[NOC] Bravest Warriors noc Mafia [Postgame Pt. 3 all roles out - Post #1744]

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  1. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    I don't think I can quote anything with the mod.
     
  2. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    So you're saying it's gibberish that can't really be paraphrased
     
  3. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    Yes. It says stuff about warriors but it really makes like no sense.
     
  4. Hopkirk

    Hopkirk +C

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    Maybe a role claim+what you sent in would be the best way to start. Does the result mention any people also?
     
  5. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    I claimed a long time ago. So, there is that.

    No it doesn't mention anyone inparticular.
     
  6. Hopkirk

    Hopkirk +C

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    Do you want to wait until you can ask dopog about it? We have timeish.
     
  7. dopog

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    Hiya!
     
  8. dopog

    dopog

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    So in regards to previous few posts;

    Rules say: Do not quote your role PM or any other PM/QT communication from the hosts in this thread or anywhere. This is quite important. Don't post your role PM. You can paraphrase. But if you have no idea if it's ok to do so talk to a host first.

    So yeah all PM communications (including any possible result PM's) cannot be heavily cp'ed. You can paraphrase, use some of the same words and give the general idea. Should challenge you to think about the results you get in the context of the game, even if that is potentially harder for some players...

    Also if anyone wants to send me a PM before they post something that's ok too!

    Also no change in votecount!
     
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  9. dopog

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    Hi!

    Only a couple days before deadline, not long to play now; let's do this!!! : )
     
  10. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    i am king congletard - now let's get to business

    Lynch Hopkirk

    I am confident that this is the right lynch. In fact, it's really a coinflip between marquis who hasn't claimed when there's a need to and hopkirk whose claim is weak at best. I would be willing to vote aei but obviously that doesn't work out for me given that if i lynch her i die so i';m going with what keeps me alive

    the case on hopkirk:
    marquis has pointed out how hopkirk has played similarily to being scum in sohv and i agree. short, seemingly important posts that don't have a lot in them. i also feel there's a general care towards the village goal. i asked him for a summary, didn't get one. his attitude was pretty much "figure it out" which doesn't seem to be very conductive meaning he should be very certain i'm mafia,,, except there is no strong case on me. i haven't seen anything from him re: why i'm mafia that seems to indicate a lot of positive thought. that shows me it appears he's trying to jump on my lynch. it's the simple strategy of "take advantage of the afk user" which i do applaud him for, but it isn't going to work this time.

    his claim also is quite strange. 1-time bpv + 1time neigborizer which incidentally has already come up. bpv is the cornerstone of all mafia fake claims - OC or NOC you can guarentee that it will be claimed - there's no way to prove or disprove it which makes it a common mafia claim. with this knowledge i feel this forsure shows that hopkirk is likely lying along with his behavior as i've already said

    wrote this out quick prolly doesn't make sense - challenge me on this and let's have a fair fight
     
  11. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    I have to say random roles make sense to me. I mean i am a JOAT with random actions that I don't know the effect until after i use them. I probably trust Windblown the most out of everyone because of my action n1.

    If we want we can no lynch and I can use one of my actions on Hopkirk and see what it does. I think I can guess what at least one of them does.
     
  12. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    the problem is that hopkirk's role isn't random, they're v. predictably mafia and there's no way to prove any of it - his action "failed" we can't kill him w/ a nightkill as village. it's a typical mafia scum claim combined with his play that suggests to me he is scum
     
  13. Hopkirk

    Hopkirk +C

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    1650 responses:

    Hey jal why hit marquis for not claiming when you haven’t/ massclaim=claim now.

    Sohv: Marquis didn’t say how did he/ evaded substantiation there. In sohv my posts were better than this, I got 4/6 of the scum (2 kills, 2 lynches) so how is this my sohv meta?

    Didn’t do summary: Because I couldn’t remember myself (long nights+other games) and you wouldn’t say when you subbed out in the first place.

    Certain you are mafia: There are two mafia left, the host basically told us this. It’s not me, it’s not wind and probably not beast so it is most likely you and marquis.

    Take advantage of afk user: I didn’t come on you until wind (conf town) did, this is a compromise.

