Rehx couldn't kill, so why did Marcello. die? And why was the day skipped? I'm sorry if it seems sour grapes but the last day phase made literally 0 sense. There was no reason for the lynch to be skipped.
It was skipped because that is the condition that came up. I honestly wanted the Monsters to win because your team as a whole played the best. Marcello. died because he couldn't have beaten Rehx. IF there is a tie the winning condition will be random of the ones that tied. - from the rules. They were all tied at 0 votes.
But Rehx couldn't have beaten him either...:/ I understand my death but that seems rather biased, a draw seemed fairer Also when did we vote for that condition? P.S.Fegelein, you were so suspicious of Marcello. that you told him all your plans and let him lead the Village, seems legit.
You didn't vote for conditions at all therefore they were all tied at 0 votes. Conditions happened regardless of whether or not someone decided to vote. Marcello. would have gotten the kill after you died since it was a team kill thing. Since he has a kill there was a way for him to attack Rehx thus meaning he would lose.
Just want to point out here that this is grade A bullshit. Like TSO I don't want to seem sour, but I am. The fair way to end this would have had Monsters auto-winning after we literally endgamed Rehx. You've used a small semantics shift in our win condition to ensure what was no doubt your favourite role won. Had this been 2 Mafia vs 1 Village member with exactly the same role mechanics, the Mafia would had won by convention.
I have to disagree with this. A role that is not able to be killed would not auto lose during the night. During the day yes. Also he wasn't part of the village but a part of another "mafia". What did i shift? Also, the role I wanted to win was the Phoenix. If you can logically explain why I was wrong and it make sense then I will turn over the decision. Otherwise my decision is final. I will say your team got rather unlucky with this condition.
Marcello. was a BG and I was a PL and killer. Knowing this, the only way for me to die would have been to have hit a role which revenges nightkills. You used the logic that theoretically Marcello. would have killed, taking it out of his hands to play the game, and endgamed him with logic which you could have used to endgame Rehx at the start of the said night. It seems totally unfair tbh. And I don't buy half of it either. Rehx didn't get endgamed by a coin flip. Marcello. lost on a coin flip. I do like you as a person Beast, but human error will say that in 50/50 situations and one of the roles is called after you...well. Spoiler 2. As stated above this game has special conditions you can vote for during the day. Each day a different number is assigned to each condition so when you vote you never know which one you are going to get. I will let you know what condition was voted for at the end of the day after the votes have been counted. IF there is a tie the winning condition will be random of the ones that tied.[/HIDE] That's also easily open to opinion. Technically, none of them tied, so you chose out of none of them and picked one of them. You can't get 1 out of 0.
didn't play but one has to wonder how tso could have died during the night if his partner has a protection ability
Usually that would be the case, but the one role which could stop a BG/PL/Vigi combination was against me, a nightkill revenger. :(
Marcello. didn't protect TSO last night. He didn't send in an action the last couple of nights actually. The Marcello. point is fair so I will put it to a vote. If people wish for Marcello. to not be dead then I will do that. He won't win but he also won't lose. The voting condition thing should have been better stated. The post game will help understand the balance of the game better. I will try to get it up tonight.
Honestly, I'm not much bothered about my death being revoked, it just creates a stalemate in which the game is ended as a consequence of neither team being able to win. I was more arguing the fact that the whole "only faction remaining" thing was the entire reason we didn't endgame win when we were 2v1, it just irks me a little that we realistically lost to semantics and a really bad coin flip.
Haha, I would say there should be no need beast. This was a fun game, as well it was never stated that not voting a condition would stop there from being a condition either TSO, hehe. It was really well played honestly, and we got a good final day out of it. Village was doomed from early game mostly, killers as well, monsters could have had it, but Rehx played well too. No need to feel sour about this, why ruin a good game with it in my opinion. People always complaining about endgames, just because it doesn't appeal to their liking. I mean having a winner is better than having a tie game since marcello wouldn't use his power on rehx because that'd end up with him being blast burned, and rehx can't kill marcello as it's not a command. It would have been a monsters win assuming that TSO didn't use his last night action to "scare" rehx which ultimately ended up with him dying.
