Set Suggestions and Changes (read the OP before posting)

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  1. Sasuke Uchiha

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    Hasty Nature, Level 100
    U-turn / Extreme Speed / Iron Head / Flamethrower
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 283 HP / 339 Atk / 203 Def / 276 SpA / 226 SpD / 326 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Insane Soul
    Accepted By: Finchinator

    The set is missing 4 EVs in HP. And I suggest running a -Sp Def nature instead of a -Def nature? Most priority is physical and this way it can live a Choice Banded Sucker Punch from Bisharp.

    252+ Atk Choice Band Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Genesect: 219-258 (77.1 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
     
  2. Arceus_17

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    @Sasuke.

    Having Extremespeed - an event move - forces you to run a silly Hasty nature, like Aura Sphere Raikou which could (can) only run Rash.
     
  3. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    I will look into this once I get online.
    While A_17 makes a valid point, I must replace this with a properly EVd build, so I might as well give it the best nature while doing so.
    Look for a change in the upcoming days, thank you!
     
  4. Prince LudwigVKoopa

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    Deoxys-A @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Pressure
    Naive Nature, Level 100
    Superpower / Extreme Speed / Psycho Boost / Ice Beam
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 241 HP / 396 Atk / 76 Def / 459 SpA / 68 SpD / 438 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Raducan
    Accepted By: ßasedVictory


    Give it attack EVs. At least 4!

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    Gourgeist-XL @ Leftovers
    Ability: Insomnia
    Impish Nature, Level 100
    Will-O-Wisp / Leech Seed / Seed Bomb / Shadow Sneak
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 374 HP / 237 Atk / 377 Def / 136 SpA / 186 SpD / 144 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Venejcsuz
    Accepted By: ZoroDark


    There is absolutely no way Gourgeist can be sleeped in XY OU. Frisk > Insomnia.

    It's probably too similar to this set otherwise:

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    Gourgeist-XL @ Leftovers
    Ability: Frisk
    Impish Nature, Level 100
    Will-O-Wisp / Pain Split / Leech Seed / Shadow Sneak
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 374 HP / 236 Atk / 377 Def / 136 SpA / 187 SpD / 144 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Finchinator
    Accepted By: sulcata

    So remove it entirely.
     
  5. Arceus_17

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    I'd like to suggest a small change in LC Shieldon's set. Since Roar is almost never used (there are no setup sweepers in the tier bar Swirlix - who gets ko'd by Iron Head), Rock Blast would be a beter option do deal with the Fire Types, Ponyta and Larvesta, that can easily beat this current Shieldon. With Rock Blast it can also check Murkrow better.
     
  6. Green Eyed Russian

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    I've found this Giratina-O set in BF XY Ubers multiple times, both, as team member and threat.
    I guarantee you that, in the current metagame, this set makes Giratina-O an incredibly annoying dead weight to keep in a team, probably at the same Xatu level.
    With the general increase of the offensive pressure in this new metagame, I've seen that in almost every match Giratina-O doesn't even have time to use Substitute or Calm Mind, and even when it does manage to set one of these moves there another problem to face. Aura Sphere and Dragon Pulse, already slightly nerfed in power don't offer the best of coverage with the Fairy type resisting both of its attacking moves, Ho-Oh easily phazing it and Aegislash not finding extreme problems with it as well. If you really wish to keep the Substitute CM set then Shadow Ball would be a good change in the set but personally I'd remove this Giratina-O set completely from BF XY Ubers.
    A Defog set or even another offensive with Thunder Wave and maybe Stone Edge would be better to let Giratina-O have at least 3 different sets in BF XY Ubers, to be honest even Magic Coat to deal with the somehow very common Smeargle would work better than the current listed one.
     
  7. Hearth

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    aren't those two sets the same?

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    Honedge @ Eviolite
    Ability: No Guard
    Adamant Nature, Level 5
    Shadow Sneak / Swords Dance / Sacred Sword / Iron Head
    EVs: 212 HP / 236 Atk / 60 SpD
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 23 HP / 18 Atk / 16 Def / 9 SpA / 11 SpD / 9 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Elmo
    Accepted By: Weavile

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    Honedge @ Eviolite
    Ability: No Guard
    Adamant Nature, Level 5
    Shadow Sneak / Swords Dance / Sacred Sword / Iron Head
    EVs: 212 HP / 236 Atk / 60 SpD
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 23 HP / 18 Atk / 16 Def / 9 SpA / 11 SpD / 9 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Elmo
    Accepted By: Weavile

