Bulbasaur, GO!

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  1. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    Hello there! Welcome to the world of Pokémon! My name is Oak! People call me the Pokémon Prof!

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    This world is inhabited by creatures called Pokémon! For some people, Pokémon are pets. Others use them for fights. Myself... I study Pokémon as a profession.

    First, what is your name?

    Right! So your name is Blue!

    This is my grand-son. He's been your rival since you were a baby. ...Erm, what is his name again? That's right! I remember now! His name is Red!

    Blue!

    Your very own Pokémon legend is about to unfold! A world of dreams and adventures with Pokémon awaits!

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    And as such, the new generation with Black and White won't be release with PO anytime soon. Even though we've got everything ready, we made that choice and are going to enjoy some competitive Red / Blue play.

    We are very aware that a lot of people enjoyed fifth gen thanks to PO, and hope you had fun and that the expectation will make you like Black and White. If you want to enjoy it right now, you just have to learn Japanese.

    Even then, if some of you are angry at me, or at Darkness, ask yourself, what right do you have to be angry at us? Especially if you liked what was given to you, then treasure it and take your anger somewhere else. This too is for you to be able to play it for several months longer even delayed, and I don't like doing things that would be frowned upon, especially to something like GameFreak, because I already played BW a bit with my modest knowledge of Japanese, and I enjoyed it ;).

    As some of you may already have guessed, the logic bomb thing was just a huge scam (you'll have to thank DN for this one) used to take back control of the 5th gen servers and clients. The day I started playing BW, I began having doubts, and the next day I talked about it with DN. DN also had concerns, even though for him it was on the legal side, and thought up that idea -- I just wanted to post an announcement that 5th gen was delayed ^^

    And so we carried on the project, especially with the number of people asking for it and a bit of rivalry with Pokémon Lab, but when we came to having a thing nearly ready for release, and after having satisfied the battlers for a few days, we felt no pressure any more and took that decision, which we believe is for the best.

    For all the people that actually contributed to fifth gen on PO and would have a right to be mad at me, I'm really sorry. All my points are above.

    And yes... This post might not feel right for some of your competitive spirits, but heh. Just think that you'll have the fun later. Now if you really hate me, try to track me down :cool:

    In the meantime, I will enjoy some good old Pokémon Blue as well as some Pokémon White.

    Cheers ~
    And don't mess too badly with the tiers please.

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  2. waterbottle

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    If you didn't want 5th gen cause of legal reasons, might as well announce that instead of lying to everyone and creating a pseudo logic bomb. It's important to trust the admins on here especially coming from those of us that have contributed work to you guys.

    Other than the lie I like your post.
     
  3. Darkness

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    Don't be angry at us. Just be a little bit more patient and things will turn out to be alright. And my sincere apologies for the logic bomb scam. I had to do it for some specific unavoidable circumstances. Thanks.
     
  4. jrrrrrrr

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    So basically, right after you get a bunch of people that actually care about your program, you abandon it? I know I only downloaded this program because it had gen 5 and what I thought were admins that cared about the community. I guess I was wrong on both counts. This has to be a joke. Nobody could be this petty.

    How can we host servers with gen 5 pokemon? I will be glad to help out in any way, because I genuinely appreciate this program and the time it took to make this happen. PM me if you want a hand.
     
  5. Darkness

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    We are doing what is best for all of you. You have to trust us. We just don't wish to release the Black and White version of Pokemon Online before the official US (English) release. And if you can't understand us or trust us with this then you can play something else. Nobody is stopping you.
     
  6. chepaexcuses

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    Can t wait for pokemon gold shame about black don't lie about logic bombs though everyone hates you now lololol
     
  7. locopoke

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    Why would you want to take Gen 5 away when everything was going so smoothly? People were enjoying playing it and it was practically finished. You put a lot of work into this and I don't see why you wouldn't want to see people playing your simulator. I know you've said before that you don't care about this, but PO's popularity would definitely increase, there were already almost more people on the Gen 5 server this weekend than there were on Pokemon Lab. If this is because of legal issues with Nintendo, I honestly don't think they would sue because of a simulator, they never have in the past. ROMs are one thing, but they generally don't care about simulators since it only simulates a small part of the game and not the entire game.

    I definitely don't like or agree with this decision, but whatever. Good work on programming Gen 5.
     
