Kid Icarus (KI)

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  1. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    Didn't think it was needed at first, but so it can win on its own, the Stolen Soul now has a -0.1 voteshield to win votes one on one. In simpler terms a Stolen Soul can take down even Hades!
     
  2. Sky Sentinel

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    A stolen soul should not have to win on its own. If it's alone, it's alone and it's screwed, it's not supposed to be this big strong role anymore...
     
  3. Joeypals!!

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    I got multiple complains from people about the Stolen Soul being worthless. Plus, if Nameless Morphs in FE can have -3 voteshields, why can't a Stolen Soul (basically the exact same thing) have a -0.1 voteshield? Besides, it'd be situational at best like I said, only helping when it's down to 2.
     
  4. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    But that wouldn't happen that often. Chaos Kin needs some more hardcore resistance from mafia and village. Make him immune to distract? or protect AND convert the Stolen Soul?
     
  5. Joeypals!!

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    I'm OK with immune to distract. I'm gonna post the thread to my new theme soon, then update that.
    EDIT: I didn't do anything with the Chaos Kin cause he's fine for now I think, but Phoenix cannot be converted now and the priority list has been cleaned up a bit. I might do something to clean up all the Dyntos at the beginning later, but I think this is much cleaner than before. Oh, and also the hidden distract for the Palutena that knows Pit that I didn't even notice was still coded is gone now.
    EDIT2: I settled on Chaos Kin being unable to be distracted to give him a better shot so that'll be tested out.
    EDIT3: Removed 4 of the Forgetful Humans and hide Forgetful Human (fhuman2)'s role so that only one info pops up when you do /roles ki:forgetful human instead of 6.
    EDIT4: I might be insane at this point but I gave Phoenix2 a 75% chance to avoid daykills.
    EDIT5: Retracting Chaos Kin's ability to be distracted.
    EDIT6: Gave the bots a special touch for kills and, for balance reasons, moved Chaos Kin back 2 slots in the spawn list. He now falls between the two forgetful humans in roles2.
    EDIT7: After a giant circle, only 1 Forgetful Human now. The Forgetful Humans that spawn are no longer random.
    EDIT8: Eggplant Wizard's convert is now every 3rd night, big game Phoenix no longer exposes.
    EDIT9: For now, phoenix2 evades 60% of daykills and 40% of nightkills to try to help it. More edits might come later.
    EDIT10: Due to too many 0/-1.1 pulls, I moved one Greedy far back in the roles2 spawn and moved up a normal Human.
    EDIT11: (holy shit) After seeing some coding wasn't working, I replaced it so that Palutena truly avoids daykills from Pit now.
    EDIT12: Broke up roles1 into roles1-3. In essence, I just added a Greedy Human for games of 9. This Greedy Human inspects as Nutski.
    EDIT13: Added a non-peak version for games of 3-4 people. In games of 3, there's two Humans with a Stolen Soul, who only has a voteshield of -0.1. In games of 4, to add confusion, there's a Forgetful Human who sees itself as a Human, but will always have a vote of 0.5. The roles are coded as soul2 and fhuman3, respectively.
    EDIT14: Despite recent events which are getting dealt with, I will still try to manage the theme.
    EDIT15: With the situation being resolved, I will continue managing KI.
     
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  6. -Mike-

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  7. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    OMG, finally I can make my edits in another post lmao.

    Joking aside, I'll get to that ASAP. Thanks for bringing it up.

    EDIT: Fixed... I hope.
    EDIT2: human, ghuman2, and ghuman3 are now VCLRs.
     
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  8. Joeypals!!

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    OPINION POLL

    As I stated back when I made this thread on October 6th 2013, I was considering adding an Aurum side somewhere. Now I think I've come up with a solution, but I need help from you guys.

    As we know, larger games can get a little crazy with converts. However, the general concept I have right now revolves around 3 Aurum, not sure which, replacing the Chaos Kin and two other roles that have yet to be determined starting for roles6. Whereas the Chaos Kin is alone, the general idea is that the team shares a convert along with having side actions. Currently, I have planned a protect, inspect, and either of a vote of 2 or a poison for the last one. I want your opinions on this so if you have any insight on this, please feel free to post.

    Also, as a warning, I have plans of bringing Dyntos down into more playable area. Not sure where I will drop it to, but that guy needs some major testing.

    EDIT: I also plan on adding a restricted /tt between Pit and Palutena to cut down on confusion of what to do between the two roles.

    EDIT2: Added that, also removing the 3-4 game version of this theme. I simply hate it so that change with the Aurum goes for roles5.

    EDIT3: Non-peak now removed.
     
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  9. Ghengars Khan

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    In my opinion Dyntos should come somewhere around Arlon although he would have to be nerfed somewhat because of his power.
    The Aurum could be good in replacing Chaos Kin but 3 mafia teams in a game of, say 15, is quite a lot. The Aurum would have a protect, a distract, and/or some sense of vote power along with the shared convert.

    Phoenix, just in my opinion, needs a buff somewhat because it's practically a poor man's Hades AND it's alone. Maybe give it a distract + poison in the command burn. Of course if you were to do this then Pyrrhon would have to be moved closer to Phoenix's spawn to accompany the change, if you do it that is.
     
  10. Joeypals!!

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    What I had planned was that the Aurum were specifically roles6 whereas the Chaos Kin is strickly roles5. And as for Phoenix, I'll probably give it a pierce kill and slightly lower the evades, the pierce so that it can beat Hades and other stuff like the Knight with ease.

    EDIT: Pandora now converts when Pittoo is converted. To accommodate with coding, Stolen Soul's convert chance went into a kill.
     
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  11. Joeypals!!

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    From what I've seen lately, KI is regarded as "not fun, confusing, etc", as evidenced by both reactions to mentioning the theme and the player drop when it is played.

    What I want to know from you guys is what the problem is. Is the theme too complex? Is there too much to watch out for? I want to hear both QC and user responses to this, so please respond so I know how to fix this theme up to be more likable.

    EDIT: Added tips. updateTeam will come eventually, no plans on using preventTeamvote.
     
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  12. Joeypals!!

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    After looking over the theme some more, I realized I forgot some massive, loved/hated Underworld characters. I'll break down who these people are and their status.

    Definitely on the way
    Thanatos - Ability already decided, or at least the main one
    Dark Lord Gaol - Unsure of ability
    Great Reaper - Half the time, his kill will actually turn someone into a Reapette.
    Reapette - Read above, Reapette will share a kill.
    Twinbellows - Unsure of ability
    Hewdrew - Still working out some kinks

    Possibly on the way
    Mimicutie - Unsure of ability
    Hades's Heart - Might make this like Hypse from Dinos

    Changes to current Underworld Army roles (on the way)
    Eggplant - When Wizard dies, so will Eggplant. +999 voteshield

    Possible new side
    Aurum? If this is added, n1, they will all have a /copy which will turn them into whatever they chose. No matter the form, everyone has a kill for the night, besides n1. Can't be distracted n1.



    How the Underworld Bosses will work is they will be randomized alongside Amazon Pandora for some sizes of the small games (Amazon is definitely staying for 5-7, unsure on 8 or 9, 10 definitely rotation) and will replace the Underworld Merenguy for the 3rd Underworld Spot, though the Merenguy will ultimately shift down with the numbers still being the same because Skuttler will be deleted.

    EDIT: Eggplant and Stolen Soul die when Eggplant Wizard and Chaos Kin do, respectively. Eggplant has a +999 voteshield.
     
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  13. Sky Sentinel

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    You really need to stop adding a million billion underworld roles and complicating things, a randomized mafia is just going to give everyone problems. You're adding way too much unneeded/arbitrary to this theme. The votes on the "special" villagers which don't even make sense in this theme are ridiculous, leaving a village win up to a coin flip. Chaos Kin dying should not kill the stolen souls. They've been "carefully crafted" to be able to win without the Chaos Kin. One of the original problems with this theme was too many underworld roles, I don't care how you put them in or if you make a random spawn thing it's just waaaaay too much. Eggplant thing is ridiculous too.
     
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    Well it's either this or I let the theme continue to decline from being dry. It's going to run on a rotation cycle, meaning they're not going to all be in at once. Therefore, you should switch around your concern and excitement levels because I know exactly what I'm doing with this move.
     
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    The only thing causing the theme to decline is the completely random changes you're making
     
  16. Joeypals!!

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    Excuse me, but the changes I made are what got the theme approved . I'm not sure what you've been blinded by, whether it be hatred for me or simply your way or the high way as seen in other threads, but as far as I'm concern this is exactly what KI needs. People have been asking for Thanatos for ages and just Thanatos alone makes it feel out of place. Therefore, I'm bringing in these bosses on a rotating system to not only keep the balance, but also make the theme more fun.
     
  17. Sky Sentinel

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    The changes you made earlier, when the theme was in Review and needed changes. I never said I hated you. What makes you think that I hate you?
    I'm telling you, as a member of Mafia Quality Control, that this "rotation" change is not going to work.
     
  18. IceKirby

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    Considering the quality of your reviews, I'm not sure if this means much. Arguments to base your point where?
     
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    Considering the fact that I tried to give you criticism and you've been subtling bashing myself and this theme over the last two days afterwards, that.

    Anyway, that's not the issue here, it's the theme. You may not believe in it, but I do and will use it as I desire. The characters are needed for both flavor and possible balance reasons, and this lets me kill both birds with one stone.
     
  20. Fate Testarossa

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    I'm going to agree with Sky Sentinel on this one. I'm honestly not a fan of the random votes (Forgetful Human and Greedy Human) because I feel this is essentially an element of luck that can take a win away from village via a coin flip even if they did just about everything right. I also think that Eggplant's voteshield should be removed, since a single vote can lynch it, and from what I see, it doesn't have any actual actions. A team could just split votes over a bunch of people and still get the Eggplant lynched while finding potential teammates as well. Maybe give Eggplant small hax on kills and other night commands (possibly even day commands if you wanted to)? I have no actual knowledge of KI, so I'm not sure what would make sense for roles and flavor, but that's just a thought. As for Chaos Kin, I am strongly against the idea of having it kill Stolen Souls when it dies or is lynched. I say this because I find the Chaos Kin to be decent, but not very strong as basically a solo role; I feel like it lacks the abilities needed to win a few games. As for the Stolen Souls, their /meet command is random, so there's a chance they can't even support Chaos Kin (bar their votes). Again, I'm not sure about flavor or what would work best, but maybe have the /meet command as just a simple inspect? Even then, bar the luck factor the current /meet command has, that side has no killing power outside of poison. The side just seems much too weak for it to win; it probably needs a kill or something (maybe the Stolen Souls could all share a nightkill, as this would give them the ability to win even if the Chaos Kin is out). Lastly, when it comes to adding and shuffling more roles, I believe you shouldn't add so many new roles at once. KI is an underplayed theme, and as you said yourself, the only way to learn a theme is by playing it. That means that adding a plethora of new roles will just confuse those who have been accustomed to the gameplay before the introduction of such roles. Take a look at popular themes like Zelda, Kirby, and DN (especially Zelda). These themes are quite simple to play and grasp the concept of how to play the games. There is nothing particularly outstanding or notable about standard samurai Link or exposer Mike Kirby, yet the themes are still popular and played very often. If you want to make changes to KI and add new roles, that's great--in fact, it would probably help (hype and all of that jazz) to get more people to play the game. I will say that I would only add a few roles at a time, at least until people get the hang of the changes being made. That was quite a bit, but there are my thoughts!
     
