[HGSS] Gen 4 OU - Simple Counter Guide

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  1. Eternal

    Eternal こんにちは。

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    This was made about 4 years ago, so it's very outdated. I'm hoping to update it.

    UPDATING. PLEASE IGNORE ALL ERRORS FOR NOW

    What is a counter?
    *A counter is a Pokemon that can safely switch into the opposing Pokemon and be able to defeat it in return.

    The above is a definition of a hard counter. Very few Pokemon can hard counter threats such as Choice Band Dragonite, since there aren't many Pokemon at all to switch into a Choice Banded STAB Outrage, and if they do, they still aren't safe from a Choice Banded Earthquake or Fire Punch. However, with good predictions and strategy, players can learn to safely switch into threats and be able to counter the opposing Pokemon. For example, say your counter or to be precise, check, to Choice Band Scizor is Magnezone. But Magnezone can't take a Superpower from Scizor. So you want to trap Scizor by forcing it to use a common move like Bullet Punch. In this case, even though Magnezone is not a safe switch-in to Choice Band Scizor, it can still reliably switch into one of Scizor's most commonly used moves (Bullet Punch) and defeat it in return. Thus, Magnezone can be regarded as a check to Choice Band Scizor, but not a hard counter. So for this guide, I will not only mention hard counters, but also checks and reliable counters as well.
    What is a reliable counter or check?
    *A reliable counter or check is a Pokemon that can switch into the opposing Pokemon's most commonly used move and be able to defeat it in return.

    This Pokemon should be able to do one of the following:

    - Switch into the opposing Pokemon's most commonly used move and defeat it in return.
    - Can stall the opposing Pokemon indefinitely using its recovery options either forcing it out or healing enough that the stalling Pokemon can alternate between recovery and attacking.
    - Can cripple this Pokemon with a permanent status move without risking a OHKO.
    - Can set up, use hazards, weather, or otherwise inhibit an opponent's strategy without risking a 2HKO.
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    Key:
    *Pokemon is highlighted Red.
    *Ability of the Pokemon is in Violet.
    *Item that the Pokemon stems its power on is in and Green.
    *Commonly used moves are colored Orange
    *Moves/Items inside [brackets] are the moves that the counter Pokemon cannot resist well and should be taken into suspicion when in battle.
    *Pokemon + (move), meaning that that Pokemon must have the given move or ability to be a viable counter.
    * An asterisk (*) next to the countering Pokemon denotes that the Pokemon is weak to Stealth Rock, and may inhibit its ability to counter in game. Thus, having a Pokemon with Rapid Spin or Magic Bounce ability is suggested.

    Heatran -- Flash Fire
    [​IMG]
    -- Choice Scarf / Shuca Berry / Leftovers / Choice Specs / Passho Berry / Life Orb
    -- Fire Blast, Earth Power, Explosion, HP Electric, Stealth Rock, Will-O-Wisp, Dragon Pulse, Roar, Lava Plume, Protect, HP Grass, Substitute, Torment, Toxic
    Starmie [HP Electric/Grass]
    Tyranitar (Earthquake/Superpower) - [Earth Power/WoW]
    Gyarados* (HP Electric/WoW)
    Flygon [HP Ice/Dragon Pulse/WoW]
    Dragonite* [HP Ice/Dragon Pulse/WoW]
    Blissey [Explosion]
    Suicune [HP Grass/Electric]
    Swampert [HP Grass/WoW]
    Kingdra [Dragon Pulse/WoW]
    Aerodactyl* [HP Ice/WoW]
    Vaporeon [HP Grass/Electric]
    Snorlax (Earthquake) - [WoW]
    Kingdra [Dragon Pulse]
    Togekiss*

