This is a new Wifi Ubers I created a while ago as I wanted to make a sun team of my own(I use my friend's team to ladder).HO is my favorite playing style,so I decided to create a sun HO team.I laddered with this team for a while,and was able to get to 1500,but I couldn't wait to RMT this team,so I didn't try to get high points as it would take some time XD Team at glance: Team Building Process: Spoiler I was gonna make a sun team,so Groudon was the first Pokemon I put in.Groudon was supposed to be my hazard support and Arceus counter,so I made it physically bulky to check EKA. The second Pokemon I thought of was Arceus-Ghost.I've always wanted to use CMGhostceus,as I've faced it many times and it gives trouble every time if the opponent plays it correctly.I went for the standard timid CMGhostceus with Recover/Judgement/Focus blast. I saw that my team was weak to Kyogre,the most common Pokemon in the tier and a threat to rain teams.I put in Latias as my previous team has Palkia and I wanted to try something different,and Latias is one of the best check for Kyogre as it has high special defense and can use recover to deal all the hard damage,something which Palkia can't. I was pretty weak to CM Arceus-Ghost which is a really dangerous Pokemon and can sweep teams if used properly.I thought of changing Groudon's EVs to special defense(one of my friend,CHAMPION LANCE,uses specially bulky Groudon to check Ogre,so I got the idea from his team)and added t-wave to cripple Arceus-Ghost.Now I found my team weak to EKA,which is the most dangerous sweeper in the tier,so I added Terrakion,one of the best check for EKA. Now I needed a good offensive Pokemon for a sun team,and Ho-oh is probably the best offensive Pokemon in sun.At first,I thought of using Flame Charge Ho-oh,but it wasn't helping me that much,so I changed it to fast sub/roost to make it a better check for Giratina. If you use Ho-oh,a rapid spinner is considered must,but I think that magic bounce can prevent hazards better than rapid spin does,due to the presence of Giratina and Arceus-Ghost.Espeon was my choice over Xatu as it can hit harder and is faster than most of the Pokemon in the tier,so it's better for a HO team. After looking at the team again,I found out that it's filled with special walls and dosen't have any physical wall,so I changed Ho-oh to bulky sub and Groudon to physical wall. Changed Groudon to a more offensive Pokemon as I already have a check for EKA,also changed Arceus-Ghost's EV spread and made it bulky fast CM sweeper.Changed Latias to subcm to check Kyogre better.[/HIDE] A closer look at the team: Groudon @ Earth Plate Trait: Drought EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Stealth Rock - Stone Edge - Fire Punch Groudon is not only a great physical wall,but a really good offensive Pokemon as well.With Earthplate,its EQ becomes absurdly strong and can hit switch-ins for a real hard damage.Fire Punch lets it deal with Ferrothorn and Forretress better,which can be OHKOed at low health so that I won't have to predict hazards and switch into Espeon.Stone Edge makes sure Ho-oh isn't gonna wall it and also does reasonable damage to Lugia.The crux of this set is to build offensive momentum by hitting switch-ins hard and it's high speed catches some people off guard. Arceus-Ghost @ Spooky Plate Trait: Multitype EVs: 4 HP / 252 HP / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Judgment - Focus Blast - Recover - Calm Mind Arceus-Ghost is one of the most dangerous special sweeper in the tier,capable of sweeping whole teams if they lack a good check.Thanks to 120 base speed,this guy can outpace most of the Pokemon in the tier and can OHKO/2HKO most of them thanks to the perfect coverage.Recover lets it heal the hard damage and it can also set up against special attackers with CM/Recover if the opponent decides to count on critical hit or dosen't know the might of Arceus-Ghost.Thanks to the 252 HP EVs,it can take hits and setup easily against special attackers,and can also take physical attacks(non-LO Rayquaza can't 2HKO is with Outrage),which helps my team a lot. Latias (F) @ Soul Dew Trait: Levitate EVs: 164 HP / 148 SAtk / 196 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Dragon Pulse - Substitute - Recover - Calm Mind Latias is one of the best check for Kyogre in this tier.Thanks to soul dew,it's high special defense becomes even higher,making it a good specially bulky wall with high special attack.The EV spread lets it outspeed base 100 mons,making it an excellent check for non-scarfed variants of Palkia and Rayquaza(which is a threat to my team),although focus sash Rayquaza can catch it off guard and OHKO it with Outrage.Latias can easily switch into Kyogre,especially if it's a lead against my Groudon(and is faster than my Groudon)and setup subcm,which can be annoying for the opponent.In