  21. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    THIS is how you make a forum post for review. Thank you Espeon.

    Right now, the changes are based on the games, based on how Pit is when he is hit by the Eggplant Wizard's spell and the Chaos Kin.

    The Chaos Kin, in his chapter, controls all the chaos going on in terms of copied enemies and the like. When he's finished, the area becomes a relatively calm area and there's no sights of copied enemies or Shadow Pit anywhere, meaning when he's finished, so is the rest of the land until he recovers. So that makes sense in terms of flavor, as for balance I've already thought heavily about reverting it to not being distractable based on the change.

    As for the Eggplant, it can literally do nothing. In the games, when the Wizard hits you with his spell, you're stuck running around and dodging his shots, a rather slow run may I add. You can't use your weapon, you can't do a dash to charge, you're hopeless until the effect wares off.

    In all honesty, the reason why this theme is so low most of the time, I feel, is because there's not enough spice to make it exciting. It's not that the characters are complex (in fact, they're relatively simple), it's just the theme is relatively bland. That is why I'm making this change and why I will be hyping the theme.

    Oh, and in terms of Forgetful and Greedy, I already have a plan to make sure one has a solid vote while the other has the other. For example, the Greedy that inspects Pandora will have -1.1 votes while the one that inspects as Viridi will have 1.1 votes. Ironically enough, that's how I had it before the randomization.

    EDIT: Speaking of irony, I find it highly ironic that the posts being liked here the ones that have no idea about the game and all the mechanics that go into it, nor any section of the game. I have 98.2% of the story completed and have logged over 100 hours. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing here people.

    EDIT2: So, game plan in the end, besides what I've mentioned, I'm going with my original Hype KI path. It brings the spice it needs and I've already got it figured out in terms of how I'm going to keep the theme balanced.

    Also, what I have to say is this. @Sky Sentinel and all the people who follow his comments against myself and my theme, especially over the last two days (everyone has noticed, don't pretend there isn't a problem), if you actually have an issue, send it to me VIA PM. I'm tired of being accused of starting fights and shit when I'm one person defending my work against a multitude of people, yet I'm the one starting arguments.
     
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  22. Fate Testarossa

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    Sounds sensible as it matches with the flavor, but do you think there might be any way to make Chaos Kin tougher to take down? Chance to evade, survive a lynch, hax PRs? (Not sure if there's any flavor to back this up if you do choose to add anything to this role.) While no theme is a golden standard, I think of roles like FE's Nergal, and how he has teammates to help him out (pretty decent teammates at that as well). Since the Chaos Kin controls all the chaos, maybe he can also control the Stolen Souls? By that I guess I mean take a turn to power them up (rather than poison an enemy) so they can support him in any way possible. I know I said it in the previous post, but it still seems a bit too weak if you ask me.

    Not sure how you would go about this, but maybe this could work similar to Kronos's /devour command in myth; strip the target of their powers (commands) or weaken their abilities (give the commands a fail chance or reduce evasion chance, hax, voting power, etc.). Another option might be that if they are converted into Eggplant, they just don't have the voteshield (I guess this is where you decide just how helpless you want the role to be). I would say they should be able to re-convert back into their original role after a certain number of nights (since the spell effects eventually wear off), but that could just backfire for that mafia team. (I guess I'm stumped here.)

    Earlier you said you had some abilities already decided for these newer roles. Despite the fact that no one has posted in response to these changes before today, do these changes include any suggestions (if any) that others may have given? (I saw a few people excited about Thanatos being added, and I know that most people are inclined to play a theme if it has something they like or specifically suggested.) I'm not sure if you'd want to post or edit a post that says what the abilities are for these newer roles and then get some feedback, or if it was meant to be a surprise once you added the new roles.

    Sounds good to me!
     
  23. Joeypals!!

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    The only other thing I can think of in terms of the Eggplant is maybe have them convert into a Monoeye or something by saying "the spell went weird", but that would only be after a certain number of nights. And for Kin, I already have 3 evaders once the Phoenix comes in, so that's a little too much. Maybe do something like Brony and have a voteshield increase, starting at -1, for each Stolen Soul it has? Idk, I'm just testing that atm.

    EDIT: I /could/ make Kin hax Palutena, for it was her soul that the Chaos Kin stole during that chapter now that I think about it.

    EDIT2: It won't be a total surprise, the abilities, if you paid attention to the games. Like Thanatos is the God of Death, but in Uprising he's pretty hilarious, so he won't be this Sephorith-type role.
     
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    I'm good with the Eggplant converting into a Monoeye after a certain number of nights. It keeps them from being completely helpless and gives them some viability if they can last long enough as Eggplant (depending on the spawn and other roles/sides, I might even go as far as to say the converted Monoeyes get an unshared kill as it makes the seemingly helpless Eggplants worth keeping an eye on; might be a bit of a stretch, but it's just something I'm throwing out there to consider, whether it be for this role or any other role or future role you add to the theme). The idea of a voteshield that gets stronger with each Stolen Soul sounds like a great idea to me as well.
     
  25. Dreadpool

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    I'm interested in seeing the new roles that you are talking about, Thanatos and Hewdraw were my two favourite bosses not yet in the game (Hades is awesome).

    I know the idea of the Aurum is floating about now and then, and seeing as they actually create their troops based on other enemies.
    Perhaps they could start with just the Brain and/or Hive, and can convert enemies (Nuttski, Monoeye ect) to aurum forces. Something else to consider is when the brain dies, all other aurum die with it (could be op or wreck them) or when the brain dies pyrrhon gets a buff and whatnot.
     
  26. Joeypals!!

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    That convert could be interesting, but here's my concern. By the point the Aurum come in, you'll already have the Eggplant Wizard and the Chaos Kin, two roles which convert. Adding a 3rd converting role would simply create... chaos and would feel like shoving Trainers into something like, say, Death Note. That's why I had the copy idea, that way they can copy the abilities of their target and do what they need to from there. Aurum Pyrrhon would be interesting, but we'll have to see, as nice as the Aurum would be it may be too much for the balance to handle.
     
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    Fair point, my only concern was adding more grunt level people to the mix, but changing the spawn a bit like swapping some humans for aurum may fix that.
    The balance can handle any amount of sides, it is just a case of making sure that whatever you put in, can come out just as easily. If you add another 4 roles for the Aurum side say, will the other sides be 4 places worse or better off. Ultimately it is your theme but I think it could work if you find out how to get the spawn right with their addition.
     
  28. Windblown

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    This thread is full of bullshit that shouldn't be here which I can't delete personally, so cut it out. Also if anyone goes too far offtopic you're definitely going to be infracted. Just making a note. Confirming. All offending posts, and those that referenced deleted posts have been wiped. -Fuzzysqurl

    As for 'rotating' roles or whatever's going on here, yes, there's a difference between split spawn and changing roles to go in and out of season. Before you bring up what I did in Myth, they're supposed to be strictly seasonal roles (Santa for Christmas, Leprechaun for St. Patrick's Day, Cupid for Valentine's Day, etc) that should be little more than Easter Eggs. Most of those roles aren't even balanced and the only reason they were left in the spawn much longer than they were supposed to is because people liked those seasonal additions (also cause I kept forgetting to take Lep out of small games). There's nothing illegal about rotating roles in and out of spawn, but as a mafia player I'm not going to enjoy having to learn about more Underworld roles because I'd rather play a theme with less roles to know rather than more. Go ahead and do it if you want but don't be surprised if it doesn't catch on.

    As for Chaos Kin, yes, you need to generally make a role strong enough to win on its own if you're going to have its converts die with it (in the case of Nergal he has his team and his kill, CK doesn't even have a kill iirc), how you buff it is up to you.

    I don't have time to elaborate on other things right now, and I know nothing about the KI universe but just wanted to bring up a couple of general notices about theming.
     
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  29. Fate Testarossa

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    I'm still not a fan of rotating roles, but split spawn definitely works as it keeps all roles in the theme. It might be part of the solution to spicing up the theme, as play style can change depending on which roles happen to spawn to keep each game interesting. Besides that, he's a game log.