    Starmie -- Natural Cure
    [​IMG]
    -- Leftovers / Life Orb / Choice Scarf
    -- Hydro Pump, Thunderbolt, Recover, Rapid Spin, Surf, Ice Beam, Trick
    Tyranitar (Choice Scarf) - [Hydro Pump/Surf]
    Jirachi (BULK + Wish + Protect) - [Hydro Pump]
    Scizor (Choice Scarf) - [Hydro Pump/Surf]
    Blissey
    Celebi (Choice Scarf) - [Ice Beam]
    Shaymin [Ice Beam]
    Kingdra
    Roserade
    Snorlax
    Abomasnow

    Jirachi -- Serene Grace
    [​IMG]
    -- Leftovers / Choice Scarf / Expert Belt
    -- Calm Mind, Thunderbolt, Psychic, HP Ground, Wish, Grass Knot, Ice Punch, Trick, U-turn, Iron Head, Fire Punch, Substitute, Thunder, Icy Wind, Body Slam
    Heatran [HP Ground]
    Scizor [Fire Punch]
    Flygon [Ice Punch]
    Rotom-W [Calm Mind]
    Blissey [Iron Head / Substitute + Calm Mind]
    Metagross
    Celebi [U-turn]
    Zapdos* [Ice Punch]
    Rotom-H [Calm Mind]
    Gliscor [Ice Punch/Icy Wind/Psychic]
    Swampert [Grass Knot]
    Shaymin [Calm Mind/U-turn]
    Magnezone [HP Ground]
    Bronzong [Fire Punch]
    Hippowdon [Grass Knot]
    Raikou [Calm Mind]

    UPDATE MARK

    Tyranitar
    [​IMG]
    Leftovers/Choice Band/Life Orb
    Bronzong [Fire Punch/CB Crunch]
    Swampert
    Gliscor
    Skarmory [CB Stone Edge]
    Forretress [CB Stone Edge/Fire Punch]
    Machamp [CB Earthquake]
    Hippowdon [Ice Beam]
    Donphan
    Rhyperior

    Flygon
    [​IMG]

    Gyarados
    [​IMG]
    Suicune + HP Elec
    Vaporeon + HP Elec
    Starmie + very bulky
    Cresselia + Charge Beam
    Porygon2

    Scizor
    [​IMG]
    Life Orb/Leftovers/Choice Band
    Heatran [Superpower/Brick Break]
    Gyarados
    Zapdos
    Skarmory
    Dusknoir [Pursuit]
    Tentacruel
    Magnezone [Superpower/Brick Break]
    Hippowdon
    Donphan

    Rotom-W
    [​IMG]

    Infernape
    [​IMG]
    Life Orb
    Gyarados [Thunderpunch]
    Zapdos [Stone Edge]
    Suicune [Grass Knot]
    Vaporeon [Grass Knot]
    Starmie [Grass Knot]
    Togekiss
    Cresselia
    Tentacruel [Grass Knot]
    Kingdra
    Latias

    Breloom
    [​IMG]

    Dragonite
    [​IMG]

    Gengar
    [​IMG]
    Choice Scarf/Life Orb
    Heatran [Focus Blast]
    Blissey [Explosion/Focus Punch]
    Scizor [HP Fire]
    Bronzong
    Swampert [Energy Ball]
    Togekiss [Thunderbolt]
    Jirachi
    Snorlax + Crunch/Pursuit [Focus Blast]
    Spiritomb

    Suicune
    [​IMG]
    Leftovers/Life Orb
    Zapdos [CM]
    Celebi [Ice Beam]
    Snorlax + CB
    Shaymin/-S
    Starmie + Tbolt [CM]

    Azelf
    [​IMG]

    Celebi
    [​IMG]
    Leftovers
    Heatran [Earth Power]
    Gengar [Psychic]
    Metagross [Earth Power]
    Scizor [HP Fire]
    Tyranitar [Grass Knot]
    Zapdos + Heat Wave [Calm Mind]
    Togekiss
    Heracross [Psychic]
    Yanmega
    Jirachi [Earth Power]
    Spiritomb