    We haven’t had bulletproff- I’m the only bp I guess. The neighbourizer… That’s failed twice in a row, something to do with wind be in danger of death, I’ll try again but might pick tso instead (depends on flips today I guess). I can’t really argue against “your role seems scummy” when that’s what I was pmd.

    1651 responses: I feel like the role is being messed with somehow due to the failing action. It looks random but does fit the flavour+role.

    1652: “his action "failed" we can't kill him w/ a nightkill as village”: Why would I claim, as scum, something scum usually claim just to avoid vigilantes that don’t seem to exist. It’s because I’m claiming my role.
    It’s also ridiculously hypocritical to say my role looks scummy then casually avoid claiming yourself.

    Marquis and jal should have claimed already, their refusal to appears scummy.

    Overall: Seb is like almost confirmed scum while it could be jal or tso with jal being like 80%. If wind wants to lynch jal that’s better than a town lynch/no lynch.
     
  14. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    Why haven't you been pushing more for Seb then?

    I'll respond to things later today, maybe reread Hopkirk.
     
  15. Hopkirk

    Hopkirk +C

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    Because you didn't seem to want one today, i made the case, you chose someone else who was also very likely scum so that's good enough. I'm happy to follow the cleanest person here if they lead the town+vote for someone who has about a 80-90% chance of being scum.
     
  16. dopog

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    Yo thanks for jumping back into it chaps;

    Votecount;

    Jalmont (2) : Winblown, Hopkirk

    Hopkirk (1) : Jalmont

    Marquis (0) : Hopkirk

    Not voting (2) : Beast, Marquis

    If you have anything you need to talk to me about just pm dopog : )
     
  17. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    already claimed my man

    you got 4/6 mafia as mafia ok

    actually i did say when about i subbed out / lost track of what was going on

    no comment

    i've claimed... unless you mean marquis.
    "probably not beast" already eliminating possible options i c i c

    admit to bandwagoning

    the point here was that BPV is often a scum claim because of how convenient it is - you can't prove it. so far you have done nothing to prove your role - you would claim BPV because it's a good fakeclaim.

    wrong

    if i haven't claimed how is marquis still scummy??

    conclusion: hopkirk is the best lynch but i will settle for marquis lynch unless her claim is good (Which i hope happens in the near future!)
     
  18. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    "no comment" is actually my response to hopkirk's 1651 response, that should make my responses make more sense
     
  19. Hopkirk

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    When did you claim, i've forgotten that.

    So the case seems to be:
    1.)Nobody gave me a summary so Hopkirk is bad despite him saying he didn't remember what had happened.
    2.)He bandwagoned/voted his second to top scumread when the clean person voted them.
    3.)Any time a bulletproof role appears they must be scum.

    "so far you have done nothing to prove your role ": There's no way to prove bulletproof.

    ""probably not beast" already eliminating possible options i c i c": Windblown trust them to be town from their Qt, i trust windblown and her judgement.

    Hey wind would you be willing to move to marquis?
     
  20. dopog

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    Deadline is two days, three hours and forty-two minutes from now
     
  21. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    misrepresenting my argument again showing you are mafia

    1. i asked for a summary and instead of saying "sorry i dont remember," you ask me a couple questions, acting like you were going to do it and then never following through with it. i'm not saying you are bad because of that, i'm saying that's one of the reasons. you weren't straightforward with it, you could've said that from the outset, but you didn't?? it seems weird that you would go through the trouble of asking me when i came in when you "don't remember anything"
    2. pretty much this
    3. wrong - i'm saying that along with your behavior you claimed an oft-seen mafia role. things don't work in absolutes. you claimed a suspicious role, combined with your current behavior indicates for me that you are mafia

    what i mean is that you haven't proved your role and there's no way for you to prove it meaning that you are suspicious. i can't just take your word for it, that's why BPV is commonly claimed by scum. it looks nice and can't be proven either way

    hope marquis shows up
     
  22. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    oops forgot some stuff

    read up on my claim it happened recently lol i'm a party dude (inspect 3 people as a group every 3 nights, learn if either all 3 are good, or some # of 3 are bad [if only 1 is bad, or 2, or all 3, either way i get guilty result])