Actually the way i would handle it is that the flavor would remain the same but at the end of it Marcello. was able to trick Rehx and get away to seek his revenge another day. Tonight i will be posting about all of the roles and the conditions that can have been voted for.
...*sigh*... ...Good lord, if I knew some people would flip I wouldn't have even played... Thanks CP, that means a lot coming from you...
Yeah Rehx, seriously, your play in this game was amazing, while I'd personally have preferred Mark won, you definitely deserve it.
Post-Game part-1 Special Conditions: 1. Everyone Protected 2. Everyone safeguarded 3. No night actions go through 4. Anyone who uses an action has their vote count as zero next day.: D5 5. Skip the next day phase: D1, D3, D10 6. Host’s choice D6 7. Skip the next night phase 8. A random role description is shown 9. Nothing: D8, D9 10. Nothing Beast: Water Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are the Beast. Biggest, baddest MoFo around. You strike fear in the heart of all that see you. None shall oppose you and your almighty strength. You able to follow someone by PMing BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Prey [target]” to see if they are a worth next meal. This will tell you who they visited the night before. Additionally, you may send a PM “Night X - Threaten [target1] to target [target2]”. [target1] will be so frightened by your presence, they would target [target2] instead of who they were planning to. This does not apply to kills as killers are more gutsy than this. Your rage will deter anyone trying to lynch you during the day and you’re aware someone wants you dead, so do be wary. In your quest of total obliteration, you have teamed up with an equally frightening ally, Charizard Rehx! He is a bomb who kills whoever targets him and has a negative vote of one, together, you will destroy everyone! If he dies you will gain a kill. You are sided with the Beasts. You win if you and your partner are the last ones standing. [/HIDE] The idea of Beast is to send people towards Charizard for them to be killed. Not effecting the killers was so that a team wouldn't be completely crippled by this action. The stalk is so that Beast could find out if someone was worthy of being sent to Charizard. Charizard: Rehx Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are Charizard. The most awesome pokemon in the world. No one knows what you’re doing here but does it a really matter? No, I didn't think so. You don't really do much, but if anyone comes up to you for any reason whatsoever during the night you’ll hit them with Blast Burn and turn them into a pile of ash. That is to say, you can't be killed during the night. You have a vote of -1 because you like to burn the ballots. There is one who can kill you so do be careful. In your quest of total obliteration, you have teamed up with an equally frightening ally, Beast ,Water! He has a stalk, cannot be lynched, and a redirection. Together, you will destroy everyone! You are sided with the Beasts. You win if you and your partner are the last ones standing. [/HIDE] Charizard was the other half of the combo with Beast. Beast is to send the actions toward him so that the people die. The -1 vote was there to just mess with people. Village: Villager: KM007(Drigger), Citro, Prejudice, Li Q. Assir, Metal Sonic, Atlantawins11 Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are a Villager. What can I say? You’re just a bunch of villagers. You don't really have much to do. You go to work everyday and come home at night to see your family. Lately though, you have been hearing rumors about a beast that eat people at night. You better watch out for him. Vote during the day to get rid of the evil guys threatening your village! You are sided with the village. You win if all threats all eliminated. [/HIDE] Just a regular old villager. Psychic: Fegelein Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are the Psychic. Hailing from a generation of mind readers, you make use of the divine “Three Phase Divination” to read the fortunes of others. You, in particular, have spent many years learning art of reading other people’s minds , allowing you to PM BeastCharizard “Night X - Meditate for a vision of [target]”. You will spend the night meditating on your target, and will have his role at the end of the night. You are sided with the village. You win if all threats are eliminated. [/HIDE] Regular old inspector. Body Builder: IronStorm Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are the Body Builder. You pride yourself on your muscles, thinking that no one is as strong as you. You go to the gym daily to make sure your body never falls below your target weight and muscle mass. Your ego, along with your muscles, are huge, allowing you to PM BeastCharizard “Night X - Flex muscles near [target]”. This allows you to protect your target from harm's way using your bulk, deterring all potential killers from killing your target. Non-killers don’t worry about these kinds of stuff, hence it will not affect them. You are sided with the village. You win if all threats are eliminated. [/HIDE] Bodyguard with no added twist. Jigglypuff: Celestial Phantom Spoiler Dear <User>, You are Jigglypuff. The most adorable pokemon ever and super easy to love. You love to sing into your microphone/pen thing for people but they always end up falling asleep, and you don’t really like that! Your amazing singing skills allow you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Sing