[BW2] Genesect's new moves

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  1. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    As most of you know now, Genesect has recently been given the event moves Shift Gear, Extremespeed and Blaze Kick. The only proviso: it must have a Hasty nature if using those moves (I think it also has to be shiny too, but don't quote me on that). Discuss:

    Possible sets that could utilise these moves
    What effect you think this will have on Genesect's usage (if any)

    A few sets I though of:

    Physical Shift Gear
    Genesect @ Life Orb
    Trait: Download
    Hasty Nature (+Spd -Def)
    EV: 126 HP, 252 Atk, 130 Spd
    Shift Gear
    Iron Head
    X-Scissor
    Blaze Kick

    Mixed Shift Gear
    Genesect @ Life Orb
    Trait: Download
    Hasty Nature (+Spd -Def)
    EV: 252 Atk, 126 SAtk, 130 Spd OR 126 Atk, 252 SAtk, 130 Spd
    Shift Gear
    X-Scissor
    Ice Beam
    Thunderbolt/Flamethrower/Blaze Kick

    Choice Band
    Genesect @ Choice Band
    Trait: Download
    Hasty Nature (+Spd -Def)
    EV: 32 HP, 252 Atk, 224 Spd
    U-Turn
    Iron Head
    Extremespeed
    Blaze Kick
     
  2. phucvn

    phucvn Cheap player

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    it's too bad it has to be hasty though, but i think it's a decent nature on it. Anyway, according to this:

    +2 252 Atk Life Orb Genesect Iron Head vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina-O: 231-273 (45.92 - 54.27%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
    Yeah, if Sex has 1 SG and one Download, he'll do a ton for sure, with even Lugia suffering the same fate. At +2, there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT CAN OUTRUN HIM, and since his typing gives nice resistance to ESpeed, he can take out half an Uber team with ease.
    The mixed set can pull off some surprise kills and let him get pass groudon with +1, but I havent thought of anything else for using it.
    The Choice Band is slower, but has better coverage, so I think it's really cool to see something like a +1 Banded ExtremeSpeed that isn't delivered by Arceus

    Overall, PACK YOUR HEATRAN PEOPLE CUZ GENESEX IS COMING TO TOWN !!!!!!!!!!
     
  3. Virizion

    Virizion ~ Taste the Rainbow ~

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    Shift Gear is going to be interesting on a Genesect, as long as it can set-up, and obviously outclasses Rock Polish with that nice attack boost!
    ExtremeSpeed looks ridiculously common; Choice Band, 80 Base Power, Download, FIRE.
    Blaze Kick? It may have a nice-effect of critical hits and burns, but the power and accuracy lets me down.
     
  4. Blitzamirin

    Blitzamirin Waluigi! Number one!

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    Why is there no Explosion mention? This has the ability to 2HKO (chance of OHKO with SR and Normal Gem) Forretress and Arceus-Steel at +2

    Everything else gets shitted on.
     
  5. mibuchiha

    mibuchiha Was yea ra chs ieeya.

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    I have had a few games with it and I found it to be terrible. Two big problems it suffers. First is the same problem why you never see Nasty Plot Deoxys-A, it can never find the time to boost. The problem is less apparent for Genesect, but the second problem makes the set even less viable. That is, the lack of good moves. The fact that it only manages 2HKO's things won't cut it for something as so frail and hates status as this. Giratina can WoW or phaze, Dialga can Twave, phaze or straight up maul it, ditto Lugia, ditto non-offensive Arceus with ok typing against it, Extremekiller can just get a SD and then OHKO with ExtremeSpeed if Genesect doesn't run it himself AND the Arceus is not the bulky variant...

    252Atk +2 Genesect (+Atk) Iron Head vs 4HP/0Def Multitype Arceus (Neutral): 60% - 71% (232 - 274 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252Atk +2 Genesect (+Atk) ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Multitype Arceus (Neutral): 40% - 47% (155 - 183 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.

    With some other moves to aid it (ideally Ice Punch and Close Combat) it might be good. As of now, I don't see how this is even half as good as the scarf set.
     
