[Retired] [Non-Peak] Trust

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  1. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    You have a point. Consider it done.

    Edit --------------------------------------------
    Raised the theme to 30 players and removed the "nonpeak": true.
     
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2014
  2. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Hi guys sorry if i am a little late to notice that Trust has been disabled but i had and still have problem to connect from mine pc until tomorrow.
    Anyway i need some help to resolve some of the problems, mainly the grammar one.
    The problem (1) will be solved when i will update the theme tomorrow so there is no need for help there.
    The problem (2) is the one where i will need more help, so if a good samaritan could help me and check the messages of the new roles, i would be really grateful. I am horrible with grammar.

    About the problem (3), i am not sure about it but it seems that people seems to think that the theme is no more trust there so i would like some critique but at the same time i wanna say a couple of things to defend my theme there.
    A) I actually wanted to make the rise of trust on 40 players slower, so to test if the speed of theme stays good maintaining the non-peak: true, command so to not permit the theme to stay active even when there are too much people to play my theme, but sadly some day later an update on the server doesn't permit the non-peak: true, to work when a theme permits more then 13 players on it, so i needed to speed up the process.
    B) The lackey has only 3 votes true, but their purpose is simply that to support dictator during the vote phase, where a 3 vote power is more then enough for this purpose because Dictator cannot get a -999 voteshield or be unable to became a leader unlesa he is still a greedy villager. I created Influencial Follower and Lackey because i wanted to make a bad team where there is a point man (dictator) that became more powerful when supported by his team, which in my opinion Lackey and Follower can do it perfectly. In the end because of Dictator's ability his vote greatly matter.
    C) One of the main point of the theme is exactly the control of the vote phase, this is why there are so much different vote modifier, which actually are only 4 types: Lackey and Good guy 3 votes, rich guy -99 votes, roles boycotted by boycotters, and the single use of the influencial follower's ability that gives to his target a positive voteshield of +9999 to make dictator or another target be voted for sure.
    D) Even if with haste i tried the more possible to let the theme stays true to his nature.
    First of all? the point that the villagers and the millers are more important then any Power Role, because they are the only village roles that can became leaders without drawbacks and even be able to get an empowerement sometimes, like it appens for Fearless villager.
    Second: to maintain the difficulty for the village to connect, i have always given a great amount of villagers and millers. The prs cannot claim safely because they have some drawback to became leaders and get immunity, like Rich Guy that if became leader, they will loses all their powers at the end of the night and be unable to became a leader a second time. And if this is not enough, sniper, poisoner and influencial follower are there to make this PR think twice before to want to became a leader.
    Third: Judge, Fearless villager, Poisoner and Fugitive are there to speed up the game with their kills that needs to accomplish some conditions to use them, so to make the game shorter without to worry about empowering too much a team.
    This is what i took on my mind when i expanded this theme trying to maintain the flavour and gameplay of when it was non-peak, So if you still have doubts about it, i am ready to hear it. But personally the only thing that worries me is the balance of the theme , which i am unable to discover it if it's not played when there are more then 13 players.
     
  3. Veteran Padgett

    Veteran Padgett TFT Main Developer Developer

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    I've noticed lately that Trust games have been going on for unnecessarily long amounts of time due to village not deciding on a leader.