to [target]”. This will allow you to put your target to sleep with you amazing singing voice. You can put anyone to sleep, and I mean anyone. You are sided with the village. You win if all threats are eliminated. [/HIDE] Distractor for the village. Jigglypuff was actually able to sing Charizard to sleep thus allowing him to be targetted by commands. Miss Popularity: Windblown Spoiler Dear <User>, You are Miss Popularity. The talk of the town, the name that everyone knows, that is you. From a young age you have been great at networking and socialising. You even have a knack for getting people to do exactly what you want. You don’t have any special night actions or anything like that because why should a girl have to get herself dirty. You do however have a vote that is worth 3 due to all your popularity. You are sided with the village. You win if all threats are eliminated. [/HIDE] The Mayor role. Using their vote it would be easier to take out Charizard during a lynch. Butcher: Pikachu-Fan Spoiler Dear <User>, You are the Butcher You spend your whole day cutting up meat for the people of the town, while not particularly fun, you find yourself enjoying chopping up huge chunks of meat daily. This has made you rather suspicious in the eyes of the village, hence if they ever inspect you, you’ll show up as a bad guy. Your rather creepy but efficient ways of killing allows you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Chop up [target] into little pieces”. You have to clean your cleaver before you use it each time so you may only use this every three nights. You are sided with the village. You win if all threats are eliminated. [/HIDE] The vigilante. Being able to kill every 3 days gave the village the ability to kill without giving them a significant advantage. The miller thing was just interesting to do and added to the flavor. Exterminator: Chinchou Spoiler Dear <User>, You are the Exterminator. Going around killing bugs all day can be tiring but at the same time it can be rewarding. Your many different kinds of insecticides allow you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Spray fumes all over [target]”. You will spray some smelly and foul insecticide all over your target, causing all non-killers to be unable to target your target due to the stench. Killers will be focused on killing and ignore the stench though, so your fumes won’t work. Additionally, working in such a job prevents you from being poisoned. You are sided with the village. You win if all threats are eliminated. [/HIDE] The safeguarder. Able to stop The Ninja from poisoning people and other potential roles as well. Killers: Ninja: Bebbz Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are a Ninja Hiding in the shadows no one knows where you are, you have mastered the art of ninjutsu and have assassinated a fair share of people. When you are inspected it will seem like you are just a normal villager because of your awesome stealth. Your quiet and feather like agility allows you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “ Night X- Follow [target] like a ninja”. This will allow you to see who see who your target visited that night. Once every three nights, you can PM BeastCharizard “Night X - Poison [target]”. True to your stereotype, you will poison your target with ninja skills and he will die the following night. You are sided with The Killers. You win when your faction is the only one left. Your teammates will be sent when you confirm your role. [/HIDE] A ninja blends into society so they can't be found by inspection. The stalk was for The Ninja to find out who does stuff. The poison was to slowly take out an enemy that they knew was a threat. Pirate: Human Destroyer Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are a Pirate. Ahoy matey! You are the almighty pirate. After sailing the seas you have stopped in this town to get refreshed and maybe cause a little chaos for the heck of it. Thrice per game you are able to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Make Everyone Walk the Plank”. At the beginning of the next day a random role PM, without the person who is the role, will be revealed to the public. You made sure not to target your teammates however, so they will not be revealed. Your amazing marksmanship allows you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Shoot [target].” This will allow you to kill your opponent with one of your many weapons. If you were to perish, another member of your team would take your weapons and gain killing capabilities. You are sided with The Killers. You win when your faction is the only one left. Your teammates will be sent when you confirm your role. [/HIDE] Ninjas and Pirate on the same team is just awesome. They start out with the teamkill because they are a pirate and have a gun. Their ability was to hopefully find out what other roles are in the game. While the info is shared with everyone their faction not being able to be targetted gives them a little of an advantage. Kidnapper: ArcherKnight Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are a Kidnapper. Famed for kidnapping John and Mary in 2000 and something, you stopped in this town to kidnap more unsuspecting children. But your eyesight has really deteriorated in these few years and now everyone looks like a child to you. Your skill in kidnapping allows you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Throw [target] into my white van”. Your target will be kidnapped and