[BW2] Wifi Ubers - Usage Stats of January 2013

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Ubers' started by Halsey, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. Halsey

    Halsey Wildstar

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    Unreliable T-dogg, I better ban Serp.

    Regular Stats
    # 1 - Kyogre (34.34 %)
    # 2 - Arceus (24.74 %)
    # 3 - Mewtwo (23.20 %)
    # 4 - Groudon (19.19 %)
    # 5 - Darkrai (16.99 %)
    # 6 - Ferrothorn (15.68 %)
    # 7 - Dialga (14.10 %)
    # 8 - Palkia (14.06 %)
    # 9 - Garchomp (13.97 %)
    # 10 - Forretress (13.92 %)
    # 11 - Lugia (13.71 %)
    # 12 - Rayquaza (13.09 %)
    # 13 - Excadrill (11.28 %)
    # 14 - Giratina-O (10.84 %)
    # 15 - Ho-Oh (10.39 %)
    # 16 - Tyranitar (10.33 %)
    # 17 - Arceus-Ghost (10.32 %)
    # 18 - Giratina (9.90 %)
    # 19 - Zekrom (9.06 %)
    # 20 - Deoxys-A (7.95 %)
    # 21 - Blaziken (7.70 %)
    # 22 - Genesect (7.64 %)
    # 23 - Kyurem-W (7.60 %)
    # 24 - Deoxys-S (7.33 %)
    # 25 - Latios (5.96 %)
    # 26 - Latias (5.88 %)
    # 27 - Scizor (5.29 %)
    # 28 - Kingdra (5.07 %)
    # 29 - Shaymin-S (5.06 %)
    # 30 - Politoed (4.71 %)
    # 31 - Reshiram (4.69 %)
    # 32 - Terrakion (4.47 %)
    # 33 - Dragonite (4.41 %)
    # 34 - Skarmory (4.20 %)
    # 35 - Tentacruel (4.12 %)
    # 36 - Chansey (4.04 %)
    # 37 - Cloyster (3.87 %)
    # 38 - Blissey (3.82 %)
    # 39 - Gliscor (3.72 %)
    # 40 - Gengar (3.70 %)

    Ranked Stats
    1 - Arceus 65.5601 108054
    2 - Kyogre 45.4711 74944
    3 - Mewtwo 27.8831 45956
    4 - Groudon 25.7074 42370
    5 - Ferrothorn 19.2826 31781
    6 - Palkia 18.8628 31089
    7 - Forretress 18.5169 30519
    8 - Dialga 18.4186 30357
    9 - Darkrai 17.6487 29088
    10 - Lugia 16.3958 27023
    11 - Rayquaza 15.1993 25051
    12 - Giratina-O 14.7024 24232
    13 - Ho-Oh 13.5089 22265
    14 - Excadrill 13.049 21507
    15 - Giratina 12.9447 21335
    16 - Deoxys-S 10.4316 17193
    17 - Deoxys-A 10.2684 16924
    18 - Genesect 10.2496 16893
    19 - Zekrom 9.68227 15958
    20 - Tyranitar 9.61493 15847
    21 - Kyurem-W 9.08767 14978
    22 - Garchomp 9.03307 14888
    23 - Latias 7.96703 13131
    24 - Latios 6.51572 10739
    25 - Shaymin-S 6.2433 10290
    26 - Terrakion 5.69481 9386
    27 - Blaziken 5.28951 8718
    28 - Chansey 5.11477 8430
    29 - Tentacruel 4.81444 7935
    30 - Skarmory 4.4862 7394
    31 - Reshiram 4.40853 7266
    32 - Kingdra 4.28901 7069
    33 - Espeon 4.18647 6900
    34 - Kabutops 3.85398 6352
    35 - Smeargle 3.8109 6281
    36 - Manaphy 3.71989 6131
    37 - Scizor 3.56578 5877
    38 - Cloyster 3.45839 5700
    39 - Jirachi 3.30306 5444
    40 - Thundurus 3.25635 5367

    First thing you might notice is Arceus ridiculous 65% usage in ranked stats. Well that is just a mistake because the usage stats count all the Arceus formes as one, hopefully this will get fixed soon to have more accurate ranked stats.

    Anyway discuss.
     
  2. DSM01

    DSM01 Jammin' out

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    Looking at the ranked stats, I'm surprised that Garchomp outranks Latias and also that Latias is at the bottom of the "true Ubers" list (you can see that usage takes a significant dip right after Garchomp/Latias and is primarily OUs). Together the Latis have respectable usage (14.5%), but I didn't think Latios would be so popular. Also, what's the deal with all the Scarf Mewtwos running around lately?
     
  3. Aurist

    Aurist I do not jump for joy. I frolic in doubt.

