[BW2] Wifi UU - Usage Statistics of April 2013

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  1. ThatIsWhatSheSaid

    ThatIsWhatSheSaid seasoned vet

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    March 2013 Stats

    Regular Stats
    # 1 - Heracross (18.20 %)

    # 2 - Chandelure (15.58 %)

    # 3 - Mienshao (14.68 %)

    # 4 - Snorlax (14.02 %)

    # 5 - Raikou (13.31 %)
    # 6 - Blastoise (12.74 %)
    # 7 - Umbreon (12.57 %)
    # 8 - Zapdos (11.05 %)
    # 9 - Victini (11.03 %)
    # 10 - Bronzong (10.64 %)
    # 11 - Rhyperior (10.37 %)
    # 12 - Flygon (9.65 %)
    # 13 - Togekiss (9.57 %)
    # 14 - Kingdra (9.55 %)
    # 15 - Nidoking (9.42 %)
    # 16 - Hitmontop (9.27 %)
    # 17 - Porygon2 (9.17 %)
    # 18 - Sableye (9.03 %)
    # 19 - Shaymin (8.93 %)
    # 20 - Slowbro (8.80 %)
    # 21 - Arcanine (8.40 %)
    # 22 - Crobat (8.34 %)
    # 23 - Cofagrigus (8.13 %)
    # 24 - Swampert (7.96 %)
    # 25 - Xatu (7.91 %)
    # 26 - Honchkrow (7.42 %)
    # 27 - Darmanitan (7.35 %)
    # 28 - Yanmega (7.34 %)
    # 29 - Scrafty (7.30 %)
    # 30 - Suicune (7.07 %)
    # 31 - Gligar (6.92 %)
    # 32 - Ambipom (6.72 %)
    # 33 - Machamp (6.61 %)
    # 34 - Weavile (6.58 %)
    # 35 - Azelf (6.48 %)
    # 36 - Milotic (6.24 %)
    # 37 - Mew (5.86 %)
    # 38 - Empoleon (5.62 %)
    # 39 - Sharpedo (5.28 %)
    # 40 - Rotom-H (5.14 %)
    # 41 - Amoonguss (4.99 %)
    # 42 - Claydol (4.98 %)
    # 43 - Porygon-Z (4.95 %)
    # 44 - Metagross (4.90 %)
    # 45 - Virizion (4.82 %)
    # 46 - Cobalion (4.59 %)
    # 47 - Registeel (4.54 %)
    # 48 - Tornadus (4.14 %)
    # 49 - Qwilfish (4.13 %)
    # 50 - Azumarill (4.11 %)
    # 51 - Houndoom (4.10 %)
    # 52 - Nidoqueen (4.09 %)
    # 53 - Dusclops (4.06 %)
    # 54 - Mismagius (4.02 %)
    # 55 - Zoroark (3.94 %)
    # 56 - Meloetta (3.81 %)
    # 57 - Golurk (3.30 %)
    # 58 - Bisharp (3.19 %)
    # 59 - Venomoth (3.19 %)
    # 60 - Slowking (3.06 %)[/HIDE]

    Ranked Stats
    Heracross 20.8374 21428
    Chandelure 18.0679 18580
    Mienshao 17.533 18030
    Raikou 16.0267 16481
    Snorlax 15.5862 16028
    Blastoise 14.5185 14930
    Umbreon 13.9 14294
    Zapdos 13.2076 13582
    Victini 12.8673 13232
    Rhyperior 12.5736 12930
    Bronzong 11.1198 11435
    Shaymin 10.9292 11239
    Hitmontop 10.5645 10864
    Kingdra 10.4051 10700
    Slowbro 10.2417 10532
    Togekiss 9.95678 10239
    Flygon 9.93344 10215
    Porygon2 9.90815 10189
    Nidoking 9.29163 9555
    Cofagrigus 9.27218 9535
    Crobat 8.96392 9218
    Swampert 8.75971 9008
    Suicune 8.68288 8929
    Arcanine 8.53896 8781
    Sableye 8.46603 8706
    Xatu 8.38435 8622
    Yanmega 8.21028 8443
    Honchkrow 8.14026 8371
    Darmanitan 8.12471 8355
    Gligar 7.94286 8168
    Scrafty 7.67349 7891
    Azelf 7.11921 7321
    Machamp 6.81386 7007
    Empoleon 6.16038 6335
    Rotom-H 6.01549 6186
    Virizion 5.75488 5918
    Weavile 5.73154 5894
    Ambipom 5.71598 5878
    Amoonguss 5.70237 5864
    Mew 5.64208 5802
    Metagross 5.53608 5693
    Cobalion 5.4612 5616
    Milotic 5.45537 5610
    Sharpedo 5.14711 5293
    Qwilfish 4.91664 5056
    Claydol 4.83204 4969
    Nidoqueen 4.73576 4870
    Registeel 4.7309 4865
    Tornadus 4.48099 4608
    Azumarill 4.1805 4299
    Mismagius 4.02686 4141
    Porygon-Z 4.02005 4134
    Dusclops 4.00255 4116
    Meloetta 3.97824 4091
    Zoroark 3.82362 3932
    Golurk 3.67386 3778
    Houndoom 3.60579 3708
    Venomoth 3.38894 3485
    Bisharp 3.10693 3195[/HIDE]