will be unable to post in the main thread for the whole day and the next night while they are kidnapped. You are sided with The Killers. You win when your faction is the only one left. Your teammates will be sent when you confirm your role. [/HIDE] Able to make people seem to be lurkers putting some blame on them. It was also used to shut up an annoying player. It also takes away a PR if the Ninja has stalked someone who had an action. Monsters Boogie Man: profDEADPOOL, TheSexiOne I accidently revealed profDEADPOOL as TSO's role so to be fair i had to give TSO DEADPOOL's role in exchange. Spoiler Dear <User>, You are the Boogie Man. Who doesn’t know about the Boogie Man? You hide in the strangest place and decide to scare people just for kicks. You especially enjoy when their fear causes them bodily harm. Your creepiness allows you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Hide under [target]’s bed”. You will surprise your target with a scare during the night, leaving him unable to perform any actions. This also has a small chance of making your target not able to move for more than one day as well. You may not target the same target twice in a row because he’ll be more wary the next time! You are sided with The Monsters. You win when your faction is the only one left. Your teammates will be sent when you confirm your role. [/HIDE] The evil distractor with the possibility of keeping someone distracted. The chance of the added effect was just 5% but its impact could have been huge. Monster in the Closet: TheSexiOne, profDEADPOOL I already explained this. Spoiler Dear <User>, You are the Monster in the Closet. Scaring children is one of the most fun things to do in the world and lucky you, that is your job. You have been scaring kids for longer than you can remember. Since you are always in a closet no one knows what you look like. Due to no one knowing what you look like you inspect as a villager. Your ugly face also gives you a bad reputation, giving you a -1 vote. Your ugly face allows you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Jump out of [target]’s closet”. You will jump out and scare your target so much, he’ll die of a heart attack. If you were to perish, another member of your team would learn your scaring techniques. You are sided with The Monsters. You win when your faction is the only one left. Your teammates will be sent when you confirm your role. [/HIDE] Another miller since no one knows what the Monster in the Closet truely looks like. The faction kill started with this role because he is the scariest of all the monsters. The -1 vote was to mess with the villages lynches while cleaning themselves. Cookie Monster: ThatIsWhatSheSaid Spoiler Dear <User>, You are the Cookie Monster. You read the correctly, you are the Cookie Monster. You spend your days looking for delicious cookies to eat, but everyone here only likes vegetables and meat. Who the heck would want to eat these kinds of stupid food? Your love for cookies allows you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Does [target] have cookies?”. You will search your target for cookies but will find only his alliance and role name. You are sided with The Monsters. Your teammates will be sent when you confirm your role. [/HIDE] The "inspector" for the Monster's side. Not really all that scary but he did want cookies. Lone Roles: Beast Hunter: IFM Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are the Beast Hunter. You have been hunting down that dang beast for ages. You know the beast is out there somewhere and you are determined to find it. After tracking it many many miles you have now ended up in this weird town. You know in order to catch the Beast you must stay in this town. You will automatically win if you are the one able to kill the Beast but if you aren't you will join the side forces with whomever was able to kill the Beast. Your skill in hunting allows you to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X - Hunt [target]”. This allows you to kill your target thus removing them from the game. You win by either being the person to kill the Beast or with whatever side killed the Beast. [/HIDE] The wildcard really. Able to win by killing the Beast but also able to go to any side as long as they killed the Beast. If they had voted for the Beast's lynch they would have won and if not would have gone to the side with the most votes on the Beast. Zero: Marcello., LordKX Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are Zero. Zero, the all mighty anti-hero from the MegaMan franchise. You have come right out of Capcom to show the world just how awesome you truly are. Right now you are not able to be killed at all and your vote counts as 0. If you want you are able to PM BeastCharizard or Jiggles “Night X -Transform [self].” By choosing to transform you can automatically die, automatically win or anything in between. You might even gain a side if you chose to Transform. Right now you are sided with yourself but that could all change. [/HIDE] Potentially the most powerful role in the game after transforming. They must not get to many enemies because who knows what side they will be on in the end. Would have been end gamed if they took to long to transform. Pheonix: Michu Spoiler Dear <USER>, You are a Phoenix. The phoenix, who is almost always reborn.You just happened to be flying by a random town and notice some chaos going on. You don't plan to intervene much but you aren't just going to watch people die. You are