  8. Darkness

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    Doesn't matter. In the end, I know I made the right decision. So enjoy. :)
     
  9. chepaexcuses

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    Gf probally would have sued you anyway like they did to serebii so let's all be happy :)
     
  10. destinybond

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    This is exactly one of the reasons the decision was made. Remember what they did over simple pics and sprites?
     
  11. Hooker Punch

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    Now, I'm not going to comment on your decision--obviously, you made a choice, and you are sticking to it. I don't care.

    However, I will say that, from a business point of view, this is an extremely rash decision, and that you have given up the biggest advantage you had over Pokemon Lab.
     
  12. Weavile

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    Am I the only one that actually agrees with what you guys are doing. I think the taster was nice and that we should be thanking you. I say shame on all you ragers who stab at DN and Coyo for something they did for you :/
     
  13. locopoke

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    The only reason that Nintendo C&D'd because of the images was because they were from a ROM. Nintendo doesn't care about simulators since they only simulate a small part of the game and there is still a reason to buy the cartridges. If this is all because coyotte is afraid of getting C&D'd then might as well just cut the nonsense and put the server back up.
     
  14. Randfeon

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    Well, as long as we get a nice and working battle simulator eventually (in this case, after B/W are released in English), I'm kinda okay with it. It's sad to not be able to freely enjoy a completely fresh and new metagame, though.
    By the way, two things.

    1. About the incident involving websites getting sued for B/W information - there's a high chance such a thing only occurred because they were using Melkor's leaked sprites (or dare I say, magazine scans). There are tons of other websites out there with sprites, screenshot and everything else, but AFAIK they haven't been contacted by Nintendo yet... seeing how PO never used those badly ripped sprites, I don't think we were in any danger.
    2. Japanese, you say...? So, uh, does anyone know if there's any Japanese battle simulator out there?
     
  15. Slipperjeans

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    This.
     
  16. Firestorm

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    I interpret this thread as "Hey freeloaders, buy the game if you want your Pokemon fix" which I have absolutely no problem with. Also, neither Pokemon Laboratory nor Pokemon Online are businesses. Neither makes any level of money. I obviously can't speak for them, but I'm sure there's nothing but respect between the developers of both programs.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
     
  17. Sixonesix

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    I would think, seeing as how you guys actually tricked us into believing that there was a logic bomb, that trust obviously isn't that big of a deal to you.
     
  18. Weavile

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    Did you ever think of the reason they did this?
     
  19. kobo1d

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    Not mad.

    Just disappointed.
     
  20. waterbottle

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    I think if the reason was told from the first place we would have all understood better than now after the "logic bomb." It's not like this place is full of waddling penguins who can't comprehend what's happening.
     
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    How is this good for any of us? You basically just said "we know we're making a bad choice but nobody can stop us SO THERE". This has to be a troll. Can you explain why this is good for us?
     
  22. AJC

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    i really feel i need to point out that it's extremely unlikely for a C&D to happen to you guys

    they didn't C&D the first gen of sims they didn't C&D netbattle they didn't C&D Shoddy so what make you think you would stand out for it?
     
  23. Weavile

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    This is good because if a legal storm does happen no matter how unlikely we might well lose gen 5 stuff and thus have to wait longer for it than these 5-6 months.
     
  24. Hooker Punch

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    While I agree there is probably no animosity between the two programing teams, the fact is, is that, in the end, one of them is going to end up being fazing out the other. You could see this between Netbattle Supremacy and Shoddybattle, and Shoddybattle was on it's way out when Pokemon Online started up. By giving up the fifth gen in the way it was done, in addition to creating logic bombs to drop on your own system, lying about it, then saying at the end, "Hey, fuck you all! We're going to ignore all that progress we made and work on something completely different that no one will play anyways(which is the tone of coyote's post--sorry to break it to ya)". tl;dr, this PR nightmare, combined with the losing of the biggest advantage over Pokemon Lab means that coyote and DN are signing Pokemon Online's death warrant. Remember, smogonites are 93% of everyone who uses simulators.

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    So you are saying that this is good because if they get taken down, then we have to wait the same amount of time as we have to wait anyways?
     