    (Anything below 3% was not included in the HIDE tags)

    April saw Heracross solidify its lead on the number 1 spot, with Chandelure widening the gap between it and Mienshao as well. Umbreon dropped out of the top five, replaced by Raikou. Both Nidoqueen and Tornadus continued to rise in usage. But interestingly enough, the usage of what I consider to be Tornadus' best partner, Kingdra, stayed around the same. Gastrodon continued to drop off the map, while other Rhyperior appearing to pick up the slack as a Raikou/Fire check.

    And yes, Ambipom remains comfortably entrenched in UU.

    Feel free to use this thread to discuss anyting usage-related!
     
  2. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    The number 1 question that all professional UU players ask: Why is Ambipom still being used in UU?


    Seems like Crobat is getting more usage, and Togekiss still isn't getting enough. Good to know that Blastoise is kicked out of top 5. Nice to see Cofagrigus still rising up, it will break the top 20 soon! Hopefully the usage for Cofag will just keep going up while the usage of Dusclops drops.

    Umbreon is top 10, thanks to being a powerful Ghost counter and SpDef wall. But is it really worth top 10? Last time it didnt even touch top 20. More importantly, is it more top 10 worthy than pokemon like Victini, Zapdos, and Togekiss? Especially in a metagame full of Heracross and Mienshao. Of course Gligar is going up, although Umbreon seems pretty questionable.
     
  3. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Criminal lack of Metagross. Cmon, that thing can check most of UU's Fighting types by itself.
     
  4. User Name

    User Name Life is a maze

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    Random thought after some discussions with friends on another forum;

    What's your opinion on Milotic? Judging from the usage stats, it's definitely not abysmal, but it's nowhere near stellar either.
     
  5. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    Milotic is ehh. It has a few niches, but I prefer Suicune for the Bulky Water.
     
  6. Fille

    Fille True GenderBender

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    Milotic is really good. Lets compare it to 2 other really good bulky waters, Slowbro and Suicune:

    Slowbro:
    • Resists fighting/Fire
    • Great physical defense (110)
    • Decent special defense (80)
    • Has reliable recovery (Slack off)
    • Regenerator (heals 30% on switch outs, really good)
    • Lacks phazing move
    • Good Special attack (100)
    • Great STAB moves (Scald, Psyshock/Psychic)
    • Capabilities to abuse status moves (Toxic, Thunder wave)


    Suicune:
    • Resists Fire
    • Great physical defense (115)
    • Great special defense (115)
    • Lacks reliable recovery
    • RestTalk abuser
    • Pressure (Decent, good for stalling)
    • Phazing move (Roar)
    • Decent Special attack (90)
    • Great STAB move (Scald)
    • Doesn't have capabilities of using Status inducing moves, seeing that it relies on RestTalk, if not SubCM.


    Milotic:
    • Resists Fire
    • Decent physical defense (79)
    • Beast special defense (125)
    • Has reliable recovery (Recover)
    • Can abuse RestTalk really well, due to Marvel scale, boosting it's physical defense!
    • Marvel scale (Takes advantage of status, really good)
    • Phazing move (Roar, Dragon Tail)
    • Good special attack (100)
    • Great STAB move (Scald)
    • Capabilities to abuse status moves (Toxic)

    I'd say it''s underrated, great for common stuff like Yanmega and Chandelure!
     
  7. Finchinator

    Finchinator IT’S FINK DUMBASS

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    I think that Fille has a really good list of pros (and cons, kinda) going, regarding these premier bulky waters.
    However, everyone is really forgetting how useful Empoleon is. I for one absolutely love it.
    Unlike the other bulky waters, Empoleon has the secondary steel typing - which it can use to resist plenty of other types, although it is now weak to ever-so-common fighting moves.
    Also, this water type starter can set up stealth rocks (while still being a good special wall or, being a special attacking SR user. The Grass Knot / Ice Beam / Hydro Pump / Stealth Rocks set is really good.)
    Lastly, Empoleon can sweep - with access to Agility (and it can abuse Petaya berry), Empoleon can use Torrent, Substitute, and it's strong special attack to clean late game!