    If this
    (19:17:22) Зeлeнoглaзый Pyccкий: Yes, I guess. I don't know if it's an error or what, because maybe it was copied and pasted to increase the possibility to get a Honedge in your team to counter some of the set up mons.
    is true then ignore this post
     
  8. Yttrium

    Yttrium Well-Known Member Developer Developer

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    Mewtwo @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    Timid Nature, Level 100
    Taunt / Light Screen / Will-O-Wisp / Recover
    EVs: 252 HP / 72 SpD / 184 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 416 HP / 230 Atk / 216 Def / 344 SpA / 234 SpD / 376 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Raducan
    Accepted By: ßasedVictory
    I think this could really use an attacking move, perhaps Psystrike instead of Light Screen. Otherwise it doesn't seem to do much.
     
  9. Hannah

    Hannah Come a little closer

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    The entire use of that set is PP stall and to spread status around. Psystrike would be out of place considering every move is needed to achieve that goal, plus it wouldn't hit hard due to being uninvested.
     
  10. Fixed

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    Some things I have noticed in BF. I'll only post the really obvious ones here, you can PM me if you want to hear all the others (which could be slightly debatable I guess).

    Psystrike stops you from being trapped and killed by Gengar, making it the clearly better option in regular play. Up to you to decide if that's worth it in BF though (same for Unnerve which lets you burn Lum Berry users, but Pressure can be useful too).


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    Charizard @ Charizardite Y
    Ability: Blaze
    Timid Nature, Level 100
    Fire Blast / Focus Blast / Solar Beam / Roost
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 298 HP / 183 Atk / 192 Def / 317 SpA / 206 SpD / 328 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Insane Soul
    Accepted By: Finchinator

    Move the 4 HP anywhere else to switch into rocks twice.


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    Giratina-O @ Griseous Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    Naughty Nature, Level 100
    Draco Meteor / Shadow Sneak / Outrage / Hidden Power
    EVs: 248 Atk / 252 SpA / 8 Spe
    IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
    Hidden Power Fire
    Stats: 441 HP / 370 Atk / 236 Def / 338 SpA / 212 SpD / 217 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Raducan
    Accepted By: ßasedVictory

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    Ho-Oh @ Choice Band
    Ability: Regenerator
    Adamant Nature, Level 100
    Sacred Fire / Brave Bird / Earthquake / Sleep Talk
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 415 HP / 394 Atk / 216 Def / 230 SpA / 344 SpD / 218 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Raducan
    Accepted By: ßasedVictory

    Why is there speed creep on these two sets? If you believe these two Pokemon should be faster than the slow base 90s, give it some real speed investment which takes away some bulk or offensive power.


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    Arceus-Rock @ Stone Plate
    Ability: Multitype
    Timid Nature, Level 100
    Will-O-Wisp / Recover / Defog / Judgment
    EVs: 248 HP / 144 Def / 116 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 443 HP / 248 Atk / 312 Def / 276 SpA / 276 SpD / 335 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Raducan
    Accepted By: ßasedVictory

    There is no Garchomp to outspeed in Ubers. Also what's the point of 248 HP EVs instead of 252?


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    Gengar @ Gengarite
    Ability: Levitate
    Timid Nature, Level 100
    Destiny Bond / Shadow Ball / Focus Blast / Dazzling Gleam
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 261 HP / 149 Atk / 157 Def / 359 SpA / 186 SpD / 350 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Xdevo
    Accepted By: sulcata

    Taunt. Please. Also Sludge Wave > Focus Blast/Shadow Ball imo but I'll let you decide on that one.


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    Xerneas @ Power Herb
    Ability: Fairy Aura
    Modest Nature, Level 100
    Geomancy / Moonblast / Thunderbolt / Focus Blast
    EVs: 44 HP / 28 Def / 252 SpA / 184 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 404 HP / 268 Atk / 233 Def / 397 SpA / 232 SpD / 280 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: Raducan
    Accepted By: ßasedVictory

    Thunderbolt is literally outclassed by HP Rock. Psyshock and Thunder are probably the best options for the coverage move.
     
  11. Arceus_17

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    Yeah, people need to figure that a super effective Thunderbolt deals less damage than a neutral Moonblast:

    +2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Kyogre: 261-307 (64.6 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    +2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Kyogre: 248-292 (61.3 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


    Alas, the only Pokémon in BF Ubers that is hit harder with Thunderbolt (considering Xerneas current set) is Ho-Oh, which is weak to it and resists Moonblast. Note that it only 2HKO's.