    2. need to clarify that your reasoning was basically "yea i agree with windblown" and it seems you aren't really doing any thinking for yourself which i find to be dangerous
     
  23. Hopkirk

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    1.) I didn’t actually remember what had happened this game so I wouldn’t have given you a summary. What you seem to think was me being “about to give summary” was: “Haven't you been here all game?” Firstly that isn’t the sort of person you’d want a summary from and secondly it was me asking a question, I never said I’d summarise (for a scum read).
    2.) Pretty much what? That’s a bad argument you’re using as it doesn’t make me scum.
    3.) So the role itself is a null tell yet it’s the focus of your argument. I reviewed the party insp role and the hypocrisy is still present. Saying you have a role like triple inspector (not lynchable) but no result- now that’s not really believable (idk how I forgot it). You seem to base a lot on my role claim saying it’s “not provable” as I’ve had “no results” and it “look suspicious”. Oh so un unverifiable cop isn’t.

    Do you even have a case outside the null role and not giving you a summary.

    And you want 99% confirmed scum to help you rather than confirmed town… ok.

    1662: The role gets scummier. Everyone you’ve inspected is already dead. You ask people how your role works then “reading” and you know (first thing you’d do) and then forget to do it last night/last time it could be useful to do. Basically it’s a nice sounding role but it doesn’t tell us anything.

    But you have convinced me of something; I should be sticking to my top scum read atm even if wind doesn’t agree with it.

    Vote marquis
    I will move back to jal if this won't happen. I won't lynch wind today and won't lynch beast.
     
  24. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    1) idk wtf
    2) hopkirk says jal and i haven't claimed when we both clearly have???? read
    3) on that note lol
    vote jalmont

    we lynch confscum today, marcello got binary and king congletard is not a role n1. gg i'm pro

    if he's not last scum i'm not sure on hopkirk anymore because he's scummy af but he really did get a message saying he couldn't neighborize windy. scum neighborizer? he's not with jal obv at least
     
  25. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    oh that wasn't a hammer...

    hoppy stop being silly and vote jal again
     
  26. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    this game man.
     
  27. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    vote marquis

    ok that's cool you haven't claimed yet so no problem doing this
     
  28. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    I already claimed Plum get with the times scum
     
  29. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    oh woops i misread ur post

    ok lets see
     
  30. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    well i guess it's my word vs yours

    i know that i'm in this game so you must be lying - oh well i tried
     
  31. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    if i'm really scum what do i gain with 5 players left

    nothing

    lynch pls
     
  32. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    oh this is what TSO was trying to crumb

    for the record:
    the only people on Laurel's wagon were either hackers or town
    2/3 haters were on Hannah's wagon

    interestingly enough, Hopkirk's slot was on Seb and jalmont was on ZZZX (had subbed in for Orth)

    ps also the claims are:
    Professor Fartsparkle (1-shot BPV + quicktopic maker??????????)
    Plum (message checker)
    King Congletard (party inspector)

    two of these are fake: the Hater flavors are both monsters that are bosses in Bravest Warriors while the Hacker flavors are both technological things
    ./obvious

    hint: the post restrictor is on Laurel's team. actually, is it likely that Marcello faked a post restriction...? why hasn't anyone else gotten one since Hopkirk allegedly faked his?

    Hey look at this first five people on Fegelein's wagon were town! then MS who was Hacker

    of other note: Jhen had two votes (Marcello, Feg) because Scene was scummy af and Hannah had 1 (Hopkirk)

    jalmont was not voting smh

    conclusion: scum was more likely to not vote Feg cause they knew the reveal was fake (ps the reveal is likely on the Hacker team [literally just forgot why] which means both teams would know the reveal is fake)

    Seb hammered Zoro. This really kinda dispels my thoughts about him being on the Haters.