    Log of a 6 player Trust game that lasted until Night 12.
    (00:34:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:34:18) Times Up! :
    (00:34:18) The Roles have been Decided! :
    (00:34:18) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:34:18) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:34:18) ±Time: Night 1
    (00:34:18) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! :
    (00:34:18) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:34:22) Honey Senpai: vilkt
    (00:34:24) ±Dratini: The Mastery was muted by S​trudels for 2 hours! [Reason: Inappropriate] [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (00:34:27) Honey Senpai: villy*
    (00:34:33) allstarrider: villy manily here
    (00:34:38) Honey Senpai: inb4 corrupted
    (00:34:39) pokemanz2000: ./illy power ingage shape of an eagle!
    (00:34:43) Miley.Cyrus.: vote me
    (00:34:47) Miley.Cyrus.: so i'll stop twerking
    (00:34:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:34:57) Times Up! :
    (00:34:57) No one died! :
    (00:34:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:34:57) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:34:57) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:34:57) ±Time: Day 1
    (00:34:57) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:34:57) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:35:00) Miley.Cyrus.: and the fact that we could've won that all
    (00:35:03) Miley.Cyrus.: but you did THIS
    (00:35:03) Miley.Cyrus.: (22:31:46) ±Game: allstarrider voted for allstarrider!
    (00:35:08) Xenon: I am the villay
    (00:35:19) pokemanz2000: im a villy too villy bros
    (00:35:24) allstarrider: i didnt read every vote
    (00:35:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:35:27) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:35:27) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:35:27) ±Time: Day 1
    (00:35:27) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:35:27) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:35:28) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:35:32) Honey Senpai: bs
    (00:35:38) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:35:43) Micaiah: please dont botquote
    (00:35:47) Micaiah: Even if it was
    (00:35:49) Veteran Padgett: Miley.Cyrus. try pming an MA
    (00:35:49) Micaiah: from previous game
    (00:35:51) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:35:51) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:35:57) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Miley.Cyrus. as leader.
    (00:35:57) Honey Senpai: No
    (00:36:00) Xenon: but padgett
    (00:36:02) Xenon: .-.
    (00:36:04) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Miley.Cyrus. as leader.
    (00:36:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:36:05) Times Up! :
    (00:36:05) No one was voted off!:
    (00:36:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:36:05) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:36:05) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:36:05) ±Time: Night 2
    (00:36:05) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:36:05) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:36:05) Honey Senpai: im corrupt
    (00:36:06) Miley.Cyrus.: but padgett
    (00:36:09) BlackStar44: 3 way tie
    (00:36:13) Honey Senpai: thank Jesus
    (00:36:14) Miley.Cyrus.: i pmed crobutt
    (00:36:15) allstarrider: damn
    (00:36:24) Veteran Padgett: maybe he's busy
    (00:36:34) Honey Senpai: pm aei
    (00:36:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:36:34) Times Up! :
    (00:36:34) No one died! :
    (00:36:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:36:34) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:36:34) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:36:35) ±Time: Day 2
    (00:36:35) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:36:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:36:45) Honey Senpai: or wind
    (00:37:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:37:04) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:37:04) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:37:04) ±Time: Day 2
    (00:37:04) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:37:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:37:05) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Xenon as leader.
    (00:37:08) Xenon: ...
    (00:37:09) allstarrider: i didnt read all the votes i messed up i admit it
    (00:37:09) Xenon: who was that
    (00:37:09) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:37:12) pokemanz2000: or tacokinggrande (its fake if you dont know just saying)
    (00:37:15) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Miley.Cyrus. as leader.
    (00:37:17) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:37:19) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of pokemanz2000 as leader.
    (00:37:24) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of pokemanz2000 as leader.
    (00:37:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:37:24) Times Up! :
    (00:37:24) No one was voted off!:
    (00:37:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:37:24) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:37:25) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:37:25) ±Time: Night 3
    (00:37:25) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:37:25) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:37:28) Miley.Cyrus.: who doesnt love trust