    +2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0+ SpD Ho-Oh: 272-320 (65.5 - 77.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery


    So, it is logical to look for better options. Let's have a look at the calcs for HP Rock, Psyshock and Thunder.

    +2 252+ SpA Xerneas Hidden Power Rock vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Ho-Oh: 400-472 (96.3 - 113.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

    +2 252+ SpA Xerneas Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh: 211-249 (50.8 - 60%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    +2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Ho-Oh: 364-430 (87.7 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

    So, Psyshock is garbage and HP Rock seems like the best choice.
    Thunder has its own merits, though: when it hits a Pokémon for super effective damage it deals more damage than a neutral Moonblast. Let's see how it does against other pokémon that can tank a +2 Moonblast.


    +2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kyogre: 330-390 (81.6 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock)
    +2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Lugia: 364-430 (87.5 - 103.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

    To conclude, I hope this demonstrates that both Thunder and HP Rock are better options than Thunderbolt. HP Rock main (and only) selling point is the high chance of OHKO'ing Ho-Oh. On the other hand, Thunder greatly increases Xerneas chances of sweeping with Stealth Rock support. Some may deem it as unreliable outside of rain but Focus Blast has the same shaky accuracy and it's there :x


    A final note: I ignored on purpose the 2 Xerneas hard counters: Jirachi and Aegislash. That's because Jirachi is already 2hko'd by Focus Blast (which by the way would be a miracle if it doesn't miss while being paralyzed and flinched to death) and Aegislash is unbeatable unless GF gives Xerneas Fusion Flare is the near future. Chansey is also 2hko'd by Focus Blast (more powerful than Psyshock)
     
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    I can agree with these changes, my mistake for putting speed EVs on these sets.

    Again, I can agree with this.

    Regarding the Sludge Wave, I agree on. However, I still think Taunt/Destiny Bond is a preference; if you think one is blatantly better than the other, please give some evidence to support it.

    Thanks for giving all those calcs. I'll be sure to talk to ZoroDark (other Ubers reviewer) about all of these sets and we'll decide if we want to change them or not.
     
  13. Fixed

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    Sorry, I guess I was not clear enough. The set I'm thinking of is:

    Gengar (M) @ Gengarite
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Taunt
    - Destiny Bond
    - Sludge Wave
    - Shadow Ball / Focus Blast

    Taunt is a very important move for Gengar. It allows you to trap and kill Chansey, which the current set cannot do. It is also needed to successfully use Destiny Bond against Pokemon with recovery moves, specifically CM Arceus and SubRoost Ho-oh. Finally, it is generally useful to prevent Defog or set-up. Dazzling Gleam hits some important targets super effectively, especially Palkia (to prepare a Kyogre sweep). However Sludge Wave is only 11% weaker, so Dazzling Gleam is not really necessary.

    252 SpA Mega Gengar Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Palkia: 124-146 (38.5 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252 SpA Mega Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Palkia: 109-129 (33.8 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
     
  14. Sasuke Uchiha

    Sasuke Uchiha God of tits and wine

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    Tornadus-T @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Regenerator
    Jolly Nature, Level 100
    U-turn / Superpower / Air Slash / Knock Off
    EVs: 252 Atk / 72 SpD / 184 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 299 HP / 299 Atk / 196 Def / 230 SpA / 234 SpD / 356 Spe
    Generation: X/Y

    I feel like this set would benefit a lot with enough speed to outspeed Starmie. I got popped by Starmie's Ice Beam today, totally surprised that it outsped me.
    With U-turn and Knock Off it has the perfect moves to deal with it.
     
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    In normal circunstances I'd totally support this. It's obvious Taunt is a great move for a 130 Base speed Shadow Tag Pokémon and it should always be a first option for MGengar to have in its moveset.
    However the ability to simply trap and eliminate 2 the best special walls in Battle Factory Ubers - Lugia and Chansey - is just too good.

    Edit: Also, what's with Superpower in BF Ubers Landorus? Stone Edge/Rock Slide is better all day.
     