    (12:45:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:45:08) Times Up! :
    (12:45:08) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (12:45:08) ±Game: You are a Hades!
    (12:45:08) ±Game: You are Hades, God of the Underworld! You are all-powerful, and laugh at any petty resistance that dares to stand in your way! While your only action is a nightkill (/kill [name]), you cannot be distracted or haxed! You should do the killing on your team. Also, you are immune to nightkills! (Hint: Use /tt to talk to your team!)
    (12:45:08) ±Game: Your team is Espeon (Hades).
    (12:45:08) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee, Viridi.
    (12:45:08) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Chulbul Pandey, Dewbong, Espeon, Kuroha, Leonez, Princess Zelda, Sarah TWDG, Sharck Attack, anup0605, hazza1985.
    (12:45:08) ±Current Team: Hades
    (12:45:08) ±Time: Night 1
    (12:45:08) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (12:45:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:45:11) Leonez: bacon*
    (12:45:18) Dewbong: chicken and beef is best meat
    (12:45:19) Dewbong: imo
    (12:45:21) ±Game: You have chosen to kill Chulbul Pandey!
    (12:45:24) Kuroha: >.>
    (12:45:27) Leonez: Kuroha
    (12:45:28) Leonez: bad
    (12:45:30) Kuroha: yep
    (12:45:32) Leonez: they pulled that face
    (12:45:35) Chulbul Pandey: u got hax?
    (12:45:35) Leonez: >.>
    (12:45:39) Kuroha: >.>
    (12:45:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:45:48) Times Up! :
    (12:45:48) ±Palutena: anup0605 (Magnus) has been defeated in battle!
    (12:45:48) ±Palutena: hazza1985 (Pittoo) has been defeated in battle!
    (12:45:48) ±Palutena: Chulbul Pandey (Palutena) has been defeated in battle!
    (12:45:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:45:48) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Phosphora, Pit, Souflee, Viridi.
    (12:45:48) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Dewbong, Espeon, Kuroha, Leonez, Princess Zelda, Sarah TWDG, Sharck Attack.
    (12:45:48) ±Current Team: Hades
    (12:45:48) ±Time: Day 1 (Standby)
    (12:45:48) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (12:45:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:45:53) Sarah TWDG: lmao
    (12:45:55) Kuroha: ...
    (12:45:56) +Princess Zelda: wow
    (12:45:57) +Espeon: how is that funny
    (12:46:00) +Espeon: are you mafia
    (12:46:00) Cheezeburgar: :o
    (12:46:01) +Espeon: ?
    (12:46:01) Dewbong: can I just get one killer role omg
    (12:46:03) Sarah TWDG: !!!!!!!!!
    (12:46:03) Leonez: they are mafia
    (12:46:06) Leonez: they laughed
    (12:46:06) Sarah TWDG: i mean oh no
    (12:46:10) +Espeon: TOO LATE
    (12:46:12) +Espeon: REPENT SINNER
    (12:46:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:46:14) ±Palutena: Pit jumps from Skyworld and soars into the thick of battle. He draws his Meteor Bow, and fires a shot straight through Leonez's heart, killing them instantly!
    (12:46:14) ±Palutena: Leonez (Forgetful Human) has been defeated in battle!
    (12:46:14) ±Palutena: Before dying, Leonez snapped their fingers and remembered that Kuroha was a Forgetful Human too!
    (12:46:14) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:46:15) ±Game: You can only vote during the voting phase!
    (12:46:18) Dewbong: Sarah is good
    (12:46:18) +Espeon: ,
    (12:46:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:46:18) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Phosphora, Pit, Souflee, Viridi.
    (12:46:18) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Dewbong, Espeon, Kuroha, Princess Zelda, Sarah TWDG, Sharck Attack.
    (12:46:18) ±Current Team: Hades
    (12:46:18) ±Time: Day 1 (Voting)
    (12:46:18) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (12:46:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:46:20) Kuroha: err
    (12:46:20) Dewbong: totally
    (12:46:28) Cheezeburgar: many forgetful
    (12:46:28) Cheezeburgar: such wow
    (12:46:29) Kuroha: my friend said im bad
    (12:46:32) +Espeon: lol
    (12:46:34) Kuroha: >.>
    (12:46:41) +Princess Zelda: eso
    (12:46:42) +Espeon: I think your friend can take that back now
    (12:46:42) +Princess Zelda: Espeon
    (12:46:44) +Espeon: hi
    (12:46:44) MEWinfinity left the channel.
    (12:46:45) +Princess Zelda: what just happened
    (12:46:45) Sarah TWDG: dewgong is a cute pokemon
    (12:46:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:46:48) Times Up! :
    (12:46:48) No one was voted off!:
    (12:46:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:46:48) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Phosphora, Pit, Souflee, Viridi.
    (12:46:48) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Dewbong, Espeon, Kuroha, Princess Zelda, Sarah TWDG, Sharck Attack.
    (12:46:48) ±Current Team: Hades
    (12:46:48) ±Time: Night 2
    (12:46:48) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (12:46:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:46:49) Kuroha: yeah i think
    (12:46:53) +Espeon: hell if I know
    (12:47:00) +Espeon: I will just sit and wait for th x fire
    (12:47:03) ±Game: You have chosen to kill Sarah TWDG!
    (12:47:06) +Espeon: the*
    (12:47:10) Dewbong: I am Dewbong
    (12:47:14) Dewbong: im cuter
    (12:47:16) Dewbong: tbh
    (12:47:16) Cheezeburgar: no i am dewbong
    (12:47:17) +Espeon: destroyer of world
    (12:47:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:47:18) Times Up! :
    (12:47:18) ±Palutena: Sarah TWDG (Souflee) has been defeated in battle!
    (12:47:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:47:18) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Phosphora, Pit, Viridi.
    (12:47:18) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Dewbong, Espeon, Kuroha, Princess Zelda, Sharck Attack.
    (12:47:18) ±Current Team: Hades
    (12:47:18) ±Time: Day 2 (Standby)
    (12:47:18) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (12:47:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:47:19) +Espeon: s
    (12:47:29) +Princess Zelda: very nice xfire
    (12:47:30) +Princess Zelda: Espeon
    (12:47:30) Kuroha: err
    (12:47:31) +Espeon: shoot hades so fon wins
    (12:47:32) Dewbong: souflé
    (12:47:34) Dewbong: ono
    (12:47:34) Cheezeburgar: best xfire
    (12:47:38) +Espeon: do it Pit
    (12:47:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:47:40) ±Game: Sharck Attack descends from Skyworld in all his glory, calling to his allies!
    (12:47:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:47:42) +Princess Zelda: ok
    (12:47:44) +Princess Zelda: do that
    (12:47:45) +Espeon: shoot Hades so FoN wins :o
    (12:47:46) Kuroha: \o/
    (12:47:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:47:48) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Phosphora, Pit, Viridi.
    (12:47:48) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Dewbong, Espeon, Kuroha, Princess Zelda, Sharck Attack.
    (12:47:48) ±Current Team: Hades
    (12:47:48) ±Time: Day 2 (Voting)
    (12:47:48) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (12:47:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:47:51) +Espeon: ,
    (12:47:57) +Espeon: pit and forgetful
    (12:47:58) +Espeon: are revealed
    (12:48:04) +Espeon: so...
    (12:48:07) ±Game: Espeon drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Dewbong!
    (12:48:08) ±Game: Princess Zelda drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Dewbong!
    (12:48:10) +Princess Zelda: this is mafia
    (12:48:12) ±Game: Cheezeburgar drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Dewbong!
    (12:48:12) Dewbong: wow
    (12:48:14) Dewbong: ok
    (12:48:14) ±Game: Kuroha drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Dewbong!
    (12:48:16) +Espeon: rip phosphora
    (12:48:17) Dewbong: I'm human
    (12:48:17) +Espeon: you tried
    (12:48:18) Kuroha: err w/e
    (12:48:19) ±Game: Sharck Attack drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Dewbong!
    (12:48:26) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:48:26) Times Up! :
    (12:48:26) ±Palutena: Dewbong (Human) has been removed from the godly war!
    (12:48:26) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:48:26) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Hades, Phosphora, Pit, Viridi.
    (12:48:26) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Espeon, Kuroha, Princess Zelda, Sharck Attack.
    (12:48:26) ±Current Team: Hades
    (12:48:26) ±Time: Night 3
    (12:48:26) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (12:48:26) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:48:30) Sharck Attack: aww
    (12:48:36) Cheezeburgar: rip
    (12:48:37) Cheezeburgar: hooman
    (12:48:40) ±Game: You have chosen to kill Sharck Attack!
    (12:48:41) Sharck Attack: whos forgetful
    (12:48:47) +Espeon: Cheezeburgar is
    (12:48:49) Sharck Attack: ok
    (12:48:51) Kuroha: err
    (12:48:53) +Espeon: mafia should kill him
    (12:48:56) Cheezeburgar: i am delicious
    (12:48:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:48:56) Times Up! :
    (12:48:56) ±Palutena: Sharck Attack (Pit) has been defeated in battle!
    (12:48:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:48:56) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Hades, Phosphora, Viridi.
    (12:48:56) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Espeon, Kuroha, Princess Zelda.
    (12:48:56) ±Current Team: Hades
    (12:48:56) ±Time: Day 3 (Standby)
    (12:48:56) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (12:48:56) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:48:56) Cheezeburgar: ??
    (12:49:01) +Espeon: ok that failed
    (12:49:03) Kuroha: >.>
    (12:49:03) +Princess Zelda: Ok
    (12:49:06) +Espeon: and we're all bad anyways
    (12:49:10) +Princess Zelda: Im forgetful
    (12:49:11) +Princess Zelda: ?
    (12:49:14) +Espeon: lies
    (12:49:26) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:49:26) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Hades, Phosphora, Viridi.
    (12:49:26) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Espeon, Kuroha, Princess Zelda.
    (12:49:26) ±Current Team: Hades
    (12:49:26) ±Time: Day 3 (Voting)
    (12:49:26) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (12:49:26) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:49:31) ±Game: Cheezeburgar drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Espeon!
    (12:49:32) +Espeon: I just realized
    (12:49:33) ±Game: Princess Zelda drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Espeon!
    (12:49:34) ±Dratini: Mateo TNT was muted by Stocke for 1 hour! [Reason: Rule 5] [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (12:49:35) +Espeon: Pit coulda claimed n1
    (12:49:36) +Espeon: aw
    (12:49:40) +Espeon: you are mean
    (12:49:40) ±Game: Kuroha drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Espeon!
    (12:49:42) Kuroha: rip
    (12:49:42) +Princess Zelda: phosphora
    (12:49:43) Cheezeburgar: rip
    (12:49:43) +Princess Zelda: i think
    (12:49:44) +Espeon: nooooooo
    (12:49:45) +Espeon: SHOOT ME
    (12:49:48) ±Game: Espeon drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Espeon!
    (12:49:48) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:49:48) Times Up! :
    (12:49:48) ±Palutena: Espeon (Hades) has been removed from the godly war!
    (12:49:48) ±Palutena: The human race was in a state of panic as Reset Bombs rained upon Planet Earth. Cheezeburgar and Princess Zelda laughed triumphantly, removing the greedy humans from Earth and restoring the natural balance of life.
    (12:49:48) ±Game: The Palutena's Army (Kuroha) lose!
    (12:49:48) ***************************************************************************************
    Pretty solid for only 3 mafias, although I will mention that there was absolutely zero crossfire and Pit only killed town roles. Even after day 1, I'd still say village had a shot at winning (a small one, but still a chance nonetheless). Forgetful and Greedy Humans still have their random votes though! D: I kind of wish I had a partner, but I see that Pandora comes in at 14, so I think that's all right for the time being. Not much else to say, sorry for the lack of feedback.
     