a neutral entity at this moment in time. Right now you are able to send BeastCharizard “Night X - Squawk [Self]”. This will reveal you to everyone in the game who you are during the next day. The first time you are killed or lynched you will come back to life after a day has passed and you will change roles. You win with anyone who meets their win condition. [/HIDE] A true neutral entity that only became dangerous after it was killed. Probably my favorite role in the game. Convert Roles: Phoenix Spoiler Phoenix: Why did they keep killing you even though you were a neutral? That is some stupid stuff and now you are going to show them why it was such a bad idea. You have gotten tired of dying and are now able to send BeastCharizard “Night - X - Burn [target]”. This will kill your target and potentially everyone else on their team. Since you have died twice your vote is worth 2. You are now sided with yourself and win only if you are the last one standing. [/HIDE] This role is able to kill anyone included Charizard. It was made for the sole purpose of countering Charizard in every way and to wreck teams. The added effect of teamkilling was only 5%. Zero Roles: Spoiler Zero1: Dies Would have been great for someone to get this role. :) Zero2: You start to transform and notice a sword right by your side. You decide to try to add it in while you transform. Lucky for you it worked. You block half the attacks that come at you with your sword. You are now able to send BeastCharizard “Day X - Slice [target]”. This will allow you to kill someone at any point during the day. You are sided with yourself and win when you are the last one standing. The strongest role in game with the greatest chance of messing with teams. Was able to kill Charizard as well. Zero3: You start to transform and notice a megaphone right by your side. You decided to see what adding a megaphone will do. When you are done transforming you realize that your voice is 20 times louder. With your new voice you are able to send BeastCharizard “Night X - Speak [target]”. This allows you to reveal your targets role PM to everyone during the next day. You now win with anyone that reaches their win condition. Another true neutral if this transformation was gotten. It would make a lot of enemies but at the same time would make you some allies. Zero4: You start to transform and you notice a pitch fork right by your side. What the heck, lets see what it does. With the added pitchfork you are now...A villager. You have no actions but you are now sided with the village. This transformation will be broadcast to the game but your identity will be kept secret. You are sided with the village. Just a regular old villager. Imagine getting this after all that waiting to transform. Zero5: You start to transform and you notice a pirate hat. What a pirate hat is doing near you is a mystery. You put the hat on and all the sudden you transfromed into a Robot Pirate. You are now able to send BeastCharizard “Night X - Ravenge [target]”. This will allow you to either poison, kill, inspect or distract your target. You are sided with the Killers. You will be sent your teammates in another PM. Your teammates will be informed of their new teammate as well. One of the few roles who had a predetermined side. I think it was a pretty cool role. The wording isn't all that good not that i have reread it. It was random which action was taken against your target. [B]Marcello.[/B] Zero6: While transforming you notice a shield and grab it real quick. When your transformation is complete you notice you have a shield where your arm was. You are able to send BeastCharizard “Night X - shield [target]”. This will protect your target from being killed. You are sided with A bodyguard sided with a random team. Marcello. was obviouslly sided with the monsters. This role was made as a support role for a team giving them an advantage of a role not being able to be killed. Zero7: You start to transform but you are having difficulty. You notice a trophy you have had for a long time and grab it for some confidence. All the sudden you start to transform. When you come out you find yourself a champion among champions. You just won! Now you don't have to do anything anymore. Instant death role means you need an instant win role as well. Best role in the game in my opinion. Also happens to be the cheapest. [B]LordKX[/B] Zero8: Before transforming you decide to go get a drink. You see what you think is grape soda on the counter. You gulp it down in one giant sip. Out of nowhere you start to transform. You feel a little sick after it is all said and done. You realize that you are able to poison people now. Send Beast Charizard “Night X - Infect [target]. This will cause your target to die in 2 days. You are sided with The only other poisoning role in the game besides Ninja. Made to delay kills and give the Exterminator something else to protect from. KX got sided with the village though. [/HIDE] Awards: Best Player: TheSexiOne 2nd Best Player: Rehx Best Play: ArcherKnight getting rid of KM007 with his kidnap. 2nd Best Play: Me killing KM007 Best Fake Role: Feral Wolf made by TSO. Person i wished hadn't died so fast: IFM Worst Play: KX not transforming until he was about to be end gamed. 2nd Worst Play: Me letting KM play. :( Laziest Person: Chinchou 2nd Laziest Person: Pikachu-Fan Best Team: Monsters
Yay, I got an award. :P But anyway, this game was really fun and all, and I wish I had been more useful, but alas, it is over now.