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    phucvn Cheap player

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    well practice>paper so I'll take your word for it.
     
  7. puregenius

    puregenius :<

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    With a band and a download boost is it x2 or x2.25?
     
  8. Msyu

    Msyu You don't qualify.

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    The calculation is multiplicative, so 1.5^2 = 2.25. With Choice Band, 252 Attack EVs on a Hasty nature would see ROUNDDOWN(339*1.5^2,0) = 762 Attack.
     
  9. Laurel

    Laurel Well-Known Member

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    I've played about 30 games in Ubers trying out Genesect's new moves, in addition to around 10 monotype battles, and 5 monogen battles. Overall, they aren't as good as I had expected. Sure it's cool that Genesect got some new moves, but they sadly aren't that helpful. Bar a dragon resist, there is no reason to use Espeed Genesect over Espeed Arceus. Furthermore, the Scarf Set does what all of these sets do but better. It grabs momentum, and outspeeds many threats so Genesect can kill things like Rayquaza with a powerful Ice Beam, or u-turn on a predicted switch to Kyogre. Sure Banded Iron Head is really strong, but it can't sweep anything. Forretress and Ferrothorn are on virtually every stall team, and vs offensive teams Genesect is too slow to pull off a band set. 99 Speed is pretty laughable in ubers, and the base 90s and 95s which it outspeeds, some Kyurem-W, Zekrom, Kyogre, and Reshiram, all can run scarf sets which kill Genesect. Furthermore, Genesects U-Turn is resist by other base 90's such as Dialga, Giratina, and Ho-Oh, making it even less effective.

    Overall, I think the coolest set is Shift Gear. Genesect gets plenty of opportunity to set up, as a majority of sets are Scarf, it is easy to come in on something, when you know your opponent is going to switch believing your genesect has Scarf and set up Shift Gear, and the opportunitys vs stall teams are endless. The problem with Shift Gear though is against Stall Genesect struggles to KO things, and against Offense, because of it's Hasty Nature, after Stealth Rocks, it is still 2 hit KOd by Arceus Extreme Speed. Here is a sample calculation.

    252+ Atk Life Orb Arceus-Normal ExtremeSpeed vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Genesect: 103-122 (36.39 - 43.1%) -- 82.42% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Spikes.

    Many offensive teams run Deo-S, and this really cripples Genesects effectiveness. Furthermore, it still can't touch Heatran, so this set faces the same problem as Rock Polish, if you're trying out Genesect in a tier other than Ubers, such as Monogen or Monotype.

    Furthermore, in the Rain, it's just Paralyzed by Ferrothorn, and it can only 3HKO Lugia with +2 Atk.

    +2 252 Atk Genesect Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 176+ Def Lugia: 156-184 (37.5 - 44.23%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    From the outside, Genesect's new tools seem cool, and they really are getting them this late in the meta. However, in less you are able to support it with Sun or Sand, and great hazard support to net it some key KOs. Genesect still struggles to find it's place with any of these sets. I think anyone is better off sticking with the Standard Choice Scarf one.

    Sorry if I sounded too rash.
     
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  10. -Manaphy--

    -Manaphy-- Overconsumption

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    I'm going to be completely honest here, I see little to no use for these new moves of Genesect. Extremespeed is unSTABed and is useless with Shift Gear/Choice Scarf, Shift Gear set can be hard to set up, easy to KO and pretty difficult to OHKO or 2HKO other Pokemon. I guess Blaze Kick might be of use on Scarf sets but you'll have to use a Hasty nature for that and it hurts you on Ferrothorn.
     
  11. faint

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    Genesect's new moves are awful and will not benefit him in the slightest.

    And Blitzamirin, did you really just mention a possible 2HKO with Explosion?
     
  12. Blitzamirin

    Blitzamirin Waluigi! Number one!

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    Yeah I did. It showed how potent it is even with the nerf... on something that resists. Imagine everything that doesn't.

    Not like it matters.