  30. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    You're fine Espeon, and I think I may have used the wrong word. What I meant was random spawn, not rotation, I've just been at a loss of conciseness with my inability to sleep lately. To those I confused I'm sorry, I meant that.

    As for games of 11 and 12 (aka, no Chaos Kin yet), I can throw in a Monoeye until the Kin comes in if need be, but saying as Hades is essentially Ganondorf who wins just fine alone in similiar-ish circumstances, it should be fine now.

    I was going to make the concise votes last night but I was up til 6 last night making sure more bullshit didn't happen in the thread. Gonna update that now.

    EDIT: Edited with changes I mentioned earlier in terms of Greedy and Forgetful Humans, only thing I didn't mention is that the Greedy Human for 10- games is now just a miller.
     
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  31. Fate Testarossa

    Fate Testarossa Unbreakable Bond

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    (15:40:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:40:19) Times Up! :
    (15:40:19) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (15:40:19) ±Game: You are a Palutena!
    (15:40:19) ±Game: You are the Goddess of Light, Palutena! You must protect the innocent humans from the Underworld and the Forces of Nature! You can use /inspect [name] to find the bad guys! Beware though, as both Pittoo and Medusa inspect as Hades. No fear though, you know Pit, with whom you may speak using /tt!
    (15:40:19) ±Game: The Pit is Ashton Irwin!
    (15:40:19) ±Current Roles: Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Hades, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee, Viridi.
    (15:40:19) ±Current Players: -Moriarty-, A Random Llama, Ashton Irwin, Blanc., Espeon, FhKyle x10, King.Ashnard, OTakumi, Palutena, Rem, Sarah TWDG, Wizard, adb1126.
    (15:40:19) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee
    (15:40:19) ±Time: Night 1
    (15:40:19) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (15:40:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:40:26) Rem: Oh come on
    (15:40:28) +Espeon: rofl one short of pandora
    (15:40:29) +Espeon: strong bs
    (15:40:32) Ashton Irwin: gg
    (15:40:32) +Espeon: [Team] LOL
    (15:40:32) Palutena: err
    (15:40:33) Rem: freaking role
    (15:40:38) Ashton Irwin: [Team] Ohhhhhhh shit lol
    (15:40:38) Sarah TWDG: im pit??????
    (15:40:41) ±Game: You have chosen to inspect King.Ashnard!
    (15:40:45) adb1126: omg
    (15:40:50) +Espeon: ????
    (15:40:52) Vietpride left the channel.
    (15:40:52) Sarah TWDG: was i meant to claim
    (15:40:56) Blanc.: oh plz
    (15:40:58) Blanc.: i'm pit
    (15:40:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:40:58) Times Up! :
    (15:40:58) ±Palutena: Rem (Greedy Human) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:40:58) ±Palutena: FhKyle x10 (Pittoo) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:40:59) ±Palutena: Palutena (Phosphora) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:40:59) ±Info: King.Ashnard is the Human!!
    (15:40:59) ±Game: You have 1 days to live.
    (15:40:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:40:59) ±Current Roles: Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Souflee, Viridi.
    (15:40:59) ±Current Players: -Moriarty-, A Random Llama, Ashton Irwin, Blanc., Espeon, King.Ashnard, OTakumi, Sarah TWDG, Wizard, adb1126.
    (15:40:59) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Souflee
    (15:40:59) ±Time: Day 1 (Standby)
    (15:40:59) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (15:40:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:01) +Espeon: [Team] King.Ashnard is human
    (15:41:04) +Espeon: [Team] I am poisoned
    (15:41:07) OTakumi: >_>
    (15:41:08) Ashton Irwin: [Team] Hmm...
    (15:41:12) +Espeon: palutena here, PRs should PM me
    (15:41:13) Sarah TWDG: thank u magnus
    (15:41:14) +Espeon: fuck chaos kin
    (15:41:21) Ashton Irwin: [Team] Yeah, do that, I won't kill
    (15:41:22) adb1126: ugh im so forgetful
    (15:41:23) +Espeon: Pit can kill me if I get converted
    (15:41:25) +Espeon: so please PM me
    (15:41:26) Sarah TWDG: dont worry chaos kin i like u
    (15:41:28) +Espeon: I wil be randing
    (15:41:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:29) ±Current Roles: Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Souflee, Viridi.
    (15:41:29) ±Current Players: -Moriarty-, A Random Llama, Ashton Irwin, Blanc., Espeon, King.Ashnard, OTakumi, Sarah TWDG, Wizard, adb1126.
    (15:41:29) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Souflee
    (15:41:29) ±Time: Day 1 (Voting)
    (15:41:29) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:41:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:33) +Espeon: 5 seconds
    (15:41:37) adb1126: go espe
    (15:41:38) Wizard: sarah
    (15:41:38) +Espeon: ok
    (15:41:41) ±Game: Espeon drew their Silver Bow and aimed at A Random Llama!
    (15:41:44) A Random Llama: that was 6 seconds
    (15:41:46) Sarah TWDG: ya wizard
    (15:41:47) ±Game: OTakumi drew their Silver Bow and aimed at A Random Llama!
    (15:41:48) ±Game: -Moriarty- drew their Silver Bow and aimed at A Random Llama!
    (15:41:49) ±Game: adb1126 drew their Silver Bow and aimed at A Random Llama!
    (15:41:49) ±Game: Ashton Irwin drew their Silver Bow and aimed at A Random Llama!
    (15:41:49) ±Game: A Random Llama drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Wizard!
    (15:41:49) +Espeon: [Team] OTakumi is Magnus
    (15:41:50) ±Game: Sarah TWDG drew their Silver Bow and aimed at A Random Llama!
    (15:41:51) OTakumi: XD
    (15:41:54) Ashton Irwin: *clears his throat*
    (15:41:55) Sarah TWDG: rip A Random Llama
    (15:41:57) Horrible Ivan joined the channel.
    (15:41:57) A Random Llama: Hades has a silver bow?
    (15:41:58) Wizard: Nvm.
    (15:41:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:58) Times Up! :
    (15:41:58) ±Palutena: A Random Llama (Hades) has been removed from the godly war!
    (15:41:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:41:58) ±Current Roles: Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Souflee, Viridi.
    (15:41:58) ±Current Players: -Moriarty-, Ashton Irwin, Blanc., Espeon, King.Ashnard, OTakumi, Sarah TWDG, Wizard, adb1126.
    (15:41:59) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Souflee
    (15:41:59) ±Time: Night 2
    (15:41:59) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:41:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:00) Ashton Irwin: SHOTS FIRED
    (15:42:04) adb1126: dope a'f
    (15:42:06) adb1126: so dope
    (15:42:08) Sarah TWDG: wait
    (15:42:11) Sarah TWDG: i thought i was hades
    (15:42:11) Palutena left the channel.
    (15:42:12) Sarah TWDG: ??
    (15:42:13) ±Game: You have chosen to inspect Sarah TWDG!
    (15:42:21) Kuroha joined the channel.
    (15:42:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:28) Times Up! :
    (15:42:28) ±Palutena: You have been defeated!
    (15:42:28) ±Palutena: Espeon (Palutena) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:42:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:28) ±Current Roles: Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Pit, Souflee, Viridi.
    (15:42:28) ±Current Players: -Moriarty-, Ashton Irwin, Blanc., King.Ashnard, OTakumi, Sarah TWDG, Wizard, adb1126.
    (15:42:28) ±Time: Day 2 (Standby)
    (15:42:28) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (15:42:28) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:32) Sarah TWDG: rip
    (15:42:32) Rem: [Dead] WRONG
    (15:42:34) Rem: [Dead] No
    (15:42:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:36) ±Palutena: Pit jumps from Skyworld and soars into the thick of battle. He draws his Meteor Bow, and fires a shot straight through Wizard's heart, killing them instantly!
    (15:42:36) ±Palutena: Wizard (Chaos Kin) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:42:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:36) Sarah TWDG: i will rmemeber u
    (15:42:37) adb1126: poisoned :((((
    (15:42:42) Sarah TWDG: !!!!!!!!!????
    (15:42:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:42) ±Game: Ashton Irwin descends from Skyworld in all his glory, calling to his allies!
    (15:42:42) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:45) Rem: [Dead] thats not whats supposed to happen
    (15:42:46) OTakumi: pro as hail
    (15:42:48) Blanc.: so only viridi left
    (15:42:52) +Espeon: [Dead] GET FUCKED mafia
    (15:42:52) +Espeon: [Dead] lmao
    (15:42:53) Sarah TWDG: viridi pm
    (15:42:55) Sarah TWDG: i will help u win
    (15:42:55) Rem: [Dead] Viridi and Nutski
    (15:42:58) Ashton Irwin: I already have the PRs and a clean Human
    (15:42:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:42:59) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Pit, Souflee, Viridi.
    (15:42:59) ±Current Players: -Moriarty-, Ashton Irwin, Blanc., King.Ashnard, OTakumi, Sarah TWDG, adb1126.
    (15:42:59) ±Time: Day 2 (Voting)
    (15:42:59) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:42:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:43:01) -Moriarty-: lol thats so much narcissm right therw joey
    (15:43:01) Rem: [Dead] wait
    (15:43:01) Ashton Irwin: We got it
    (15:43:06) Rem: [Dead] just Viridi
    (15:43:12) ±Game: Ashton Irwin drew their Silver Bow and aimed at adb1126!
    (15:43:12) Rem: [Dead] Viridi is screwed
    (15:43:13) adb1126: well i mean
    (15:43:15) Sarah TWDG: rip ab
    (15:43:16) adb1126: yeah im poisoned
    (15:43:17) ±Game: -Moriarty- drew their Silver Bow and aimed at adb1126!
    (15:43:19) ±Game: Sarah TWDG drew their Silver Bow and aimed at adb1126!
    (15:43:21) ±Game: King.Ashnard drew their Silver Bow and aimed at adb1126!
    (15:43:21) ±Game: OTakumi drew their Silver Bow and aimed at adb1126!
    (15:43:26) adb1126: welp
    (15:43:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:43:29) Times Up! :
    (15:43:29) ±Palutena: adb1126 (Viridi) has been removed from the godly war!
    (15:43:29) ±Palutena: The Army of Light fought a worthy battle, and sent all those looking to harm Earth away. OTakumi, -Moriarty-, King.Ashnard, Ashton Irwin, Sarah TWDG and Blanc. will be sung about both in Skyworld and Earth for ages to come!
    (15:43:29) ***************************************************************************************
    Mafia drew the short stick as we were one short of Pandora. I claimed Palutena day 1 since I was poisoned and got mafia to waste their kills on me while connecting PRs, so it was an easy win for village. (Not sure what Phosphora was doing.) Chaos Kin was weak (I don't think there's a role that ignores/evades its convert, so maybe it got PL'd), and Hades can't seem to last (lucky rand I guess) long enough at times. Maybe swapping Pandora with Chaos Kin might patch that up a bit, as it would be 2 mafia teams of 2, rather than 2 v 1 v 1. I also noticed that Hades doesn't have any way of collecting information (Viridi can inspect, Phosphora has electrify for extra kills, Pandora can stalk only when powered up).
     