    (00:37:29) BlackStar44: wow guys
    (00:37:32) Honey Senpai: bs
    (00:37:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:37:54) Times Up! :
    (00:37:54) No one died! :
    (00:37:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:37:54) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:37:54) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:37:54) ±Time: Day 3
    (00:37:54) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:37:54) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:37:55) Miley.Cyrus.: imma do some homework while this goes down
    (00:37:56) pokemanz2000: im a villager i promise
    (00:38:07) ±Dratini: ikhwan2 was muted by B​almung for 1 hour! [Reason: inappropriate] [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (00:38:17) Xenon: Pretty sure
    (00:38:17) allstarrider: poke is bad is he wants to be voted
    (00:38:19) Xenon: I know the mafia
    (00:38:22) Xenon: vote me? :3
    (00:38:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:38:24) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:38:24) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:38:24) ±Time: Day 3
    (00:38:24) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:38:24) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:38:26) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of BlackStar44 as leader.
    (00:38:29) Xenon: I tied last time because prob boycotted
    (00:38:32) Diamondslight won against TraceOfLife.
    (00:38:32) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of pokemanz2000 as leader.
    (00:38:33) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:38:40) Xenon: okay nevermind
    (00:38:41) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:38:41) Crobat: flash me when this game is over please
    (00:38:45) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:38:45) BlackStar44: votw someone
    (00:38:47) BlackStar44: pls
    (00:38:52) Miley.Cyrus.: inb4 sabbed
    (00:38:52) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of pokemanz2000 as leader.
    (00:38:52) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:38:52) Times Up! :
    (00:38:52) ±Game: allstarrider has been chosen as leader of the village tonight.
    (00:38:52) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:38:52) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:38:52) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:38:52) ±Time: Night 4
    (00:38:52) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:38:52) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:38:56) BlackStar44: ok
    (00:38:57) Honey Senpai: lol
    (00:39:01) pokemanz2000: yay
    (00:39:15) Honey Senpai: chose carefully All
    (00:39:17) Miley.Cyrus.: inb4 he doesnt kill
    (00:39:20) Honey Senpai: ^
    (00:39:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:39:22) Times Up! :
    (00:39:22) ±Game: allstarrider's mandate has ended and they returned to their old role.
    (00:39:22) No one died! :
    (00:39:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:39:22) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:39:22) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:39:22) ±Time: Day 4
    (00:39:22) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:39:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:39:25) BlackStar44: lol
    (00:39:27) allstarrider: damn it
    (00:39:27) BlackStar44: omg
    (00:39:29) Miley.Cyrus.: called it
    (00:39:32) Xenon: the command is /justice
    (00:39:33) Xenon: btw
    (00:39:38) allstarrider: i was reading pms
    (00:39:41) Micaiah changed names and is now known as Carly Rae Jepsen.
    (00:39:43) Miley.Cyrus.: pms?
    (00:39:43) Honey Senpai: he might be corrupted
    (00:39:44) Miley.Cyrus.: lol
    (00:39:44) Carly Rae Jepsen changed names and is now known as Carly Rag]e Jepsen.
    (00:39:48) Honey Senpai: now
    (00:39:49) Carly Rag]e Jepsen changed names and is now known as Carly Rage Jepsen.
    (00:39:52) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:39:52) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:39:52) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:39:52) ±Time: Day 4
    (00:39:52) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:39:52) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:39:54) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of BlackStar44 as leader.
    (00:39:55) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of pokemanz2000 as leader.
    (00:39:58) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:40:00) BlackStar44: i think i am
    (00:40:00) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Miley.Cyrus. as leader.
    (00:40:01) Miley.Cyrus.: lets go
    (00:40:07) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Miley.Cyrus. as leader.
    (00:40:16) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of pokemanz2000 as leader.
    (00:40:16) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:40:16) Times Up! :
    (00:40:16) No one was voted off!:
    (00:40:16) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:40:16) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:40:16) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:40:16) ±Time: Night 5
    (00:40:16) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:40:16) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:40:17) Miley.Cyrus.: inb4 sabbed