late game,a subcm setup sweep is possible if there isn't any steel type/Darkrai/Ghostceus in the opponent's team. Terrakion @ Choice Scarf Trait: Justified EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Close Combat - X-Scissor - Sleep Talk - Stone Edge Terrakion is a great check for EKA,a Pokemon that destroys my team.With scarf boosting its speed,it can easily handle many Pokemon in the tier at low health with its STAB 120 base power Close Combat.Stone Edge easily OHKOs Ho-oh,which is a dangerous Pokemon and poses a threat to my team.It can also revenge kill non-bulky variants of Ogre at low health as it does about 68-80% to 4hp/0def Ogre.Sleep Talk lets it deal with Darkrai,which otherwise might setup on it(subnastyplot is very common these days).X-Scissor lets it deal with Mewtwo and a weakened Deoxys-S. Ho-Oh @ Life Orb Trait: Regenerator EVs: 208 HP / 252 Atk / 48 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Substitute - Brave Bird - Roost - Sacred Fire Ho-oh is probably one of the best offensive Pokemon in the Ubers tier.Thanks to skyhigh 154 special defense,Ho-oh can easily take special hits and setup sub against special attackers.Roost is to stall special attackers and to restore the recoil caused by LO.Ho-oh can easily crush Kyogre switch ins with Brave bird and has a 37.5% chance to OHKO non-bulky Kyogre with Brave Bird.The nasty 50% chance to burn the opponent which comes with Sacred fire can be a life saver in many difficult situations,and does a lot of damage in sun with LO boost and adamant atk EVs. Espeon (M) @ Focus Sash Trait: Magic Bounce EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Grass Knot - Hidden Power [Fighting] - Psyshock - Morning Sun Espeon is a great support for every Ubers team with Ho-oh,as it can not only bounce hazards back to the opponent's field,but hit the opponent's Pokemon hard with it's good coverage if needed.Psyshock hits Ho-oh hard and prevents it from setting up.Grass knot deals high damage to Groudon,which can otherwise kill it and lay hazards later in the game.HP fight makes sure it's not walled by Dialga as it stops it from setting Rocks,and also deals hard damage to Darkrai.Morning sun can be really helpful if the opponent decides to attack Espeon,which can otherwise make Espeon useless sometimes. Final Words: So this is my sun team,The burning Tornado.It's one of the best teams I've ever created.Although it looks very similar to another sun team,created by Champion Lance,The Blazing Glaciers,the only thing I copied from that team was the Groudon moveset and EV spread,which I changed after some testing. Importable: Spoiler Latias (F) @ Soul Dew Trait: Levitate EVs: 164 HP / 148 SAtk / 196 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Dragon Pulse - Substitute - Recover - Calm Mind Terrakion @ Choice Scarf Trait: Justified EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Close Combat - X-Scissor - Sleep Talk - Stone Edge Groudon @ Earth Plate Trait: Drought EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Stealth Rock - Stone Edge - Fire Punch Ho-Oh @ Life Orb Trait: Regenerator EVs: 208 HP / 252 Atk / 48 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Substitute - Brave Bird - Roost - Sacred Fire Espeon (M) @ Focus Sash Trait: Magic Bounce EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Grass Knot - Hidden Power [Fighting] - Psyshock - Morning Sun Arceus-Ghost @ Spooky Plate Trait: Multitype EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Judgment - Focus Blast - Recover - Calm Mind[/HIDE]
Not a big fan of Espeon, might as well use a spinner. Maybe Forretress? That'll synergise well with Arc-Ghost
With Espeon,I don't need a spinner as it does the job of blocking hazards,although forre would be a nice addition on this team as I have a spin blocker.I'll try forretress maybe.Thanks for the rate :)
Great team! Have you ever consudered using a Specs Reshiram as an early-game sweeper or a wallbreaker? A sun-boosted Blue Flare from one is the second most powerful attack in the whole of the Ubers metagame (first being Kyogre and you have to have full health to do the damage)! All I can say is be careful of a mis-prediction, especially when the opponent uses Stealth Rock and you forget to switch to Espeon. ;)
HP Fighting I'm not liking on Espeon. Yeah, it hits Darkrai/Tyranitar/Dialga, but there are other things which can work better on it. HP Fire could work, but the one I'm thinking would suit this team most is Morning Sun. Recovering 75% on your health is no joke, and if they switch something like Chandelure in, it brings you to Sash and you Yawn it. Usually they won't risk sleeping 'Lure so they'll switch to something resisting Psyshock and you can Morning Sun back up, allowing you to not have Rocks up on your side the next time. and yes I learned this from CHAMPION LANCE.
