counter
    (01:31:55) vanity.: leave it imo
    (01:31:55) Windblown: rip George V
    (01:31:56) ±Game: TheSaintsFan voted for George V!
    (01:32:00) ±Game: Xenon voted for RiceKirby!
    (01:32:00) ±Game: Windblown voted for RiceKirby!
    (01:32:00) nh1240: wisconsin oregon game has no defense
    (01:32:02) George V: hit me.
    (01:32:05) Windblown: testing if tyrant
    (01:32:09) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:09) Times Up! :
    (01:32:10) ±Game: RiceKirby (Villager) was removed from the game!
    (01:32:10) ±Slay: elctrodragon (Villager) was sla​in by C​robat!
    (01:32:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:10) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Miller, Neighbour, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:32:10) ±Current Players: BestBubs., Dubz, George V, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, Perspective, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:32:10) ±Time: Night 3
    (01:32:10) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:32:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:10) Xenon: :c
    (01:32:16) vanity.: lol.
    (01:32:29) George V: thanks for the aid guys. :)
    (01:32:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:40) Times Up! :
    (01:32:40) ±Kill: George V (Neighbour) died!
    (01:32:40) ±Game: The Tyrant is dead! Will a new Tyrant rise to the power?
    (01:32:40) ±Kill: BestBubs. (Mafia Goon) died!
    (01:32:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:40) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Miller, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:32:40) ±Current Players: Dubz, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, Perspective, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:32:40) ±Time: Day 3
    (01:32:40) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:32:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:32:44) Perspective: poisoned
    (01:32:45) Windblown: mfw
    (01:32:47) Xenon: rip George V
    (01:32:53) Perspective: I am poisoned villager
    (01:32:55) Perspective: can I rands
    (01:33:05) Windblown: imo we should add vengeful
    (01:33:08) vanity.: TheSaintsFan might be bad.
    (01:33:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:33:10) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Miller, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:33:10) ±Current Players: Dubz, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, Perspective, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:33:10) ±Time: Day 3
    (01:33:10) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:33:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:33:10) Perspective: ok
    (01:33:11) Perspective: randing
    (01:33:14) TheSaintsFan: no
    (01:33:16) TheSaintsFan: im not
    (01:33:16) Honey Senpai: was George V tyrant?
    (01:33:16) ±Game: Perspective voted for nh1240!
    (01:33:18) vanity.: yes
    (01:33:20) Perspective: is dog
    (01:33:22) ±Game: TheSaintsFan voted for nh1240!
    (01:33:22) nh1240: no
    (01:33:23) nh1240: vigilante
    (01:33:23) ±Game: Kitteh Luvin voted for nh1240!
    (01:33:23) nh1240: stop
    (01:33:26) Xenon: is he meps
    (01:33:26) ±Game: vanity. voted for nh1240!
    (01:33:29) ±Game: nh1240 voted for vanity.!
    (01:33:30) ±Game: Rick Gastley voted for TheSaintsFan!
    (01:33:31) Perspective: lateclaim
    (01:33:31) ±Game: Xenon voted for vanity.!
    (01:33:32) nh1240: voting after claim
    (01:33:32) Perspective: smh
    (01:33:33) vanity.: oh
    (01:33:34) nh1240: prob scum
    (01:33:34) ±Game: Windblown voted for vanity.!
    (01:33:37) Windblown: help tie
    (01:33:38) Rick Gastley: vanity is clean
    (01:33:39) Rick Gastley: stahp
    (01:33:40) Rick Gastley: tie
    (01:33:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:33:42) Times Up! :
    (01:33:42) No one was voted off!:
    (01:33:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:33:42) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Miller, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:33:42) ±Current Players: Dubz, Honey Senpai, Kitteh Luvin, Nitrogen, Perspective, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:33:42) ±Time: Night 4
    (01:33:42) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:33:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:33:42) Perspective: how?
    (01:33:44) Rick Gastley: good
    (01:33:46) Nitrogen: lol
    (01:33:51) Xenon: 4:3 ?
    (01:33:53) Perspective: oh
    (01:33:54) vanity.: my fault, wasn't paying attention
    (01:33:54) nh1240: historian
    (01:33:55) vanity.: lol
    (01:33:56) Perspective: so nh1240 is historian
    (01:33:57) nh1240: must have voted me
    (01:33:59) Perspective: rip me
    (01:34:01) nh1240: no?>??
    (01:34:03) Xenon: if he was historian
    (01:34:05) nh1240: bg on me i guess
    (01:34:06) Xenon: vanity. would have been lynched
    (01:34:09) nh1240: should pm too
    (01:34:10) Perspective: true
    (01:34:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:11) Times Up! :
    (01:34:12) ±Kill: Nitrogen (Villager) died!
    (01:34:12) ±Kill: Honey Senpai (Villager) died!
    (01:34:12) ±Game: The government system has changed to Monarchy!
    (01:34:12) ±Kill: Perspective (Villager) died!
    (01:34:12) ±Game: A successor to the throne with Royal Blood was found! A new King is born!
    (01:34:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:12) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Miller, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:34:12) ±Current Players: Dubz, Kitteh Luvin, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, hydro here, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:34:12) ±Time: Day 4
    (01:34:12) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:34:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:12) nh1240: distractor too maybe pm
    (01:34:17) Windblown: oh I am the poison
    (01:34:18) Xenon: new king
    (01:34:19) Xenon: :o
    (01:34:25) Xenon: monarchy is best
    (01:34:33) Xenon: gogo
    (01:34:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:39) ±Game: King: 'PREPARE THE GUILLOTINE!'
    (01:34:39) ±Kill: hydro here (Mafia Goon) died!
    (01:34:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:41) vanity.: king is asleep?
    (01:34:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:42) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Miller, Vigilante, Villager, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:34:42) ±Current Players: Dubz, Kitteh Luvin, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:34:42) ±Time: Day 4