    In my opinion, Slowbro is the best wall, Empoleon is the best offensive sweeper, Suicune is the best bulky sweeper, and Milotic can really be a status abuser / wall, some people like it over Slow.
     
  8. Fille

    Fille True GenderBender

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    I didn't forget Empoleon, but these 3 are the premier bulky waters with only a water type, and seeing that Suicune/Slowbro (<3) is ever so common, I decided to compare Milotic to these two. Empoleon indeed got some good niches, but being weak to the ever so common fighting type, and not resisting Fire type is a huge problem :/ Besides that, Phazing, Status, great sp bulk, Great scald, boosted by Torrent, stall/Sweeping capabilities and resistance to Dragon/Ice/Dark/Ghost is really good in this tier too (Not dragon really, but worth mentioning :P). Empoleon is really good indeed.

    Also, yes, Blastoise is the most used bulky water, but seeing that it's used for Spinning usually, I decided to use Suicune as an example over it :)
     
  9. AmourShipper

    AmourShipper meh i'm bored

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    Thr fact that Ambipom gets used more than many good Pokemon is a joke and a travesty.

    This needs more Nidoqueen and Mienshao
     
  10. Fille

    Fille True GenderBender

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    Lmao yes indeed :P

    Also, I want people to start using Weezing again over Gligar. Weezing doesn't have a 4x weakness to a common Hidden power, and can abuse Rocky helmet failry well. It's bulk is far greater than decent, and it can retaliate with fire blast, and isn't set up fodder for SDHeracross (Clear smog). It lacks reliable recovery, but it's got Pain split/Rest, and seeing that Umbreon/Blissey are two of the most common Gligar partners, I don't see that as a problem. It also lacks Stealth rocks, but honestly, it's usually not that hard to find a reliable stealth rocker, seeing that both Gligar and Weezing is fairly weak to Fire sweepers (Doing about 50% to both), so Rhyperior is also a splendid partner! Just a thought, if anyone got something else to say, then please say it!


    Also, Weezing got Will o wisp! Cofagrigus is easily 2HKOd by Night slash from Heracross anyways, but also a good option :)
     
  11. bambi

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    depends on your cofag set.
    252Atk Guts Heracross (Neutral) Night Slash vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Cofagrigus (+Def): 26% - 31% (84 - 100 HP). Guaranteed 4HKO.
    with wow and mummy, i would even say, it's a counter. access to haze even defeats sd-sets. it also prevents mienshao from using hjk, as long it is alive ;).
     
  12. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    The problem with Weezing is it has no reliable recovery. Don't tell me Pain Split is reliable. Gligar does have reliable recovery, and as such is a better physical wall in UU. Weezing is also outclassed by Cofagrigus in UU in that Mummy lets it stop Heracross dead. Swords Dance, Choice Band and Status Orb Heracross can all beat Weezing one on one, although the second needs to get Burned and the latter needs to run Facade (which I know from experience is perfectly viable).

    252Atk Life Orb +2 Heracross (+Atk) Stone Edge vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Weezing (+Def): 57% - 67% (191 - 226 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252Atk Choice Band Guts burned Heracross (+Atk) Stone Edge vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Weezing (+Def): 49% - 58% (166 - 196 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 18% chance to 2HKO with Leftovers. Clean 2HKO after Stealth Rock.
    252Atk Guts burned Heracross (+Atk) Facade vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Weezing (+Def): 46% - 54% (155 - 183 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 6% chance to 2HKO with Leftovers. Good chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock.
    4SpAtk Weezing (Neutral) Flamethrower vs 4HP/0SpDef Heracross (Neutral): 41% - 49% (126 - 150 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.
     
  13. Fille

    Fille True GenderBender

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    I mentioned the lack of reliable recovery, and mentioned good partners too! Weezing usually doesn't run Flamethrower, but FIire Blast, and the calcs above are interresting indeed. First of all, the Recoil from LO/Flame orb is enough for a Flamethrower to kill anyways. They both are indeed strong, but I think I mentioned that SD Heracross sets up on Gligar too, unless the rare Aerial ace, but Fire blast is just as dangerous! So I don't really think those calcs are valid, except for that Choice banded one, seeing that it doesn't set up. Still, yes, Gligar got some good things, but Weezing got some even better gimmicks! I also mentioned Cofagrigus as a possible counter, and it's indeed getting more and more common! But it's easier for a Heracross to shut down really :/ Mummy will be removed when Heracross switches out, so if you burn it, it comes in, get of a strong hit, switches out/Kills from the range you're at, and so on. The sets u've posted all beats Gligar, Cofagrigus and Weezing 1v1, but Weezing is the one whos got the best chance to win with a standard set! Aerial ace isn't really common on Gligar, and if Guts SD heracross hits +4, it OHKOs Cofagrigus (Prolly does at +2, I don't really want to calc it). Cofagrigus also takes about the same damage as Weezing from Stone edge, just saying...
     