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    Yeah sorry about that. I didn't face many starmie and that was from my OU team so..
    Since MegaLucario is banned , might as well change the speed.
    Please remove it and if no one submits a better set , I will probably replace it myself soon
    Also thinking of an LO set . But yeah Base 121 should outspeed 115
    This has been bothering me though..
    252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 72 SpD Assault Vest Tornadus-T: 146-172 (48.8 - 57.5%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO
    You still don't lose to starmie but w/e , if no one removes it . I'll change the spread
     
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  17. Sasuke Uchiha

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    Yeah you don't lose 1v1, but I had been using Tornadus-T quite a lot during that match so I was at 40% or so. It's a very usefull pokemon for many situations and with Regenerator you get to use that thing a lot during a match :)
     
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    Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Drizzle
    Timid Nature, Level 100
    Ice Beam / Thunder / Water Spout / Surf
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 341 HP / 212 Atk / 217 Def / 399 SpA / 316 SpD / 306 Spe
    Generation: X/Y

    Kyogre should be modest. Timid scarf is just too weak

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    Landorus-T @ Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    Impish Nature, Level 100
    Earthquake / U-turn / Stealth Rock / Superpower
    EVs: 248 HP / 76 Atk / 184 Def
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 381 HP / 345 Atk / 288 Def / 221 SpA / 196 SpD / 218 Spe
    Generation: X/Y -Ubers

    Superpower???????
    It should be toxic/Stone Edge . heck even knock off is better

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    Hippowdon @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Impish Nature, Level 100
    Earthquake / Stealth Rock / Whirlwind / Slack Off
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 420 HP / 260 Atk / 368 Def / 154 SpA / 181 SpD / 130 Spe
    Generation: X/Y - OU
    This set would really appreciate 48 Evs in speed to do close to 70% to mawile after which it can be picked off. Removing that from the Def evs does not hurt it's bulk at all
     
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    Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
    Ability: Synchronize
    Timid Nature, Level 100
    Hyper Voice / Shadow Ball / Psyshock / Calm Mind
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 278 HP / 149 Atk / 166 Def / 349 SpA / 266 SpD / 284 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: sulcata
    Accepted By: Angelus

    Just going to go ahead and say that the ability should be Trace :x
     
  20. sulcata

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    Yagura, this is the correct thread for set suggestions now. The old thread is no longer used for that (I should probably move all the posts so people don't post there for that anymore). I moved your post as you can see. Also, in the future I'd like it if people could specify what tier the set is in. It's not always immediately apparent as it is not listed in the set information and is often quite pertinent to the discussion.

    Also, fully agree with Trace over Synchronize. Submitting change.
     
  21. Arceus_17

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    The Sub/CM Giratina-O in BF Ubers should have Aura Sphere replaced with Shadow Ball which, because of the new tpe chart, gives it perfect coverage with Dragon Pulse. With Shadow Ball it can also break through Jirachi, Aegislash and actually hit Xerneas. Note that the difference between a super effective Aura Sphere and a neutral Griseous Orb Shadow Ball is minimal. I'd also suggest giving it enough speed Ev's to avoid the T.wave from Jirachi.

    252+ SpA Giratina-O Aura Sphere vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 258-304 (71.2 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ SpA Griseous Orb Giratina-O Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 231-273 (63.8 - 75.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
     
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    sulcata stéphane curry best waifu Forum Moderator Server Administrator Forum Moderator Server Administrator

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    Suggestion sounds nice, but speed creeping is a big "no-no" in Battle Factory. It just comes down to continually adding speed EVs that can be rendered useless by adding 8 EVs to the other set. In battle factory all it essentially does is reduce the set's bulk and arbitrarily place one Pokemon in a higher speed tier than another.
     
  23. Prince LudwigVKoopa

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    Gothitelle @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Shadow Tag
    Timid Nature, Level 100
    Psychic / Grass Knot / Hidden Power / Trick
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    IVs: 0 Atk / 30 Def
    Hidden Power Ice
    Stats: 282 HP / 103 Atk / 225 Def / 289 SpA / 256 SpD / 251 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: fitzyhbbe
    Accepted By: sulcata



    You will never lock yourself into HP Ice. Change to anything else. Like... HP Fire, Shadow Ball, Thunderbolt.

    THIS SET IS XY UU. PLEASE POST WHAT TIER IN THE FUTURE, THANKS ~ SULCATA
     
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  24. Finchinator

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    Hp Ice is fine on Gothitelle; you never specified if OU or UU, but in UU it hits Zygarde, Gligar, Salamence and others. In OU it hits Garchomp, Gliscor, Dragonite, Salamence, Landorus, Landorus-T, and others.

    On the contrary, Thunderbolt over Grass Knot could be possibly implemented - also, I guess Shadow Ball could be considered somewhere, as you mentioned, thanks to the steel debuff.
     
  25. Prince LudwigVKoopa

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    Oh, yeah, it's UU.

    I don't think you can consider Pokémon that outspeed and KO Gothitelle as Gothitelle hitting them though.
     