  25. Stofil

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    My only problem with this was, as mentioned before, the... I wouldn't say lies as much as possibly misinformation. The reasoning is legit and we wouldn't want you guys sued over something like this, but it kinda felt like a lack of trust for the community I guess?
     
  26. Slipperjeans

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    How does the release of BW in USA makes this simulator more legal?
     
  27. waterbottle

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    Also a valid point, slipper
     
  28. Slipperjeans

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    Actually it was a question, but if the answer to that question is "it doesn't", then it becomes a point
     
  29. Weavile

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    Nah, We would have to wait for the US release to regain the info and any info implemented so far would have to be RE implemented therefore taking time again to add the stuff and mechanics etc.

    Also Slipper I think it is just that Nintendo don't want the B/W stuff to be leaked to US and Europe too early.
     
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    if you think that nintendo thinks that they your delirious they know in the internet age that they can not keep anything under wraps unless they don't publicly announce anything.
     
  31. Brongaa

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    @Hooker Punch

    Death warrant? I don't know about that, bro. It's not like PL has 5th gen ready and it's very likely they'll wait beyond US's release to release it. Right now they're focusing on pre-analyses :|. PO has 5th gen done as well, mind you.

    @Slipperjeans

    Serebii could've said the same thing.

    It's not like I'm saying I like this decision though. In fact, I'm really dissapointed, and the way coyotte did it put me off a bit too. I mean, why have all this testing, say that 5th gen is basically done, and that you only have to do 1 or 2 things to do before release, then just cut it off? It's a lot like LeBron James's decision; the decision itself is perfectly fine, but the execution was really bad :/.
     
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  32. Weavile

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    That made no sense at all "If you think that Nintendo thinks that they your delirious"

    Anyway, Nintendo did wan't to tell Japan this info as it was due for a release in game form soon. But US and EU have to wait for it.
    It was simple promotion in Japan.
    Anyway this is wandering off topic now.
     
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  33. waterbottle

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    Stating that question, slipper, was a point. A point doesn't have to be a statement. Complete digression, but I have nothing else to add to this topic.
     
  34. Sabeta

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    From my limited knowledge of the Legal Systems, Nintendo can't do jack-squat to you, neither can Game Freak for that matter. After all, Nintendo never gave Serebii the rights to resume using images. Serebii just figured out that; under Fair-Use, Nintendo couldn't do anything. So long as the source material is being used in a non-profitable use, and is serving some practical use (In this case, educational information on the 5th Generation Metagame analysis); then Nintendo cannot tell you to do things otherwise. Especially since PO doesn't impact profits in any way shape or size.

    If Nintendo had anything against these, they would be hard at works removing all the Youtube Videos, Suing Serebii, Suing Smogon, Taking down Pokelab, and Suing you guys here, right now, as well as GameFAQS, and any other sort of organization. So, with any and all Legal dilema's thoroughly debunked, what possible reason is there to take the server's down?

    (I'm not mad, ftr, just incredulous as to why such a decision was made, when there seems little to no reason at all for it. I was gathering data, and was interrupted in the middle of a battle >.>)
     
  35. Hooker Punch

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    But why would we lose all the progress we've already made? If Nintendo did do a C&D letter at this point, it's not like they could stop those of us who already have the client from deleting it. Then, come US release, we start up again.

    Another point: Serebii didn't get C&D'd for using ROM data or anything, he got C&D'd for using Melkor's leaked sprites the day before release.

    Analyses are not related Pokemon Lab at all, also, PR is a big part and this whole thing does not shine good on Pokemon Online, especially in the extremely rude manner it was done in.
     
  36. Weavile

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    They can force legally the runners and maker etc like Coyo to delete his gen 5 related stuff if he does the clients we have become useless as he will have to start over or we will be stuck with any bugs because he doesn't have that client stuff. (Sorry if that made no sense it did to me)

    Also "Its not like they could stop us from deleting it" Did you mean make us delete it this is what I assumed
     
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    Coyotte, I really enjoyed the simulator, and admired the effort that went into it.

    I hope you'll change your mind and open the server again; but if not, it's understandable. I really enjoyed playing Gen 5 on PO.
     
  38. coyotte508

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    Thanks.
     
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    At least I made Coyote ragequit my match with him before this happened.:cool:
     
  40. Bug Maniac Marc

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    Oh the little things a boycott could do for us
     
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