[NOC] Fire and Ice Mafia - Fire Mafia Win (Pyanda and RudeStyle in HD)

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  1. NotMafia

    NotMafia Miltank: Destroyer of Souls

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    Votecount 5.0 - LYLO

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    - -Mike- (0)-
    - Fegelein (0)-
    - Marquis (0)-
    - Pyanda (0)-
    - RudeStyle in HD (0)-
    - Not Voting (5)- -Mike-, Fegelein, Marquis, Pyanda, RudeStyle in HD


    Day 5 ends WED APR 9TH 20:00 GMT/15:00 EST
     
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  2. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    Vote Rudestyle
     
  3. RudeStyle

    RudeStyle A year late x D

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    vote mike

    Marquis was right about finch so :I
     
  4. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    And you were also on the Marquis wagon so don't be subjective.

    You've done nothing but be a follower for this entire game, and that's not someone we want in LYLO. Not to mention, you're easily the scummiest person in the game atm.

    And if Rude is scum, Marquis is almost certainly clean imo.
     
  5. Pyanda

    Pyanda New Member

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    Can everyone please unvote and chill? We actually have a chance here and it's LYLO.

    Provide your own interpretation of things would be helpful.

    But we are in LYLO right now, not preparing for LYLO. We have 5 days to help us make the best decision, please don't rush things.
     
  6. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    [video=youtube;7biXuhEGaDs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7biXuhEGaDs[/video]

    Unvote
     
  7. Pyanda

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    Apologies but I really cannot tell if that was genuine or sarcasm.
     
  8. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    The unvote should tell you what you want to know.
     
  9. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    So the potential scum-team combos are:

    Marquis/Mike
    Marquis/Pyanda
    Marquis/Rudestyle
    Rudestyle/Mike
    Rudestyle/Pyanda
    Mike/Pyanda
    Fegelein/Marquis
    Fegelein/Pyanda
    Fegelein/Mike
    Fegelein/Rudestyle
     
  10. Pyanda

    Pyanda New Member

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    This combo is not possible otherwise we would have won.
    Speaking of which, Rude please unvote also.
     
  11. RudeStyle

    RudeStyle A year late x D

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    Well I've always thought Mike was scum ( admittedly yesterday marquis seemed scummier to me because of the stuff about metalgross. But my reads are terrible so whatever. ) . what i meant by mentioning marquis was " I can't really vote marquis over mike because he was right about finch being scum." Not going to rule out the possibility of marquis being scum since two mafia sides but it seems less likely.

    Unvote.
     
  12. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    As far as I'm concerned, both Mafia tried to kill Feg on Night 2.

    doing a metacheck on Pyanda after class
     
  13. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    So removing myself from proceedings for obvious reasons (do feel free to do your own analysis), here's my brief analysis of the combos.

    Marquis/Mike - They don't necessarily appear to have done much apart from bring each other up in passing, but then again, that's a very good scum strategy. This ranks quite highly.
    Marquis/Pyanda - Marquis could be using the Pyanda town alibi to "clean" his partner, giving him an excuse to buddy with him throughout the game. This is Seb's style, so this ranks very highly.
    Marquis/Rudestyle - This is quite unlikely due to Rudestyle's vote on Marquis last time.
    Rudestyle/Mike - Unlikely due to Me/Mike vs Hop/Rude
    Rudestyle/Pyanda - This correlates nicely due to Pyanda's backseating nature on the big debate in Day 2, not wanting to bus his partner, nor appear too obvious.
    Mike/Pyanda - Read Marquis/Mike

    So if I were to rank the possibilities:

    Likely:
    1: Marquis/Pyanda
    2: Rudestyle/Pyanda

    Possible:
    3: Marquis/Mike
    4: Mike/Pyanda

    Unlikely:
    5: Marquis/Rudestyle
    6: Rudestyle/Mike

    Ignoring the unlikely options that suggests Pyanda has a very good chance of being scum, but is far from absolute.