  32. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    Going to make Chaos Kin undistractable again and, for testing purposes, make Pandora come in at 13 and the Chaos Kin come in at 14.
     
  33. Fuzzysqurl

    Fuzzysqurl baa baa mareep I do what I want Server Owner Developer I do what I want Server Owner Developer

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    Hey look, another thread I've had to delete multiple posts for arguing back and forth. Infractions have been handed out accordingly and I will have Beast double check and adjust them accordingly. If we cannot debate in a civilized manner, then the infractions will just start to accumulate until you are no longer able to access the forums to post. You have 3 options: 1) Grow up and debate like adults (or don't debate and just don't post) or 2) get forumbanned by accumulating infractions or 3) all posts will require moderator approval before being posted. This would affect everyone in all Mafia sections. When someone complains, I can just direct them to the few people that ruined it for everyone. Hint: Choose option 1.

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    One comment I would like to make though:
    Wouldn't that just make the theme more confusing? Not only do you have to learn a normal theme's worth of roles, but you either have to learn even more roles or be really good at learning on the fly. This is why I dropped Sky Sentinel from FE before Solace and I worked on it. Adding roles just to add roles isn't the optimal thing to do. At some point it stops being a mafia theme and starts becoming a mess.

    For example: There are at least 30 more Kirby powers that aren't represented by a role (Wheel, High-Jump, Baton, etc.), there are hundreds of species of fish and sea creatures not represented by a role (Octopus, Crab, Lobster, etc.), there are hundreds of unused Final Fantasy characters (Squall, Snow, Ace, Noctis, etc.), and hopefully you get the point by now. This doesn't mean the Mafia theme should account for all of them; it's not a realistic goal. Some themes can do it, SSBB is one example. You can focus on main fighters and fit them all into a theme without making it overly complex. One you start adding assist trophies and pokemon to it, then you've crossed the line. Once you start getting more than 25-30 unique "roles", it starts to get excessive (DKC + Paladin Cecil would be considered 1 role for this purpose) and people are less likely to 1) learn your theme and 2) remember everything.
     
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  34. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    I already cleared up the rotating characters confusion, so w/e. It's gonna be randomized.

    Anyway, I'm going with my plan, regardless of how much you ill-advise against it at this point. The theme is ignored, Thanatos has been requested for ages. It's not like I'm saying I'm adding each and every single character, I'm adding the most major characters that I haven't yet in a balanced way. Why does everyone think this is an issue, because it's not.

    EDIT: Just saying, if you're still having to learn roles for a theme that has been on the server for almost a year, that's an issue.
     
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  35. Micaiah

    Micaiah Bop it

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    Hi posting a log for joey

    (15:02:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:02:19) Times Up! :
    (15:02:19) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (15:02:19) ±Game: You are a Human!
    (15:02:19) ±Game: You are a normal Human! You have no real say in the war going on, but you can vote the bad guys off during the day!
    (15:02:19) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pandora, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee, Viridi.
    (15:02:19) ±Current Players: Alyways, Ashton Irwin, Blanc., Horrible Ivan, Kuroha, Latimaster, Leonez, OTakumi, Phosphora, Pikachu Master, Princess Zelda, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:02:19) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee
    (15:02:19) ±Time: Night 1
    (15:02:19) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (15:02:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:02:22) Pikachu Master: "Oh youth, show the two whirling sails the way to the Light Tower, and before you a path shall be opened, and a heavenly song you shall hear."

    Theme
    Who started
    When
    Players
    Zelda
    Mega-Azumarill
    1 hour, 19 minutes ago
    22
    MP
    Pikachu Master
    1 hour, 10 minutes ago
    15
    Naruto
    voted
    1 hour, 16 seconds ago
    21
    EV
    voted
    52 minutes, 15 seconds ago
    17
    RO
    voted
    42 minutes, 44 seconds ago
    17
    SSBB
    voted
    34 minutes, 16 seconds ago
    20
    Outbreak
    Karp Karpity
    24 minutes, 53 seconds ago
    19
    Body
    voted
    16 minutes, 3 seconds ago
    19
    FE
    Idoun
    8 minutes, 31 seconds ago
    16
    KI
    voted
    45 seconds ago
    12

    (15:02:32) OTakumi: smack him joey, i give uou permission
    (15:02:38) +Princess Zelda: o.o
    (15:02:40) Kuroha: err
    (15:02:45) +Princess Zelda: i blame
    (15:02:46) +Princess Zelda: Diamondslight
    (15:02:48) +Espeon: you said you needed 12
    (15:02:49) +Princess Zelda: like always
    (15:02:52) +Espeon: there are 12 ._.
    (15:02:57) Alyways: hmm, ki= not so popilar?
    (15:02:57) Tony Rodriguez: lol
    (15:02:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:02:59) Times Up! :
    (15:02:59) ±Palutena: Ashton Irwin (Viridi) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:02:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:02:59) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pandora, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee.
    (15:02:59) ±Current Players: Alyways, Blanc., Horrible Ivan, Kuroha, Latimaster, Leonez, OTakumi, Phosphora, Pikachu Master, Princess Zelda, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:02:59) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee
    (15:02:59) ±Time: Day 1 (Standby)
    (15:02:59) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (15:02:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:03:04) Alyways: well, okay
    (15:03:07) Kuroha: poor him
    (15:03:12) Kuroha: he want to test
    (15:03:15) Horrible Ivan: rip
    (15:03:19) Kuroha: and then died
    (15:03:25) Tony Rodriguez: let's give him a nice funeral
    (15:03:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:03:29) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pandora, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee.
    (15:03:29) ±Current Players: Alyways, Blanc., Horrible Ivan, Kuroha, Latimaster, Leonez, OTakumi, Phosphora, Pikachu Master, Princess Zelda, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:03:29) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee
    (15:03:29) ±Time: Day 1 (Voting)
    (15:03:29) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:03:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:03:32) Kuroha: we will miss you
    (15:03:38) OTakumi: *burries the body in the desertG
    (15:03:43) ±Game: Latimaster drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Leonez!
    (15:03:44) Horrible Ivan: You will be remembered
    (15:03:45) Latimaster: e-e
    (15:03:48) ±Game: Leonez drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Latimaster!
    (15:03:51) Leonez: counter <3
    (15:03:53) Alyways: hmm?
    (15:03:59) Latimaster: wha
    (15:03:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:03:59) Times Up! :
    (15:03:59) No one was voted off!:
    (15:03:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:03:59) ±Current Roles: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pandora, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee.
    (15:03:59) ±Current Players: Alyways, Blanc., Horrible Ivan, Kuroha, Latimaster, Leonez, OTakumi, Phosphora, Pikachu Master, Princess Zelda, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:03:59) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee
    (15:03:59) ±Time: Night 2
    (15:03:59) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:03:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:04:00) Horrible Ivan: May he read in peace
    (15:04:06) Latimaster: >nobody voted
    (15:04:08) BebbZ changed names and is now known as Manfred von Karma.
    (15:04:08) Latimaster: wow ok
    (15:04:12) ±CommandBot: The command chanelog doesn't exist
    (15:04:13) Tony Rodriguez: I tried

    (15:04:16) KI's changelog:
    (15:04:16) 10/9/13: All changes that I (Joeypals) have seen as needed have now been made. The theme is now in testing capability.
    (15:04:16) 10/17/13: /tt has been activated, all fixes concerning the Forgetful Humans, Greedy Humans, and roles1 have been rectified.
    (15:04:16) 10/25/13: Chaos Kin can no longer be distracted, Phoenix can no longer be converted and the priority list has been cleaned up.
    (15:04:16) 11/4/13: Phoenix2 is now able to avoid 75% of daykills.
    (15:04:16) 11/5/13: Chaos Kin can now be distracted again, buffing both roles of the side ended up being OP.
    (15:04:16) 11/13/13: Bots have now been enabled for all sides and messages, stylized for each side.
    (15:04:16) 11/15/13: Chaos Kin moved 1 spot back in the spawn list for roles2, bot issues now fixed.
    (15:04:16) 11/20/13: After the biggest game ever (36 players), I have decided to make Eggplant Wizard's convert every 3rd night. Also fixed the bigger Phoenix so now the commands are restrictive of one another.
    (15:04:16) 11/29/13: Edited roles2's spawnlist.
    (15:04:16) 1/27/14: Small games slightly edited. roles1 was broken up into roles1-3, making the previous change for roles4. Games of 9 now have a Greedy Human instead of a Forgetful one, who inspects as Nutski.
    (15:04:16) 2/1/14: Lowered the minplayers down to 5, let's see how this goes.
    (15:04:16) 2/3/14: Made a non-peak version for 3-4 player games, currently in testing.
    (15:04:16) 2/26/14: Non-peak removed but not without purpose.
    (15:04:16) 3/2/14: Stolen Soul's /meet now fixed, Skuttler actually part of the spawn now.
    (15:04:16) 3/7/14: In order to aid the Underworld Army, Pandora will now convert when Pittoo is converted.
    (15:04:16) 6/10/14: Added broadcast for Palutena's inspect to Pit.
    (15:04:16) 6/14/14: Shuffled the spawn for roles1-3 to create more balance. Cragalanche now replaces Nutski (didn't code out protect to help Amazon if he goofs) and a Centurion Knight replaces a human. The Greedy Human in roles2 inspects as Cragalanche now. Everything else is the same.
    (15:04:16) 7/2/14: Added tips. updateTeam is next on the agenda, not going to be adding preventTeamvote. Period. If you join, you should be paying attention anyway and it screws with bussing.
    (15:04:16) 7/5/14: Redistributed roles1-3. Nutski is back and instead of a Centurion Knight, there is now a Centurion Strongarm that bombs both night and daykillers. Sees itself as a Human.
    (15:04:16) 7/5/14 (2): Not sure why I still had the Greedies appearing on the list as what they inspected as, but they're now on the list as Greedy Human.
    (15:04:16) 7/16/14: Added a custom votemsg.
    (15:04:16) 7/23/14: Eggplants and Stolen Souls now dies when the Eggplant Wizard and Chaos Kin die, respectively. Eggplants now have a +999 voteshield.
    (15:04:17) 7/26/14: The Forgetful Humans and Greedy Humans no longer have their votes randomized. The one for the 10- games is simply a miller now. The Pandora Greedy has -1.1 votes whilst the Phosphora one has 1.1 votes.
    (15:04:17) 7/26/14 (2): Spawn for the Chaos Kin and Pandora has been swapped, possibly temporary. In addition, once again, Chaos Kin cannot be distracted.

