[NOC] NORMAL Mafia ◉ MAROON Thread ◉ [NOC] ◉ Game Over ◉ Finchinator and Raducan Win!

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  1. Dreams

    Dreams Active Member

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    the reason i did not claim was because i didn't know the roles beforehand .l thought rioku Distracts (Lol) and thought we'd wrap it up next day with an easy win
     
  2. Dreams

    Dreams Active Member

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    that is the biggest difference between both mafia styles. we already had insp and bg ...iassumed a pl rip me
     
  3. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    Yeah, server mafia town is too overpowered to work well in forum mafia. Finch was actually the Mafia Roleblocker/"Pretty Lady" to counteract you and aj.
     
  4. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    nah "server" mafia town works quite well in forum if you know what you are doing. it's what smogon does and is very successful for the most part. maybe not for NOC tho lol
     
  5. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    lol not noc
     
  6. Cobalt

    Cobalt Embrace the Cold

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    i was so bad oml
     
  7. ZoroDark

    ZoroDark i know everything

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    i'm one of those guys who read through every mafia game even when they're not in them and i feel like most of you guys did fairly well. that quickhammer day 1 was atrocious though, but well it actually worked out for you. props to finch for winning, even though he had become my #1 scum read after the luca. hammer.

    edit: yeah that massive 180 from finch probably would have cost him in a game where every player was more experienced. it's not only your fault though milost, rioku could have called him out too.

    but yeah don't worry about that, it's always easy to say that after the game.
     
  8. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    Tbh, I though I choked it away after the 180
    The rest was just aimless counter-arguing and covering up my own ass; good thing I can aimless counter-argue to death :D
     
  9. ajhockeystar

    ajhockeystar Proud Canadian

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    That game hurt to watch honestly. Finch was such obv scum... He was saying that Dreams, the guy who hammered Raducan(scum) d1 was scummy on d3. Sigh.
     
  10. waehofen

    waehofen Peace, love, & understanding

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    basically this except finch was my #1 scumread literally from his first d1 post

    e: I would never have caught Raducan though lol
     
  11. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    You guys have to take into consideration that I had to play to the level of my opposition. I wouldn't get away with much of what I did this game in a higher-level, more experienced Mafia game. However, as I was down a scum-partner and facing a large numerical disadvantage from the end of the first day, I needed to manipulate the inexperienced players and take advantage of anything I could.

    Specifically, @AJ, the Raducan hammer and...RVS wagon...wasn't really to be taken that seriously. I didn't put much weight on it and was really just going with suspicion and trying to confuse the town as much as possible, while evading suspicion against myself. Dreams was inexperienced and had a pseudo-alliance with Milost, so I needed one of them gone. Sadly, I couldn't push a Milost wagon at any point, so night-killing Dreams was sufficient in the end.

    @ZoroDark, completely agree with your analysis.

    @Wae, explain how you got a day 1 scum read off of me. I was basically RVSing and helping out new, incomprehensive players throughout the day. I don't think any newer player could've gotten a scum read off of that; even an experienced player, like yourself, probably wouldn't get too strong a scum read off of day 1. However, once day 2 began and I pushed lynches and played as I did, I could see a scum read forming.
     
  12. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    those of y'all who haven't joined my anon game should because 1) it lets you play without meta or past experiences to wreck you and 2) yeah pretty much it's fun af
     
  13. waehofen

    waehofen Peace, love, & understanding

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    ah, nevermind, I lied—I'm not exactly sure when I decided that, but I think when reading this post I put you down as my first scum read because I didn't think someone casting himself as the most experienced player in a closed-setup game should be explicitly claiming VT during D1. That might have been it; I didn't write anything down and I was skimming really fast so I'm not sure, but I remember being upset when I read luca.'s town read and wishing aj would post a stronger scum read. This one strengthened my belief, but couldn't have caused it.

    Gah. I want to do a better job of this because playing scum in that position can be pretty delicate (if you're alive in LyLo, it may raise someone's alarm bells) and something I've never done before to my knowledge and so I would like to know what to avoid doing myself. (Also, my reading/memory skills seem to get exponentially worse with speed, lol)
     
  14. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    your links are borked number the posts
     
  15. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    well the first one is
     
  16. waehofen

    waehofen Peace, love, & understanding

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    yay postgame editing :D
     
  17. meeps

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    ya waehofen i thought i pointed that out; i had a scumread on him too because of that post early in the game!!!

    also i like how raducan never posted
     
  18. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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  19. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    ^_^
    The people who caught onto me died for a reason!
     
  20. ZoroDark

    ZoroDark i know everything

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    roses are red violets are blue you died in my game so sucks to be you
    i can't stop laughing and my abs have been hurting since yesterday ugh. seb why :(
     
  21. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    It is because you are fat
     
  22. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    p o s t g a m e

    First off, some comments addressed to Dreams’ concerns early on.

    Going into a forum mafia game with the mindset of wanting to “tie” which is basically a no lynch is a horrible mindset. This is not server, there is MUCH more time to think about lynches and unvoting exists which is very, very helpful.