    (00:40:17) BlackStar44: twerk it out
    (00:40:18) Miley.Cyrus.: wow
    (00:40:20) BlackStar44: or not
    (00:40:25) Miley.Cyrus.: welcome to n5
    (00:40:26) Miley.Cyrus.: progess
    (00:40:28) Miley.Cyrus.: progress
    (00:40:30) Miley.Cyrus.: we've done shit
    (00:40:34) pokemanz2000: yeah
    (00:40:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:40:46) Times Up! :
    (00:40:46) No one died! :
    (00:40:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:40:46) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:40:46) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:40:46) ±Time: Day 5
    (00:40:46) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:40:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:40:47) Honey Senpai: Stop tying
    (00:40:52) BlackStar44: 5 nights
    (00:40:56) BlackStar44: nothing to show
    (00:41:17) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:41:17) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:41:17) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:41:17) ±Time: Day 5
    (00:41:17) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:41:17) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:41:17) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:41:17) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:41:22) BlackStar44: hmm
    (00:41:24) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:41:26) Honey Senpai: eg
    (00:41:29) Honey Senpai: bye
    (00:41:30) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:41:36) Honey Senpai: wow
    (00:41:38) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:41:39) Honey Senpai: hate
    (00:41:41) Miley.Cyrus.: we love you
    (00:41:43) Honey Senpai: im corrupt
    (00:41:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:41:46) Times Up! :
    (00:41:46) ±Game: Honey Senpai has been chosen as leader of the village tonight.
    (00:41:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:41:46) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:41:46) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider, pokemanz2000.
    (00:41:46) ±Time: Night 6
    (00:41:46) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:41:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:41:50) BlackStar44: yay
    (00:41:51) Honey Senpai: oh
    (00:41:57) BlackStar44: pls kill someone
    (00:41:59) Miley.Cyrus.: i believe in you hunnie
    (00:42:03) allstarrider: ./kill blackstar44
    (00:42:06) Xenon: ...
    (00:42:09) BlackStar44: justice
    (00:42:16) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:42:16) Times Up! :
    (00:42:16) ±Incubator: pokemanz2000 (Villager) has been assassinated.
    (00:42:16) ±Game: Honey Senpai's mandate has ended and they returned to their old role.
    (00:42:16) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:42:16) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:42:16) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider.
    (00:42:16) ±Time: Day 6
    (00:42:16) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:42:16) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:42:22) Honey Senpai: gdi
    (00:42:27) Honey Senpai: i fsul
    (00:42:31) Honey Senpai: fail
    (00:42:33) Miley.Cyrus.: now honey is probably sabbed
    (00:42:34) Miley.Cyrus.: so
    (00:42:38) BlackStar44: allstarrider looks pretty scummy
    (00:42:39) Honey Senpai: yea
    (00:42:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:42:46) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:42:46) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider.
    (00:42:46) ±Time: Day 6
    (00:42:46) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:42:46) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:42:47) Honey Senpai: hmm
    (00:42:50) Xenon: Vote me please ?
    (00:42:52) Miley.Cyrus.: holy shit
    (00:42:53) Xenon: I am pretty sure of mafia.
    (00:42:55) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:42:55) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:43:00) Miley.Cyrus.: the wind is too strong
    (00:43:01) BlackStar44: trust the honey
    (00:43:06) Xenon: Or selfvotes can continue ._.
    (00:43:07) Honey Senpai: im scared
    (00:43:10) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:43:12) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:43:18) BlackStar44: you cant be corrupted
    (00:43:19) Miley.Cyrus.: can we just stop tying lmao
    (00:43:19) Honey Senpai: No
    (00:43:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:43:19) Times Up! :
    (00:43:19) No one was voted off!:
    (00:43:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:43:19) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:43:19) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider.
    (00:43:20) ±Time: Night 7
    (00:43:20) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:43:20) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:43:25) Xenon: Saboteur can corrupt leaders
    (00:43:28) BlackStar44: now you can
    (00:43:32) Honey Senpai: ok
    (00:43:35) BlackStar44: wait since when?
    (00:43:35) Miley.Cyrus.: yeah sab can corrupt leaders
    (00:43:41) Miley.Cyrus.: since it wasnt boycotter
    (00:43:46) Honey Senpai: ^
    (00:43:49) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:43:49) Times Up! :
    (00:43:49) No one died! :
    (00:43:49) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:43:49) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:43:49) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider.