    (15:04:17) Alyways: why you voted him?
    (15:04:23) Leonez: i voted :l
    (15:04:27) Latimaster: leonez is baddie, im probably dying tonight
    (15:04:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:04:30) Times Up! :
    (15:04:30) ±Palutena: Blanc. (Magnus) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:04:30) ±Palutena: Phosphora (Pit) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:04:30) ±Palutena: Latimaster (Pittoo) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:04:30) ±Game: As Pittoo falls, a flash of light slowly emerges from his chest. It flies far away to Pandora, who is converted into Amazon Pandora! Beware her power!
    (15:04:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:04:30) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Palutena, Phosphora, Souflee.
    (15:04:30) ±Current Players: Alyways, Horrible Ivan, Kuroha, Leonez, OTakumi, Pikachu Master, Princess Zelda, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:04:30) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Palutena, Souflee
    (15:04:30) ±Time: Day 2 (Standby)
    (15:04:30) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (15:04:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:04:33) Leonez: lol
    (15:04:35) OTakumi: fuuuck
    (15:04:37) +Princess Zelda: hi amazon pandora
    (15:04:38) +Princess Zelda: u suck
    (15:04:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:04:39) ±Amazon: A heart-shaped arrow flies from the distance and hits Pikachu Master, piercing their heart. Before anyone can catch her, Amazon Pandora warps away. Her seductive laugh echoes through everyone's ears.
    (15:04:39) ±Palutena: Pikachu Master (Palutena) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:04:39) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:04:41) Kuroha: err
    (15:04:44) Alyways: wow
    (15:04:46) Tony Rodriguez: but I typed enter as soon as it said, no one was voted off
    (15:04:47) Kuroha: rip
    (15:04:51) +Princess Zelda: Ok im going to rand because
    (15:04:51) +Princess Zelda: im village leader
    (15:04:57) Leonez: actually
    (15:04:57) Tony Rodriguez: Since when?
    (15:04:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:04:59) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Phosphora, Souflee.
    (15:04:59) ±Current Players: Alyways, Horrible Ivan, Kuroha, Leonez, OTakumi, Princess Zelda, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:04:59) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Human, Souflee
    (15:04:59) ±Time: Day 2 (Voting)
    (15:04:59) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:04:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:05:02) Leonez: we are all villae
    (15:05:10) ±Game: Princess Zelda drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Horrible Ivan!
    (15:05:11) +Princess Zelda: Since now
    (15:05:16) OTakumi: dont claim it exposes prs
    (15:05:17) Kuroha: hmm
    (15:05:21) ±Game: Horrible Ivan drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Leonez!
    (15:05:23) ±Game: Alyways drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Horrible Ivan!
    (15:05:25) ±Game: Leonez drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Horrible Ivan!
    (15:05:25) Horrible Ivan: i am human
    (15:05:26) Alyways: well k
    (15:05:30) Horrible Ivan: follow pitto
    (15:05:31) Leonez: then dont vote me
    (15:05:31) Alyways: if zelda wants to
    (15:05:31) ±Game: Tony Rodriguez drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Horrible Ivan!
    (15:05:32) ±Game: Kuroha drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Horrible Ivan!
    (15:05:34) ±Game: OTakumi drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Horrible Ivan!
    (15:05:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:05:34) Times Up! :
    (15:05:34) ±Palutena: Horrible Ivan (Forgetful Human) has been removed from the godly war!
    (15:05:34) ±Palutena: Before dying, Horrible Ivan snapped their fingers and remembered that Tony Rodriguez was a Forgetful Human too!
    (15:05:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:05:34) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Phosphora, Souflee.
    (15:05:34) ±Current Players: Alyways, Kuroha, Leonez, OTakumi, Princess Zelda, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:05:34) ±Current Team: Forgetful Human, Human, Souflee
    (15:05:34) ±Time: Night 3
    (15:05:34) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:05:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:05:46) +Princess Zelda: oh
    (15:05:47) +Princess Zelda: i didnt see
    (15:05:49) +Princess Zelda: Latimaster say
    (15:05:50) Alyways: well, nope
    (15:05:50) +Princess Zelda: rip
    (15:05:53) Tony Rodriguez: I have a feeling me or Zelda will die
    (15:06:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:06:04) Times Up! :
    (15:06:04) ±Palutena: You have been defeated!
    (15:06:04) ±Palutena: Princess Zelda (Human) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:06:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:06:04) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Forgetful Human, Hades, Phosphora, Souflee.
    (15:06:04) ±Current Players: Alyways, Kuroha, Leonez, OTakumi, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:06:04) ±Time: Day 3 (Standby)
    (15:06:04) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (15:06:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:06:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:06:06) ±Amazon: A heart-shaped arrow flies from the distance and hits OTakumi, piercing their heart. Before anyone can catch her, Amazon Pandora warps away. Her seductive laugh echoes through everyone's ears.
    (15:06:06) ±Palutena: OTakumi (Souflee) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:06:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:06:06) Horrible Ivan: [Dead] zelda is scum
    (15:06:08) Alyways: rip in pieces and such.
    (15:06:09) Tony Rodriguez: well
    (15:06:09) +Princess Zelda: [Dead] i am scum
    (15:06:10) Horrible Ivan: [Dead] or not
    (15:06:11) Horrible Ivan: [Dead] lol
    (15:06:13) Tony Rodriguez: I give up
    (15:06:15) Horrible Ivan: [Dead] sorry
    (15:06:16) Leonez: thing is
    (15:06:17) Latimaster: [Dead] he might be a PR simply, coincidentially, visiting a killed virdi
    (15:06:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:06:34) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Forgetful Human, Hades, Phosphora.
    (15:06:35) ±Current Players: Alyways, Kuroha, Leonez, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:06:35) ±Time: Day 3 (Voting)
    (15:06:35) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:06:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:06:38) Leonez: anyways
    (15:06:40) Tony Rodriguez: I shall give u all candy if u let me win!
    (15:06:46) Leonez: ok
    (15:06:47) Kuroha: thing is
    (15:06:48) Alyways: lol, k
    (15:06:52) Kuroha: 2v1v1
    (15:06:56) Manfred von Karma changed names and is now known as BebbZ.
    (15:07:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:07:04) Times Up! :
    (15:07:04) No one was voted off!:
    (15:07:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:07:04) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Forgetful Human, Hades, Phosphora.
    (15:07:04) ±Current Players: Alyways, Kuroha, Leonez, Tony Rodriguez.
    (15:07:04) ±Time: Night 4
    (15:07:04) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (15:07:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:07:05) Alyways: i want candy
    (15:07:08) Ashton Irwin: [Dead] Someone can post this log on the forums, right?
    (15:07:21) Alyways: no candy, no win
    (15:07:24) Latimaster: [Dead] i could but i am lazy c:
    (15:07:25) Tony Rodriguez: lol
    (15:07:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (15:07:34) Times Up! :
    (15:07:34) ±Palutena: Leonez (Amazon Pandora) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:07:34) ±Palutena: Kuroha (Phosphora) has been defeated in battle!
    (15:07:34) ±Palutena: The portal to the Underworld was opened! Alyways were let loose on the human race, killing all those in their path to be ruled mercilessly in the darkest depths of the Underworld.
    (15:07:34) ±Game: The Palutena's Army (Tony Rodriguez) lose!
    (15:07:34) ***************************************************************************************
     
  36. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    The logs I need specifically are for 14-20 games or 12-13. 12-13 is before Kin comes in and 14-20 will allow me to see if the inability to be distracted is OP or not. If a game is played in these sizes, please post the log the of the game here. It's the best way to get the testing I need done and who knows, if it's not just me and a few other people starting it, the theme may look more attractive.
     