    In conclusion from that and my personal thoughts:

    1: Pyanda
    2: Rudestyle
    3: Marquis
    4: Mike

    Most scummy to least, but there's not much gap between the first three.

    Also, I have a suspicion we may have a second doctor for balancing reasons. What do you guys think of that?
     
  14. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    I think I'd be voting you if not for what I just said above
     
  15. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    Oh yes, I'll admit to that rolefishing, but it's going to help prevent a complete and utter clusterfuck on the final day.
     
  16. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    Oh, I just checked the setup, there is only one doctor.

    I'll just forget I said that:

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    actually

    i am planning on voting mike

    pyanda's posts strike me as genuine: reminding you it's LYLO, his reaction to my hammer earlier, etc
     
  18. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    yeah, unless someone successfully manages to convince me that mike isn't scum, i'm voting him, like, tonight

    his attack on me yesterday was horrible and the topic of his lynch was immediately dropped right after feg lightly defended him (at the time, I thought Feg was softclaiming Doctor on Mike to explain the 1 kill)

    rereading the first post, let me re-explain something to everyone:

    hannah was the only kill night 1

    the flavor says she was frozen

    meaning fire mafia's kill didn't go through

    the only ways to explain this are:

    1) mafia didn't kill which is unlikely considering all players left are fairly active

    2) metalgross protected fire mafias' target

    i'm really upset that metal never outed who he protected, or even crumbed it really hard

    like in general upset about that whole day of the doctor lynch (!) (!!!) (why no claim!!!???!)

    but if his target is still alive

    then they're clean of being mafia

    this is a stretch and it's nothing 100% confirmable but i want to reread metal's posts too and see who he likely protected (ie strongest townread).

    really hoping it'll be me since metal, like, loves me!!!!! love love love love~

    anyway yeah. l8r h8rs
     
  19. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    He could be doing that for town-cred. Plus, me and Rude weren't voting the same person so it wouldn't be stupid if he actually was scum.
     
  20. Pyanda

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    What is this town alibi thing?

    So you voted your second scummiest read instead of your first at the start of day 5?
     
  21. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    Marquis referred you as Town when I attacked you previously.

    After analysis, you seem to be the most likely to be scum. Rudestyle is still more scummy than you, it's just you have a higher possibility of being scum.
     
  22. NotMafia

    NotMafia Miltank: Destroyer of Souls

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    Deadline extended 24 hours due to site downtime
     
  23. Pyanda

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    This new forum format is weird, I am lost and scared.
    I don't think Marquis was being serious there.

    Fair enough.
     
  24. NotMafia

    NotMafia Miltank: Destroyer of Souls

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    Votecount 5.1 - LYLO

    Players in Game:
    - -Mike- (0)-
    - Fegelein (0)-
    - Marquis (0)-
    - Pyanda (0)-
    - RudeStyle in HD (0)-
    - Not Voting (5)- -Mike-, Fegelein, Marquis, Pyanda, RudeStyle in HD

    Starting Prod Counter(s) now due to site downtime


    Day 5 ends WED APR 9TH 20:00 GMT/15:00 EST
     
  25. Fegelein

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    Oh, I'm pretty sure he was because it was pretty late in the game. Why are you trying to discredit that argument with little basis?
     
  26. Pyanda

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    It was only at the start of day 2. The way Marquis said it didn't sound very serious to me.
    Because I know it's false? Other than that I don't have much evidence to support myself since you turned one simple comment into a scum strategy.

    2 scums on opposite wagons following experienced players seems like a pretty good strategy to me. But yes, unlikely since Rude appears quite new to be able to pull that off. (Not doubting anyone's ability, just concluding from this game)

    I am not sure how I backseated. But if I did, my partner could be anyone of you, Mike, Hop or Rude. Putting this as a reason for me and Rude scum team seems quite bias don't you think?

    When did I bring up Mike?
     
  27. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    No, Marquis told me that he had a town-read on you. If your only justification is "It wasn't serious" (which is very hard to read on Seb anyway), then you really need to have a better defence. Also, you know it's false?