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    # 57 - Golurk (3.30 %)

    :< thats just sad, this guy is one of the better rocks setters it uu imo as it can spin block (especially against hitmowhateverspins) and he is actually offensive.... oh well i prolly consist of half that usage anyways lol

    # 23 - Cofagrigus (8.13 %)

    and why is it that in a tier FULL of hazards ppl still stick to the frail chandy as a spin blacker while some of the best ghost types lay low in the ranks?
     
  15. Wth is going on with you people wasn't metagross the more used than broz back in gen 4 LESS than 5% i cant believe this shit
    there is nothing that brozong can do better than metagross e but yet his usage rate is LESS THAN 5% while brozong's is 10% how this can be happening, also the metagross usage rate in OU is higher than the one's of brozong
    sorry for ragging but i cant watch my favorite pokemon being SO underrated
     
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    uu is full of bulky waters, all carrying scald to burn him. he also lost explosion. but less than 5% is defenitly not worth him.
     
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    I am personaly happy that my favorite pokemon HeraDaBossCross is #1 in usage. Im pretty happy about the top 10 but i agree that Metagross should be higher in usage.
     
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    # 44 - Metagross (4.90 %)

    The problem with Metagross is it doesn't really fit in to many teams / playstyles too well.
    Yes, it has a niche of destroying so many things with it's amazing attack, good movepool, and nice typing. However, so can plenty of other pokemon in UU - after all, it's a tier full of powerhouses.
    Realistically, I get how people think it deserves more usage, but it just isn't going to happen unless some of the other (more popular) wall-breakers leave the tier.
    Also, the SR set isn't used the commonly because of things like Rhyperior, Swampert, and Cobalion already being popular.
    Sadly, Metagross just isn't fitting into any metagame in BW.
    Hope it doesn't drop, that'd be a terror for LU (who is already stuck dealing with Durant!)

    Also, # 51 - Houndoom (4.10 %)
    Wonder if it'll come up all the way from NU or not!
     
  19. TheUserFormerlyKnownAsFPT

    TheUserFormerlyKnownAsFPT Woof

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it ranked stats that affect tiering? If so then Houndoom might just miss out at 3.70%.

    More worryingly, Reuniclus is at 3.73%. I assume it's only so low as some people don't know it's UU. And it also looks like Mismagius is finally gonna drop. It's kind of irrelevant in UU with Cofagrigus and Chandelure in the tier, and at least it'll have a role to play in LU.
     
  20. Xdevo

    Xdevo Phrasing Super Moderator Tour Director Super Moderator Tour Director

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    Its only Ranked stats that matter (they are also weighted so that this months stats are worth 2 twice the amount of last months).

    Houndoom 3.6975 2148 from this month (so far) combined with Houndoom 3.60579 3708 from last month means it probably won't rise.
     
  21. Fille

    Fille True GenderBender

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    Why is it irrelevant? It can do more than just Spinblocking. This thing can abuse a choice scarf set with it's high speed stat, neither of the other 2 ghosts can. It can effectively use a fast SubPlot set, and it can be a cleric. It's (as mentioned) fast as fuck, outspeeding common things that'd usually kill the premier 2, being BandFlygon/MixTini/RashSpecsRaikou/SPECSLURE. Can also learn Taunt (Of course, Chandelure can also stallBreak, but not as effectively, and it's speed isn't good enough). All in all, you're underrestimating it :/
     
  22. Afro Smash

    Afro Smash Mfw I'm living the Australian dream

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    Yes but Cofagrigus is a much better set up sweeper since it is considerably more bulky than mismagius, and can make itself outspeed all other pokemon with trick room, and chandelure has access to stab fire blast and a much higher specal attack stat, so it can hit harder right off the bat. It's scarf set is good for the surprise factor, but lacks power, and you have to sacrafice a speed IV if you want more coverage with HP fighting, meaning you'll always lose the speed tie against mienshao and be KO'd by stone edge after a small amount of prior damage. So all in all it doesn't really fill a niche in the tier, and i think it could shine in an LU Environment, so i hope it drops.
     
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    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Porygon-Z is close to dropping. If it goes LU, it'll wreck the place.
     
  24. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    It's banned in LU I think anyway.

    But I used to use P-Z a lot, but ever since Blissey came about, it's harder to use in the tier.
     
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