    (01:34:42) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:34:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:34:42) Xenon: strong
    (01:34:42) Windblown: rip
    (01:34:43) vanity.: oh pro
    (01:34:48) Kitteh Luvin: lel
    (01:34:57) ±Game: Rick Gastley voted for Dubz!
    (01:34:58) Rick Gastley: imo
    (01:35:02) ±Game: TheSaintsFan voted for Dubz!
    (01:35:06) ±Game: vanity. voted for Dubz!
    (01:35:08) ±Game: Kitteh Luvin voted for Dubz!
    (01:35:09) Dubz: lolz
    (01:35:10) ±Game: Windblown voted for Rick Gastley!
    (01:35:12) Windblown: I have an idea
    (01:35:15) ±Game: Dubz voted for Rick Gastley!
    (01:35:21) vanity.: pls be WW
    (01:35:21) Xenon: ?
    (01:35:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:23) Times Up! :
    (01:35:23) ±Game: Dubz (Villager) was removed from the game!
    (01:35:23) ±Game: A successor to the throne with Royal Blood was found! A new King is born!
    (01:35:23) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:23) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Miller, Vigilante, Villager, Werewolf.
    (01:35:23) ±Current Players: Kitteh Luvin, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, Windblown, Xenon, nh1240, pokem, vanity..
    (01:35:23) ±Time: Night 5
    (01:35:23) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:35:23) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:26) vanity.: omg
    (01:35:27) nh1240: i think
    (01:35:30) nh1240: i might start killing
    (01:35:30) nh1240: bodyguard
    (01:35:32) Xenon: lynching king
    (01:35:32) nh1240: distrartor pm quick
    (01:35:33) Xenon: pls
    (01:35:35) Windblown: Rick Gastley is bad w0w
    (01:35:44) Windblown: also rip me
    (01:35:49) Windblown: yes I am the MAFIA
    (01:35:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:53) Times Up! :
    (01:35:53) ±Kill: Xenon (Miller) died!
    (01:35:53) ±Kill: pokem (Villager) died!
    (01:35:53) ±Kill: Windblown (Mafia Goon) died!
    (01:35:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:53) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Vigilante, Werewolf.
    (01:35:53) ±Current Players: Kitteh Luvin, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, nh1240, vanity..
    (01:35:53) ±Time: Day 5
    (01:35:54) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:35:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:35:59) TheSaintsFan: ok
    (01:36:02) Suika: Now I've been poisoned
    (01:36:04) TheSaintsFan: whos histor?
    (01:36:19) vanity.: TheSaintsFan for WW or mafia goon?
    (01:36:23) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:36:23) ±Current Roles: Bodyguard, Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Vigilante, Werewolf.
    (01:36:23) ±Current Players: Kitteh Luvin, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, nh1240, vanity..
    (01:36:23) ±Time: Day 5
    (01:36:23) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:36:23) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:36:28) Rick Gastley: if the historian would claim
    (01:36:29) Rick Gastley: -.-
    (01:36:36) ±Game: Rick Gastley voted for TheSaintsFan!
    (01:36:42) ±Game: vanity. voted for TheSaintsFan!
    (01:36:43) Rick Gastley: hes bad tho
    (01:36:48) ±Game: nh1240 voted for TheSaintsFan!
    (01:36:48) ±Game: TheSaintsFan voted for vanity.!
    (01:36:50) Kitteh Luvin: .vote TheSaintsFan
    (01:36:52) ±Game: Suika voted for vanity.!
    (01:36:57) ±Game: Kitteh Luvin voted for TheSaintsFan!
    (01:36:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:36:58) Times Up! :
    (01:36:58) ±Game: vanity. (Bodyguard) was removed from the game!
    (01:36:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:36:58) ±Current Roles: Distractor, Historian, Mafia Goon, Vigilante, Werewolf.
    (01:36:58) ±Current Players: Kitteh Luvin, Rick Gastley, Suika, TheSaintsFan, nh1240.
    (01:36:58) ±Time: Night 6
    (01:36:58) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:36:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:37:00) Rick Gastley: omfg
    (01:37:02) TheSaintsFan: lol
    (01:37:02) Suika: oopsy
    (01:37:15) TheSaintsFan: oooops did I di that?
    (01:37:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:37:28) Times Up! :
    (01:37:28) ±Kill: Rick Gastley (Distractor) died!
    (01:37:28) ±Kill: Suika (Mafia Goon) died!
    (01:37:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:37:28) ±Current Roles: Historian, Vigilante, Werewolf.
    (01:37:28) ±Current Players: Kitteh Luvin, TheSaintsFan, nh1240.
    (01:37:28) ±Time: Day 6
    (01:37:29) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:37:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:37:37) TheSaintsFan: ok welp
    (01:37:52) Kitteh Luvin: Saints gj
    (01:37:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:37:58) ±Current Roles: Historian, Vigilante, Werewolf.
    (01:37:58) ±Current Players: Kitteh Luvin, TheSaintsFan, nh1240.
    (01:37:58) ±Time: Day 6
    (01:37:58) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:37:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:03) nh1240: kitteh luvin thesaintsfan is vigilante vote him and you win
    (01:38:10) TheSaintsFan: lol
    (01:38:15) ±Game: TheSaintsFan voted for nh1240!
    (01:38:22) nh1240: kitteh luvin vote vigilante
    (01:38:22) ±Game: Kitteh Luvin voted for nh1240!
    (01:38:24) ±Game: nh1240 voted for Kitteh Luvin!
    (01:38:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:25) Times Up! :
    (01:38:25) No one was voted off!:
    (01:38:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:25) ±Current Roles: Historian, Vigilante, Werewolf.
    (01:38:25) ±Current Players: Kitteh Luvin, TheSaintsFan, nh1240.
    (01:38:25) ±Time: Night 7
    (01:38:26) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:38:26) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:26) Kitteh Luvin: no
    (01:38:49) Kitteh Luvin: no today
    (01:38:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:38:56) Times Up! :
    (01:38:56) ±Kill: Kitteh Luvin (Werewolf) died!
    (01:38:56) ±Game: The government system has changed to Democracy!
    (01:38:56) ±Kill: nh1240 (Vigilante) died!
    (01:38:56) ±Game: Oh my, TheSaintsFan, the Historian has won this alone? How could you guys fail that much?
    (01:38:56) ***************************************************************************************
     