But your Groudon set doesn't have Thunder Wave... Anyway, this team is an archetype in the Ubers metagame. Needless to say, it's really solid. There are a few things I'd change however. First off, I'd change Dragon Tail to Roar. It won't do any damage anyway, and not having to fear the 10% miss is extremely good for your heart. Next, you don't need all the speed on Terrakion. You can lower it a bit, and the little extra bulk might save you some day. Also, give Terrakion X-Scissor over Earthquake, since Mewtwo seems like quite a threat to this team. Let me say this: I'm not a big fan of Espeon in Ubers, especially not of the set you're running. Yawn seems useless, and Morning Sun would really help overall. Eg you mispredict a Ferrothorn setting up SR, and instead it hits you. Your Espeon is practically worthless now, but with Morning Sun, it kinda gets a second chance. (it still won't always work, but at least it'll have more utility than Yawn). You already have Psyshock to prevent Ho-Oh from Subbing up, and that sounded like the main reason you ran Yawn anyways. The combination I've found to work better in preventing SR to be up on your side is Offensive Earth Plate Groudon + Xatu. Xatu stops almost every Stealth Rocker, bar Dialga. Offensive Groudon takes care of that. It's something I've run on teams where Forre didn't really fit into. Just something to think about. Hope I helped and good luck!
I actually like the way you used Espeon. It gives your team a bit of originality that sets it aside from the standard ubers sun teams. But you should give it morning sun instead of HP fighting, as your Terrakion will go beast mode on anything with a fighting weakness, it isn't needed. Admitedly, there are better options than Espeon, and your team could use a spinner. Stall teams with more than one entry setter could easily get through Espeon. Why not try the subcm set on your Latias? after one calm mind a specially defensive Latias can tank over 4 full health waterspouts from a max special attack max health specs Kyogre, the most offensive set. Plus the calm mind special attack boost can make Latias pretty deadly. Sub on Latias is great, because it can take so many hits compared to most subs. This is a good team, and I really couldn't find a weakness. I really like the direction the rmt's are heading in for ubers. It's great to see stuff without Kyogre. You did a great job at making an offensive sun team that can still function without the sun.
This is a really good team. Your unique take on Espeon is wonderful. ^^ Interesting EV spread on Latias as well. As others have already mentioned, Hidden Power Fighting does seem a little awkward. The only possible consideration I would make is perhaps Baton Pass, allowing some degree of scouting.
Thanks for the rate everyone,first of all I'll start with the HP fight issue on Espeon.Espeon has HP fight as it is used to wear down Dialga,which would easily take Espeon down without it and will setup later in the game after Terrakion,although Ho-oh can do a lot with sacred fire in sun,but sun isn't up all the time,so it's risky.Morning sun would be a good addition to Espeon as yawn dosen't help me that much,so I'll test it.EQ really dosen't help Terrakion much,so I'll replace it with X-Scissor for Mewtwo.Reshiram would be a pretty good addition to the team,but I can't find anything to replace it with without breaking the synergy of the team.As for t-wave,I was testing Dtail on Groudon,which didn't seem to work very well as I already have Terrakion for EKA,so I changed it back to t-wave.And imo,spinners are very difficult to use in Ubers metagame thanks to Giratina and Arceus-Ghost,and Magic bounce does the get the job done for me as I have experience of using it for 3 months on my other sun team.