  37. Fate Testarossa

    Fate Testarossa Unbreakable Bond

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    (13:07:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:07:27) Times Up! :
    (13:07:27) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (13:07:27) ±Game: You are a Human!
    (13:07:27) ±Game: You are a normal Human! You have no real say in the war going on, but you can vote the bad guys off during the day!
    (13:07:27) ±Current Roles: Centurion Knight, Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Hades, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pandora, Phoenix, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee, Viridi.
    (13:07:27) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, CryBlood, Espeon, Joeypals, Kuroha, Leonez, Midna, Mikee22, Moriarty, Nero The Banette, Nynaeve, Psylocke, Scythorus, SlowToke, Wizard.
    (13:07:27) ±Current Team: Centurion Knight, Forgetful Human, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Human, Magnus, Palutena, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee
    (13:07:27) ±Time: Night 1
    (13:07:27) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (13:07:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:07:28) Moriarty: Stocke cuz I am random
    (13:07:28) Wizard: I hate it
    (13:07:28) Nynaeve: b/c me
    (13:07:29) CryBlood: Crobat seems cool :p
    (13:07:31) Moriarty: as fk
    (13:07:32) +Espeon: GO PANDORA
    (13:07:32) Kuroha: >.>
    (13:07:35) Nynaeve: Crobat sucks
    (13:07:40) +Espeon: seductive laughs for everyone
    (13:07:53) ±Dratini: No such user
    (13:07:59) CryBlood: ;^;
    (13:08:00) Joeypals: Someone post the log after this for testing purposes ^?^
    (13:08:02) Joeypals: *^.^
    (13:08:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:08:06) Times Up! :
    (13:08:06) ±Palutena: Kuroha (Forgetful Human) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:08:06) ±Palutena: Before dying, Kuroha snapped their fingers and remembered that Midna was a Forgetful Human too!
    (13:08:06) ±Palutena: SlowToke (Viridi) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:08:06) ±Game: The Chaos Kin has taken another soul as its own! Poor Magnus...
    (13:08:06) ±Palutena: CryBlood (Stolen Soul) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:08:06) ±Game: You have 1 days to live.
    (13:08:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:08:06) ±Current Roles: Centurion Knight, Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Hades, Human, Palutena, Pandora, Phoenix, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee.
    (13:08:06) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, Espeon, Joeypals, Leonez, Midna, Mikee22, Moriarty, Nero The Banette, Nynaeve, Psylocke, Scythorus, Wizard.
    (13:08:06) ±Current Team: Centurion Knight, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Human, Palutena, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee
    (13:08:06) ±Time: Day 1 (Standby)
    (13:08:06) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (13:08:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:08:09) Joeypals: I have a big nose now
    (13:08:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:08:12) ±Game: Moriarty descends from Skyworld in all his glory, calling to his allies!
    (13:08:12) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:08:16) +Espeon: ?_?_?_?_?
    (13:08:21) Wizard: lol
    (13:08:25) Nynaeve: LOL
    (13:08:27) Joeypals: ...you /do/ realize there's a Phoenix, right?
    (13:08:31) +Espeon: no fucks
    (13:08:32) Joeypals: And the Chaos Kin?
    (13:08:35) Moriarty: given
    (13:08:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:08:36) ±Current Roles: Centurion Knight, Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Hades, Human, Palutena, Pandora, Phoenix, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee.
    (13:08:36) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, Espeon, Joeypals, Leonez, Midna, Mikee22, Moriarty, Nero The Banette, Nynaeve, Psylocke, Scythorus, Wizard.
    (13:08:36) ±Current Team: Centurion Knight, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Human, Palutena, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee
    (13:08:36) ±Time: Day 1 (Voting)
    (13:08:36) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (13:08:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:08:37) +Espeon: this is how real champions play mafia
    (13:08:42) Moriarty: xD
    (13:08:43) Nero The Banette: What were doing KI
    (13:08:46) Nynaeve: real failures you mean
    (13:08:48) Mikee22: No fucks?
    (13:08:53) Wizard: ..
    (13:08:53) Joeypals: Yes Nero
    (13:08:53) Nynaeve: zzz
    (13:08:55) +Espeon: ps Moriarty vote if you have PRs
    (13:08:57) Mikee22: I say 50/50
    (13:09:04) ±Dratini: No such user
    (13:09:06) Nero The Banette: i barley realize this now (_ _|||)
    (13:09:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:09:06) Times Up! :
    (13:09:06) No one was voted off!:
    (13:09:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:09:06) ±Current Roles: Centurion Knight, Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Hades, Human, Palutena, Pandora, Phoenix, Phosphora, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee.
    (13:09:06) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, Espeon, Joeypals, Leonez, Midna, Mikee22, Moriarty, Nero The Banette, Nynaeve, Psylocke, Scythorus, Wizard.
    (13:09:06) ±Current Team: Centurion Knight, Forgetful Human, Greedy Human, Human, Palutena, Pit, Pittoo, Souflee
    (13:09:06) ±Time: Night 2
    (13:09:06) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (13:09:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:09:07) Nynaeve: Pit Rand out the Auth first
    (13:09:08) +Espeon: ,
    (13:09:12) Nynaeve: then the mas
    (13:09:13) ±Game: You are a Human!
    (13:09:13) ±Game: You are a normal Human! You have no real say in the war going on, but you can vote the bad guys off during the day!
    (13:09:16) Nynaeve: then Joey
    (13:09:18) Joeypals: We should burn this guy
    (13:09:21) Joeypals: y/y
    (13:09:23) Wizard: who
    (13:09:25) [BT]sami left the channel.
    (13:09:25) CoolhotisItachi: y
    (13:09:27) Nynaeve: n
    (13:09:29) Wizard: hmm
    (13:09:34) +Espeon: oh yeah, I forgot to tell you that I got poisoned n1 (screw chaos kin) so I am dead to poison now byeeeee
    (13:09:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:09:36) Times Up! :
    (13:09:36) ±Palutena: Moriarty (Pit) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:09:36) ±Palutena: You have been defeated!
    (13:09:36) ±Palutena: Espeon (Greedy Human) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:09:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:09:36) ±Current Roles: Centurion Knight, Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Palutena, Pandora, Phoenix, Phosphora, Pittoo, Souflee.
    (13:09:36) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, Joeypals, Leonez, Midna, Mikee22, Nero The Banette, Nynaeve, Psylocke, Scythorus, Wizard.
    (13:09:36) ±Time: Day 2 (Standby)
    (13:09:36) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (13:09:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:09:43) Nynaeve: poisoned ok
    (13:09:46) Leonez: oh my
    (13:09:47) Wizard: omg
    (13:09:47) CryBlood: [Dead] rip espi
    (13:09:47) Scythorus: randing
    (13:09:51) Leonez: Guys
    (13:09:51) Nero The Banette: Pit D=
    (13:09:52) Joeypals: Hey, wasn't me lol
    (13:09:57) Leonez: pitto said im clean
    (13:09:57) Moriarty: [Dead] gee
    (13:09:58) Nynaeve: I will Rand
    (13:09:58) Leonez: so
    (13:10:00) Leonez: voicing
    (13:10:01) Leonez: for pitto
    (13:10:02) Psylocke: MINDA needs to connect
    (13:10:02) Moriarty: [Dead] nice team work guys
    (13:10:03) Nynaeve: I'm poisoned
    (13:10:03) Mikee22: Espeon gone ;-;
    (13:10:03) Leonez: they said
    (13:10:03) Moriarty: [Dead] !
    (13:10:05) Leonez: get Psylocke
    (13:10:06) Scythorus: no I'm randomized
    (13:10:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:10:06) ±Current Roles: Centurion Knight, Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Palutena, Pandora, Phoenix, Phosphora, Pittoo, Souflee.
    (13:10:06) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, Joeypals, Leonez, Midna, Mikee22, Nero The Banette, Nynaeve, Psylocke, Scythorus, Wizard.
    (13:10:06) ±Time: Day 2 (Voting)
    (13:10:06) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (13:10:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:10:07) Wizard: I will also rand
    (13:10:08) +Espeon: [Dead] Moriarty BG died n1
    (13:10:08) Psylocke: NOo
    (13:10:08) +Espeon: [Dead] lol
    (13:10:09) ±Game: Nynaeve drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Psylocke!
    (13:10:10) Leonez: they visited
    (13:10:11) Scythorus: randing*
    (13:10:11) ±Game: Psylocke drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Leonez!
    (13:10:13) Psylocke: nooo
    (13:10:13) Moriarty: [Dead] Lol
    (13:10:14) Psylocke: NOOO
    (13:10:14) Moriarty: [Dead] xD
    (13:10:14) ±Game: Leonez drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Psylocke!
    (13:10:14) ±Game: Cheezeburgar drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Leonez!
    (13:10:15) CryBlood: [Dead] Who stole my soul and killed me l
    (13:10:16) ±Game: Midna drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Leonez!
    (13:10:17) CryBlood: [Dead] lol
    (13:10:17) Joeypals: *clears his throat*
    (13:10:19) Moriarty: [Dead] THIS IS BS
    (13:10:20) ±Game: Wizard drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Leonez!
    (13:10:20) ±Game: Scythorus drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Psylocke!
    (13:10:20) ±Game: Mikee22 drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Leonez!
    (13:10:20) Joeypals: SHOTS FIRED
    (13:10:22) ±Game: Nero The Banette drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Leonez!
    (13:10:23) Psylocke: get Leonez
    (13:10:24) SlowToke changed names and is now known as [Bagel] SlowToke.
    (13:10:25) Moriarty: [Dead] I was the chosen ONE
    (13:10:25) Leonez: ._.
    (13:10:25) ±Game: CoolhotisItachi drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Psylocke!
    (13:10:27) ±Game: Joeypals drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Leonez!
    (13:10:27) Nynaeve: follow my Rand
    (13:10:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:10:27) Times Up! :
    (13:10:27) ±Palutena: Leonez (Pittoo) has been removed from the godly war!
    (13:10:27) ±Game: As Pittoo falls, a flash of light slowly emerges from his chest. It flies far away to Pandora, who is converted into Amazon Pandora! Beware her power!
    (13:10:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:10:27) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Centurion Knight, Chaos Kin, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Palutena, Phoenix, Phosphora, Souflee.
    (13:10:27) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, Joeypals, Midna, Mikee22, Nero The Banette, Nynaeve, Psylocke, Scythorus, Wizard.
    (13:10:27) ±Time: Night 3
    (13:10:27) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (13:10:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:10:30) Leonez: [Dead] okay
    (13:10:32) +Espeon: [Dead] LOL
    (13:10:32) Psylocke: ._>
    (13:10:34) CryBlood: [Dead] btw
    (13:10:34) Kuroha: [Dead] rip
    (13:10:36) Scythorus: omg
    (13:10:37) Cheezeburgar: :x
    (13:10:37) CryBlood: [Dead] Nero!
    (13:10:38) Nynaeve: you people are garbage at this
    (13:10:38) +Espeon: SEDUCTIVE LAUGHS
    (13:10:39) Moriarty: [Dead] I play Mafia like champs thats why I win
    (13:10:41) Kuroha: [Dead] >voicing pitto
    (13:10:42) Psylocke: wow
    (13:10:43) Moriarty: [Dead] I play to win
    (13:10:44) CoolhotisItachi: get psylocke then
    (13:10:45) Nynaeve: Espy sjh
    (13:10:47) Psylocke: nooo
    (13:10:48) Nynaeve: shh*
    (13:10:55) Scythorus: before i die Espeon is phos, Joey is phoniex
    (13:10:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:10:57) Times Up! :
    (13:10:57) ±Palutena: Nero The Banette (Chaos Kin) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:10:57) ±Palutena: Psylocke (Souflee) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:10:57) ±Palutena: Nynaeve (Phosphora) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:10:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:10:58) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Centurion Knight, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Palutena, Phoenix.
    (13:10:58) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, Joeypals, Midna, Mikee22, Scythorus, Wizard.
    (13:10:58) ±Time: Day 3 (Standby)
    (13:10:58) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (13:10:58) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:10:58) CoolhotisItachi: yes get psylocke
    (13:11:01) Joeypals: Boo
    (13:11:02) Leonez: [Dead] o
    (13:11:04) CoolhotisItachi: omg
    (13:11:04) +Espeon: [Dead] is Scythorus dumb
    (13:11:05) Wizard: lol
    (13:11:05) +Espeon: [Dead] or what
    (13:11:06) +Espeon: [Dead] I died n2
    (13:11:07) Moriarty: [Dead] rip shattered dreams
    (13:11:07) Leonez: [Dead] :D
    (13:11:12) CryBlood: [Dead] NERO!!
    (13:11:14) Leonez: [Dead] souflee
    (13:11:14) Wizard: wtf
    (13:11:15) Kuroha: [Dead] err
    (13:11:16) Leonez: [Dead] welp
    (13:11:16) Nynaeve: [Dead] wat
    (13:11:18) +Espeon: [Dead] also no one saw Midna's reveal
    (13:11:22) Nero The Banette: [Dead] What eevee?
    (13:11:26) Nynaeve: [Dead] Moriarty who are you
    (13:11:26) Joeypals: Don't get me or Underworld wins
    (13:11:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:11:27) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Centurion Knight, Forgetful Human, Hades, Human, Palutena, Phoenix.
    (13:11:27) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, Joeypals, Midna, Mikee22, Scythorus, Wizard.
    (13:11:27) ±Time: Day 3 (Voting)
    (13:11:27) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (13:11:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:11:28) CryBlood: [Dead] >:O
    (13:11:29) Wizard: get Joey
    (13:11:31) Kuroha: [Dead] burn the reveal
    (13:11:31) Joeypals: ...
    (13:11:31) CryBlood: [Dead] xP
    (13:11:32) Scythorus: nope
    (13:11:35) Nero The Banette: [Dead] Ima leave
    (13:11:35) Nynaeve: [Dead] do I know you?
    (13:11:37) Joeypals: Let Underworld win then
    (13:11:37) Nero The Banette: [Dead] ;-;
    (13:11:42) CryBlood: [Dead] Nuu dont ;-;
    (13:11:45) ±Game: Joeypals drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Midna!
    (13:11:46) Nynaeve: [Dead] MORIARTY WHO ARE YOU
    (13:11:48) +Espeon: [Dead] LOL
    (13:11:49) ±Game: Scythorus drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Midna!
    (13:11:50) Wizard: hmm.. No underworld will not win
    (13:11:52) ±Game: Cheezeburgar drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Midna!
    (13:11:53) Midna: i was revealed human <_<
    (13:11:55) Nynaeve: [Dead] LOL
    (13:11:57) ±Game: Mikee22 drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Midna!
    (13:11:57) Nero The Banette: [Dead] Bye *goes to a different channel*
    (13:11:58) Email left the channel.
    (13:11:59) Kuroha: [Dead] rip forgetful
    (13:12:00) Mikee22: fack
    (13:12:01) ±Game: Wizard drew their Silver Bow and aimed at Midna!
    (13:12:02) Joeypals: Phoenixes have Silver Bows now ^.^
    (13:12:07) ±Dratini: Sethsteva was mysteriously kicked by Espeon! [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (13:12:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:12:08) Times Up! :
    (13:12:08) ±Palutena: Midna (Forgetful Human) has been removed from the godly war!
    (13:12:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:12:08) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Centurion Knight, Hades, Human, Palutena, Phoenix.
    (13:12:08) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, CoolhotisItachi, Joeypals, Mikee22, Scythorus, Wizard.
    (13:12:08) ±Time: Night 4
    (13:12:08) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (13:12:08) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:12:10) Nynaeve: [Dead] good job getting revealed village
    (13:12:15) Wizard: Wth
    (13:12:18) Psylocke: [Dead] wow village
    (13:12:19) Psylocke: [Dead] is dumb
    (13:12:20) Psylocke: [Dead] like really
    (13:12:21) Nynaeve: [Dead] >wth
    (13:12:21) Scythorus: gg
    (13:12:24) Kuroha: [Dead] this is how
    (13:12:27) Joeypals: gg
    (13:12:28) Kuroha: [Dead] villy plas
    (13:12:28) Psylocke: [Dead] voting a revealed teammate
    (13:12:32) Kuroha: [Dead] plays*
    (13:12:32) Psylocke: [Dead] ;-;
    (13:12:34) Wizard: gg
    (13:12:35) Psylocke: [Dead] but then again
    (13:12:37) Leonez: [Dead] Psylocke :(
    (13:12:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:12:38) Times Up! :
    (13:12:38) ±Palutena: CoolhotisItachi (Human) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:12:38) ±Palutena: Scythorus (Palutena) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:12:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:12:38) ±Current Roles: Amazon Pandora, Centurion Knight, Hades, Phoenix.
    (13:12:38) ±Current Players: Cheezeburgar, Joeypals, Mikee22, Wizard.
    (13:12:38) ±Time: Day 4 (Standby)
    (13:12:38) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (13:12:38) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:12:44) Kuroha: [Dead] rip
    (13:12:45) ***************************************************************************************
    (13:12:45) ±Amazon: A heart-shaped arrow flies from the distance and hits Joeypals, piercing their heart. Before anyone can catch her, Amazon Pandora warps away. Her seductive laugh echoes through everyone's ears.
    (13:12:45) ±Palutena: Joeypals (Phoenix) has been defeated in battle!
    (13:12:45) ±Palutena: The portal to the Underworld was opened! Mikee22 and Wizard were let loose on the human race, killing all those in their path to be ruled mercilessly in the darkest depths of the Underworld.
    (13:12:45) ±Game: The Palutena's Army (Cheezeburgar) lose!
    (13:12:45) ***************************************************************************************
    Pandora did work, which is nice to see. I find it a bit disappointing that Chaos Kin didn't seem to have much of an impact on the game despite being unable to be distracted. Maybe allow it to convert every night? If that seems too strong (to me it doesn't, but who knows), then maybe limit it to a certain number of times per game. Again, as a solo role, it should be worth watching and seen as a threat. Don't get me wrong, the convert is useful, but I just look at games like this and see how inspector Viridi and Phosphora with the extra kefka-like kill every other night are a good pair while you have Hades who can't be killed at night paired with Pandora who gains a daykill if powered up. Phoenix as a solo role is strong enough to win because of it's high priority kill and its chance of evasion on nightkills and daykills. I know I'm repeating myself quite a lot, and maybe we just need more logs, but Chaos Kin still seems too weak to be a lasting force in the game.
     