    Zapdos
    [​IMG]
    Leftovers/Choice Scarf
    Blissey + Toxic
    Tyranitar
    Swampert [HP Grass]
    Cresselia + CM
    Snorlax
    Rhyperior

    Blissey
    [​IMG]

    Metagross
    [​IMG]
    Leftovers/Choice Band/Life Orb
    Heatran [Earthquake]
    Scizor
    Bronzong + Earthquake
    Zapdos
    Swampert
    Suicune [Thunderpunch]
    Gliscor [Ice Punch]
    Forretress + Earthquake
    Skarmory
    Hippowdon
    Donphan

    Skarmory
    [​IMG]

    Lucario
    [​IMG]
    Life Orb
    Gyarados
    Zapdos
    Gliscor [Ice Punch]
    Dusknoir [Crunch]
    Hippowdon

    Rotom-H
    [​IMG]

    Machamp
    [​IMG]

    Gliscor
    [​IMG]

    Shaymin
    [​IMG]

    Roserade
    [​IMG]

    Forretress
    [​IMG]

    Swampert
    [​IMG]
    Leftovers
    Gyarados [Stone Edge]
    Celebi
    Shaymin/-S
    Suicune
    Vaporeon
    Milotic
    Starmie
    Cresselia + CM

    Kingdra
    [​IMG]

    Magnezone
    [​IMG]

    Bronzong
    [​IMG]
    Leftovers
    Heatran [Earthquake]
    Gyarados
    Scizor
    Zapdos
    Celebi + Leech Seed
    Swampert
    Suicune
    Vaporeon

    Aerodactyl
    [​IMG]

    Hippowdon
    [​IMG]

    Dugtrio
    [​IMG]

    Tentacruel
    [​IMG]

    Raikou
    [​IMG]

    Jolteon
    [​IMG]

    Snorlax
    [​IMG]

    Abomasnow
    [​IMG]

    Empoleon
    [​IMG]

    Froslass
    [​IMG]

    Vaporeon
    [​IMG]
    Leftovers
    Blissey + Toxic
    Zapdos [Toxic/Ice Beam]
    Celebi [Ice Beam]
    Shaymin/-S [Ice Beam]
    Starmie
    Cresselia + CM [Toxic]
    Snorlax
    Kingdra

    Mamoswine
    [​IMG]

    Weavile
    [​IMG]
    Choice Band/Life Orb
    Heatran + Choice Scarf
    Gyarados
    Metagross
    Scizor
    Bronzong
    Swampert
    Suicune
    Vaporeon
    Forretress
    Skarmory
    Jirachi
    Milotic



    Links:
    - http://pokecheats.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-10985.html
    - http://pokecheats.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-11395.html
    - Gen 3 OU (will be revamping this next) - http://pokecheats.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-13256.html
     
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    Most commonly used leads:

    1. Azelf
    2. Heatran
    3. Machamp
    4. Starmie
    5. Aerodactyl
    6. Jirachi
    7. Gliscor
    8. Infernape
    9. Metagross
    10. Roserade
    11. Tyranitar
    12. Swampert
    13. Hippowdon
    14. Skarmory
    15. Forretress

    Stealth Rock Supporters:
    1. Azelf
    2. Heatran
    3. Aerodactyl
    4. Infernape
    5. Metagross
    6. Skarmory
    7. Swampert
    8. Gliscor
    9. Forretress
    10. Bronzong
    11. Hippowdon
    12. Mamoswine
    13. Donphan
    14. Celebi
    15. Tyranitar
    16. Jirachi
    17. Blissey
    18. Empoleon

    Rapid Spinners:
    1. Starmie
    2. Forretress
    3. Tentacruel
    4. Donphan
    5. Hitmontop

    Spin Blockers (Ghosts)
    1. Gengar
    2. Rotom-W / Rotom-H / Rotom-F
    3. Froslass
    4. Dusknoir
    5. Spiritomb
     
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