Perhaps I've been a bit sour grapes in the whole thing. I do think there's a point in what I said and still is, but to press it would be to ruin the game.
I don't have the logs, but I wasn't even trying to fool you, you were practically dead. Your conversation consisted of you literally repeatedly asking me to give me your scum PM. And the players of your "Village" were all moles anyway, why would I put on another mole claim? My claim wasn't amazing play, but in the first 3 nights I hit Beast Hunter/BG/Mayor. I also got Butcher and Safeguarder lynched, so I essentially beat the Village on my own. We had to play without TIWSS the whole game which wasn't easy. If moling was the sole criteria for playing well I'd agree with you, but it's not. Rehx brilliantly fakeclamed, but didn't even have to use actions the whole game. And while you might have saw through my generic fakeclaim, you got moled by two others, so your deduction of fakeclams are not exactly the stuff of legend. Spoiler I am biased obviously and there was probably a level of wanting to appease me in the award too, but I digress.[/HIDE] The only fakeclaim I expected to work was the FW. And it did.
TSO / I ran this game. I also made the Feral Wolf, Town Fool and Blacksmith's Son role PM. I think my major blip was not trying to get Rehx lynched - when he claimed "Doppelganger" to me, I know I could have him lynched if it came to it, but I didn't see much point. Hindsight is a huge prat.
TSO, how did you get Butcher and exterminated lynched? I'm pretty sure how that went was Rehx was beast so obv didn't care, you two were mafia, and I knew all that except thought Rehx was village, and so didn't offer resistance to those lynches on the other people. That was really everybody who could do something down, so yeah.
I didn't try to appease anyone in the awards. You were the only person who actually did your action every night and I thought you played really well. I also had the awards done before people started complaining. The Feral Wolf was a great idea, whom evers it was, and I kind of wish that it had been a role. Monsters got the best team because they were by far the best team. What do you guys want in part 2 of the post game?
You have a point but essentially everything also went wrong which could have: Safeguarder didn't safeguard, BG down n2, a possible addition in Beast Hunter n1 dead the cataclysmically bad KM007 draining the thread of anything resembling scumhunting with hyper-posting, no crossfire really, Mayor down n3, and there being 0 inactive Mafias, in contrast to at least 3 Town players. Worst of all were the multiple lynch skips, which were the equivalent of getting it up the ass with a tractor. You were UP, but it also went badly against you n nearly every way.
You could try player-by-player analysis, saying what they did, what they did well and badly, and how they could improve, and give them a rating out of 10. I've seen it in a good few postgames, it's a decent idea.
Just want to note the reason I stopped sending in my action was because I was under the assumption we had removed all potential action-based killers so I didn't see much point. The mechanic that killed TSO couldn't have been BG'ed against anyway if it was going with the conventional. One thing I do find weird is the Beast team mechanics. The Charizard role doesn't make much sense to me as it essentially requires both Beasts putting themselves in major danger just to kill anybody, and once the Beast had died, Charizard could essentially only sit there, fake claim, and hope for the damned best. I'm also a little irked with just how weird the Charizard role is - revenges every role which targets it, but also has pseudo-unkillable in that only one role in the entire game could actually night kill it? That's just insane.