    You won’t really lose PRs quickly if you randomly vote because a) PRs can claim before they get hammered and b) unvoting + long day allows you to feel around rather than ‘rand.’ In RVS people like to throw their votes around, but you will never see any serious and experienced people blindly follow a wagon in forum mafia.

    To be honest the fact that there were inexperienced people in the game made it difficult to get a grasp on Finch early on – Finch likes to exaggerate his seriousness when he does get serious, so I kind of took it as null, but I don’t think the hyperactivity was any form of scuminess anyways.

    Lol at #65 though

    #76 is a pretty blow-uppy post but again if this wasn’t Finch I would’ve taken it as a scumtell, but Finch likes to overreact so meh.

    Re: Having multiple scum reads. Obviously if there are multiple mafia in the game it makes sense to have multiple scum reads. You wouldn’t want to read the whole game as town. It’s not scummy at all to have more scum reads than there are plausible scum because the way I see it a person’s play kind of follows some kind of baseline – if you’re playing better than it you are town, and if you aren’t playing as well you might be scum. Note that a bad player =/= scum but acting abnormally might point in that direction.

    #87 should have been a vote that went under more scrutiny. Why would Finch just bandwagon a vote without any reasoning?

    The irony of Milost making that post #96 and then doubling back on it when he finally votes Rioku in the end hurts.

    Quick hammer was silly. The mod posts to prod people if they aren’t saying anything, but I guess people have already told you that enough. Fortunately for Dreams Raducan flipped mafia but had he been town you would have gotten a lot of suspicion for it.

    #109 is probably Finch being too selfaware – “Now, one scum left and it is time to get serious. ”

    Dreams’ posts following that sadly do not take into account the possibility of bussing. It’s a common forum mafia tactic that sometimes people go too far into doing (see: Vanilla Mafia).

    Actually I would agree with Rioku in #117 – scum would not hammer scum, particularly if the person at L-1 hasn’t said anything. A partner would at least tell people to wait for them to say something so they can evaluate them (although any reasonable townie would wait for a statement from the soon-to-be-lynched in case they were lynching a PR or something).

    The early Zach33 hammer was also just as pointless and I think town learned from that cause they didn’t do any more really quick lynches, but still, had Raducan flipped town they would have been in a very quick LYLO.

    Re: kyu kill analysis – the kill felt pretty random because of lack of content from the late user so any efforts to try to divulge the identity of the killer based on motivation wouldn’t really amount to much.

    Rioku’s #162 reminds me of something. If you want to pressure someone, vote them! If you had just said up to “Milost's quick hammer gives me a strong scum read.” and then voted him it would’ve worked out because it still takes 4 to lynch and no one was going to quickhammer a 3rd time after they had quickhammered town (besides, Milost was fairly active).

    #179 lol strong counterwagon admittedly Dreams’ play of “HE IS 100% TOWN” wasn’t really a good thing to do as had Finch caught on to him softclaiming inspector he would’ve died earlier. Actually since Dreams had survived till day 3 the best play might have been to clean both Milost and Rioku then hammer one of luca/Finch and then gg. EDIT: oh wait Ascetic lol

    Re: Trying to reason out nightkills due to timezones – probably not something you should dwell on a lot

    Rioku’s selfvote was just a fairly bad play cause it didn’t matter what townie was lynched, if Dreams died it would be 3p LYLO and a quick hammer prevents people from talking it out. Actually it might have been fairly well thought out if he hadn’t already cleaned Finch from being scum.

    #241 is a horrible question rofl – just adds another layer of mindgames which is unhealthy imo

    #246 is probably a scum slip “if I get killed and flip town” obviously if you die you’re town in a one-mafia game

    Man Dreams’ play of constantly defending people is pretty strange. But at that point you had two confirmed cleans via yourself and Milost so I think claiming and then organizing a lynch on any of the latter three would have gotten a less confused village by LYLO. Of course that’s still basically what happened except no one had any idea what to do for the first few hours of the day.

    Props to Rioku for figuring out the softclaim but not voicing it in the thread though.

    @#354 you do not get towncred for calling people town – in fact it might be considered a scummy move in some circles because then you aren’t finding scum

    I like how Finch never claimed his role when Rioku claimed and voted him in response (even though it doesn’t really matter cause Finch got a fakeclaim I guess). But I feel Rioku claiming actual Town Ascetic (like the name) would’ve helped his case. Ascetic is a pretty out-there role that’s hard to fake.

    NEVER FLIP A COIN LIKE THAT I’m glad you didn’t. Always go with your gut at the very worst.

    #401 is the beginning of a series of posts of basically Finch trying too hard lol

    Like #404 omfg

    PS meta from ended games is usually a good idea unless they’re someone that can mask their meta really well. This is a beginner game, so I’d have used it as a good argument. Finch’s case with meta was bad because Rioku didn’t play a lot like Laurel – Laurel basically blew up and yelled at everyone. Rioku was being his more resigned self like he was in Vanilla early on (hint: he was town)

    #441 is really reaaaally bad Finch is playing like he’s already won when he should not be

    Still, a fairly well played game as I said for everyone.
     
  23. Raducan

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    hi this is my first post in this thread. i apologize for not being attentive to the game at first, but thx finch for winning it
     
  24. ZoroDark

    ZoroDark i know everything

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    just in time imo