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    Breloom @ Life Orb
    Ability: Technician
    Adamant Nature, Level 100
    Bullet Seed / Mach Punch / Spore / Swords Dance
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    IVs: All 31
    Stats: 261 HP / 394 Atk / 197 Def / 140 SpA / 156 SpD / 239 Spe
    Generation: X/Y
    Submitted By: sulcata
    Accepted By: Afro Smash

    I would really prefer Rock Tomb > SD on this set. Even with Mach Punch, Breloom is still just a little bit too slow to sweep, and Rock Tomb would be so much better for dealing with Flying- and Fire-types who are going to want to switch in, as well as at least slowing down something switching in that maybe Breloom won't want to stay in on. Also, I remember someone telling me that Rock Tomb slows down Starmie to the point where it can outspeed so that might be useful

    THIS SET IS XY UU. PLEASE POST WHAT TIER IN THE FUTURE, THANKS ~ SULCATA
     
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    After almost one month, Synchronize Gardevoir is still in BF UU.
     
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    I recall submitting the fix and having someone accept and replace. Someone probably forgot to /savesets. Will submit again.
     
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    This actually applies to both UU and OU, because both sets are SD sets. Sorry for not specifying the tier though :[
     
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    Talked to finchinator, he thinks rock tomb is better as well. Volcarona, Talonflame, and various other pokemon who don't appreciate being slower are all common-place. Submitted change, finch accepted, /savedsets this time! I'll alert a UU reviewer whenever I see them about the suggestion and fix.
     
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    The foe's Zygarde used Outrage!
    Gothitelle lost 190 HP! (67% of its health)

    Gothitelle used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Zygarde lost 71% of its health!

    Yeah, that's not beating shit.

    (Granted Gothitelle has no item in this)

    Edit: 'cause that's the point of Trick
     
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    Starmie @ Life Orb; Ability: Analytic; Timid Nature; Level 100
    Rapid Spin / Thunderbolt / Hydro Pump / Ice Beam
    Stats: 261 HP / 139 Attack / 206 Defense / 299 Sp.Atk / 207 Sp.Def / 361 Speed

    Excadrill @ Choice Scarf; Ability: Mold Breaker; Jolly Nature; Level 100
    Rock Slide / Earthquake / Iron Head / Rapid Spin
    Stats: 361 HP / 369 Attack / 157 Defense / 122 Sp.Atk / 166 Sp.Def / 302 Speed
    this set is just bad Rapid spin scarf
     
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    analytic is great on starmie for hitting faster targets with tremendous power so i dont see what you're trying to say here
     
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    It's timid max speed
     
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    Hitting a target when it switches in also gets Analytic boost.
     
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    Please actually say what's wrong with the set rather than bolding it or calling it "just bad". I'm sure if I simply called someone's post "just bad" or bolded what I think is wrong with it they wouldn't be very clear on how to improve.

    With that said, Analytic is for punishing switch ins; not much can take a LO Analytic boosted Hydro Pump/Ice Beam in OU. Debatably Psychic could go in there for damaging Mega Venusaur. I also don't think Scarf Excadrill wants to run any other move, as Earthquake, Rock Slide, and Iron Head are all it needs attacking wise. None of its coverage moves offer it anything as they are all outdamaged by a neutral EQ when only 2x effective or are redundant in coverage. Rapid Spin isn't there to sweep or constantly remove rocks, just to get a spin off before dying or on an obvious non-setup switch-in. If one uses it while a set up sweeper is still alive, that's their fault.
     
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    There are 2 Escavalier sets in BF UU. The one with Megahorn / Iron Head/ Knock Off / Pursuit has Swarm which use is situational and limited compared to Overcoat. In my opinion the ability should be changed.
     
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    Out of curiosity, how is it more "situational and limited" when only Hail (just over 1% usage) and powder moves (Roserade is at 4.60% so I guess it's a bit of a better point) will be affected by Overcoat in XY UU whereas Swarm comes into effect quite often due to escavalier's ability to tank a hit or two?
     
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    Why bringing usage stats to battle factory (?)

    Overcoat is overall more useful because it's the difference of Escavalier switching safely in Spore/Sleep Pwder users that it easily counters, such as Ammoongus, Roserade and Smeargle, or be putting into sleep, becoming insta setup bait (mainly for entry hazards).
     
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    Because usage stats indicate what someone is likely to see in the actual tier, the thing these packs are meant to emulate! Sets should not be adjusted specifically for battle factory unless it is particularly bad without specific team support.

    I do agree that Overcoat *could* be better; however, I wanted to point out that it is more "situational and limited" than Swarm due to how often swarm will come into play compared to Overcoat.