  38. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    You're fine, shows how much you believe your statement lol. My plan is to have at least 5 12-13 player games logged and 5 14-20 player games logged, this way I can test as needed and balance accordingly.
     
  39. Fuzzysqurl

    Fuzzysqurl baa baa mareep I do what I want Server Owner Developer I do what I want Server Owner Developer

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    This thread isn't about the semantics over rotation and random, it really doesn't matter which word you use, the effect on the theme is the same.
    I love when I join the Mafia Channel for the first time and immediately know everything about everything. There is no reason for me not to know 60 different roles for a theme that I've never played before. [/sarcasm]

    I get it, you don't like changing your mind once you've made a plan, but you're just going to set yourself up for failure down the road. You're so visibly concerned every time the player count drops when the theme starts, but you're not listening to suggestions from people who aren't joining anymore.

    I would rather start another theme over KI if there's another half a theme's worth of roles added into a "rotation" or "randomization" for no discernible purpose other than to try to fish for players. You don't need extravagant plans to make your theme more attractive, you need to listen to your audience at some point to find the balance between fun and flavor. It really doesn't matter how many roles you add if you never get to see them due to consistent low player count.

    This is going to be the last post I make in this thread, bar any authoritative/directive ones, there's no sense in beating dead horses. I'll just simply opt not to join when the theme is started if I don't wish to play.


    PS: How's that preventTeamvote coming along by the way? Remember, the goal is to make Mafia accessible for everyone, not just people who have been playing for years. This is one of my reasons for skipping a few themes recently, though I doubt anyone else is on the same boat with me on that.
     
  40. Joeypals!!

    Joeypals!! Don't you worry 'bout a thing~

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    Note to self, 6 roles creates half a full theme now.

    And no, I don't know what the issue is. Why? No one will tell me. It's not like I haven't asked for help, I've tried asking in the server over and over again (no concise response), a few QC on the server (no response), and trying to have @Roild send a few QC to check the theme to see what made it boring or whatever the issue is (albiet I didn't know he was gone when I sent the PM). The roles are relatively simple so I disagree with the complex statement and as for bland, we're not talking SI or Vanilla or something like that, something is ALWAYS going on.

    And for preventTeamvote, idk why you're posting posting about it when I told you, up front, that I didn't like it and I won't be using it for DN or KI. This is because updateTeam exists now (solves all problems I had with Trainers before someone goes "But you had this issue so you should be sympathetic") and, simply put, if you join, you should pay attention to your team.

    Now, if you excuse me, I have 8 (maybe 9 if I decide to use Shadow Pit as a huge tool for the Chaos Kin) roles to get 100% ready since I'm finally going to have a laptop tomorrow.

    What I will say, in closing my post, is this. Your statement of "what's the point of adding new roles if no one is going to see them" is 100% ironic. If they're new, people will want to see them and thus more will join. It's called hype. And secondly, these roles would randomly spawn instead of Amazon Pandora for games of 9 or 10, meaning people will see them . You wanna talk about beating dead horses? I'm continuing to say my plans over and over again as people continue to try to point out the same issues when your issue isn't one..

    Now, if you excuse me, I have an 16 man theme to make with the 8 roles I'm making plus 8 others. [/sarcasm]

    EDIT: I'm going to say this once, and only once. I'm going to layout my plans as they are to happen, and that's that. This agenda will also include DN because yeah, I manage that too.

    -Add updateTeam to DN and KI. Leaving preventTeamvote off for my personal perspective on the matter.
    -Adding in Aiber and Wedy for DN, their abilities finalized.
    -Work on making a nonpeak variant of DN which occurs between 3-5 players.
    -Hewdraw, Thanatos, Twinbellows, Dark Lord Gaol, and the Great Reaper (and consequently Reapettes) shall be added, as they are iconic enough enemies to make sense. They will randomly spawn when it comes to 9-10 player games and over 21.
    -After some more testing, I will decide exactly what I want to do with Pandora v Chaos Kin testing and Chaos Kin's buff.
    -Once that's done, I'll work on Hades's Heart and Mimicutie, if I feel like the balance will not be hurt by their editions if done properly.
    -Hopefully new characters means new players which means new life to the theme which means boost. If this doesn't work, maybe people can tell me what the hell is wrong after I've been asking for several months.
    -Figure this part out when I get to it, might be another theme or an adjustment.

    If anyone has an issue with this at this point, oh well. This change was meant to be a present but, instead, now I'm having to use it to prove a point that more characters does not mean more confusion, but simply more flavor and more fun. Doesn't take that much to use /roles themename:role after all!
     
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