    (00:43:49) ±Time: Day 7
    (00:43:50) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:43:50) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:44:17) Xenon: ...
    (00:44:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:44:19) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:44:19) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider.
    (00:44:19) ±Time: Day 7
    (00:44:19) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:44:19) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:44:20) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:44:23) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Xenon as leader.
    (00:44:23) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:44:23) Xenon: Stop.
    (00:44:26) Miley.Cyrus.: lmfao
    (00:44:31) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:44:34) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Xenon as leader.
    (00:44:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:44:34) Times Up! :
    (00:44:34) No one was voted off!:
    (00:44:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:44:35) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:44:35) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider.
    (00:44:35) ±Time: Night 8
    (00:44:35) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:44:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:44:35) Honey Senpai: #YOLO
    (00:44:38) Miley.Cyrus.: oml
    (00:44:40) Honey Senpai: OMFG
    (00:44:43) ±Dratini: [dhk]puro osso was mysteriously kicked by B​almung!
    (00:44:45) BlackStar44: this is never gonna end
    (00:44:53) Honey Senpai: its already n8
    (00:45:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:45:04) Times Up! :
    (00:45:04) No one died! :
    (00:45:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:45:04) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:45:04) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider.
    (00:45:04) ±Time: Day 8
    (00:45:04) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:45:04) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:45:06) ±Dratini: [DHK]puro osso was muted by H​annah for 1 hour! [Reason: Rule 5] [Channel: Tohjo Falls]
    (00:45:16) Xenon: Who voted for me ?
    (00:45:17) Honey Senpai: its atleast we all die or something
    (00:45:22) BlackStar44: i did
    (00:45:28) Veteran Padgett: please choose a leader today
    (00:45:29) Miley.Cyrus.: sab
    (00:45:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:45:34) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:45:34) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider.
    (00:45:34) ±Time: Day 8
    (00:45:34) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:45:34) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:45:35) Miley.Cyrus.: can you corrupt yourself please
    (00:45:37) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of BlackStar44 as leader.
    (00:45:39) Xenon: I want to elect allstar.
    (00:45:41) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:45:41) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:45:42) BlackStar44: lol
    (00:45:47) Xenon: Certainly villy
    (00:45:47) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of BlackStar44 as leader.
    (00:45:49) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of allstarrider as leader.
    (00:45:49) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:45:49) Times Up! :
    (00:45:49) ±Game: BlackStar44 has been chosen as leader of the village tonight.
    (00:45:49) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:45:49) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager, Villager, Villager.
    (00:45:49) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus., Xenon, allstarrider.
    (00:45:49) ±Time: Night 9
    (00:45:49) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:45:50) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:45:54) BlackStar44: what?
    (00:45:55) Xenon: Or blocked
    (00:45:55) Xenon: :/
    (00:45:57) allstarrider: were done
    (00:45:58) Miley.Cyrus.: did sab seriously use block?
    (00:46:05) Honey Senpai: black = ded
    (00:46:18) BlackStar44: i believe Honey Senpai
    (00:46:20) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:46:20) Times Up! :
    (00:46:20) ±Incubator: allstarrider (Villager) has been assassinated.
    (00:46:20) ±Incubator: Xenon (Villager) has been assassinated.
    (00:46:20) ±Game: BlackStar44's mandate has ended and they returned to their old role.
    (00:46:20) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:46:20) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager.
    (00:46:20) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus..
    (00:46:20) ±Time: Day 9
    (00:46:20) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:46:20) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:46:22) ±Dratini: [PKRZ] Chaos Black was mysteriously kicked by S​trudels!
    (00:46:30) Honey Senpai: hello sinner
    (00:46:33) BlackStar44: um
    (00:46:35) Miley.Cyrus.: uh
    (00:46:40) Miley.Cyrus.: well
    (00:46:48) Miley.Cyrus.: thats more progress then we've made in the past 5 days
    (00:46:50) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:46:50) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager.
    (00:46:50) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus..