    I'm doubtful due to Mike and Rude's lack of expertise, at least at the moment.

    You never took a side, you just sat back and let me and Hopkirk attack one another.



    Talk about hell-bent to lock yourself down into defensive mode when prompted.
     
  28. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    vote -mike-

    hi feg i'm sure you're town (at least for this lylo!!)

    hi pyanda i'd rather not lynch you today!! so i guess that means if you're scum and you plan on quickhammering... well don't : (
     
  29. Pyanda

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    You just said Marquis is hard to read, how do you know it was serious then? I don't have a better defense, but your reasoning isn't much better either.
    I know Marquis and I are not the scum team.

    I don't take sides until I am very sure what I am trusting.
    If I don't see a faulty point and none of the points raised concerns me why would I interrupt the argument? I think it's better to let them finish the argument on their own and then make decisions from the argument.
    And how exactly does this apply to Rude but not Mike?

    I don't understand.

    To me, it's easier to defend than to attack. Mainly because I don't know what I am attacking.

    It's better to let Mike talk before voting.

    You are the one who taught me how to quickhammer, but don't worry, I don't plan to.
     
  30. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    Oh, Mike's been online; he's been active.

    He just doesn't really know how to pretend he's town now.
     
  31. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    I still don't agree with a Mike lynch, and I really don't like Seb's overkeen demeanour to get rid of Mike.
     
  32. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    Well, let's see:

    You're town because both Mafia teams likely tried to kill you Night 2.

    I'm town because I'm me.

    This, at least for the most part, is Pyanda's town meta. When you and RudeStyle voted so early on:
    -as scum he'd go with the flow and lurk until a quickhammer was possible. He's very passive and only usually asks questions and tries to look like he's doing things as scum (see: Vivienne in POAMT, our scumteam in w/e game that was)
    -as town he'd do what he just did, and remind you that it's LYLO and you shouldn't vote. he doesn't just look like he's helping, but he is, and he's actively responding to you and pushing back against things. again, more aggressive than his scum meta.
     
  33. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    Of those townreads, though, the only one I'm confident in is myself. Then there's you, which is bad on my guessing what happened during Night 2, and I'm fairly sure both teams didn't try to kill me.
     
  34. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    So then that leaves

    -Mike-/Pyanda
    -Mike-/RudeStyle
    Pyanda/RudeStyle

    I'm finding the latter two more likely, and the middle one most likely due to what I've said about Pyanda. In general too, I'm reading Pyanda as town.

    The idea of scum-Mike and scum-RudeStyle should absolutely not be ignored simply on the basis that they're new. "It makes sense for new players to sheep other votes all game like they have." That applies to scum too, and arguably to new scum as well.

    I can also very easily see RudeStyle as scum pulling that brazen early vote on his partner. I see both Mike and Rude playing server more often, and the "need" to bus is much stronger there.

    Of course, this is a huge generalization. But the point I'm trying to make is that RudeStyle voting for Mike in no way makes it less likely that they're a couple mafia team, and that there is an argument that can be made making it more likely for them to be scum together.
     
  35. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    Why is that?

    A general question for everyone.
    How did Zoro's partner die?
     
  38. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    I wasn't outwardly exerting anywhere near as much scumhunting effort as Feg was at that point. He's the only player at that point who both teams would have incentive to kill.
     
  39. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    at least now i don't have to be worried about a quickhammer
     
  40. NotMafia

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    Votecount 5.1 - LYLO

    Players in Game:
    - -Mike- (1)- Marquis (L-2)
    - Fegelein (0)-
    - Marquis (0)-
    - Pyanda (0)-
    - RudeStyle in HD (0)-
    - Not Voting (4)- -Mike-, Fegelein, Pyanda, RudeStyle in HD


    The following users have not posted in the last 25 hours and risk being prodded

    -Mike-

    Day 5 ends WED APR 9TH 20:00 GMT/15:00 EST
     
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