[NOC] Secret Society Mafia (NOC): Game Over! Werewolves and 3rd Party win! (Postgame Pt. 1)

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  1. LördKX

    LördKX Archivist of Memories

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    Metal Sonic, please tell me what in mafia isn't a hypothetical. Technically anything could be a lie. And, as far as concrete things in mafia go, short of an inspector claiming and then flipping, I think I have bad play, subbing, bad play from the sub, meta to go off of which implicates scum, and set up speculation which indicates scum. You still haven't explain were I make any fallacies. Please, find me a single example were I say "ok, we should lynch this player, they are scum" while on a town lynch with the exception of the Archerknight lynch. Otherwise, I believe I always vote do to a need for a vote, approaching deadline etc, or on the Marcello. lynch, since so many people were convinced he was scum, and I wanted to see if I truly was wrong about everything.

    Also, on Not L, I can't find the exact posts, but I was one of the first people to say get him, he's scummy, I voted him a number of times, pressed for a lynch, etc. I believe they point were he had a burst in activity, headed the Archer lynch, and I was especially surprised by the shittiness of your posts was when I left him alone and shifted to you, Fege, and Michu around day 5 ish. Check before then for confirmation. And who have you voted anyway? That's another thing, maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't seem like you've been pushing or calling anybody scum much, aside from me, at least noticeably.

    Also, list the history of your society like everybody else has please?

    And one more thing, please tell me how any of the reasons you're pushing for my lynch are better then why I'm pushing for yours, aside from the whole I'm clean unless we have a bastard mod thing, and I have far more things? If you want me to quote some stuff, that's what your finding problems with, I'll read through the thread again, pull out those Not L quotes I mentioned, and prove what I say about you.
     
  2. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    Fallacy: "MS must be scum because our society started with scum"

    There is no evidence to support this whatsoever. Besides the fact that everyone views me as town, and that my substitute Latimaster claimed Villy which is generally accepted as villager, I believe you are on the wrong track.

    Evidence proves otherwise.

    ^defend yourself.

    Your hesitation caused us to No-Lynch for a day, and also caused Waehofen to be killed. Not like Wae is any PR, but the point still stands.
     
  3. BebbZ

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    It was announced that all inductions failed, that was it. Also MS, I /think/ you can ask HD for logs. I know that's a lot to read through but it had to happen the relevant night which wasn't so long and not very many logs happened, it's probably the most recent discussion if there are logs.
     
  4. BebbZ

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    I agree that that's absolutely no logic to go on. I've looked up how Mason's and the like usually work and it's randomised completely with the exception of no Mafia in one and WWs in the other. Therefore the bad luck that there was scum in one society is no evidence that there'd be scum in both. By that logic IFM would also be scum for being the only? living member of his society left. (Not sure that's right I haven't really kept up with who was where when.)
     
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    Also if it was true that there's scum in every society, that'd incriminate IFM, not MS. TIWSS has already flipped as scum from the starting members of the Freemasons.
     
  6. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    ^Wasn't TIWSS inducted n1? IDK but that makes sense too
     
  7. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    TIWSS wasn't a starting member.
     
  8. LördKX

    LördKX Archivist of Memories

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    Lati Votes: No Vote D1
    Latis shitposts, did absolutely nothing, claimed VT. Highly different from his Worlds play, standard server play is to claim VT if you're scum.

    Metal posts: First post says somebody (IFM) being wagoned is scummyish, say they can't provide reasoning for anything

    randomly lynches another person (SS) no reasoning

    Says water scummy for following him on IFM lynch

    Water is definately scum, votes, goes of topics analysing, doesn't explain well

    Says IFM is scummy and/cause pressed for Jiggles lynch

    God Damn michu your play is horrible, you should be so glad this is a game of nubes

    Lol Never made a wae analysis

    responds to IFM, admits to sheeping, says Water is scummy for voting with himself?

    Vote on Water

    Votes MeowMix

    Sheeps TSO (WW)

    Hammers MeowMix (in his mind?)

    Ends day on MeowMix with Not L

    Wae is scummy, no reason, 36

    Votes Not L

    MeowMix is scum

    Waehofen is telling the truth, Not L and TIWSS are scum, annnnnd Waehofen himself is scum. Legit.

    Water is scum again

    LordKX, Water, Waehofen, and Fegelein are the new scum.

    Says IFM is scum because his society doesn't clean them of Mafia or Werewolf, respectively, like mine and his have.

    Also, a whole, whole ton of BS, and worthless stuff in between the different points.

