[Skeleton] Lickitung

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  1. Slowkii

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    ==General==
    -Decent Coverage Movepool for gen 1.
    -Slow but sort of bulky
    -Base 60 Special, Base 75 Defense and Base 90 HP gives it some bulk.
    -Despite its name it does not learn the move 'lick'.

    ==Physical==
    Lickitung (M) @ (No Item)
    - Earthquake
    - Body Slam / Hyper Beam
    - Swords Dance
    - Wrap / Body Slam

    Set Comments:
    -Very slow and bad attacking stats, and has below average bulk.
    -Best supported by paralysis.
    -Should be used lategame.


    ==Other Options==
    -Surf and blizzard can be used to check the like of golem or rhydon, but they are inferior to the rest of the set.
    -You can run Counter.

    ==Checks And Counters==
    -Basically anything faster, so paralysis make lickitung a bigger threat.
    -Golem cannot be paralyzed and is faster, it doesn't take very much damage from Lickitung whatsoever and can KO back with EQ. The same with rhydon.
    -Bulky pokemon, (Lapras, Cloyster, Exeggutor and Slowbro) can switch i and wall or kill.
     
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  2. Crystal_

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    Uy Uy Uy. This needs a lot of work. Are you really suggesting a set with four special attacks?
    Swords Dance | Earthquake | Wrap/Body Slam | Hyper Beam/Body Slam is the only set worth using, regardless of whether it is for OU, UU or NU.

    lol I just saw Toxic.

    lol SD unexpected.
     
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    Tryed to fix it, I'm not very good at RBY, still learning.
     
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    Remove the second set as well though. And you forgot to slash Hyper Beam in the first set btw.
     
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    Thanks for helping :D
     
  6. Dre.

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    I think Crystal was pretty spot on with the movesets, but counter is probably the best alternate option, although it's still a gimmick.
     
  7. Slowkii

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    I have mentioned Counter in OO. Anything else?
     
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    PO Trainer Name:
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    Special Attack does not exist in Gen 1 it's just Special.
     
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    You know what I mean
    :x Changing it
     
  10. Dre.

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    A couple of things. I'd get rid of the special set entirely, swords dance plus STAB wrap is the only reason to use lickitung.

    Also, in the counter section, pretty much anything faster than it beats it, which is basically anything not paralysed that isn't snorlax slowbro or parasect(lol).

    Saying golem can explode is kinda overstating how good it is. Golem can easily beat it 1v1, and if you're using lickitung in OU Golem doesn't need to explode on it and won't want to as it it'd rather take out a much bigger threat.

    Mention that it needs everything paralysed, so it can swords dance then wrap. Counter isn't bad on end-game pokemon (you should be saving lickitung until the end-game) because you're likely to see tauros end-game.
     
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    Fixed. Anything else?
     
  12. Crystal_

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    Remove Substitute and Disable from OO. Consider replacing them with Surf and Blizzard (for Golem/Rhydon mainly, Blizzard might help a little against Exeggutor), but emphasize that these two are inferior options overall (and obviously shouldn't be used together at all).

    The counters section should look completely different. Lickitung main issue is its own speed and below average stats, which means that most things can beat lickitung 1 on 1. Gengar though, should not appear there because it's really not a counter, nor should machamp, unless you want to make a separate section for UU/NU. Golem is a good counter not because it can explode but because it's actually faster than Lickitung, resists normal attacks, doesn't take much damage from eq, and can 3hko back with its own stab eq. Rhydon is also a good counter for the same exact reasons. Bulky pokemon such as Exeggutor, Lapras, Cloyster and Slowbro deserve a mention as good switch-ins too. Wrap won't bother unparalyzed pokemon since they will be faster than lickitung, so unparalyzed bulky pokemon work best.
     
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    Ok fixed. Anything else?
     
  14. Crystal_

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    You left Gengar as Lickitung's main issue in set comments. Remove it.

    Lickitung's physical movepool is as impressive as it gets. Okay it doesn't get Slash, but it gets SD, Body Slam, EQ, Hyper Beam and Wrap and is a normal-type. May very well be the best in the whole RBY metagame. Give Lickitung Tauros' stats and it'll be in Ubers.

    In set comments you can talk about how awful speed and bad attack hinder it, and doesn't have good defensive stats to make up for that (Tauros takes both physical and special attacks better than lickitung for reference). It's main threat comes from if it manages to get a SD up (without getting paralyzed) against a mostly paralyzed team and can start wrapping and hyper beaming away coming off 416 attack and stab. But again, that's unlikely.

    In UU, Lickitung has issues against all the faster special attackers with STAB as well as Graveler that can help playing around it. It can work better due to the lower stats UU Pokemon have in general being able to hit everything decently hard, but on the other hand, it wont be facing the physically fragile and likely to be paralyzed special walls and paralysis isn't as common in UU. Porygon and Wigglytuff will generally outclass Lickitung in UU and it's not that these two are very good in UU either...

    In NU it's basically the same story. NU Pokemon aren't weaker than UU Pokemon in terms of stats, it's just that they didn't have the movepool to excel in UU (like a set-up move if you are a water-type, the ability to hit ground types if you are electric). So it's basically the same story for Lickitung. Maybe if you focus your team in spreading paralysis in can work well in UU or NU, but there are very few viable Pokemon in the lower tiers able to induce paralysis and actually spread it.
     
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