Hey, Not much of an ubers player but I'll try to rate anyways. Try using baton pass on espeon over Grass Knot/Yawn. It'll help you escape TTar and probably get a Justified boost. Sleep Talk terrakion is awesome. <3 Espeon isn't that great from what I've seen. I would try a spinner. Good luck
hey pretty solid team id go with zoros suggestion of offensive sr dia and xatu if not run bp on espeon as cigs said u dont handle mewtwo particularly well, so id suggest max hp max speed ghostceus instead of ur current spread
You just made a team from Lance's sun team Ig :s Try Leftovers Ho-Oh if you're running Adamant one,Life Orb is for speedy Ho-Ohs which have less power.
I put Morning sun as many people here suggested it.I'll test it and see if it works better than Yawn/Shadow Ball.
Really cool team, (seeing that i have a poor record against this team ;-;) but i actually think smashpass lead smeargle can actually pose a problem should it be smart and just smash and pass without getting itself spored by espy. I was thinking of Psych Up, while gimmicky, can actually work as a surprise and smash back opposing(Dialga?) with the appropriate move of choice. I'm thinking of a psych up/psyshock/hp fighting/baton pass set. Baton pass can really be a surprise and a life-saver in many situations, such as getting out before t-tar traps you with pursuit, or even better:pPassing that shell smash. Really, i have tested it before, it does work! But it is really my own preferrence lol. I really can't nitpick anything other than quick attack>sleep talk, but I see what sleep talk is really for.
Thanks for the rate,Sexy Gardevoir.I'm totally gonna try that gimmicky Espeon set and see if it works well :D P.S the team I used against you in our battles was a different sun team,but this one can also do good against you as it's quite similar to the other one :p
Yoooo leon Great team..hope u get the rank u want with it I just wanna tell u a couple things 1 : eq> x- scissor for dialgas especially smashpassed ones I suggest max speed groudon jolly..it works great with me..also those 40 hp EVs won't serve u as much as max speed would do Other than that. The team is highly ladderable Great work :)
Thanks for the rate,Master.I'm gonna try both these changes and see how far can I go XD P.S I haven't been able to do good on ladder due to hax and always come down to 1450 from 1500 :(
hey a great ubers team and i don't think i can improve it i just got to say though change espeon's focus sash to something like life orb so he can heal back some damage from morning sun or leftovers just a suggestion good team btw ^^
Thanks for your rate.Espeon is a frail Pokemon by Ubers standard and can't take most of the hits,so it has to rely on focus sash to prevent hazards(it 2HKOs Groudon with grassknot,which can lay hazards if Espeon dosen't have focus sash and gets knocked down by EQ).
This is a pretty solid team I think that CM Latias would be better than your current set CM Set That I approve of Spoiler Latias (F) @ Soul Dew Trait: Levitate EVs: 252 HP / 60 SDef / 196 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Calm Mind - Hidden Power [Fire] - Dragon Pulse - Roost The Speed EVs allow it to outspeed non-scarf Garchomp, HP Fire KOs Many common switch ins like Genesect (If you predict it) Forretress and Ferrothorn, Dragon Pulse is your High Power Stab. Roost to heal, CM to raise Satk and Sdef
Thanks for the rate.The cm set looks good for a bulky Latias,but I want an offensive Latias which can setup subcm against Kyogre,and mine does the job get done.Sub can be really useful some time and can get you out from difficult situations.I'll be sure to give your set a try,though :D
Normal acruces makes it easyto set up sword dance and xtream speed lets you attack first with great power
This team is based mostly on Ghostceus and I wanted to make a team around it,so I can't switch to Arceus-N.Thanks for the rate :)
Huh ? do you people actually mention smash-pass in ubers this shit isn't even used in uu usage rate of smeargle in ubers = 5% LOL oh i know where to ladder next, ubers here i come. btw the use of terrakion is interesting But i cant see how is it possible to effectively counter entry hazards with a pokemon that isn't even used more than 8% in OU, exscadrill/forre sounds a lot better to me .