    HELLO IF YOU ARE OUT THERE PLEASE RESPOND. (of course there has been one death every night which is ???? but still)

    very inclined to think that Seb isn't part of Hackers since he started a push on MS d4 when we were trying to lynch Jhen which would have been an easy mislynch for him

    I think that's really it regarding votes and stuff

    help
     
  33. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    MORE FUN ROLE SPECULATION

    lots of BW main characters are in the game:

    Chris - waehofen
    Beth - Hannah
    Wallow - TSO/Beast
    Danny - meeps
    Catbug - Orth
    Plum - Seb????
    Jelly Kid - me
    Impossibear - Feg
    (Beth's horse lol what) - Nicehat
    (Wankersheim) - AJ/Poignant
    (Emotion Lord) - Jhen

    Conclusion: I am actually fairly convinced that Plum is the most plausible claim

    @Hopkirk/Seb/jalmont: tell me which of the other two is the Hater and which is the Hacker. I feel this might help sort things out also Beast be active too you're my only confirmed friend :/
     
  34. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    >"3. I am a party inspector who can pick 3 people every 3 nights. Metal sonic + waehofen + nicehat came up as all good and then Hannah meeps and jhen were bad so I'm guessing I am insane party dude which is pretty fucked up."

    >"read up on my claim it happened recently lol i'm a party dude (inspect 3 people as a group every 3 nights, learn if either all 3 are good, or some # of 3 are bad [if only 1 is bad, or 2, or all 3, either way i get guilty result])"

    these two conditions are so fucked up I really don't think dopog was going to make it so complicated. insane -> if clean then 1/2/3 of them are scum? if scum then all of them are town? but you don't know this and you already have pre-determined conditions given to you by the party parameter???
     
  35. Jalmont

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    oh i was just explaining my role in terms of what i know since i've seen the party role before. usually how it goes is that you pick a group of people and the result you get back indicates whether they were all good or if some of them were mafia. a typical party role would be how i describe it in 2. what i think i am is 1

    so just to explain to hopefully make sure this makes sense

    I am the Party role. I choose 3 people to throw a party with once every three nights. I get back a result indicating if there were no baddies, or if some/all of the people were baddies. There is no indication what side, just that they aren't village. In my experience, the Party role usually works in that the user is given back a result: either mafia or village. A "village" result is triggered if all players in the party are village. A "mafia" result is triggered if any of the users are not aligned with the village. Given my results and what I've gotten back, it seems to me that I'm insane, so the opposite of what I'm given. I can't confirm but that's how I'm interpreting the results.
     
  36. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    On iPad atm but when I get on my computer tomorrow dopog had better update the first post with flips and links too because I'm getting tired of searching through his posts for every flip I don't remember

    wind it only makes sense that Marc shared the king result with jal land he used it as a safe non hater or hacker sounding fake claim granted ms used his real role name iirc and I don't know bw at all or the flavor so maybe if I feel like it I'll look it up but I really can't be assed to search the thread for who flipped which scumteam again

    jal is scum but idea about the role. It sounds like one of those things on the mafiascum wiki and in the smogon game archive where the claim is made to be so absurd it's believable read: flying rainbow pop tart kitty or something since it just doesn't work as a scum role

    One nightkill means one scumteam left assuming the flips are even and if 2 scum left it makes sense why jal wasn't quick hammered and why I haven't been quick hammered yet since both hop and jal are on me. Jal attempting a mislynch on Hopkins looks legit but no idea why he would try to bus if a scumteam and suspicion on me so jal probably is the last scum and if not whoever'is alive will deal

    Todd , Im freaking out and I want to look at alignment flips now but I want an updated first post now because Fuk bad ISO system
     
  37. Marquis

    Marquis beez in the whazzit??

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    Autocorrect you are horriblehorrible
     
  38. Windblown

    Windblown sable knight

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    dopog said neither scumteam has been eliminated and we've seen two so far, so yeah

    Metal claimed Concierge when he claimed, but he was really Pixel

    Laurel/Zoro flipped Hater, Metal/Marc flipped Hacker

    and yeah insane party inspector is still really fucked up
     
  39. Hopkirk

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    Vote Jalmont

    Both are probably scum so this hammer will be on scum i guess. (Although wind's stuff moved seb down a little, i want to see what flip happens here.)
     
  40. Hopkirk

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    Vote jalmont