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2014
  35. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    No, but for some reason I didn't see anyone complaining about the name yet. I still would like some better ideas though.

    EDIT: Logs, just in case.
    15: https://www.dropbox.com/s/80ypmlffuj1d2tv/DAMT_2014.03.15_01.34.txt
    16: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qkrkyv9c3cx9aro/DAMT_2014.03.15_23.38.txt
    17: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vxn7mqx00z73pau/DAMT_2014.03.16_00.53.txt
    18: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fny227yntwvgnt2/DAMT_2014.03.16_21.45.txt
    19: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tx9sqm2py7495eu/DAMT_2014.03.16_23.06.txt
    20: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3edjob67jgv8zb3/DAMT_2014.03.17_21.28.txt
    21: https://www.dropbox.com/s/szt3swifsu0slwu/DAMT_2014.03.18_01.25.txt
    22: https://www.dropbox.com/s/69nhswii14upq7g/DAMT_2014.03.18_01.50.txt
    23: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfq78d1yule202d/DAMT_2014.03.18_23.40.txt
    24: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hjfnztamrjzzark/DAMT_2014.03.19_23.46.txt
    25: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ti17dl2nlqzzkew/DAMT_2014.03.20_01.43.txt
    26: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sdo4bcd1sg02j4s/DAMT_2014.03.20_22.57.txt
    27: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vitfs8adg5cypf6/DAMT_2014.03.21_01.25.txt
    28: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k1agwrpcjdkmx3o/DAMT_2014.03.22_01.58.txt
    29: https://www.dropbox.com/s/b0qa01di9yhloy7/DAMT_2014.03.22_02.35.txt
    30: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vmywvoi7aet7qgl/DAMT_2014.03.22_21.39.txt
    31: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1iizha68a8a34x/DAMT_2014.03.22_23.38.txt