    (00:46:50) ±Time: Day 9
    (00:46:50) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:46:50) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:46:52) Honey Senpai: yea
    (00:46:57) BlackStar44: in the past 9 days
    (00:47:04) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of BlackStar44 as leader.
    (00:47:08) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Miley.Cyrus. as leader.
    (00:47:10) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:47:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:47:11) Times Up! :
    (00:47:11) No one was voted off!:
    (00:47:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:47:11) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager.
    (00:47:11) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus..
    (00:47:11) ±Time: Night 10
    (00:47:11) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:47:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:47:13) Miley.Cyrus.: okay
    (00:47:16) BlackStar44: the trust
    (00:47:18) Miley.Cyrus.: double digits babbyyy
    (00:47:30) Honey Senpai: sinner kill saboteur
    (00:47:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:47:40) Times Up! :
    (00:47:40) No one died! :
    (00:47:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:47:40) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager.
    (00:47:40) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus..
    (00:47:40) ±Time: Day 10
    (00:47:40) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:47:40) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:47:41) Miley.Cyrus.: sinner only gets one kill
    (00:47:46) Miley.Cyrus.: in the true nonpeak
    (00:47:47) Honey Senpai: well
    (00:47:55) BlackStar44: so sabo wins
    (00:48:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:48:10) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner, Villager.
    (00:48:10) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Honey Senpai, Miley.Cyrus..
    (00:48:10) ±Time: Day 10
    (00:48:10) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:48:10) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:48:12) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:48:15) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Honey Senpai as leader.
    (00:48:18) BlackStar44: bye Honey Senpai
    (00:48:21) Honey Senpai: bye
    (00:48:22) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Miley.Cyrus. as leader.
    (00:48:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:48:22) Times Up! :
    (00:48:22) ±Incubator: 'Oops! Some bureaucratic error happened and Honey Senpai (Villager) was transported to a forced-labour camp!
    (00:48:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:48:22) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner.
    (00:48:22) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Miley.Cyrus..
    (00:48:22) ±Time: Night 11
    (00:48:22) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:48:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:48:27) Miley.Cyrus.: why'd you selfvote
    (00:48:27) Miley.Cyrus.: hello
    (00:48:38) BlackStar44: fool
    (00:48:52) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:48:52) Times Up! :
    (00:48:52) No one died! :
    (00:48:52) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:48:52) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner.
    (00:48:52) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Miley.Cyrus..
    (00:48:52) ±Time: Day 11
    (00:48:52) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (00:48:53) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:49:17) Miley.Cyrus.: i so should've won
    (00:49:18) Miley.Cyrus.: lmfao
    (00:49:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:49:22) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner.
    (00:49:22) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Miley.Cyrus..
    (00:49:22) ±Time: Day 11
    (00:49:22) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:49:22) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:49:25) BlackStar44: if you say so
    (00:49:30) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of BlackStar44 as leader.
    (00:49:35) ±Game: A hand was raised in favor of Miley.Cyrus. as leader.
    (00:49:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:49:35) Times Up! :
    (00:49:35) ±Game: BlackStar44 has been chosen as leader of the village tonight.
    (00:49:35) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:49:35) ±Current Roles: Saboteur, Sinner.
    (00:49:35) ±Current Players: BlackStar44, Miley.Cyrus..
    (00:49:36) ±Time: Night 12
    (00:49:36) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (00:49:36) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:49:38) Miley.Cyrus.: i can dream harold
    (00:49:53) BlackStar44: we live in sin
    (00:50:05) Crobat: why the hell did this game take 12 nights
    (00:50:06) ***************************************************************************************
    (00:50:06) Times Up! :
    (00:50:06) ±Incubator: Miley.Cyrus. (Sinner) has been assassinated.
    (00:50:06) ±Game: BlackStar44's mandate has ended and they returned to their old role.
    (00:50:06) ±Incubator: Trust is for toddlers. Everyone is ready to trick and betray us. BlackStar44 can prove it.
    (00:50:06) ***************************************************************************************