    Now, all the places I attack Not L, and the context:
    IFM places first vote on Not L, and shortly after:
    just starting at this point
    Reiterate this, looking back, never removes his, just found other people better.
    day of the Not L vote which "failed" because of me, one of the first lynches
    me putting him at L-1 the day of his lynch

    After MS's bullshit following the Archer lynch, I prioritize him as a better lynch then Not L. I don't think I ever say Not L is village.

    TLDR, everything about MS is bullshit, from his cases, to his reads, to his play in general. How can nobody see this?
     
  9. LördKX

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    Formatting sucks, but what can I say, I'm tired, fuck you, get MS. He's a hypocrite, playing horribly, and attacking somebody we can pretty much guarantee to be VT over, it seems, nothing but OMGUS. Die Metal, please.
     
  10. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    ^gotta give this guy props for reading 50 pages

    sadly for you i will debunk your argument in 5 minutes(again)
     
  11. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    ^you know Kx could be village instead of scum now that I think of it, like "Wrong town" instead of scum, but hey possibilities
     
  12. BebbZ

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    Was TIWSS inducted n1? My bad. I'll let MS talk of our society from the start until I joined/assumed leadership then.
     
  13. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    So are you going to debunk it?
     
  14. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    Also MS please give the society actions, though I am not entirely sure if we can trust him on it since he has already proven to be mistaken once.
     
  15. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    well uh I was debunking it 5 minutes ago when google chrome crashed and deleted my wall of text(it took more than 5 minutes. guess I took too long). oh well.



    I am certain I did that in 5 minutes
     
  16. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    Fucking hypocrisy, you followed him on each and every MIS-lynch!



    ^



    Also where the fuck is the said "analysis"? Waehofen is alreayd dead and I don't think you conjured your "analysis" yet
     
  17. LördKX

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    Congratz, you have one quote, which, while not true now, was true at the time, one quote were I say Not L is a bad lynch target at the time, no even saying he's clean, or should never be lynched, please check the context, one quote which is meaningless? one quote were you blame me for trying to prevent no lynches on days past, and were I say Waehofen could be scum (as far as I know, he was a proponent in most lynches while, with the exception of the Archer lynch, I didn't believe in the lynch) and one were MeowMix asks why I'm dissing his theory (the theory was ???) and why I'm going after you, a "VT." Well, let's face it, currently we have four claimed VTs, and one of them is scum, so let's see how much that claim means. Also, considering you have no context at all, and only swear a bit in between posts, it's really hard to see what any of them prove. Anyway, yeah, either scum, or I really, really don't want to see you in lylo. Btw, closing note, you have an entire thread, and you can find one post that really looks bad, and that post's point has been completely dis proven both by set up speculation and fact checking. Just saying, it seems like you went through the entire thread, pulled out the things which looked the worst in context, and couldn't find anything. Also, if you're best argument for not being scum is "my sub claimed VT after uncharacteristically lurking" then why are you still even in the game?
     
  18. LördKX

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    Also, for the Waehofen analysis, yeah, I never got it done, so? It would probably either caused a lynch on him or have not really done much. And, since he was a Townie, my not creating it makes little sense as scum. What makes more sense is that I remained the lazy fuck you all know and love. Just saying MS, seems like you're grasping at straws. Oh yeah, and as a final note, since a person who flipped village, and so has no reason to lie, confirmed I'm not a werewolf, even if I were scum, I'm be a mafia, and based on balance issues, that means we can assume there are two more werewolves. If I were to be lynched today, it would mean werewolves, not town, win, and the only way for a town victory is if you lynched a WW today. In other words, no matter what I'm a bad lynch, and MS's attempts to discredit me have crossed the borderline to become pathetic.
     
  19. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    ms please discuss the other players in this game. what do you think about bebbz and IFM and me? I would prefer in-depth opinions? who do you think we should lynch? why? why has your activity in this game differed from the smogon game?
     
  20. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    Hi KX

    I had a lot more posts which I done in 15+ minutes(woops) but google chrome crashed so fuck that.



    Hi Michu
    I think IFM should be lynched(or bebbz); IFM has been on peoples' watchlist on quite some time, and to be honest I find it weird that we are ended up with IFM and Bebbz for villies. I mean, for some reason I have the gut feel that IFM is not playing right and since we are all villagers it could not hurt too much to vote out. Bebbz is in my society so apparently I am biased towards him, sorry.