    Fun fact: On log 30, the Historian won alone :x
     
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  36. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    I tried to collect some opinion about D.A.M.T. and Attack on Titans from the mafia players.
    This is are the answers:
    (15:03:38) obey to kyubey: Anyway guys, what do you think about the two new themes, Attack of the Titans and DAMT ?
    (15:03:39) Mc BoomBoom: shit son
    (15:03:44) Nitrogen: DAMT good
    (15:03:54) Nitrogen: AOT weird when the 3-d comes in
    (15:04:01) RudeStyle: I like DAMT
    (15:04:03) Poliwrath says: rawr
    (15:04:03) RudeStyle: its fun
    (15:04:04) Mc BoomBoom: ooh.
    (15:04:05) Mc BoomBoom: dinosaurs.
    (15:04:07) Mc BoomBoom: RAWR BITCH
    (15:04:07) obey to kyubey: why?
    (15:04:11) Quna: i never played AoT
    (15:04:12) SkyPhoenix: Rawr?
    (15:04:13) Nitrogen: idk
    (15:04:28) Quna: and i don't really like DAMT because of the Historian Role :<
    (15:04:29) deadmand79: "/join

    (15:04:37) Mc BoomBoom: explain this DAMT.
    (15:04:49) SkyPhoenix: dafcuk?
    (15:04:56) Mc BoomBoom: Cthulhu is attacking.
    (15:04:58) RudeStyle: democracy anarchy monarchy tyrany?
    (15:04:59) Mc BoomBoom: GG world, gg.
    (15:05:20) Mc BoomBoom: so...
    (15:05:23) obey to kyubey: Democracy Anarchy monarchy and tiranny, it's ewnough for you as explanation?
    (15:05:30) Mc BoomBoom: yeah.
    (15:05:33) Mc BoomBoom: yeah that works.

    It was less useful then what i thought, i will try to collect more opinions later.
     
  37. Yttrium

    Yttrium Well-Known Member Developer Developer

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    I Googled "Democracy Anarchy Monarchy Tyranny" and the first result was Anacyclosis. IDK if it would help as a name though, it'd probably just confuse people more.
     
  38. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Personally i like Anacyclosis better as sound then DAMT and as term seems perfect, the problem is that maybe is a little too long to type as name during the vote phase.
     
  39. Duster

    Duster dodgerswin 2018

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  40. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Although I agree that Anacyclosis and Kyklos sound better than DAMT and make sense, they don't sound so user-friendly to use with the channel commands.

    Also, now that this theme finally got people assigned to review, I'd like the remind how my main concern is if I should make Historian vulnerable to something (likely lynch) and only win with 2 sides depending on the current government system. More details at the Concerns section at the OP.