    No one even died until Night 6.
    allstarrider had a chance to kill on Night 4, but I'm guessing because they are new they had to figure out that the command was /justice.

    Suggestions:
    a) Change the 1x kill of the Sinner to be a kill with recharge. Sinner will still only have 1 or maybe 2 kills if the game goes at a normal pace. As it is, the sinner just saves their only kill until the end. This will also encourage village to vote each day instead of waiting.
    b) Set a time limit on small games by poisoning all the villagers. Just an idea. I prefer the first one though.
    c) Think of some other way to make Trust games go faster so that people don't have to wait so long for the next game.
     
  4. Syl~

    Syl~ Mostly Xenon

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    The problem with the above game is that two of them were definitely new, and one was possibly new, and they (allstarrider and pokemanz2000) were two of the villagers which I was certain were town. So when I tried asking them for help in order to take out the saboteur/mafia (who I was sure of around n3), they weren't much help. I tied a lot of the votes to prevent mafia/boycotted people/saboteur from getting elected which also added to the stalling.

    My PMs to allstarrider:

    (00:39) Xenon: Hey. Pretty sure you are villy.
    (00:39) Xenon: I am mostly certain BlackStar44 is mafia
    (00:39) Xenon: or saboteur
    (00:39) Xenon: And the other is probably Miley Cyrus. Explaining who I thought was saboteur/mafia and why.
    (00:40) Xenon: the reason I say this
    (00:40) Xenon: blackstar44 is neither talking or voting himself
    (00:40) Xenon: so probably saboteur
    (00:40) allstarrider: vote me
    (00:40) Xenon: it tied I voted him at this point but it tied.
    (00:40) allstarrider: ill get it this time
    (00:40) Xenon: and miley cyrus is likely sinner
    (00:40) Xenon: I know me and you are villy
    (00:40) Xenon: Pretty sure pokemanz2000 is villy
    (00:40) Xenon: because he is new and promised
    (00:42) Xenon: He might kill me. Referring to Honey Senpai here, right when he got elected n6. I thought Honey would kill me since I was a bit quiet.
    (00:42) Xenon: That is my theory though Referring to what I told allstarrider above.
    (00:42) Xenon: ugh
    (00:42) Xenon: he killed my confirmed villy Talking about pokemanz2000's death.
    (00:43) allstarrider: i see what u saying
    (00:43) Xenon: Out of the 3 remaining
    (00:43) Xenon: Pretty sure blackstar is still sabo
    (00:44) Xenon: and miley cyrus still sinner
    (00:44) Xenon: but Honey senpai is scummy too.
    (00:44) Xenon: I only want to vote you or me
    (00:44) Xenon: Who did you vote?
    (00:44) allstarrider: me
    (00:44) Xenon: Should have voted me :/ Not sure if he should have or not, but this was when the vote tied again, 2 for me and 2 for someone else.
    (00:44) Xenon: Honey Senpai keeps selfvoting because he is retarded
    (00:45) Xenon: And BlackStar votes him because he is boycotted This was really obvious to me and what was actually happening. Hope my lack of more polite words can be forgiven, I was a bit irritated.
    (00:45) Xenon: Pretty sure Miley voted me.
    (00:45) allstarrider: vote me this round and ill get blackstar
    (00:45) Xenon: Nevermind Miley said he didn't vote me, it was blackstar.
    (00:45) Xenon: Okay. Agreeing to vote allstarrider here.
    (00:46) Xenon: Village is so stupid
    (00:46) Xenon: this game Pretty sure this was when me and him got double killed.

    My PMs to pokemanz2000:
    (00:41) Xenon: Hey man.
    (00:41) Xenon: I am pretty sure you are villy.
    (00:41) pokemanz2000: sup
    (00:41) Xenon: BlackSTar44 is likely saboteur
    (00:41) Xenon: And Miley Cyrus sinner
    (00:41) pokemanz2000: i am you ????
    (00:41) Xenon: imo
    (00:41) Xenon: Vote allstarrider?
    (00:41) Xenon: unless you've voted already
    (00:41) pokemanz2000: ive already voted
    (00:41) Xenon: agh.
    (00:42) pokemanz2000: sorry dude
    (00:42) Xenon: He might kill me Referring to Honey Senpai n6.
    (00:42) Xenon: ww.
    (00:42) Xenon: wow.
    (00:42) Xenon: rip Surprised he killed pokemanz.
    (00:42) pokemanz2000: gg son


    I wouldn't mind incentive to vote or anything that Padgett mentioned above, but honestly the reason this particular game took so long was because the other three villagers were just tossing their votes around without thinking, and me wanting to win the game (I voted to tie to prevent mafia/boycotted villagers/saboteur from getting elected). For example, allstarrider selfvoting almost the entire game, and Honey Senpai selfvoting almost the entire latter half of the game.

    I would definitely increase the length of daytime. And for incentive to vote correctly in small games, maybe do something like sinner gets an additional kill every time a leader is not elected past n2, or entire village is poisoned.
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2014
  5. Veteran Padgett

    Veteran Padgett TFT Main Developer Developer

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    Yes, this game was made worse by new players, but this isn't the first time I have seen Trust games go on for long amounts of time. Also, I don't see how increasing the daytime would help.
     
  6. -Mike-

    -Mike- hi

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    (09:50:13) ±Game: You modified your target's data
    (09:50:13) ±Game: Your target (Batman) couldn't be cursed!

    For whatever action I do by boycotter, it says I modified the data but the player couldnt be cursed. The corrupt or Block works but that message seems odd there. Shouldnt it be Batman was cursed or something?
     
  7. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    Actually at the begin Sinner had Recharge instead of only charge but it was too much for smaller games. But now that it doesn't happear before of 5 players i guess that we can retry it again.

    Boycotter has "failCursemsg": "", if i remember that doesn't permi to receive any fail messages about curses, are you sure you weren't Saboteur?
     
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  8. -Mike-

    -Mike- hi

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    I was not Sabo, was BC.
     
  9. Shazan

    Shazan Obey to Kyubey

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    ok i have found out the problem. I added the "cursefailmsg":"", into the peak version of trust but i forgot to add it into the nonPeak version.
     
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