[Final] Arceus-Grass

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Ubers Analyses' started by Dr. Doom, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    -Manaphy-- Overconsumption

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    Why do this when you can run a little more Speed to outrun base 111's? In my experience any speed past that point is useless (let's be honest, tying other Arceus forms is mostly useless) and and speed lower is too slow.

    I also feel like you should mention Rain - Arceus-Grass massively enjoys it and it's needed in order to wall Palkia (you can even beat Reshiram with enough prior CM's) Overall though it looks pretty good.
     
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    -Leon- bae <3

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    I'd slash Stone Edge with Ice beam/Earth Power for Ho-oh as it has the surprise factor,and can catch anyone off guard.Otherwise,looks god to me.
     
  4. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    The only base 110s in the tier are Lugia (who rarely runs full speed anyway) and Lati@s who can usually beat Grass Arceus. I will mention rain.

    Trouble is, with no investment it won't be doing much damage at all. Arceus can't really go mixed. If you really want to lure Ho-Oh you could use Hidden Power Rock, but it's not that powerful.
     
  5. Laurel

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    I've gone through and fixed some of the grammar if that's okay? Other than that it looks good. I think the very last sentence in Checks and Counters can be removed, those Arceus forms are terrible, and are barely ever used for a reason. I'd also mention that it does not just check Kyogre, but is arguably the best check to it as it is only hit by Ice Beam, and can Recover unlike Ferrothorn.
     
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  6. puregenius

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    lol hp rock

    4 SpA Arceus-Grass Hidden Power Rock vs. 248 HP / 84 SpD Ho-Oh: 156-184 (37.59 - 44.33%) -- guaranteed 3HKO0
    - Atk Arceus-Grass Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh: 332-392 (80 - 94.45%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    so yes stone edge does deserve a mention

    also mention fire blast in oo (for support)
    it prevents grasseus from being hazard bait, killing stuff like ferro, forre and skarm

    mention genesect and tornadus t is cc

    otherwise looks good
     
  7. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    A +1 HP Rock is a OHKO after Stealth Rock.

    +1 4 SpA Arceus-Grass Hidden Power Rock vs. 248 HP / 84 SpD Ho-Oh: 228-272 (54.93 - 65.54%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

    Will mention Genesect and Tornadus-T.
     
  8. -Leon-

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    You won't be having a chance to boost against Ho-oh,and it still does lesser damage than stone edge ._. I don't see any reason to not mention stone edge.
     
  9. puregenius

    puregenius :<

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    Lol u would never use hp rock or stone edge on the cm set
    It should be used exclusively on the support set, so u will never have the +1 boost

    I maintain, lol hp rock
     
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    I was about to mention that stone edge is better for support Arceus-Grass,but something came up and I forgot lol.
     
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    Stone Edge works. Could try this EV spread for the Calm Mind set if you wanna take Psystrikes & Dragon Claws better.

    Arceus-Grass @ Meadow Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 212 Spd / 252 Def / 44 HP
    Bold Nature
    - Calm Mind
    - Grass Knot
    - Ice Beam
    - Recover

    You can out speed Non-Scarfed Timid Palkia. Also Life Orb Sacred Fire from max attack Adamant Ho-Oh not in sun, won't KO without Spikes/Stealth Rocks.
    Though I don't know why you would wanna stay in...
     
  12. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Have mentioned Stone Edge in OO for the Support set, but for the most part Ice Beam and Earth Power are better. With no investment and a hindering nature, it won't scratch anything not named Ho-Oh (or Rayquaza I guess, but Ice Beam already OHKOs it). HP Rock was just a thought - really you shouldn't be staying in on Ho-Oh anyway.
     
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