[Final] Charizard

Discussion in 'OU Analyses' started by Dr. Doom, Mar 5, 2014.

  1. trc

    trc Active Member

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    Sd twind is a legit set since before serebii, and ive been pushing for mixed to go to oO for ages ._.
     
  2. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    TBH I wasn't keen on adding in the mixed set at first, but the QCs at the time made me. I'm not saying Serebii came up with the SD Tailwind set, that was just the first place I saw it. So do you think the double booster set should be added?
     
  3. trc

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    ya, add spdef zardy and 3 attacks roost while you're there, merge both dd sets too
     
  4. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    I'll add Double Dance and Roost + 3 Attacks (what EV spread would you recommend for Roost + 3 Attacks?), but the Dragon Dance sets play too differently to be merged IMO: one's an all out sweeper, the other's a bulky booster. I'm not sure about defensive Zard-Y either - wouldn't Zard-X's superior defensive typing make it more suited to that role?
     
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  5. Alfalfa

    Alfalfa Underappreciated

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    This is complete, but is it too late to suggest a change on Zard X?

    Dragon Dance Zard X without Roost and some defensive investment is complete ass, and gets worn down easily. Merge the first two sets into this:

    Charizard @ Charizardite X
    Trait: Blaze (Tough Claws)
    Nature: Adamant (+Atk -SAtk) / Jolly (+Spd -SAtk)
    EV: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 160 Spe / 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
    Dragon Dance
    Flare Blitz / Earthquake
    Dragon Claw
    Roost

    Zard X loses nothing by investing a little bit of bulk, bulkier spreads still have enough speed at +1 with the two spreads I have given you. It seems counter-intuitive on a more offensive team, but I am telling you, it fits fine. You have both my word and TRC's.


    (Outrage and Fire Punch into Other Options, Outrage 2HKOs Quagsire, but can ruin your sweep with confusion. Fire Punch is way too weak for this set.)

    The first spread allows you to have maximum power and outspeed Adamant Excadrill outside of sand, whereas the second spread allows you to outspeed Choice Scarf Landorus-T at +1, which is a common switch-in to Zard X.

    There is also no mention of Roost + 3 Attacks, put that into OO or give it its own set.
     
  6. Sakuya Izayoi

    Sakuya Izayoi love to hate

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    I think Jolly should be slashed in front of Adamant on the DD set. This is because with the major rise in usage of Scarf Landorus-T, Zard X definitely wants Jolly in order to beat Landorus-T after a DD. standard scarf gets KO'd with some chip damage, and so does Azumarill. I don't think the power difference is extremely huge to warrant the use of Adamant over Jolly, but outrunning Landorus-T is pretty huge on its own imo. I agree with a bulkier spread, it requires a bit of bulk in order to DD safely. Personally I have been running a 16 HP / 180 Atk / 96 SDef / 216 Spd spread with Jolly in order to outrun Scarf+ Kyurem-B and also having enough special bulk to ensure Rotom-W's Hydro Pump is never a 2hko. Roost has twice as much pp as Hydro Pump and you turn Rotom-W into DD set-up fodder. The attack evs still guarentee a clean KO on Azumarill after factoring Rocky Helmet+Iron Barbs+Stealth Rock damage, making Rocky Helmet Ferrothorn one of the best partners for Zard X. It also gets trapped by zone which has increased greatly in popularity and this gives Zard X a free DD :]
     
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  7. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Now ORAS is out I made a few changes.

    • Dragon Dance sets have been combined with a spread of 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spd with a Jolly nature. This is so you can outrun Scarf Landorus-T after boosting, while bulking Charizard up a bit. Roost has been slashed in with Earthquake, as without Earthquake you lose to Heatran, Tyranitar and M-Diancie. Subject to change depending on people's opinions
    • Outrage has been relegated to OO
    • Fire Punch has been moved off the offensive sets
    • Added Roost + 3 Attacks set
    • Changed Stallzard's set up to 248 HP / 140 Sdef / 120 Spd. This lets it outrun 252 Spd Jolly M-Tyranitar, as well as Adamant Gyarados and Excadrill and burn them before they can attack
    • M-Slowbro and M-Diancie have been added to C&C
    • HP Ice has been added to OO (for Garchomp and Dragonite)
    • General has been rewritten
     
  8. DeathScythe

    DeathScythe That One Dude you wanna be your friend

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    I got a crazy idea
    Charizard @ Assault vest
    Trait:Blaze
    Moves:
    Air slash.
    Fire Blast or FlameThrower
    Ancient power
    Dragon Pulse

    Evs: 64 SPD/252 SpA/64 HP/128Def
    Nature:Modest
    I call it the SpecialbulkZard
    Hope you guys like it
     
  9. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Assault Vest on a Pokémon X4 weak to Stealth Rock? Pass.
     
  10. DeathScythe

    DeathScythe That One Dude you wanna be your friend

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    I did say it was crazy but I should have been more specific in deatail . I would have had zard as my lead Me personally I would always have a fortress of some sort because of rocks spikes toxic spikes etc to rapid spin it away your thinking probably why not just lead with fortress and set up The Assault Vest help against his other 2 weaknesses (Water and Electric) Most Water and Electric Types I see in OU are Special. I will agree rock types are issue against zard. I wouldn't use that bulk zard In a hyper offensive strategy unlike it's Cousin Charizard X. With Zards decent spA he is a nice fire type to have. With some bulk he can probably wreck anything in OU. It isn't perfect though it isn't the fastest thing alive so sweepers like Kyurem B Have better odds against Zard. This set may seem a little broken but broken is sometimes good :]
     
  11. Alfalfa

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    Regular Charizard is extremely underwhelming; its Mega Evolutions are literally the only reason one would use it in OU. Also, Kyurem-B is not a sweeper; it is a wallbreaker, for it is too slow to sweep. You could run a Choice Scarf KyuB as a cleaner, but that does not deviate from Kyurem-B's main role as a wallbreaker.
     
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  12. Joyverse

    Joyverse Back for a blast!

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    Focus Blast or EQ.
    e: I swear StallZard X is legit. Keks so hard on the likes of Metagross, Landorus and RHChomp! '-')/