Just because a Pokemon isn't used much dosen't mean it's not good.Smeargle is much more viable in Ubers than in UU(it's still uncommon),and a team without a smashpass counter won't do very good in Ubers ladder.Moving to Espeon,it may have low usage in OU,but that has nothing to do with an Ubers team.Spinning in Ubers is very difficult due to the presence of Ghostceus and Giratina,and magic bounce can be really effective(you need some experience though). P.S usage isn't everything.-.
Honestly, you have a nice team. I can see that CMGhosteus is your core, right ? Well, that's nice but, Espeon, I tried and it's not a good choice on Uber. Instead, you should use Forrestress with his suitable typing. I think this team will have troubles with Rain, especially Choice Scarf Palkia with Draco Meteor. Next, there are no Steel ? Steel is the best defensive type on Uber, even in Sun. You should use at least 1 Steel to take Draco Meteor. And, you need luck to win other CMGhosteus. Well nevermind ! Your building skills are pretty good then, keep on building another Sun team.
Thanks for you rate :) Forretress is a good Pokemon to use with Arceus-Ghost,but I wanted to make something non-standard+I believe that spinning in Ubers isn't very easy due to the presence of Ghostceus and Gira-O/A.As for rain teams,Latias is one the best checks for Kyogre,and can setup on it in water spout/surf/hydro pump and even ice beam provided the Kyogre doesn't have choice specs.Scarf Palkia is actually easier to deal with,as ho-oh can tank a draco meteor,and Ghostceus can tank everything it has except for hydro pump in rain.Latias can take a draco meteor and then KO with dragon pulse.Steel types sure are great for checking dragons,but my Bulky Ghostceus can take most of the dragon hits while Latias outspeeds every dragon in the tier bar Latios,Latias and Arceus-Dragon(which isn't common).Latios and Latias are easily checked by Ghostceus,and Ho-oh can also tank most of the hits.
I am not familiar with sun teams but you can try Rock Polish on Groudon since you can reflect opponent's hazards? Spoiler Groudon @ Earth Plate/ Lum Berry / Life Orb Trait: Drought EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Rock Polish - Stone Edge - Fire Punch[/HIDE] Of course espeon is very good but you can try forretress. Spoiler Forretres @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy EVs: 252 Hp / 196 Def / 60 SDef IVs: 0 Spd IVs Relaxed Nature (+Def,-SAtk) - Toxic - Gyro Ball - Rapid Spin - Spikes/ Stealth Rock[/HIDE] Choice is yours but anyways it is a very good team. And gratz on your success^^
Spoiler Spoiler Thanks for you rate :) Rock Polish Groudon dosen't suit this team,because I need a hazard support,and although I can reflect hazards thanks to Espeon,not many experienced player will use rocks against Espeon,and it's not reliable. As for Forretress,I explained it earlier that I can't use it because imo,spinning is very difficult in Ubers tier due to the presence of Giratina and Arceus-Ghost,which can easily prevent Forretress from spinning.
Might as well run Leftovers on Ho-oh since Life Orb + Substitute wears you down quickly, and bulkier Ho-oh generally does better with Lefties.
Leftovers on Ho-oh makes it too weak and it can't KO Kyogre switch ins,and can't hit Ghostceus hard enough.Longevity isn't a problem since it has regen,so lefties,imo are completely useless(and noobish)on offensive sun Ho-oh .Thanks for the rate.
Well when you run close to max HP on a Mon, it usually is considered defensive, especially SubRoost Ho-oh.
No problem :D. Btw u need yawn on your Espeon, otherwise smeargle can easily smash pass and you also dont have any priority iirc^^ Espeon set: Spoiler Bliss (Espeon) @ Focus Sash Trait: Magic Bounce EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Grass Knot - Psyshock - Yawn - Morning Sun[/HIDE] P.S: Keep raping those noobz xD