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    Latias is better in ubers than Latios by such a long way. Latios is definitely good but there are a plethora of other powerful dragon special attackers in Ubers, so I too am surprised how commonly used it is.

    Happy to see genesect get healthy usage, surprised at how low reshiram is.

    I feel sad that Arceus-Ghost is by far the most used non-Ekiller Arceus, to the point where you can't see any others on the non ranked list. There are so many really great Arceus besides that can easily fit into any team

    I feel like ubers should maybe be a special case in ranked stats with the sheer overwhelming numbers of people that run extremely random things in the tier, especially in low ladder, I feel like we'd get a much better idea of the tier if we raised ranked stats to something like 1050-1100.
     
  4. -Manaphy--

    -Manaphy-- Overconsumption

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    I'd say we'd have to raise it even more than that, maybe like 1200 or so, the sheer amount of players in Ubers just from people who don't know what EV's are is ridiculous compared to the other tiers.
    I'll bet a lot of Reshiram's players have moved to Kyurem-W (which is just..... ugh.)
     
  5. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Why don't more people use Electric Arceus? I'm serious, it's a great pokemon. Only 1 weakness, superb neutral coverage with BoltBeam, can't be tricked, great in Rain with 216 power Thunder, great in sun with its ability to check Ho-Oh and Kyogre. I know it has trouble with special walls, but normal Arceus has trouble with physical walls.
     
  6. DSM01

    DSM01 Jammin' out

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    Opportunity cost. By running Arceus-Electric you forfeit the option to use any other Arceus forme. Most people choose to use their Arceus slot on somthing like Extreme Killer or CM Ghostceus or support Grassceus. It's the same case with Arceus-Dragon—why waste your Arceus slot on that when there are so many other Dragon-type options that fill almost the same niche? Arceus-Electric is hurt by the fact that it can't easily muscle past Dialga, Latias, Excadrill, Tyranitar, and Reshiram like Ghostceus can. Ghostceus does have trouble with Ho-Oh, but so does every other CM Arceus aside from Electric and Rock. As far as CM Arceuses go, you usually need a very specific reason to not just slap a Ghostceus on your team, seeing how incredibly good it is.
     
  7. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    ExtremeKiller Arceus is overrated. Extremespeed is weak and hits NOTHING for super effective damage, and because normal moves get terrible coverage it has to run Brick Break and Shadow Claw, not allowing a moveslot for Recover, meaning it's quickly worn down. It also has no resistances at all, apart from a near useless Ghost immunity. Ghost, Dragon and Water Arceus do Swords Dance better IMO, since they have more powerful STABs. Ghostceus is a very versatile Pokemon, although it's crippled by status.

    Reasons to use CM Arceusus other than Ghost? Well not being a sheep is one. Dark and Steel can smash through stall teams almost by themselves. Fire and Water pack incredibly power in their respective weathers. Electric can easily sweep once the special walls are gone.

    ^So much this.
     
  8. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Extremekiller is not overrated at all. ExtremeSpeed may not hit much SE but with Claw and Break it has perfect neutral coverage and its excellent defences make it the great sweeper it is. And how the fuck does Tentacruel have less usage than shitty mon in Ubers like Scizor? I must be the only one using it, lol.

    P.S. How does Arceus-Electric take Sacred Fire from Ho-Oh in sun???
    P.P.S agreeing with raising up from 1000, 1100 - 1200 seems better.
     
  9. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    Read my post: you'll notice I said Check not Counter. After SR, Thunderbolt's a clean OHKO. It's not supposed to switch in - almost nothing can switch in on Ho-Oh's Sacred Fire in sun. Great bulk means little when you have no useful resistances - why do you think no one uses Ice Arceus? Ghost Arceus can run pretty much the same set, but with better offensive and defensive typing. It can also free up a slot for Recover, making it harder to wear down. I've seen some people try to do that with ExtremeKiller, and it just doesn't work. I know it's a good Pokemon, but people act like that's Arceus's best set, which it isn't.
     
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  10. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Actually it can and does work I'm pretty sure Manaphy got #1 with it in some RMT a good while ago
     
  11. -Manaphy--

    -Manaphy-- Overconsumption

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    Yes, Recover was actually pretty good in my opinion, I've actually several times set up to +6 against a Ferrothorn who seeded me and proceeded to sweep the team, and Recover had saved my ass quite a few times. Missing Brick Break/EQ kinda sucks but a lot of teams only run Forretress as their only Steel type nowadays.

    That being said, Extremekiller is pretty great, so great that forces every team to have to counter it in someway. My suggestion is that, don't you dare run WoW Giratina as your only way to stop it; you WILL miss and a lot of them run Lum.