    I think michu is kool

    My activity in this game is different from the smogon game because #1 This game has PRs the smogon game was vanilla, #2 Going #1 scumhunter is inappriopriate at this point in time #3 I believe my "activity level" has been quite similar to the smogon game, I check every day haha #4 I like to mix up my style a bit ;)



    And KX is acting really fucking weird this game do any of you realise
    would somebody care to meta(since you guys played more games with him than with me)
     
  21. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    o ya has anyone seen meowmix i love that cat
     
  22. LördKX

    LördKX Archivist of Memories

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    Can we just lynch somebody? This game is starting to stagnate, we have three choices, two lynches, 66% chance to win. Even if we mislynch now, we go to mylo. Idk about you, but the last thing I want in mylo is MS, and considering his actions, the person he subbed for, and placement, I think he's a very good choice for scum. IFM is acting pretty normal for him, and I haven't noticed anything about BebbZ, so yeah.
     
  23. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    MS is the best mylo player because he is the #1 scumhunter!(never mislynched once this game)

    Kx is the worst mylo player because he never gets his lynches right(mislynched on the town bandwagon with a success rate of 100%)

    Michu views pl0x we love michu the supervoter
     
  24. LördKX

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    Tbf, I've been on literally every wagon. Of those wagons I've been on that I actually believed in, I have a 66% scum hit rate, and I don't think anybody can blame us for Archer. Compared to you, who's only been on a single wagon. If you don't try at all, you can't exactly call yourself perfect. It's like only playing chess against retards, and then claiming you have a 100% win rate and so you're good. Also, nice #1 scum hunting, glad you pointed out Water to us all. Oh wait. And MeowMix, that was . . . nevermind. But hey, what about IFM! They could still be scum! But yeah, you seem to have left that long ago. Or Waehofen! He was totally a townie. Or me! Not like I'm clean or anything. And Fegelein flipped scum, didn't he? Well, at least you called Not L and TIWSS scum correctly! Except that's actually what Waehofen said that you just copied, and then you completely dropped the later while only pursuing the former when everybody else joined. So yeah, nice #1 scumhunter we got here.
     
  25. LördKX

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    Um, HD, isn't this like our last day or something? Seriously guys, we should find a lynch, we're getting nothing done like this.
     
  26. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    deadline 29
     
  27. LördKX

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    Oh cool, nevermind, I thought it was the 27th, we've actually got until the 29th. But still, seeing as how we've got bankable deadlines, and if we mess this up, we'll go into mylo, so me might want to save time for that, especially if we're doing nothing with the time now.
     
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    Btw, everybody thoughts on the lynch? currently I really think the scum is Metal. If it's not him, honestly I have no clue, but I'd probably go IFM based upon the deceased Meow's suspicion.
     
  29. IFM

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    Well from my point of view either Bebbz or Metal has to be scum so I would be fine with voting either. It does seem like Bebbz has been playing extremely passive this day, but considering the inconcistencies of Metal and the fact that he still hasnt produced a list of actions by his society I think it he would be a better vote at this point. I still really dont like the thing with Bebbz inductions but that can be discussed later on the off chance that Metal isnt the final scum.

    Not going to vote yet as we still have a bit more time and Id like to here Jalmknts final opinion about today so far.
     
  30. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    My final argument for Jalmont:

    Read: More Cowbell



    that is all
     
  31. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    Deadline is in around 24 hours. We really need to make a decision.
     
  32. LördKX

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    Well, MS is my decision. In the end, it's really up to Jalmont though. Everybody should start casting serious votes, since at this point nothing is worse than a no-lynch.
     
  33. Jalmont

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    I feel like Bebbz has really slid under the radar today, he hasn't made any real effort to disprove allegations of being mafia. I do feel as if MS was similar but imo he did put some effort in his posts. At this point while I can't rule him out, I'd prefer a Bebbz vote (who hasn't really helped discuss today's lynch at all). I'll probably vote him in a couple hours.

    As long as IFM protects me tonight we should be good for lylo (me IFM MS likely)
     
  34. LördKX

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    tbf, nobody aside from me has really been doing anything. And Michu, should that be the lylo, who would you probably vote?
     
  35. Jalmont

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    At the beginning of this day I would've said IFM, but after today Metal Sonic most definetely
     
  36. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    We need three people to do the protect and we have only two right now :/
     
  37. Jalmont

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    IFM are you mafia? Why would you disclose that?
     
  38. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    Because it had already been stated earlier in the thread.
     
  39. Metal Sonic

    Metal Sonic It's no use!

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    I see no link


    when its voting time tell me
     
  40. Jalmont

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    I am unsure why we would want to let the mafia know that again (or at least remind them) but w/e. Where exactly was that stated?