[BW2] The Decreasing Use of Spinners in Ubers

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Ubers' started by JustAGh0sT, Jun 10, 2013.

  1. JustAGh0sT

    JustAGh0sT New Member

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    I just played approximately 10 games on Pokemon Online's Wifi Ubers tier and i noticed none of the teams i played had spinners. I basically set up rocks with defensive arceus and spikes with deoxys-s and just phased them with Giratina Rest/Sleep Talk/Roar/Dragon Tail. And only maybe 2-3 of them had any hazards at all. I don't know what I'm missing. Is the ubers metagame just to fast paced for spinners and hazards, or are all the people that play pokemon online ubers just terrible at pokemon? I have hyper offense teams without spinners so i get not having one, but I don't get how common it is not to have a spinner. Just can someone explain this to me?
     
  2. Epikhairz

    Epikhairz Delta Stream

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    Eh, spinners aren't really that good in Ubers. Excadrill is probably the only viable spinner in the tier (I'm probably missing another spinner, so someone else fill me in if I am), and it works solely in Sandstorm, which is completely overshadowed by Sun and Rain. I just learn to live with the hazards or prevent them from getting set up at all by killing before they get the chance to set up. Like you said, it is a very fast paced tier, and you have to respond as such. (of course, when Lugia comes in and you're unprepared, the game comes to a screeching halt)
     
  3. puregenius

    puregenius :<

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    There is an explanation in ur question
    It's because the spin blockers are so damn bulky (gira, ghostceus), that spinning is near impossible
    If ur using a spinner, there's a good chance it is also doubling as an offensive cleaner (tops, exca) or a hazard setter (forre, tenta
     
  4. DSM01

    DSM01 Jammin' out

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    Sounds like you were playing pretty low on the ladder. How many Charizards did you encounter?

    I don't think spinners will ever go out of fashion in Ubers simply because of how prominent Spike stacking is. There's no doubt that Ubers has the best spinblockers of any tier (and no viable spinners that can easily spin), but that doesn't mean people will just give up and concede to having 2-3 layers of hazards on their side every game. Personally, I rarely run Rapid Spinners (though I'll use Xatu if I have a Ho-Oh) but I almost always have to have a Ghost due to how many spinners I see. It could be that so many teams are HO that no one needs to run a spinner, but if you have a balanced team with Pokes that are meant to stick around for a while you're going to want to clear your side of the field.
     
  5. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Also, usually teams run anti-leads to stop hazards getting up from Deoxys-S, the most common setter by far. Tyranitar always does well vs Deo, for example. And with the myriad of highly powered moves, added with the fact that it's very easy to see if the opponent is going to lead with a hazard setter (no-one ever runs anti-lead Deo-S ;_;) you should have something which can ensure the max amount of hazards set-up are SR and one level of Spikes.
     
  6. Somnus

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    You were probably just playing on the low ladder. Once you get higher, more and more teams carry spinners. Forretress, Excadrill, and Tentacruel are the most common. Spinners will always be in use because Deoxys-S and those spikers will always be used. And also because Ubers has great spin blockers in Giratina (And Giratina-O) and Arceus-Ghost. Theyre easy to spot imo.
     
  7. Rioku

    Rioku Not again.

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    I noticed no one even mentioned Kabutops, which is pretty much rain Excadrill when it comes to spinning. Spinners aren't really too slow for the metagame, its just that people have found other ways to block hazards in gen 5. Espeon is a semi-common hazard blocker, and there are many magic coat/ taunt users. But even with that said, spinners are still the most common way of removing hazards that I've seen. Any team with a Ho-oh should have a good spinner. Tentacruel, Kabutops, Excadrill, and Forretress are pretty much the best hazard blockers in ubers, and I personally think its sad that we don't have any better ones.
     
  8. Blimlax

    Blimlax A Silent and Serene Heart

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    Tentacruel / Kabutops / Excadrill / Forretress are the only viable spinners in ubers. As DSM01 already pointed out, spinners will never go "out of fashion" because Deo-S / spike stacking teams are so dominant in ubers that having a spinner of your own is almost necessary in order to compete with these teams. Each of these spinners are also all good individual pokemon so there's really not much reason to not use them on most of your teams. The whole "spinning is ubers is almost impossible thing" is also a myth, because forretress can toxic the ghost types and set up hazards on them, tentacruel does the same with toxic / toxic spikes, so basically you toxic them / weaken them with hazards to give yourself a chance at rapid spinning later in the game, althrough your opponent can predict this and not switch to their spinblocker, but thats where your prediction skills / experience comes in. Spinning is more difficult with excadrill / kabutops because they're going to have trouble getting past defensive variants of giratina, but both of them are pretty solid if arceus ghost is the spinblocker. Not to mention excadrill / kabutops also fill other roles on your team besides spinning, kabutops - late game cleaner / offensive sweeper [in drizzle only], excadrill - bulky pivot [in drizzle] or offensive sweeper + rapid spinner [on sand teams].

    Even for teams without spinners, I've seen stuff like Magic-Coat Gira-o being used along with other fast taunt leads such as thund-t / taunt deo to slow down hazards.
     
  9. Liarliarpantsonfire

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    Kabutops also happens to be a great check to Extremekiller Arceus as with Low Kick you OHKO after SR and a layer of Spikes. Same with Forretress as it can Toxic Arceus and Pain Split stall it. So spinners do have their use in Ubers.
     
  10. MewTheDestroyer

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    Issue with spinning in Ubers, is that really not to many Mons can spin effectively. With things like Giratina and Ghostceus, they wall many of the common spinnners, and prevent them from spinning.
     
  11. moonbase

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    Never Forget one of the greatest Anti-Leads in Ubers, Cloyster.

    Rapid Spin, Spikes, Shell Smash, and Iscicle Spear Should do the trick.
     
  12. twofivefive

    twofivefive don't call it a comeback

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    Giratina is really hard to spin against in general.

    I had a friend who ran Trick Claydol with Ring Target and did fairly well (on PS iirc) but that doesn't work as well as Tentacruel vs Ghost Arceus (can't trick Arceus plates).
     
  13. pokeboss9

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    Tentacruel is the best spinner in my opinion.

    Absorbs T-Spikes and can lay its own down, Rain Dish keeps its health high. Scald can burn, Ice Beam for coverage, Knock Off for Latitwins.

    The best way to get past the strong spinblockers is burn , freeze or poison them. They will have to switch or using rest which gives you a free turn

    The really problem with spinners is they are setup folder for certain pokes.


    Edit: I noticed an increase in usage of Arceus-Ghost lately.
     
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